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Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" * 1
    #9966184 - 03/13/09 05:53 PM (15 years, 9 days ago)

I'm watching this. Check it out if you're interested.

It's good to be open-minded to what could be going on.

I don't know, I don't believe it, but anything's possible.

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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: mathewww] * 1
    #9966205 - 03/13/09 05:57 PM (15 years, 9 days ago)

yea, it won't seem to work for me.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Omegachrist] * 1
    #9966221 - 03/13/09 06:01 PM (15 years, 9 days ago)

i just watched this last night. it was pretty interesting. I hope this isnt true but its hard to deny. it is allways good to be open minded but this is something to keep in mind.

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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: mathewww] * 1
    #9966256 - 03/13/09 06:11 PM (15 years, 9 days ago)

Care to summarize for me?


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: DragonChaser] * 1
    #9966311 - 03/13/09 06:29 PM (15 years, 9 days ago)

video isn't workin for me


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: DragonChaser] * 1
    #9966325 - 03/13/09 06:32 PM (15 years, 9 days ago)

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DragonChaser said:
Care to summarize for me?




I haven't seen it but I'll take a stab:
    more :tinfoil: BS

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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: antiPock] * 1
    #9966423 - 03/13/09 06:55 PM (15 years, 9 days ago)

Fuck Alex Jones.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: WakeboardrB] * 1
    #9966490 - 03/13/09 07:08 PM (15 years, 9 days ago)

Alex Jones posts on here every once in a while.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: WakeboardrB] * 1
    #9966499 - 03/13/09 07:11 PM (15 years, 9 days ago)

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WakeboardrB said:
Fuck Alex Jones.




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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: DragonChaser] * 1
    #9966515 - 03/13/09 07:13 PM (15 years, 9 days ago)

Try this



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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: FurrowedBrow] * 1
    #9966528 - 03/13/09 07:17 PM (15 years, 9 days ago)

I just finished watching the entire movie, and found this post. Weird. I haven't had a chance to verify all the facts yet, but a lot of what he talks about is common knowledge. Obama has changed stances more than Pamela Anderson has bra size. I always try and watch Alex Jone's movies with a critical eye, but the man talks a lot of sense when it's not about religion. Check it out for yourself and look up the facts.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Jawofmalak] * 1
    #9967595 - 03/13/09 10:53 PM (15 years, 9 days ago)

i just watched the film.  It was pretty good.  I am going to watch it again sometime this weekend.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: FurrowedBrow] * 1
    #9967915 - 03/14/09 12:06 AM (15 years, 9 days ago)

I haven't watched this film, but I'll take it with an obligatory grain of salt as this is a work of Alex Jones.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Deekay] * 1
    #9968110 - 03/14/09 01:04 AM (15 years, 8 days ago)

I watched the first part. Thought the interviews were really interesting, and I actually agreed with most of them...

But I find Alex Jones to be more detrimental than helpful. The way he puts a conspiracy behind the whole thing just puts me off. I find he'll make some good statements on globalism, and the state of things... and then he goes off the deep end.

Really, I found his characterizations of Bush to be way off (and believe, I was/am a "Bush basher"), and same with Obama (I'll have to watch the rest just to be sure). I've yet to make up my mind on Obama, but I doubt he's this behind a scheme to install a dictatorship across the world.

Still, I'd agree with the statement that the American government has been active trying to instill it's vision in the interest's in other countries. Obviously, all countries do this, but I'm speaking about beyond reasonable interests.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: WakeboardrB] * 1
    #9968347 - 03/14/09 02:11 AM (15 years, 8 days ago)

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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: walzmanm] * 1
    #9968725 - 03/14/09 04:49 AM (15 years, 8 days ago)

Why Fuck Alex Jones? Watch the video..... do your research and then say Fuck Alex Jones if you find out that he is lying...... if not shut the fuck up

In the words of Chris Rock

"Be a fucking person. Listen. Let it swirl around your head. Then form your opinion."

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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: weefunker] * 1
    #9968781 - 03/14/09 05:35 AM (15 years, 8 days ago)

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weefunker said:
Why Fuck Alex Jones? Watch the video..... do your research and then say Fuck Alex Jones if you find out that he is lying...... if not shut the fuck up

In the words of Chris Rock

"Be a fucking person. Listen. Let it swirl around your head. Then form your opinion."





I agree completely.

Why close your mind to anything?


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: mathewww] * 1
    #9969090 - 03/14/09 08:00 AM (15 years, 8 days ago)

anyone else think that Joe Rogen looked really strung out in his interview?


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Gr33nTree73] * 1
    #9969130 - 03/14/09 08:14 AM (15 years, 8 days ago)

Yea he was probably high as giraffe pussy

Joe Rogan = Legen ..... wait for it... DARY

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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: weefunker] * 1
    #9969221 - 03/14/09 08:50 AM (15 years, 8 days ago)

fuck chris rock


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: weefunker]
    #9969225 - 03/14/09 08:51 AM (15 years, 8 days ago)

So i watched the movie.

As usual im skeptical of anything with even the slightest mention of Alex Jones but i found this one to be a little less tinfoil. It is still coming from way out in left field but i think less than his other movie, endgame or whatever.

All and all, it was an alright watch.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #9969340 - 03/14/09 09:25 AM (15 years, 8 days ago)

i watched a little of it, 2 hours of a youtube movie is a little tough being a working man, but I will watch it eventually.

This is how I feel:
Obama is another corporate shell at the capalist gangbang. There is someone behind the curtains pushing the buttons and running the show. There is no hope in a guy, especially in a guy who ran for president. Our hope, our savior(if any) lies in the people, each and every person. If we wanted we could change this world RIGHT NOW! We just need to step up to the plate and join together like the vietnam war. I'm trying to get people together but one person calling forth MILLIONS is a little tough, though, Jesus did it, so why can't I?

I don't want to live in this world with this fucking AMerican bull shit. REVOLT!


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #9970087 - 03/14/09 12:19 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

ill give you that one he is a cunt  :mafioso:

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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Omegachrist]
    #9970160 - 03/14/09 12:32 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

i assumed just about all this shit once i saw obama running for prez.  i cant believe the idea of obama being a "trojan horse" is actualy news for people.  sometimes i realy wish i could just be another mindless sheep.  id proly suffer alot less.  :sheepie:


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: DeadPhan]
    #9970295 - 03/14/09 12:59 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

:rofl2: @ those who just said "fuck alex jones"

yeah don't try to disprove his ideas or give a reason why he may be wrong..
"fuck alex jones" should be enough to show that you are so much smarter than alex or anybody who believes him.
sure, you could research the articles and news yourself, but that would take time away from jerking off to pictures of badgers' assholes.
plus, you may end up being wrong and looking like a dumbass..


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: ntrdmnsnl]
    #9970319 - 03/14/09 01:03 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

o hai fanboi :hippie:


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #9970566 - 03/14/09 01:46 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

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b0red5tiff said:
o hai fanboi :hippie:




Yeah,our leaders are up to great things ,they spend all thier time making this a better place ...can`t you tell.:doggystyle:


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: mathewww]
    #9970602 - 03/14/09 01:56 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

I thought it was an amazing video. Good facts in there reguardless.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Kada]
    #9970651 - 03/14/09 02:04 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

alex jones is a crazy kook. i might watch the video later and form an opinion about it specifically...but seriously....it's hard to take anything seriously coming from him.

and before you start bashing, yeah, i've listened to his show. my grandpa is f'ing obsessed with him. not EVERYTHING he says is crazy...but the guy as a whole is off the deep end.

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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: JT]
    #9971027 - 03/14/09 03:17 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

Yes, it is all lies. the state only wants what is best for you. That is why slowly and surely they take away your rights and liberties, to protect you from yourself. Thank God for such wise and all knowing men of moral valor! We are safe in their hands! Just go back to your American Idol, they'll take care of everything.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: weefunker]
    #9971074 - 03/14/09 03:25 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

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weefunker said:
Yea he was probably high as giraffe pussy




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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Jawofmalak]
    #9971090 - 03/14/09 03:28 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

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Jawofmalak said:
Yes, it is all lies. the state only wants what is best for you. That is why slowly and surely they take away your rights and liberties, to protect you from yourself. Thank God for such wise and all knowing men of moral valor! We are safe in their hands! Just go back to your American Idol, they'll take care of everything.




There's such a thing as middle ground.

I didn't see justinthyme saying anything about how great our government is...


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Jawofmalak]
    #9971097 - 03/14/09 03:29 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

its times like this i realy wish Bill Hicks was still alive


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: DeadPhan]
    #9971126 - 03/14/09 03:35 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

ive got to admit tho....i realy dig the fact that Alex Jones brings alota things to light and puts it out there....but his whole demeanor i dont think helps his cause in alota ways.  he acts like those hyperactive infomercial people.  the way he narrates his programs with such a dark kinda voice.  its all just so like amped up and dramatic.  just kinda throws me off.  but he does dish out alota facts so props to that.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: DeadPhan]
    #9971184 - 03/14/09 03:49 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

I think he's theatrical. Visually speaking, The Obama Deception was more pretty visually stunning considering the budget Alex was working with. And there tends to be a lot of truth in his works when he's not talking about secret religious societies. And he goes out of his way to consistently show that what he says is documented. you can't go through a single one of his documentaries without him citing dozens of different sources.

All in all I thought the Obama Deception was decent. I thought it was a little too soon, but hey, it was informative.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: mathewww]
    #9971188 - 03/14/09 03:50 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

Can anyone summarize its points?  I don't want to waste an hour of my life(or even a minute) listening to Alex Jones' paranoid drivel.  Let me guess:  He tries to claim Obama's not an American citizen and that he's a puppet for the moneyed interests who was installed by election fraud and intends to enslave humanity.  Am I close?


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Silversoul]
    #9971224 - 03/14/09 03:57 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

Actually he completely avoids talking about either of those points. He himself thinks that those arguments are just there to stifle real debate about his policies. he talks mostly policy issues.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: DragonChaser]
    #9971426 - 03/14/09 04:32 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

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DragonChaser said:
Care to summarize for me?






Watch from 5:43 onwards, that sums it up. The president might change, but it's still the same agenda.

Later on the film goes to talk about global warming being used to usher in carbon taxes, how the IMF once it bankrupts a nation, takes it over, and how the global depression has been designed to make us all indebted to the banksters.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: wildchild68]
    #9971584 - 03/14/09 04:53 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

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Quote:

Jawofmalak said:
Yes, it is all lies. the state only wants what is best for you. That is why slowly and surely they take away your rights and liberties, to protect you from yourself. Thank God for such wise and all knowing men of moral valor! We are safe in their hands! Just go back to your American Idol, they'll take care of everything.




