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InvisibleConservationist
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Are humanists the new Flat Earth Society?
    #9952491 - 03/11/09 03:46 PM (15 years, 21 days ago)

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Underneath all of humanity's problems, there's a religious assumption that human individuals should be able to make any decision they want and not suffer the consequences of nature, or smarter people critiquing them. This assumption is ignorance on the level of "flat earth" ideologies.

Are humanists the new flat earthers?





Sounds right to me -- I'm tired of all the fear.


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Re: Are humanists the new Flat Earth Society? [Re: Conservationist]
    #9952739 - 03/11/09 04:30 PM (15 years, 21 days ago)

WTF? That's the worst article I've read all day.

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Humanism: the idea that humans are more important than reality.


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I am going to show you that humanism, which becomes the idea that each human has an inalienable right to live however they want free from criticism by the rest,


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Humanism, or humans come first, is interpreted through the individual in a kind of utilitarian-individualism hybrid




How come the author's definition of humanism is so different from all the definitions I've heard?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanism
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Humanism is a broad category of ethical philosophies that affirm the dignity and worth of all people, based on the ability to determine right and wrong by appealing to universal human qualities, particularly rationality, without resorting to the supernatural or alleged divine authority from religious texts.




Humanism isn't about humans coming first over nature. It's about humans coming first over God.


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Re: Are humanists the new Flat Earth Society? [Re: Conservationist]
    #9952742 - 03/11/09 04:31 PM (15 years, 21 days ago)

This should be moved to P&S.:satansmoking:


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Re: Are humanists the new Flat Earth Society? [Re: Icelander]
    #9953164 - 03/11/09 05:35 PM (15 years, 21 days ago)

that would be wonderful

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Re: Are humanists the new Flat Earth Society? (moved) [Re: Conservationist]
    #9953398 - 03/11/09 06:09 PM (15 years, 21 days ago)

This thread was moved from Political Discussion.

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This is P&S material.

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InvisibleCameron
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Re: Are humanists the new Flat Earth Society? (moved) [Re: Conservationist]
    #9953532 - 03/11/09 06:29 PM (15 years, 21 days ago)

Zouden's spot on. Humanism is about rationality and equality. It's about solving human problems through human mediums -- no supernatural solutions required.

I don't see many failings in that school of thought: failure to include a wider array of equally important organisms being one. But I guess we couldn't call it 'Humanism' if it recognized bumblebees, worms, and trees.

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Re: Are humanists the new Flat Earth Society? (moved) [Re: Cameron]
    #9959479 - 03/12/09 04:59 PM (15 years, 20 days ago)

Vote Republican!

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OfflineMan Unkind
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Re: Are humanists the new Flat Earth Society? (moved) [Re: Luddite]
    #9960561 - 03/12/09 07:20 PM (15 years, 20 days ago)

Sounds like a gross misunderstanding of humanism, Zouden was right.

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Re: Are humanists the new Flat Earth Society? (moved) [Re: Luddite]
    #9960595 - 03/12/09 07:25 PM (15 years, 20 days ago)

I think teh article is talking about something other than humanism.. namely, the notion that all people are actually rational


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Re: Are humanists the new Flat Earth Society? (moved) [Re: Luddite]
    #9963830 - 03/13/09 09:18 AM (15 years, 19 days ago)

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Luddite said:
Vote Republican!





Who left the cage door open again?:monkeydance:


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Re: Are humanists the new Flat Earth Society? (moved) [Re: Icelander]
    #9966254 - 03/13/09 06:10 PM (15 years, 19 days ago)

I'm a humanist and I don't believe this makes you less intellegent or less aware of the situation we are caught up in. I do believe man is good. If anything, we need more humanists. More people devoted the the soul and spirit of man so we can finally once and for all get rid of history and live in heaven finally on earth.


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Re: Are humanists the new Flat Earth Society? (moved) [Re: Omegachrist]
    #9966338 - 03/13/09 06:35 PM (15 years, 19 days ago)

Author of article misunderstands humanism


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Re: Are humanists the new Flat Earth Society? [Re: Conservationist]
    #9974425 - 03/15/09 01:21 AM (15 years, 18 days ago)

I see Humanists as a complex group, With a diverse ideology.  In psychology a humanist believes in healing without drugs, including shrooms.  This article gets a little lost in it's thought process.

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Re: Are humanists the new Flat Earth Society? [Re: C.M. Mann]
    #9974918 - 03/15/09 03:45 AM (15 years, 18 days ago)

I think the article makes a good argument, though, as long as you ignore his alleged misuse of the word humanism. And why can't he use the word humanism in a new way? Language is always evolving. Old definitions can become archaic, new definitions to old words can arise, and all other sorts of fun things. The word humanism, when you just look at the word and not just its current definition, fits his idea well in the sense that he is describing a human-centric view towards life.

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Re: Are humanists the new Flat Earth Society? [Re: iamconfused]
    #9975052 - 03/15/09 05:23 AM (15 years, 18 days ago)

How can the word 'humanism' be archaic when it dates from the 20th century?

>when you just look at the word and not just its current definition, fits his idea well in the sense that he is describing a human-centric view towards life.

Then he should have picked a different word!


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I know... that just the smallest
                                                part of the world belongs to me
You know... I'm not a blind man
                                                    but truth is the hardest thing to see

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Re: Are humanists the new Flat Earth Society? [Re: zouden]
    #9975211 - 03/15/09 07:24 AM (15 years, 17 days ago)

Don't trust anyone elses opinion, at least, trust terence mckenna. He thought humanist meant( from what Whitehead wrote) that if you are a humanist you support and are proud to be a human. You can be a tripper humanist or a sober humanist, what matters is how you represent your humaness to the world and how it positively changes the world around you.


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