There's such a thing as middle ground.

I didn't see justinthyme saying anything about how great our government is...




exactly. thank you.

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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #9971823 - 03/14/09 05:30 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

So basically, it's not even about Obama.  It's about the globalist banking powers who are in control regardless of who's president.  An unfalsifiable assumption, it seems to me.  Alex Jones can simply declare any president to be a puppet of the global elite simply by virtue of him being president.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Silversoul]
    #9972710 - 03/14/09 08:00 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

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So basically, it's not even about Obama.  It's about the globalist banking powers who are in control regardless of who's president.  An unfalsifiable assumption, it seems to me.  Alex Jones can simply declare any president to be a puppet of the global elite simply by virtue of him being president.




its not only about obama.  but it has to do with the hype behind obama.  did you not see the past election?  they hype behind obama?  people crying and rejoicing more than any election probaly ever.  people feeling like they realy had a part in this new "change"?  the title of the film is, "The Obama Deception".  granted....its not focused mainly on obama.  but where as with GW they tried the tactic of getting most of us to string along with his decisions because they instilled fear in us and we caught on to it and they realized we were catching on, so they figure, ok, lets put a politically correct, well spoken black man in office.  people will eat it up and think they are still the ones apointing the people that will make decisions for them.  so yea, its about "The Obama Deception".  not necesarily all about who Obama is, but more about why they chose him.  they do look into some of his background and stuff but more to point out how preposterous it is to think hes realy "Commander In Chief" and running the country.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: DeadPhan]
    #9972990 - 03/14/09 08:45 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

Yeah, except that Alex Jones is full of shit and Obama's decision to run was entirely his own.  No one "chose" him except the voters.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: DeadPhan]
    #9972995 - 03/14/09 08:47 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

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So basically, it's not even about Obama.  It's about the globalist banking powers who are in control regardless of who's president.  An unfalsifiable assumption, it seems to me.  Alex Jones can simply declare any president to be a puppet of the global elite simply by virtue of him being president.




its not only about obama.  but it has to do with the hype behind obama.  did you not see the past election?  they hype behind obama?  people crying and rejoicing more than any election probaly ever.  people feeling like they realy had a part in this new "change"?  the title of the film is, "The Obama Deception".  granted....its not focused mainly on obama.  but where as with GW they tried the tactic of getting most of us to string along with his decisions because they instilled fear in us and we caught on to it and they realized we were catching on, so they figure, ok, lets put a politically correct, well spoken black man in office.  people will eat it up and think they are still the ones apointing the people that will make decisions for them.  so yea, its about "The Obama Deception".  not necesarily all about who Obama is, but more about why they chose him.  they do look into some of his background and stuff but more to point out how preposterous it is to think hes realy "Commander In Chief" and running the country.




You can't have it both ways.

Either Bush was an "NWO" plant who put forth policies to further their agenda or Obama is an NWO plant who will do the same.  But they have pursued radically different agendas, so to say they're both working for the same groups is a little silly.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #9973003 - 03/14/09 08:49 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

I'd also like to add that people make a huge deal over nothing when someone says "new world order."  New world order means exactly that:  a world order that is different from the old world order.  I certainly would support a change in the world order.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #9973005 - 03/14/09 08:49 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

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So basically, it's not even about Obama.  It's about the globalist banking powers who are in control regardless of who's president.  An unfalsifiable assumption, it seems to me.  Alex Jones can simply declare any president to be a puppet of the global elite simply by virtue of him being president.




its not only about obama.  but it has to do with the hype behind obama.  did you not see the past election?  they hype behind obama?  people crying and rejoicing more than any election probaly ever.  people feeling like they realy had a part in this new "change"?  the title of the film is, "The Obama Deception".  granted....its not focused mainly on obama.  but where as with GW they tried the tactic of getting most of us to string along with his decisions because they instilled fear in us and we caught on to it and they realized we were catching on, so they figure, ok, lets put a politically correct, well spoken black man in office.  people will eat it up and think they are still the ones apointing the people that will make decisions for them.  so yea, its about "The Obama Deception".  not necesarily all about who Obama is, but more about why they chose him.  they do look into some of his background and stuff but more to point out how preposterous it is to think hes realy "Commander In Chief" and running the country.




You can't have it both ways.

Either Bush was an "NWO" plant who put forth policies to further their agenda or Obama is an NWO plant who will do the same.  But they have pursued radically different agendas, so to say they're both working for the same groups is a little silly.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: The_Ghost]
    #9973128 - 03/14/09 09:24 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

Yes, I'm aware you believe this, I'm saying it's illogical.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #9973241 - 03/14/09 09:49 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

It`s not like it is a secret who runs the show.......oil/pharms/banks....all presidents conform to those powers...shure we elect a new figurehead......but the ones that pull the strings have not changed.


    It is very apparent in the laws and documented court cases where these entities were protected time after time.
The entire network is connected in one way or another,look at all the laws in place to protect these big 3. 

  The only reason these ideas can be portrayed as conspiracy is because of the level people are informed ,which is very low,mostly rumors and he said ,she said bullshit....very few people stay informed enuff to see these big 3 at work,those who do believe its a conspiracy is because they simply have never heard of it and that means its been covered up...:nonono:


  NWO is 30 years old and has been used by thousands of people,now its common information that people can feed off of,we never knew before this before ,soo it must be a cover up or conspiracy.
Lack of knowledge is no grounds for conspiracy.

    Having said that ,I like Alex jones,hes a loon ,but his info is usually correct ,not his opinions ,his valid data.I like the way he creates a air of doom and conspiracy around his topics..........:rofl2:


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: unretarded]
    #9973257 - 03/14/09 09:52 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

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Is that why huge banks are failing and oil prices have plummeted to the lowest price in years?

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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: mathewww]
    #9973258 - 03/14/09 09:52 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

I made it through the first 10 minutes of randomly strung together film splices, and sound bites, then turned it off.

It's setup is absurdly paranoid. And I can't sit through anything that ridiculous.

LOL, If Alex Jones thinks he's the Micheal Moore of the Right, he needs to think again.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Silversoul]
    #9973438 - 03/14/09 10:13 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

I don't know if I will watch it but for anyone that has seen this:

Is there any interesting info on Obama ? Curious if this film has good points on Obama. 

Honestly I am starting to get very negative vibes from Obama- I think he is possible going to fuck over wealthy people and start socializing everything. I'm a little nervous to be honest.  He also seems like he his still campaigning instead of actually getting anything done.  And I think the stimulus package is fucking retarded.

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    #9973447 - 03/14/09 10:14 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

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Is that why huge banks are failing and oil prices have plummeted to the lowest price in years?



Thats another side to the coin.We the people pulled that one off all on our own ,well with a little loan anyway;)
Speculation and greed I would say is the main problems that caused that.
They may be in trouble ,but look at all the help they get,along with the biggest consumers of 2 of those....cars....They use lots of oil and make up a good percentage of the loans.
  Oil and banks have been pulling these stunts for years and its alway worse this time than the last.
    There is no conspiracy ,thats just the way it works.
All available resources will be drained to keep those 2 alive.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: unretarded]
    #9973984 - 03/14/09 11:49 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

Yes, but why does that imply they are pulling the strings?
You could easily phrase this as: The government is going to save corporations which are integral to the country (banks) and by virtue of that, car manufacturers.
Born of importance, not of ulterior motives.

The government is going to try and solve the problem, and in order to do so, they're going to have to make choices on what will work, and how they can use as little money as possible to accomplish the goal.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Kickle]
    #9974000 - 03/14/09 11:53 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

I would say that if anything there is a conspiracy of ignorance.  Obama's not trust advice from people who think too much outside the box, so the solutions he implements are going to be conventional ones supported by mainstream economists, who unwittingly serve the interests of the banking elite, who helped shape economic theory.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Silversoul]
    #9974233 - 03/15/09 12:36 AM (15 years, 8 days ago)

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I would say that if anything there is a conspiracy of ignorance.  Obama's not trust advice from people who think too much outside the box, so the solutions he implements are going to be conventional ones supported by mainstream economists, who unwittingly serve the interests of the banking elite, who helped shape economic theory.



QFT


  Thats where the conspiracy stems from ,people are quick to think if they dont know ,its being covered up,when the facts are they simply just did not know or understand.


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    #9974324 - 03/15/09 01:00 AM (15 years, 7 days ago)

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and how the global depression has been designed to make us all indebted to the banksters.




This is why I don't like Alex Jones.

Everything that occurs in the world is the result of a scheme where someone is in control.

What has occurred in the global depression is the result of very sophisticated economics.

The thing is, bankers hate the idea of people staying in debt to them. The banks hate the fact that people aren't able to pay back their mortgages. It means they don't get the money that they lent, back. This puts a strain on the interest rates and forces them to be so high that nobody wants to borrow money (interest rates often are based on how risky the loan so that there is a reward for the bank taking a chance).

Really, what's going on is making things worse for the wealthy. The value of currency is depreciating, which makes all these wealthy guys lose value in all that money that they have.

Not only that, but being in debt to a bank is meaningless if nobody has any money. The money becomes worthless. So the idea that there is a grand scheme to make everyone but a select few in debt is just absurd.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Twirling]
    #9974348 - 03/15/09 01:04 AM (15 years, 7 days ago)

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The thing is, bankers hate the idea of people staying in debt to them.



Well, sort of.  Bankers hate when a bunch of people aren't able to pay off their loans.  Though if some people default on their mortgage, the bank gets the house, so it's not that big a loss.  But if everyone paid off their debt, we'd be fucked.  You know why?  Because our money is created by debt.  No debt = no money

Nonetheless, you are basically correct that this crisis is not at all in the interest of the banks.  However, solving the problem in the long term would mean really going against the banks' interests.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Silversoul]
    #9974429 - 03/15/09 01:22 AM (15 years, 7 days ago)

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The thing is, bankers hate the idea of people staying in debt to them.



Well, sort of.  Bankers hate when a bunch of people aren't able to pay off their loans.  Though if some people default on their mortgage, the bank gets the house, so it's not that big a loss.  But if everyone paid off their debt, we'd be fucked.  You know why?  Because our money is created by debt.  No debt = no money




Yar, I realized there was a lot of context to what I was saying, but didn't want to create a longer post by explaining "Well, there are cases where staying in debt is good, and here's why..." I originally wrote "banks hate the idea of people being in debt to them" and changed it cause I realized that I wanted to communicate the difference staying in debt, and being in debt (and yeah, banks love it when people stay in debt over long periods of time and basically are only able to pay off the interest on a loan + the minimum payment, it's the very reason why banks loan in the first place).

And yeah, paying off all debts would be terrible too. Banks make their money by investing it and having people owe them more money than they originally lent out.

But there's one thing you're leaving out in regards to banks foreclosing - the amount of people who are being foreclosed on really wreaks their investments because it also means the housing market is over saturated with homes that nobody can afford to take more loans on. This then drives down the price of the homes to be competitive, and that means the houses being foreclosed on are worth a lot less than what the bank originally paid for it. I'm sure you know all that, just figured I'd mention it if we're being thorough.

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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Twirling]
    #9974490 - 03/15/09 01:38 AM (15 years, 7 days ago)

Oh, and it kind of occured to me that I wanted to add one more thing:

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Silversoul said:Nonetheless, you are basically correct that this crisis is not at all in the interest of the banks. However, solving the problem in the long term would mean really going against the banks' interests.




Not entirely. The banking industry is having trouble because all of their assets which were once worth a lot, now are worth very little because there is no market for it. Also, a lot of people would take out loans from banks for the purpose of investing it in the stock market (professionals, not the typical person). Since the value of stocks has plummeted, it means that those people are also unable to pay back their loans. They planned on making more than the interest rate so they could easily pay back their loans, but if the stock drops like a rock, it means the money the bank loaned is also gone. In this case, there isn't a house to foreclose upon (there are other examples like this, but I prefer not to ramble too much).

So fixing it long term might depend on what you mean. Fixing it in the sense that nobody wants loans, yes, that would be bad. But the current situation is that loans are too risky to give out. That's what needs to be fixed (as long as it's not so sound that the lack of risk causes interest rates to be too low to be growth for the bank).

Obviously, this discussion proves that it's very hard to make blanket statements about the economy because there are so many different ways a statement can be applied and the economy is too intricate for that. That's really my point, of course, the idea that some group is behind this becomes absurd when you look at how complex the mechanisms are.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Twirling]
    #9975884 - 03/15/09 11:50 AM (15 years, 7 days ago)

Fixing it in the long term would mean nationalizing our currency(taking the power to create money away from the banks and putting it the hands of the federal government).  It would also mean banning derivatives, or at least drastically regulating them.  We might even have to nationalize the banks themselves.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Silversoul]
    #9983857 - 03/16/09 06:05 PM (15 years, 6 days ago)

good video overall

im not so sure about how truthful some of the details are but the main message is spot on


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    #9984207 - 03/16/09 06:55 PM (15 years, 6 days ago)

So I haven't watched Obama deception yet, but I think its not entirely relevant. I have been up and down the conspiricy road so many times. My best friend is pretty fucking obsessed, and works for him in a backwards type of way, making him more nuts about him.

I have seen all the films, and listened to many, many shows. He's an ENTERTAINER PEOPLE!! A DVD peddler at best. In no way should you take him seriously. Sure, many of his facts ARE true. BUT, its his decision to draw the parallels and write the script. Thats really the way you should look at it. I can make a pretty good case that Obama has an evil third testicle.. doesn't make it true.

I think what annoys me the most is that people actually believe there is a small group of people who "rule" the world, and plan to take it over. Its a modern myth, built into our brains since man has began writing. There is always the evil power, plotting to take over the world. Is it any suprise our minds have evolved in such a way that we can really piece together an elaborate myth. To think that even 5 of the richest most powerful guys could get along well enough to plan some world dictatorship is absolutly proposturous... and paranoid.

Terence had a good quote... he said, "its very conveinent to think that the masons, or aliens, or NWO, or whatever are behind all the pain and suffereing, and freakin BS in our society.... but the real scary thing is... NO ONE IS IN CONTROL. Its freakin chaos, and no one is driving.

That being said, Jones can be entertaining if thats your deal... just take it with a grain of salt and lighten up. This guy is running a pretty profitable business selling these ideas. Its a conspiracy within a conspiricy!! <- thats a joke!


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #9984435 - 03/16/09 07:34 PM (15 years, 6 days ago)

The movie didn't seem to enjoy citing facts or statistics within the first 30 minutes, so I turned it off.

"But Wapakz" you retort, "stats and facts are all governed by organizations funded by such and such and green-lighted by such and such, who are all in on it".

Well either get stats or gtfo. I don't need to spend 2 hours listening to one guy's crazy rant about how shit's run in the form of a low-quality documentary. There's already a million of those.


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    #9984633 - 03/16/09 08:03 PM (15 years, 6 days ago)

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So I haven't watched Obama deception yet, but I think its not entirely relevant. I have been up and down the conspiricy road so many times. My best friend is pretty fucking obsessed, and works for him in a backwards type of way, making him more nuts about him.

I have seen all the films, and listened to many, many shows. He's an ENTERTAINER PEOPLE!! A DVD peddler at best. In no way should you take him seriously. Sure, many of his facts ARE true. BUT, its his decision to draw the parallels and write the script. Thats really the way you should look at it. I can make a pretty good case that Obama has an evil third testicle.. doesn't make it true.

I think what annoys me the most is that people actually believe there is a small group of people who "rule" the world, and plan to take it over. Its a modern myth, built into our brains since man has began writing. There is always the evil power, plotting to take over the world. Is it any suprise our minds have evolved in such a way that we can really piece together an elaborate myth. To think that even 5 of the richest most powerful guys could get along well enough to plan some world dictatorship is absolutly proposturous... and paranoid.

Terence had a good quote... he said, "its very conveinent to think that the masons, or aliens, or NWO, or whatever are behind all the pain and suffereing, and freakin BS in our society.... but the real scary thing is... NO ONE IS IN CONTROL. Its freakin chaos, and no one is driving.

That being said, Jones can be entertaining if thats your deal... just take it with a grain of salt and lighten up. This guy is running a pretty profitable business selling these ideas. Its a conspiracy within a conspiricy!! <- thats a joke!




good post.  i used to be mr. tinfoil myself, then i eventually realized just what you said.  and let's say the select few "rulers" of the world achieve their master plan.  what the fuck will they do then?  why would they want total power of the world?  they've got enough cash to do anything they want now.

i can't help but think of the cartoons i used to watch as a kid.  you know the ones where the evil villain claims that once he defeats **insert superhero name**, then "I WILL RULE THE WORLD.  MUAHAHAHAAHA!!!".

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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #9985110 - 03/16/09 09:04 PM (15 years, 6 days ago)

Pretty good movie.  pretty fucking depressing too.  I think its pretty bad how americans just keep buying into the same "We're royally fucking you"


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9985136 - 03/16/09 09:07 PM (15 years, 6 days ago)

People always come up with the "Why would a few people want a new world order, why do they want to control the world?"

A:  Because they can.  There have always been people trying to take over the world, and then a small few come up with the biggest scam ever invented (central banking system) and then people are like WHY???  Its pretty fucking simple.  Because they can, why does it shock people.  Read a fucking history book, people trying to achieve world power not an uncommon theme.  Just wake up and realize that what your being told prolly is a bunch of bullshit, your ego tries to compensate for the situation in its defense mechenism called denial.  And if you haven't taken a psychology class, denial is

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Denial: Refusal to accept external reality because it is too threatening; arguing against an anxiety-provoking stimulus by stating it doesn't exist; resolution of emotional conflict and reduction of anxiety by refusing to perceive or consciously acknowledge the more unpleasant aspects of external reality.

I'm sorry to be offending people like normal that think its tinfoil, its not tinfoil its pretty legitimate imo.  There is nothing wrong with questioning authority.  Its when you give up and take the easier route of just agreeing with cultural to obey the same people that have been jamming their fist in your ass the past 5 decades.  Something does need to be done.  And even if this is all lies and there is no conspiracy, then i am truly saddened by the american people that they keep maniging to put "smart" people who graduate from elite colleges such as harvard/princton and are apart of some shady organizations that have no motive to make them selves richer.  Then they're doing a fucking horrible job.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9985270 - 03/16/09 09:22 PM (15 years, 6 days ago)

If anyone actually had significant control over anything, we wouldn't be in the absolute mess we are in right now.

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    #9985585 - 03/16/09 10:03 PM (15 years, 6 days ago)

Which mess?  Economic situation?  Wars against in-tangible enemies which are designed to last eternally?  The constitution being shit all over?  The elimination of civil liberties and the approvment of the FISA courts?


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9985619 - 03/16/09 10:07 PM (15 years, 6 days ago)

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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: anyone420]
    #9985665 - 03/16/09 10:15 PM (15 years, 6 days ago)

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Which mess?  Economic situation?  Wars against in-tangible enemies which are designed to last eternally?  The constitution being shit all over?  The elimination of civil liberties and the approvment of the FISA courts?




Dude, you think any of that is new??? Seriously, you said read a fucking history book. Thats all history is! This has happening hundreds of times before. You give these guys way too much credit. Your letting your imagination fill in the gaps. Humans are flawed. Most of these so called people in "power" think they are doing good. They're ignorant really. At the end of the day its all about the buck man...

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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Head Space]
    #9985668 - 03/16/09 10:15 PM (15 years, 6 days ago)

When did i say any of that was new?


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Head Space]
    #9985674 - 03/16/09 10:16 PM (15 years, 6 days ago)

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Your letting your imagination fill in the gaps.



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    #9985682 - 03/16/09 10:18 PM (15 years, 6 days ago)

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Terence had a good quote... he said, "its very conveinent to think that the masons, or aliens, or NWO, or whatever are behind all the pain and suffereing, and freakin BS in our society.... but the real scary thing is... NO ONE IS IN CONTROL. Its freakin chaos, and no one is driving.




While I don't think that corporations and governments have any grand, overarching plot to dominate the world, I do think there they're involved in plenty of secretive activities to consolidate power and make money. Most top politicians were lawyers, CEOs, or in other corporate entrenched positions, so there is a strong element of common interest between the two and it's no coincidence that our laws are designed mainly for corporate gain, with concessions made only when there is enough public unrest that there is no other choice.

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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: iamconfused]
    #9985717 - 03/16/09 10:21 PM (15 years, 6 days ago)

Yeah but if you can scare your public enough, you can have them feeding right out of the palm of your hand.  While i don't necessarily think 100% that this is, for a fact the way Alex Jones explained it IS happening.  I do think its a good idea to question authority.  Because the authority already has its fist in our ass.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Redstorm]
    #9985740 - 03/16/09 10:24 PM (15 years, 6 days ago)

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If anyone actually had significant control over anything, we wouldn't be in the absolute mess we are in right now.



Nobody is really in controll of anything, but they can direct the flow of events towards thier side.

And thats assuming that they even care if you are in a mess ,they dont.

I have worked for ones in power with money ,they feel you are not worthy to even shit on thier toilet.

We are considered worker garbage and are a pest to thier existance,they would care very little if about half of us were dead.


I worked in Montecito california for over 4 years for these people ,I know them all too well....they are not all like that ,but I would say about 90 percent are.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: iamconfused]
    #9985754 - 03/16/09 10:26 PM (15 years, 6 days ago)

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Please explain where im filling in gaps with my imagination?




You assume a person, or group of persons are trying to take over the world. There is no proof. Its more likely, that there ARE people with these aspirations, that might even be in a position to seriously affect the world. But in the greater scheme of things, how really possible is it? It seems far more likely that its just people being people, making descisions based on greed, or the will to power, but to assume its a highly calculated grand conspiracy as Jones illustrates would be nothing short of magical. He draws connection that aren't necessarily there.. i.e. filling in the gaps.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: iamconfused]
    #9985926 - 03/16/09 10:49 PM (15 years, 6 days ago)

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Terence had a good quote... he said, "its very conveinent to think that the masons, or aliens, or NWO, or whatever are behind all the pain and suffereing, and freakin BS in our society.... but the real scary thing is... NO ONE IS IN CONTROL. Its freakin chaos, and no one is driving.




While I don't think that corporations and governments have any grand, overarching plot to dominate the world, I do think there they're involved in plenty of secretive activities to consolidate power and make money. Most top politicians were lawyers, CEOs, or in other corporate entrenched positions, so there is a strong element of common interest between the two and it's no coincidence that our laws are designed mainly for corporate gain, with concessions made only when there is enough public unrest that there is no other choice.




I agree, this is one of the most relevent posts in this discussion!

I just watched the movie and completely agree that it is well researched but overly paranoid. It had very little to do with Obama...

I agree there are greedy rich people protecting their interests and perhaps manipulating behind the scenes of American politics which in turn meddles in world politics. However, Alex Jones blows it sooo out of proportion and towards the end of the movie he jumps to major conclusions about the future which i DO NOT think will happen. Alex Jones takes things out of context and distorts the truth alot.

To whoever suggested rebutting his argument with thoroughly researched counter argument, i Say: "i am not making a living off selling films, i do not have the time or resources to put together my own documentary called "obamas OK, we are free, everything will be ok.""

Also - WTF is up with Jones's people Denying Global Warming? - i think what he said about it is complete hogwash. To deny global warming as a Hoax instated by a malevolent secret society planning to take over the world in order to collect taxes. Thats  just ignorant!

+ then towards the end they have the historian fellow talking about fascism in Russia, Germany and China, and then relating the situation in America to the genocides in said countries... GIVE ME A BREAK. Near the end of the segment the historian says "i pray it wont happen in America" (paraphrase) -- OK conspiracy nuts - you think genoicide is going to happen in America.

Fuck...

Although i admit that there are manipulative influences which are beyond observation by we the people - i think Obama is generally a good guy and will do some beneficial things for human rights. Im super stoked on his new Drug Czar and relaxed/revised drug policies...

The agenda being pushed in America is scary - but its beyond Obama.

Overall though he is trying to bring to light some important issues. He just does it in an immature/holier than thou and confrontational way.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: PDU]
    #9985964 - 03/16/09 10:54 PM (15 years, 6 days ago)

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The agenda being pushed in America is scary - but its beyond Obama.

Overall though he is trying to bring to light some important issues. He just does it in an immature/holier than thou and confrontational way.






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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Head Space]
    #9986055 - 03/16/09 11:07 PM (15 years, 6 days ago)

shit man, i just watched the first half an hour of that movie.. got to the part with the reporter....

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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Big_Whoop]
    #9986393 - 03/17/09 12:12 AM (15 years, 6 days ago)

When that guy said global warming is a psuedo-science, i just shit my self.  I have taken a lot of classes that at one point focus of global warming and that guy is full of shit.


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    #9986533 - 03/17/09 12:41 AM (15 years, 6 days ago)

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When that guy said global warming is a psuedo-science, i just shit my self.  I have taken a lot of classes that at one point focus of global warming and that guy is full of shit.




Totally - by associating oneself with such quackery quickly devalidates most of Alex Jones's opinions.


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    #9986542 - 03/17/09 12:44 AM (15 years, 6 days ago)

I thought there was some good stuff in there, and other stuff just straight up :tinfoil:  :morefoil:


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Head Space]
    #9986586 - 03/17/09 12:55 AM (15 years, 5 days ago)

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Please explain where im filling in gaps with my imagination?




You assume a person, or group of persons are trying to take over the world. There is no proof. Its more likely, that there ARE people with these aspirations, that might even be in a position to seriously affect the world. But in the greater scheme of things, how really possible is it? It seems far more likely that its just people being people, making descisions based on greed, or the will to power, but to assume its a highly calculated grand conspiracy as Jones illustrates would be nothing short of magical. He draws connection that aren't necessarily there.. i.e. filling in the gaps.




as far as Alex Jones is concerned, He's been involved with uncovering these psycho's his entire life. You, may have watched maybe 24hours worth of footage concerning it and think they made some stretch of the truth. His credibility is good enough, not to mention he involves an undeniable amount of proof, in form of solid evidence and testimony from other people.

You obviously don't understand the psyche involved with these power and murder hungry people.(my direct ancestors were these people until one of them heroically opposed and went to help colonize the U.S. Being a founder of one of the states, after being annexed from a religion biased state) A good chunk of them are actually religiously obsessed(most of them derived from ancient egypt) with controlling masses of population and always leads to genocide type results. But history shows that eventually, revolutionary events happen. But the main problem is that the highest powered creeps, use puppets.( The evidence is obvious there) the puppets get scolded, but the most powerful usually survive. Their philosophy reigns on and history repeats.

They use psychology(and money) to swade people agaisnt eachother. and rewrite history books. Its much more complicated then them just pushing buttons and knowing the outcome and BAM! I control the world!. and if they just wanted enough money to be set for life, this wouldn't be any issue. I think I'll stop pointing out the obvious. But you have to understand their mindset, they want to be like gods.

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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: bloomersooner]
    #9987193 - 03/17/09 07:22 AM (15 years, 5 days ago)

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    #9991081 - 03/17/09 07:34 PM (15 years, 5 days ago)

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Please explain where im filling in gaps with my imagination?



You assume a person, or group of persons are trying to take over the world. There is no proof. Its more likely, that there ARE people with these aspirations, that might even be in a position to seriously affect the world. But in the greater scheme of things, how really possible is it? It seems far more likely that its just people being people, making descisions based on greed, or the will to power, but to assume its a highly calculated grand conspiracy as Jones illustrates would be nothing short of magical. He draws connection that aren't necessarily there.. i.e. filling in the gaps.



as far as Alex Jones is concerned, He's been involved with uncovering these psycho's his entire life. You, may have watched maybe 24hours worth of footage concerning it and think they made some stretch of the truth. His credibility is good enough, not to mention he involves an undeniable amount of proof, in form of solid evidence and testimony from other people.

You obviously don't understand the psyche involved with these power and murder hungry people.(my direct ancestors were these people until one of them heroically opposed and went to help colonize the U.S. Being a founder of one of the states, after being annexed from a religion biased state) A good chunk of them are actually religiously obsessed(most of them derived from ancient egypt) with controlling masses of population and always leads to genocide type results. But history shows that eventually, revolutionary events happen. But the main problem is that the highest powered creeps, use puppets.( The evidence is obvious there) the puppets get scolded, but the most powerful usually survive. Their philosophy reigns on and history repeats.

They use psychology(and money) to swade people agaisnt eachother. and rewrite history books. Its much more complicated then them just pushing buttons and knowing the outcome and BAM! I control the world!. and if they just wanted enough money to be set for life, this wouldn't be any issue. I think I'll stop pointing out the obvious. But you have to understand their mindset, they want to be like gods.





After this I am letting this thread die.. i hope...

Put this in your pipe and smoke it. Here is Alex Jones headspace. He has a job. That job is puttin on a radio show, that entertains people to some extent, and informs people. He has websites, and movies.. of course ad supported, and requiring you to pay for them. Its a job. Obama Deception is nothing more than a continuation of his 9-5. He makes money off selling this stuff to relatively gullible people. I'm sorry. But don't put all you eggs into one basket. To think that a group of people (HUMANS!) can put together this massive consipiracy is crazy talk. ANyone who's eaten their fair share of psychedelics should realize that whats going on on this planet is much bigger than any person or group of people. Don't forget, dude still has to pay bills..... even if Bush is gone. Which leads me to my next poitn, he owes Bush. This type of crap who never have been palateable had W not fucked up so bad.


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His credibility is good enough, not to mention he involves an undeniable amount of proof, in form of solid evidence and testimony from other people.




He's not a credible source. Ever hear of peer reviewed research? A credible reporter only reports FACT, verifiable facts... without spin. Shit, Jones has less credibility than BIll O'reilly. Why? Because JOnes uses fear. Deductive reasoning is really what is credible.

I have given Jones a chance, I really have. But at the end of all his movies I am left thinking, eh, not really PROVEN. Its not hard to get a group of people who think like you to give a couple words (Rogan, Willie Nelson, etc), but who says they know anything we dont? You choose to from your own reality, if you want to walk around in fear, your really no better than sheep you hope to liberate.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Head Space]
    #9991099 - 03/17/09 07:37 PM (15 years, 5 days ago)

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    #9991174 - 03/17/09 07:49 PM (15 years, 5 days ago)

Granted, Alex Jones is a radio-show host and an entertainer, he still does firmly and sincerely believe what he preaches.

There's a lot of people that believe these theories of New World Order, Federal Reserve corruption, 9/11 as an inside job, etc. etc.


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    #9991890 - 03/17/09 09:32 PM (15 years, 5 days ago)

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    #9992380 - 03/17/09 11:20 PM (15 years, 5 days ago)

I feel really sorry for you Head Space. You are the people that are shown the evidence. obviously dont grasp the material and/or dont research enough. And CHOOSE to deny the facts right in front of you. I believe the fear is exactly what youre exhibiting. Knowing the truth is liberating and to accept it and decide to not give in, is nothing but courageous. those folks that accept it will end up being the ones who could have saved you, or your children and grandchildren. You abolished any credibility in your arguments by stating that O'Reilly is more credible than Jones. They have won you over. Your obviously their perfect demographic in their psychology. They don't have to work hard to win over the average sheep, who dont bother to hear the other side of the story. But their ingenius techniques got you. O'reilly. lol. I guess if Alex Jones spends his entire time involved with making videos and doing radio shows, he shouldn't be allowed to pay for food for his family or pay a mortgage.

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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Head Space]
    #9992801 - 03/18/09 12:55 AM (15 years, 4 days ago)

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I have given Jones a chance, I really have. But at the end of all his movies I am left thinking, eh, not really PROVEN. Its not hard to get a group of people who think like you to give a couple words (Rogan, Willie Nelson, etc), but who says they know anything we dont? You choose to from your own reality, if you want to walk around in fear, your really no better than sheep you hope to liberate.




If Jones was credible he would have better collaborators in his movies than a dude from Public Enemy, KRS one, and willie nelson.

Did you even hear what they said?

The guy is waaay too paranoid + its funny, because i know people who buy into his shit soo much. I dont think his Conclusions would ever stand upto a thorough objective investigation, Unfortunatlely i do not have the time to do it myself....

Headspace makes alot of sense.

(that said, i fully support the idea of abolishing capitalism, protesting globalization, using indie media, and being as informed as possible about everything.)


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: PDU]
    #10007574 - 03/20/09 12:26 PM (15 years, 2 days ago)

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The Obama Deception (DVD Review)
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The first question I ask myself after watching any movie, documentary, or video is this:

Would I watch that again?

In the case of The Obama Deception, I absolutely would. Not only would I buy the DVD and watch it in full detail, I’d also tell others about it and offer to lend them my DVD copy.

The Obama Deception, a new Alex Jones documentary, is a hard-hitting piece, full of details on how Barack H. Obama is secretly controlled by an international ring of bankers and businessmen. This ring of terrorists and thugs is the same Illumunati group who seeks to start a New World Order. They’ve already hi-jacked our world and are in full control.

Obama, as the newly-elected President of the United States, through their intervention and control, is the Illumaniti new posterchild and puppet. At least, this is how director Alex Jones paints the picture for his documentary viewers. And with my own independent studies and sources, I would have to wholeheartedly agree.

I genienly believe President Barack Obama to be a good man inside, but I feel he is seeking his moments of fame and power, which the international bankers are taking advantage of. The banksters already control him and this is made apparent in The Obama Deception.

Alex Jones shows many important things, including Barack Obama’s true agenda in office. Here is 9 points listed in the film:

1. Bring the United States under the control of a powerful offshore super bank known as the Bank of the World.

The agenda includes thousands of taxes on everyday items, including, but not limited to, lightbulbs, water, meat, travel, and carbon taxes on every man, woman, and child. They will use global warming and climate change hoax as tools to trick Americans into paying more taxes than ever before. The collected taxes will be poured into the offshore super bank, straight into the pockets of the super wealthy who rule this planet.

2. Institute a Civilian National Security Force and Youth Brigades with a 1 million-plus membership.

Rahm Emanuel, Obama’s right-hand man, is fully supporting and helping to push through legislation to start this civilian force that will report directly to the President of the United States, whether it be Obama or another puppet working directly for the banksters. The website USAService.org is a front for recruiting members into this civilian security force.

Membership and participation will be mandatory for all American citizens ages 18 to 24, and may be extended to senior citizens and other working adults. Not matter your age, don’t expect to get out of service easily. Regardless, our youth will be conscripted for service and forced into a physical slavery our country hasn’t seen since the times of Abraham Lincoln.

3. Disarm and control the guns in America.

Obama operatives in the Congress have already introduced 10 bills, if passed, will strip Americans of their 2nd Amendment rights to bare and arm weapons for security, protection, and defense. This is a direct attack on the Constitution of the United States of America. White House Chief-of-Staff Rahm Emanuel and U.S Attorney General Eric Holder are big supporters of the proposed legislation and want Americans to never pick up a weapon again.

4. Massive restrictions on the 1st Amendment of free speech.

The President, Congress, and the FCC have announced plans to limit speech on radio, television, and the internet. They are calling this agenda “fairness in speech.”

5. Federalize health care in America.

The federal government, with this agenda, will be able to dictate what kind of health care each citizen is to receive, when they can have their medicines, and be further taxed on providing a national health care system. It will be modeled after the British health care system and restrict what kind of medical procedures can be provided to patients.

6. Expand the efforts of the Department of Defense.

Obama wants to expand the reach of the U.S. military by encircling Russia, China, and Africa. Americans will be further taxed and their money poured into the U.S. war machine to impose the international bankers’ rule of law on other countries. Expect to see Africacom (United States Africa Command) and Africans employed in mandatory military service by President Obama, or his successor.

7. Radically expand federal control over family farms and ranches.

8. Accelerate the merger of Canada, Mexico, and America as the North American Union.

9. Obama must pay the part of President of the United States to serve the bankers’ agenda.

There is so much useful knowledge in this documentary, it’s hard to write about it all. For those who regularly follow Alex Jones, his websites, and his talk show, much of this information you’ve already read or heard. However, it’s a great documentary for those who have no idea that Obama is the puppet President of the Illumunati.

My personal opinion:

Buy “The Obama Deception” right now!




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A review of the new movie, The Obama Deception, from Alex Jones.
http://www.nolanchart.com/article6163.html
by John Kusumi (centrist liberal) Friday, March 20, 2009

For my fellow Americans who don't know what's been going on, there is such a thing as the red pill genre of news and information. The term "red pill" comes from a movie, The Matrix, where a character can choose a red pill to disconnect from the matrix, or a blue pill to remain blissfully ignorant of the matrix -- even forgetting the opportunity to choose one pill or the other.

While The Matrix was a fictional movie, The Obama Deception is not. People such as President Barack Obama, Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, and Press Secretary Robert Gibbs would dearly love to call the movie fictional, but they are not disinterested parties because they are subjects of treatment in the movie. The Obama Deception places them on the hot seat, and they might call the movie "insulting," "slander," "libel," or "defamation of character."

Ah, but this is America. The law would protect an Anonymous Joe against slander, libel, and defamation. But, for public figures, our system allows debate and discussion, consistent with political free speech as assured by the U.S. Constitution's First Amendment. Public figures cannot win cases for slander, libel, and defamation, unless they also prove a fourth factor: malice. And when a call is borderline, the First Amendment protections weigh very heavily. At least in some previous years, the American system has strongly protected its free speech rights.

So every now and then, something is released like Michael Moore's Farenheit 911, or now Alex Jones' The Obama Deception. These are examples of the red pill genre. Red pill material posits that most people are plugged into a matrix, where everyday life is a controlled experience because we are surrounded by the masses of people who are brainwashed by disinformation and propaganda. Most people are creatures of habit, not critical thinkers, and hence their responses come from habits inculcated, and rules of thumb that are promulgated, by the society around them.

If that were the extent of the proposition, I would say "there's something to it," and add that Madison Avenue has highly developed the techniques of marketing, advertising, and public relations. I've had first hand experience working on 'Madison Avenue,' and in political campaigns. (In my case, 'Madison Avenue' needs scare quotes, because N.W. Ayer -- my former and now-defunct agency -- was literally on Sixth Avenue in New York City.) In fact, propaganda and spin are their own highly refined disciplines. Political strategists won't deny it, so there is essential plausibility for the tenets of the red pill genre.

Alex Jones takes it a bit farther, by uncovering hideous evil (whether real or perceived), naming names, and ascribing evil intentions to those he names. In some ways, this is inconvenient, because I have Obama criticism that comes from a different angle. My angle is "the politics of practical idealism" and I would prefer to think of it as "no pill" politics. What if I don't have to swallow either a blue or a red pill? I think of our scene as inconvenient, because the other side -- the Obama administration -- would love to conflate all of its critics together and use broad brush strokes to tar them simultaneously.

Personally, I think there are enormous differences between Rush Limbaugh, Alex Jones, and John Kusumi. But there is a man called Robert Gibbs -- perhaps I'll nickname him Robert Glibs -- who would like to be dismissive of all administration critics. Well, the paint fight comes later. First, here, I'm rendering my own review of the movie.

An essential premise of the movie is that while Obama occupies the throne, real power rests elsewhere. Private bankers, the Federal Reserve, and Wall Street are a financial cabal, and they buy the candidate of their choice. The movie includes another narrative, in which power goes from the Bilderberg group to the Trilateral Commission to the Council on Foreign Relations. And as a willing stooge, Barack Obama rewards these groups by packing his administration and cabinet with people from Wall Street and the Council on Foreign Relations. Then he proceeds to break myriad campaign promises, on the road to implementing a "globalist agenda."

I see some aspects that are disturbing on both sides -- for viewers, and for the Obama administration. Review this quote from the paragraph above: "Obama rewards these groups by packing his administration and cabinet with people from Wall Street and the Council on Foreign Relations. Then he proceeds to break myriad campaign promises". What's disturbing is that this part of the movie is clearly non-fiction and accurate. The President's own behavior validates, or punches the ticket, of The Obama Deception. It reflects and reports his real life behavior. It's disturbing, because it makes the movie all the harder to dismiss. Barack Obama, you are being documented and chronicled! This much is true.

And so yes, Obama is being documented and chronicled, but the other side can say not always fairly. In an earlier paragraph, I hinted that evil can be real or perceived. The eye of the beholder must take in the information, process it, and arrive at a conclusion as to how evil is the material as witnessed. When we come to "ascribing evil intentions," this is necessarily the realm of conjecture and speculation. In a court of law, conjecture and speculation are tossed out, and someone at the podium of Robert Gibbs can come back with just that point. And, my earlier paragraph ended with the words, "on the road to implementing a 'globalist agenda.'" When the topic is the future, none of us really have it in hand to speak for.

As a result, there is an element of speculation that a court of law would toss. But, the court of public opinion is where we really are, and that's not the same as a court of law. Political free speech definitely supports the right of Alex Jones and anyone to point an accusatory finger about a globalist agenda.

It is worth saying some more to review the fears of a globalist agenda. I believe that nations are good things to keep. I believe that a one-world government would be a very, very bad thing. I believe that lovers of liberty don't want to go there. That's my view, but of course there will always be some on the other side who think that yes, the world should move towards a one-world government. That's the problem. Jones and myself are solidly in the camp or column "against" global government. Anyone on the other side, by definition, favors a massive violation of American sovereignty.

There have already been massive violations of American sovereignty, as Bill Clinton brought in NAFTA / CAFTA / WTO / PNTR -- these are the so called "free trade" agreements that made our trade policy hostage to unelected, unaccountable, private sector bodies as found at NAFTA and the WTO. The entire concept of "investor to state" litigation (one of the precepts in the free trade agreements) is a massive violation of state sovereignty.

Talk of the globalist agenda wrinkles the nose, for people who want to be seen as "politically correct." PCness suggests, bury one's head in the sand on this issue. But, policy makers and informed Americans don't have the luxury to do so. (Apparently news rooms can keep their feet on the desk, and they DO have that luxury -- that, due to the remarkable low standards of THEIR industry. PNTR may be screwing America, but they were trained not to ask questions about it and to not challenge free trade.)

The above matters (free trade agreements) reveal that there has already been some implementation of a globalist agenda. So, it isn't pure speculation -- it has a history that we can review. But at some point, Alex Jones and I part company. I've expressed above where we agree, but in the face of all the bad news, I keep calm, while Jones continues into a full throated tirade against evil.

Sometimes, it may be hard to tell the difference between marauding evil and really bad policy. I keep my eyes out and ears tuned for policy mistakes. There is a role for those such as Jones who would fire up a base and rally the troops to the Rebel Alliance, in a face off with the Evil Empire. It's well and good that Jones occupies that niche. But my concerns range to other places, where Jones and I might disagree. The following is an example.

While I oppose a one-world government, I could support a one-world currency. Floating exchange rates, which we have now, are one way that the rich get richer while the poor get poorer. Fixed exchange rates, or a one-world currency, would stop the regime of floating exchange rates. On a level playing field, Ethiopians (e.g.) would not need to bemoan the fact that their currency is worthless. In fact, Wall Street includes forex traders who should logically be against this reform, since a one-world currency would obviate the existence of forex and the trading of currencies and related financial tricks.

Do I agree that the Federal Reserve should be nationalized and have its functions placed under the Treasury Department? Yes. But, that's in the absence of a world agreement for a world currency. The likelihood of world agreement is low. But if that were available (with no tiers, no tranches, no privileged treatment that disenfranchises poor people in poor countries), then I would say yes, let's take the agreement for one currency. And my parenthetical note is really the reason why agreement is unlikely. Bankers and Wall Street will want to rig the system so they remain advantaged. Because world agreement is likely not forthcoming -- I expect to remain in the camp with Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Alex Jones (and even Glenn Beck!) saying, "End the Fed."

As for reviewing the Obama administration, Jones offers a very damning review. I've previously published some of my own thoughts -- Barack Obama is off to a shaky start. I was disappointed on Day One. On Day One, I would have the United States out of the (bad) WTO, into the (good) ICC, and recognizing (the nation of) Taiwan. And I believe in vigorous prosecution of the prior Bush administration. But I prefer to allow 100 days to elapse before I come out with my full review.

Jones and I have some overlap in our Obama criticism, so I can vouch for our points in common. When campaigning, Obama went to the (formerly) industrial mid-West, and denounced NAFTA. But, his campaign talked from both sides of its mouth, and told the Canadian government "not to worry." I suppose that means that Obama's NAFTA talk was just posturing. To me, the passage of NAFTA in the 1990s crossed a divide. The American republic gave way to the American kleptocracy. Now, Obama seems determined to "preserve, protect, and defend" kleptocracy.

In fact, if he can re-inflate the housing bubble, he will. He cannot do so, but he didn't mind supporting the $700 billion bailout of Wall Street -- a mugging of the American taxpayers that passed Congress in October, 2008.

To me, it is troubling that Obama would re-inflate the housing bubble and have everybody pick up and continue like nothing ever went wrong. That is a mental model that says we will, or can, or should go back to "the status quo ante." When the entire model and paradigm has failed, and when free trade exacerbates the recession and dilutes stimulus efforts, it's time to re-evaluate the model and paradigm. Instead, we saw U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton go to China like a pan handler, saying "please buy our debt." Obama and Clinton have not yet wrapped their heads around the point that the old model is unsustainable; that the economy imploded because that unsustainable model had run its course. Things need to be different going forward, but Obama and Clinton reveal "status quo ante" thinking. That's not change that I can believe in. That's continuity -- not leadership.

Jones and I also note that Barack Obama reversed himself on the quetion of warrantless wiretapping. During the campaign, he voted for the FISA immunity bill, which lets 'off the hook' those telecom companies that cooperated with the Bush administration's warrantless wiretapping program.

If Obama is a brilliant reformer, then he is aware of how compromised he is by surrounding himself with corrupt people. Twenty years ago, Nancy Pelosi was a new Congresswoman, and she became a hero to Chinese dissidents right after the Tiananmen Square massacre by going to bat for them on Capitol Hill. Now as I watched The Obama Deception, it was saddening to see how corrupt Pelosi has become. Also I was amazed at how off base and unrealistic is the thinking of Rahm Emanuel.

Jones' point is that Obama is NOT a brilliant reformer; just a brilliant liar. He may or may not be right. Thus far, I have seen no cessation of American kleptocracy. In fact, Obama took up crusading against the intellectually-dishonest shibboleth of "protectionism." The word protectionism is used by sell outs to avoid and evade sanity in trade policy.

There are parts in the movie that are absolutely brilliant. Complex material was covered at a level for general understanding. I'm thinking of one scene where the "Burger King analogy" is presented. It's more easily watched than described.

In the mildest formulation, Barack Obama is at least sold out. With his harsher and more scathing formulations, Alex Jones will be accused of twisting the truth. But there are many grains of truth included, and these naturally invite analysis. Alex Jones is standing on solid ground, but his "analysis" becomes the full throated tirade that wrinkles my nose and seems wearing.

I think that different people are going to have different take aways from The Obama Deception, but to arm yourself with information is always worthwhile. Alex Jones presents "red pill politics" while sold out mainstream news presents only "blue pill politics." Because the media are so one-sided, I value Jones' material as an antidote or tonic. In conclusion, I recommend this movie. It beats turning on the news and seeing less sincere blue pill stuff.




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Movie Review - The Obama Deception
http://www.cynicsunlimited.com/2009/03/17/movie-review-the-obama-deception/
By Cynapse


Title: The Obama Deception
Release: 2009
Genre: Documentary
Run Time: 112 Minutes
Publisher: Alex Jones Productions
Rating: 82%
URL: http://www.obamadeception.net/

The Obama Deception is the latest documentary film from talk-show host anti-Globalist activist Alex Jones. The film opens with dramatic election footage backed by excerpts from various Obama speeches but wastes no time tearing into Obama’s populist image with an opening monologue by rapper and activist KRS-One (aka Kris Parker) that compares the role of president to being shift manager at a Burger King. Parker ends his diatribe by observing that the angry customers (i.e. voters) can complain all day to the manager but never get to see the owners of the restaurant.

Parker’s analogy summarizes the film’s premise: Barack Obama, like all U.S. presidents since JFK, is little more than an attractive empty suit who was promoted by the political “elites” to quell public anger over the direction of the Bush administration. The president’s role is largely ceremonial to pacify the masses while the real power is held by international bankers and non-elected bodies like the Federal Reserve and the mysterious Bildeberg Group. These non-elected bodies aim to consolidate their world power by precipitating a crisis (e.g. the recent failure of the banking system tied to sub-prime mortgages) that will coax the people into submitting more of their civil liberties to centralized powers in exchange for (perceived) security.

Jones seeks to prove this thesis by demonstrating a long history of economic imperialism, the way unelected bodies have affected the policies of past U.S. presidents (the JFK conspiracy is discussed, as he was allegedly the last president who truly tried to change the system; his comeuppance is illustrated via the infamous Zapruder assassination film) and most importantly compare the one-time senator Obama’s platform to what has actually been done since he took the white house. Despite President Obama’s term being barely 3 months, Jones provides a rather impressive list of promises already broken by the 44th president of the United States:
Instead of repealing the patriot act as pledged, Barrack Obama voted to reinstate it
Obama watered down his original pledge to bring all troops home from Iraq in 6 months. Now a only portion of troops will allegedly be brought home in 23 months
While signing off the closing of Guantanamo bay, Obama’s mandate still allows for rendition; the administration threatened to cut intelligence ties to the United Kingdom over alleged evidence of American misdeeds.

Despite being elected on a platform of neutralizing lobbyists, Obama’s cabinet contains some of the most powerful lobbyists in the country. Most notably, treasury secretary Timothy Geithner was a top lobbyist for Goldman Sachs – to date, the leading beneficiary of the so-called stimulus packages ($12.9 billion)

This documentary excels at providing externally verifiable facts and sometimes shocking footage. For instance, most people probably didn’t know that Barrack Obama -model liberal- has ties to staunch Republicans. The film reveals one of Obama’s early endorsers to be none other than Henry Kissinger - the former Secretary of State is shown in a CNBC clip declaring Obama to be the perfect candidate to set a new world order.

Seasoned skeptics will be relieved to hear that The Obama Deception provides a concise description of what they believe to be President Obama’s agenda for the coming years:
-Bringing the US financial system under the control of the Bank of the World
-Conscription for persons aged 18-24 into a domestic paramilitary force under direct command of the president
-Disarmament of Americans through stricter gun control
-Strong restrictions on free speech through promotion of the Fairness Doctrine and various hate speech laws
-Military control of African resources through Africom (to secure resources and push away China from the continent)
-Further integration with Mexico and Canada in preparation for the North American Union
-Federal control of family farms through animal ID legislation

Perhaps most shockingly, the film alleges that Obama will in due time fall on his sword and take responsibility for the social upheaval resulting from this agenda. This virtual abdication will pave the way for the next Republican “saviour” who will court the American people as a renegade against socialism, all while perpetuating the agenda dictated by the “elites”.

It’s at this point that The Obama Deception starts to resemble the standard conspiracy theory flick, recently popularized by Zeitgeist and Loose Change (Jones was executive producer for the latter). This perception is only bolstered by the film-maker’s own footage of supported activists picketing and harassing cars entering various political functions they allege to be anti-democratic, playing cat and mouse with event security. The factual portions of the film are not immune to scrutiny either. The Obama Deception backs its core thesis by repeatedly sequencing verifiable information, somewhat alarming (if abbreviated) video clips that could be taken out of context and allusions to sinister activity that seem logical based on the presented information. It’s the classic Yes-Yes strategy of persuasion used by the aforementioned films – a technique that can reach the same level of deception Jones alleges of the president. Alex Jones is no stranger to controversy himself, having spearheaded a movement to rebuild the infamous Branch Davidian compound in Waco Texas that was destroyed by the ATF during its pursuit of cult leader David Koresh. Jones has also produced several conspiratorial films such as Endgame: Blueprint for Global Enslavement and 911: The Road to Tyranny (containing some of the more infamous 911 conspiracy theories). In fact, it could be said that The Obama Deception is merely clever marketing in that it attacks Obama in a seemingly partisan way to bait audiences into hearing Jones’ traditional messages regarding totalitarian world government.

Hence, the Obama Deception is not the smear job some political partisans may have hoped for; instead, it is a discomforting launch point for discussion about the impotence of American democracy. If viewers come away from this film with one question, it is hopefully be why such readily available facts and inconsistencies must be highlighted in fringe films and not the so-called free press (from the Huffington Post to FOX News) that shapes the vast majority of public opinion and has been supposedly liberated by the internet.

A large grain of salt is required, as always, but some of this information simply can’t be dismissed out of hand (plus, we skeptics were given a prediction score-card on which to grade the film). Watch and decide for yourself.




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Anti-Obama DVD 'The Obama Deception' a web hit with 160,000 YouTube views
http://www.examiner.com/x-2398-Boston-Top-News-Examiner~y2009m3d16-AntiObama-DVD-The-Obama-Deception-a-web-hit-160000-YouTube-views
March 16, 6:24 PM

Alex Jones, a radio host and underground filmmaker for many years, has released a DVD called "The Obama Deception" that has conspiracy theorists of the left and the right shaking their fists with concern about how the president is owned by international banking interests.

March 19 Update: From a review of the DVD at the Citizen Online website, I found more information about Jones and the anti-Wall Street, anti-New World Order beliefs of the film's fans. The reviewer writes:

Though Obama gets top billing in this movie the film isn’t that much about our spruce pack-a-day new Prez. What it breaks down is the false left-right paradigm, the military industrial owned and therefore controlled mainstream media and the unholy alliance between the Federal Government and the private offshore banking cartel that is the Federal Reserve.

This seems to be a new form of NWO paranoia, one that is clearly feeding off the backlash against Big Banks and the financial meltdown. The reviewer explains that the Fed is the "crack dealing money machine to the Federal Government which has been an addict of fiat money since 1913 when Woodrow Wilson sold our country out to the Wall Street den of vipers and thieves."

It's quite an interesting explanation.

This is the film that will finally get people to understand that there is a shadow government behind the puppet government. It is run by the Rothschild-Rockefeller-British & Dutch Royal Family and assorted Bilderberg cohorts. This is the Anglo-American Empire exposed and Jones does better in exposing the great lie in The Obama Deception than any other film on the subject to date, even his own earlier films.

Some highlights of the 2 hour film are commentary by the extremely balanced and knowledgeable historian Webster G. Tarpley, who is the epitome of calm in a crisis as well as Gerald Celente, top future trends forecaster who long ago saw the onset of Depression 2009 like a dim light down a subway tunnel.

The best line in this movie goes to seminal hip-hopper Professor Griff of Public Enemy who asks, “where did we get this sense that just because we have a black man as President everything is going to be OK…everything is NOT going to be OK.”

You can find out more at the website set up by Jones here: http://www.obamadeception.net




Thousands are sharing it on pirate bay and mininova. Youtube results are not accurate, they've been proven time and time again they fiddle with the view counters. This is very good news. The more people that listen to KRS one's president/BK shit manager analogy, the better.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #10102547 - 04/03/09 08:34 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Alex Jones is a fear mongering sack of trash, like Will Cooper said. He was telling people we were gonna be nuked by Russia December 31st, 1999. Fuck him.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: doom876]
    #10102595 - 04/03/09 08:50 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

All I can say is your entitled to your opinion. Some people need to wake up and realize that our government is LEAST concered about us. If you haven't noticed alot of things he and MANY OTHERS talk about have happened.

Alex jones warned us of 9/11 before it happened and guess what it did. The current economy problem was no accident, they are doing it on purpose...collapse the economy in other country's and they will all be begging for help and in comes the new world order one world government.

Quit using the term conspiracy theory as its not made up stuff there are plenty of fact's proving most of it is coming. You have no idea and if your to iggnorant to believe it or even give the benefit of the doubt then you are already a slave of the elitist.


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    #10103984 - 04/04/09 06:32 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: dr_gonz]
    #10104095 - 04/04/09 07:30 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

‘Conspiracy, one is tempted to say, is the poor person’s cognitive mapping in the postmodern age; it is a degraded figure of the total logic of late capital, a desperate attempt to represent the latter’s system, whose failure is marked by its slippage into sheer theme and content’ - Fredric Jameson


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #10104106 - 04/04/09 07:36 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

"There are psychological explanations for why conspiracy theories are so seductive. Academics who study them argue that they meet a basic human need: to have the magnitude of any given effect be balanced by the magnitude of the cause behind it. A world in which tiny causes can have huge consequences feels scary and unreliable. Therefore a grand disaster like Sept. 11 needs a grand conspiracy behind it. "We tend to associate major events--a President or princess dying--with major causes," says Patrick Leman, a lecturer in psychology at Royal Holloway University of London, who has conducted studies on conspiracy belief. "If we think big events like a President being assassinated can happen at the hands of a minor individual, that points to the unpredictability and randomness of life and unsettles us." In that sense, the idea that there is a malevolent controlling force orchestrating global events is, in a perverse way, comforting."


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: WakeboardrB]
    #10104129 - 04/04/09 07:45 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

no no no listen: obama 9/11 truff pyramid 2012 serious


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: mathewww]
    #10104143 - 04/04/09 07:49 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Didn't have to look much further than this guy being a Texan, but he's got trisomy 21 written all over him. :gameover:


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    #10104242 - 04/04/09 08:46 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Quit using the term conspiracy theory as its not made up stuff




The term conspiracy theory does not mean it is made up.

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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Head Space]
    #10104245 - 04/04/09 08:48 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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A credible reporter only reports FACT




Who do you refer to as credible?





Ever listen to NPR?





lulz at someone giving a statist radio station as an example of credible reporters to an alex jones supporter

fuck alex jones
fuck obama
fuck npr
fuck government

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    #10104261 - 04/04/09 08:56 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: d33p]
    #10104283 - 04/04/09 09:09 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

It's obvious Obama has changed stances on many things. But for a second lets try to look at why? When Obama was running for president still, and making all these promises, I REALLY think he planned to stick to his agenda. I REALLY think he believed what he was saying. He REALLY wanted to make these changes.

Election day comes, he gets sworn into office. Suddenly hes faced with 1000 different things. And now it becomes clear to him that what he really wanted to do, isn't as easy as just doing it. It's a game, you can't just do what you want. It's like reality TV... there's alliances, people trying to fuck others over, etc. etc.

It's not as easy as "OK troops, come home now!" I'm sure there is a LOT we don't know, and the choices hes making are based more on what we don't know than what we do. And it's probably not stuff Obama would just be like "OK country, here's the facts..."

I'm not saying he's right, I'm not saying he's wrong. I'm saying theres always another side to the story, but sometimes that other side can't be shared with everyone.

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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: milkman]
    #10104290 - 04/04/09 09:11 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

most presidents dont adhere to their campaign agendas they say that so they can be president, even if obama wants fix things it will take a long time like years long its been a few months, everything changes in time

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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: milkman]
    #10104440 - 04/04/09 10:02 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: DontPlay]
    #10104917 - 04/04/09 11:57 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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DontPlay said:
All I can say is your entitled to your opinion. Some people need to wake up and realize that our government is LEAST concered about us. If you haven't noticed alot of things he and MANY OTHERS talk about have happened.

Alex jones warned us of 9/11 before it happened and guess what it did. The current economy problem was no accident, they are doing it on purpose...collapse the economy in other country's and they will all be begging for help and in comes the new world order one world government.

Quit using the term conspiracy theory as its not made up stuff there are plenty of fact's proving most of it is coming. You have no idea and if your to iggnorant to believe it or even give the benefit of the doubt then you are already a slave of the elitist.



William Cooper warned us, hell, Alex Collier sais if we didn't shape uo before August 2001 we'd be attacked! Jones isn't the massiah, he is a fear monger with no credentials, Cooper was in Naval Intel, and they had him killed.

Denouncing all conspiricies as loony is ignorant, I mean, the Mexican American war, Iraq, WWII involvement, Vietnam War they were all started on the bases of lies. Nixon had his Plumbers, Hoover had people following people, the government is full of liars and evil. Look at FEMA camps, they hold you prisoner there!


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: doom876]
    #10104982 - 04/04/09 12:08 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Obama is a very charismatic liar ,I dont look down on anyone caught up in his tall tales....take a look at the thread I posted today about his current plot to completely disregard all public opinion..........he is deception at its finest.

  We dont need to give him time ,he is more than willing to let us know we count for nothing now.Wait untill he really gets wound up and starts ruling like a dictator.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: unretarded]
    #10105022 - 04/04/09 12:17 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

what sort of a president would please you?


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #10105090 - 04/04/09 12:32 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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what sort of a president would please you?



None, politics is the engine of the influential to manipulate the populace and make crummy, pointless laws. All political decisions could be made by an algorithmic, easy process. It's more complex then this, but these should be the first things to be done. Implement the scientific method. We make laws that are to complex without reading them(Patriot Act)
1. Is the law necessary?
2. What are the reasons and info behind the law?
-look at facts to see weather the law is based on morality, or fact
3. Will the law needlessly oppress or help a group of people?


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: doom876]
    #10105123 - 04/04/09 12:39 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

as soon as there's no law and no ruler (king, prime minister, president, dictator) human society begins to fight until one rises up again. that's it.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #10105127 - 04/04/09 12:40 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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what sort of a president would please you?



Its not about pleasing me ,it about the American people.........
Nobody is happy with what he is doing ,the only people who support him are the ones that got sold on his lies and dont want to look bad ,so they will ride the dead horse untill the end claiming just give him time ,untill time is up ,then they go away back into the woodwork ,just like it has happened soo many times before....nothing new here.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: unretarded]
    #10105142 - 04/04/09 12:43 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

isn't the "american" people made up of different races & refugees who all have experienced different governments & regimes? basically that sounds like an ideal population who could vote for multiple candidates. you sound a bit pessimistic. i'm not endorsing obama here though, i don't give a shit really.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: unretarded]
    #10105222 - 04/04/09 01:01 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Obama is a very charismatic liar ,I dont look down on anyone caught up in his tall tales....take a look at the thread I posted today about his current plot to completely disregard all public opinion..........he is deception at its finest.

  We dont need to give him time ,he is more than willing to let us know we count for nothing now.Wait untill he really gets wound up and starts ruling like a dictator.




You are fucking high.  :toomuchacid:


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Sunny]
    #10105316 - 04/04/09 01:24 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

America isn't really that diverse opinion wise, it's a predominantly Christian, white country with a history of being massively BSed by who they(we) elect.
That may happen, if people let it. This isn't the barbarian days though, so we can probably stave off something like that. People aren't pure evil, and if everyone is accounted for, and somewhat content, then there would be less chance of someone ruining it(a repaired society where the wealth doesn't seem to flow uphill most all the time) or us letting that happen.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: doom876]
    #10105342 - 04/04/09 01:31 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

i think due to the christian background americans have been dumbed down through the years, primarily due to the school system, which is a joke and a failure.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: WakeboardrB]
    #10105363 - 04/04/09 01:38 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I'm sorry but


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #10105407 - 04/04/09 01:50 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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i think due to the christian background americans have been dumbed down through the years, primarily due to the school system, which is a joke and a failure.




Now ,I do agree with that 100 percent.
But its not the only cause.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: d33p]
    #10105412 - 04/04/09 01:52 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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woot mises, hayek, rothbard, etc





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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #10106033 - 04/04/09 04:26 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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i think due to the christian background americans have been dumbed down through the years, primarily due to the school system, which is a joke and a failure.



that's part of the so called conspiracy, the people in charge arent even christians. They made up a religion, that uses all the glitz and glam of christianity,only it's more about money than spirituality. Now theyve got all these followers caught up in a lie.Separation of church and state my ass.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #10106934 - 04/04/09 07:48 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

i finally got bored enough to watch this. i still don't like alex jones, but i have to say, this documentary was a far cry from some of his previous ones. much less "conspiracy theory," many more credible facts and interviews, and overall, it was pretty convincing. minus the gloom and doom...i can't stand his "this is the end of the world!" thing. there are many criminals in our government, that is true, but a new world order is not the apocalypse he makes it out to be.

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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: JT]
    #10106960 - 04/04/09 07:54 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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much less "conspiracy theory,"



Yeah except his claim that global warming is a "psudo-science"

Too bad he has no idea what the fuck he is talking about.  Its real science, i have taken a couple classes on global warming.  What the fuck does alex jones know about scientific research?  Obviously jack fucking shit.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #10107017 - 04/04/09 08:03 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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much less "conspiracy theory,"



Yeah except his claim that global warming is a "psudo-science"

Too bad he has no idea what the fuck he is talking about.  Its real science, i have taken a couple classes on global warming.  What the fuck does alex jones know about scientific research?  Obviously jack fucking shit.



i honestly believe that global warming as we know it is a pseudo science, yes theyre tracking the trends, but what's with this campaign telling us we can fix it? The earth goes through climate changes with or without us being here. I think we just happen to be in a warming trend. it happens :shrug:


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #10107046 - 04/04/09 08:09 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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much less "conspiracy theory,"



Yeah except his claim that global warming is a "psudo-science"

Too bad he has no idea what the fuck he is talking about.  Its real science, i have taken a couple classes on global warming.  What the fuck does alex jones know about scientific research?  Obviously jack fucking shit.



i honestly believe that global warming as we know it is a pseudo science, yes theyre tracking the trends, but what's with this campaign telling us we can fix it? The earth goes through climate changes with or without us being here. I think we just happen to be in a warming trend. it happens :shrug:



We cause excess CO2 by cutting down swaths of forest and emitting our own, plus our practices like putting further creators of the gas on land where forest used to be. It's not necessarily warming, since the melting of the ice caps will leave Europe frozen from the redirect of the ocean's currents.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: doom876]
    #10107118 - 04/04/09 08:20 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Listen very very carefully to Ron Paul .





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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #10107657 - 04/04/09 10:13 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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much less "conspiracy theory,"



Yeah except his claim that global warming is a "psudo-science"

Too bad he has no idea what the fuck he is talking about.  Its real science, i have taken a couple classes on global warming.  What the fuck does alex jones know about scientific research?  Obviously jack fucking shit.



i honestly believe that global warming as we know it is a pseudo science, yes theyre tracking the trends, but what's with this campaign telling us we can fix it? The earth goes through climate changes with or without us being here. I think we just happen to be in a warming trend. it happens :shrug:




honestly, i've done the reading, and i really don't know what to think about global warming. in my college courses, i've had several professors who consider it a quasi-science, citing the fact that we are coming out of an ice age and the warming during the 1600's alex jones mentioned in the movie. then again, my mom works at AEP integrating windfarms across the US and deals with the field a lot, and she is totally convinced. i support clean energy, but i'm not sure if taxing the hell out of the other power industries is exactly fair. especially considering that clean power has a relatively low yield right now. i think the best idea would be to go nuclear, but it costs so damn much and the regulations are so prohibitive that building a new nuclear plant is nearly impossible even for multi-billion dollar corporations like AEP.

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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: JT]
    #10107673 - 04/04/09 10:16 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Most alternative energies are way too costly and inefficient. Ex. Wind only works in places that... have wind.

As for nuclear, UW-Madison (and others) are working on utilizing plasma as an energy source but it won't be viable for the entire nation for like 40 years.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: learningtofly]
    #10107853 - 04/04/09 10:57 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

hahahahahaahhah from alex jones
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The Zionist movement, as it is well documented, funded Hitler before World War Two


okay i can't take him seriously anymore... Jews funding Hitler? C'mon now thats just crazy.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/Pages/Sept05/130905Galloway.htm


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: learningtofly]
    #10109238 - 04/05/09 07:44 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

you know what else is crazy? they put drugs in your water :GASP:


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: doom876]
    #10111063 - 04/05/09 03:23 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

The earth emits infared energy.  CO2 is a gas just like H2O and CH4 that has the ability to absorb that wave length of light energy.  So now instead of this infared energy going out into space and dissipating, its being trapped to the earths surface.  So this trapped heat from excess CO2 (from us humans) is the result of rising temps on a global scale.  There are also contributing factors like deforestation which creates even more CO2 in the air, because trees are not converting it to oxygen via respiration. 

Its a lot more complicated than that, but this is the main jist of the it all.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: JT]
    #10111086 - 04/05/09 03:30 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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i've had several professors who consider it a quasi-science



Yeah which professors?

I'm just curious because mine doesn't think so...
http://fp.arizona.edu/kkh/bio.htm


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #10111164 - 04/05/09 03:44 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Didnt you get the memo, its actually global cooling.

http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/is-global-cooling-the-next-real-threat


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Tedwilto]
    #10111232 - 04/05/09 04:01 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Jones is retarded.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Tedwilto]
    #10111321 - 04/05/09 04:16 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Didnt you get the memo, its actually global cooling.

http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/is-global-cooling-the-next-real-threat



The only threat i see of global cooling is the melting of ice caps.  Causing the ocean to have a lower salinity that it does now.  The salinity of the water is vital to the thermohaline circulation which is apart of climate.  Its responsible for the ocean currents.  For example the gulf stream brings warm water from the gulf up to the atlantic warming the UK and scandonavia.  If that circulation is bent out of whack from the waters salinity changing from the ice melting, this would cause western europe to be as cold is its longitudinal counter parts in canada.  Thats just the gulf stream, it would lead to global cooling, thats all i see personally from a threat of global cooling.


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    #10111729 - 04/05/09 05:27 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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    #10111800 - 04/05/09 05:37 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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    #10111816 - 04/05/09 05:41 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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people like you make it easy for this transition to happen. good work



true story. There's no reason to convince them, for every 10 that dont believe there will be one or two that you wake up.


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    #10111885 - 04/05/09 05:50 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Right. I suppose people can only wake up when they are ready. Now is the time.




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    #10111900 - 04/05/09 05:51 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Alex Jones is the biggest fuckin fear monger ever.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: dr_gonz]
    #10112452 - 04/05/09 07:23 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Its already 1984.  Now there just needs to be time to gradually get people to think its the "right thing to do, for the safety of our homeland."  To forget about individual rights, that the nation is what is important, not the individual.  Basically the EXACT OPPOSITE of what our nation was founded on.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: dr_gonz]
    #10112549 - 04/05/09 07:40 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Alex Jones goes way too far in saying that EVERYTHING is a conspiracy and he becomes pretty hard to take seriously. Of course saying there are NO conspiracies is equally naive. I'd say the truth lies somewhere beneath the crazy rants of Alex Jones and the naive mewlings of conspiracy deniers.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: dr_gonz]
    #10112619 - 04/05/09 07:54 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

ha you're just down with whatever is anti-establishment arent you.  The guy at the protest whose got a stash of signs of any cause in a closet at his house, "hey guys whats going on today? Oh alex jones is saying some shit, here let me get my 'I speak in short arrogant sentences sign', that way I don't have to show or explain anything just claim that I am correct"

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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: dr_gonz]
    #10113219 - 04/05/09 09:32 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Redstorm said:
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dr_gonz said:
Right. I suppose people can only wake up when they are ready. Now is the time.




People have been essentially saying these same words ever since language existed. Obviously their track record isn't good.




COOL!



without those people we would be way worse than we are.


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #10114688 - 04/06/09 04:07 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

That is speculation.

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    #10114844 - 04/06/09 05:24 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: dr_gonz]
    #10114850 - 04/06/09 05:30 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Making broad claims without objective evidence or support is by definition speculation.

If I said we would be better without all of these people, it would be speculation as well.

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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Redstorm]
    #12915165 - 07/18/10 12:05 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: thatiAM]
    #12915191 - 07/18/10 12:13 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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I normally do not like this guy but he is pretty spot on about
this censorship that is taking place. Not just on his video but
countless bloggs are being shut down all across the web.

When the fuck are you people going to get pissed off??

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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: DeadHearts]
    #12915243 - 07/18/10 12:27 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

which blogs are being shut down?


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Taco Chef]
    #12915340 - 07/18/10 12:57 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

You should know better than to ask those people for evidence...


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: WakeboardrB]
    #12915408 - 07/18/10 01:17 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

http://torrentfreak.com/u-s-authorities-shut-down-wordpress-host-with-73000-blogs-100716/

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You should know better than to ask those people for evidence...




good call!:facepalm:

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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: golden1]
    #12915413 - 07/18/10 01:19 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

the person that made this movie is ALEX JONES, a nutcase that thinks 80 percent of the world is going to be wiped out by the food industry!!! dont listen to this garbage


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: golden1]
    #12915529 - 07/18/10 01:49 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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http://torrentfreak.com/u-s-authorities-shut-down-wordpress-host-with-73000-blogs-100716/

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You should know better than to ask those people for evidence...




good call!:facepalm:




LOL

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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #22981533 - 03/07/16 02:18 AM (8 years, 13 days ago)

A good movie with an intriguing storyline. But my family and I always prefer the variety with a good selection of films from the least to the greatest, it is necessary to use the portal http://viooz.as/ . You can find all of your favorite classics but new products in 2016. With excellent quality of HD to the latest 4K!

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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Triton79]
    #22981580 - 03/07/16 03:01 AM (8 years, 13 days ago)

:lolsy: at the title!


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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Omegachrist]
    #22981591 - 03/07/16 03:34 AM (8 years, 13 days ago)

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yea, it won't seem to work for me.




Globalists :albundy:

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Re: Latest Alex Jones Film: "The Obama Deception" [Re: Turtletotem]
    #22981614 - 03/07/16 04:11 AM (8 years, 13 days ago)

:confused:

Edited by Triton79 (03/07/16 04:16 AM)

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