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InvisiblePrisoner#1
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Organic Food is great
    #9963912 - 03/13/09 09:51 AM (15 years, 19 days ago)

but may no longer be available, monsanto has decided that we shouldnt be in control of what we eat, they they're the ones that know what's best for the consumer

It has language in it that appears to turn our farms into food
production facilities and allows them to decide our feed ratios
and types as well as our animal health regime and whether or not
and with what we can fertilize our ground ....

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-875

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s111-425

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Re: Organic Food is great [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9963945 - 03/13/09 09:59 AM (15 years, 19 days ago)

Organic food is crap.

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Re: Organic Food is great [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9963951 - 03/13/09 10:00 AM (15 years, 19 days ago)

Are they still trying to take away vitamins and herbal supplements?

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Re: Organic Food is great (moved) [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9963952 - 03/13/09 10:01 AM (15 years, 19 days ago)

This thread was moved from Off-Topic Discussion.

Reason:
posted this in the wrong forum

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Re: Organic Food is great [Re: idiotek]
    #9963976 - 03/13/09 10:07 AM (15 years, 19 days ago)

Quote:

1d10t3k said:
Are they still trying to take away vitamins and herbal supplements?





nope, this has more to do with bankrupting small natural
growers, gives some 'enforcement officer' the ability to seize a
crop for detention, appeals for a hearing filed no later than 5
days, indefinite period of time before the hearing by which time
the crops may be unsuitable for human consumption, this is one
of those acts that could lead to famine in the US

it has provisions for establishment of a food safety
administration because apparently the FDA just isnt enough, also
covers food tracking, things like the RFID for cattle may be
included, I've only glanced over parts of the bull so far but
I'm disliking what I see in much of the house bill

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Re: Organic Food is great [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9964232 - 03/13/09 11:14 AM (15 years, 19 days ago)

The link didn't work for me (the site was down).

So your claim is that this bill will force farmers into buying Montsanto seed and use their growing techniques?


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Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436

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Re: Organic Food is great [Re: badchad]
    #9964258 - 03/13/09 11:21 AM (15 years, 19 days ago)

they must be getting hit with a lot of traffic over this

it does a lot of things, most are redundant legislation,
inspections for instance, it also limits civil liabilities for
producers that distribute contaminated food to no more than
$1mil, and that is through the decision of an administrator not the courts,
allows of 'informal hearings' with only 2 days notice for producers
to contest the seizures of food products but in the legislation it
continues to refer to 'people' not companies or corporations, as
though it's aimed at the smaller producers but also has no provisions for prosecution when a 'person' or company willfully allows food that's knowingly contaminated into the market

I'm still reading

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Re: Organic Food is great [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9964295 - 03/13/09 11:29 AM (15 years, 19 days ago)

Check out the states that the cosponsors are from :facepalm:


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Re: Organic Food is great [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9964306 - 03/13/09 11:32 AM (15 years, 19 days ago)

One of the bills is 117 pages so I'm probably not going to read the entire thing.

It appears these are a set of new "food guidelines" for ensuring safety by eliminating food borne illness etc. etc.

How does this have anything to do with Montsanto?  These should effect the "food producer" regardless of where he/she gets his seed.

Or am I reading incorrectly and not arrived at a series of exclusions?


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...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge.  It is an indellible experience; it is forever known.  I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did.

Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436

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    #9964381 - 03/13/09 11:53 AM (15 years, 19 days ago)

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Re: Organic Food is great [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9964518 - 03/13/09 12:23 PM (15 years, 19 days ago)

god i hate monsanto. they have been fucking small farmers in the ass for years, forcing them to destroy their seed stockpiles because of alleged contamination with monstanto's patented genetically engineered seed. doesn't matter if it was transported by wind, its still the farmers fault :rolleyes: god damn i hate those guys

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    #9964536 - 03/13/09 12:26 PM (15 years, 19 days ago)

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Re: Organic Food is great [Re: badchad]
    #9964574 - 03/13/09 12:30 PM (15 years, 19 days ago)

Quote:

badchad said:
One of the bills is 117 pages so I'm probably not going to read the entire thing.

It appears these are a set of new "food guidelines" for ensuring safety by eliminating food borne illness etc. etc.

How does this have anything to do with Montsanto?  These should effect the "food producer" regardless of where he/she gets his seed.

Or am I reading incorrectly and not arrived at a series of exclusions?





understand that monsanto doesnt just manufacture seed for human food crops, much of their seed if for livestock feed, they also manufacture herbicide resistant varieties of some grains in addition to 'soil amendments', the new legislation is open to abuse and if you do a little checking you'll see that there are employees that migrate from the FDA to monsanto and back

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(c) Regulations- Not later than 1 year after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Administrator, in consultation with the Secretary of Agriculture and representatives of State departments of agriculture, shall promulgate regulations to establish science-based minimum standards for the safe production of food by food production facilities. Such regulations shall--

(1) consider all relevant hazards, including those occurring naturally, and those that may be unintentionally or intentionally introduced;

(2) require each food production facility to have a written food safety plan that describes the likely hazards and preventive controls implemented to address those hazards;

(3) include, with respect to growing, harvesting, sorting, and storage operations, minimum standards related to fertilizer use, nutrients, hygiene, packaging, temperature controls, animal encroachment, and water;

(4) include, with respect to animals raised for food, minimum standards related to the animal’s health, feed, and environment which bear on the safety of food for human consumption;



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Re: Organic Food is great [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
    #9964586 - 03/13/09 12:32 PM (15 years, 19 days ago)

Quote:

supernovasky said:
Hendostan, they're not forced to destroy anything. They're just not given the organic label.





incorrect, there's plenty of GMO crops that are certified organic,
monsanto, ConAgra, HJ Heinz all have a big stake in the organic
market, they produce about 90% of it's offerings

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Re: Organic Food is great [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
    #9964612 - 03/13/09 12:39 PM (15 years, 19 days ago)

Quote:

supernovasky said:
Much adieu about nothing.




5% of the total in pest control and fertilizer can be chemical
in nature under current regulations because of this same sort of
broad regulation, this establishes a new agency in government
that handles what a currently existing one is supposed to be, it
restates legislation that has been passed several times over
through various acts regarding inspections, regulation, health
and safety... if the government would ust do what they're
already being paid to do, we wouldnt have to worry about food
borne pathogens



Quote:

I don't mind the new guidelines, and this comes from someone who loves organic food.





you're not a farmer

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Re: Organic Food is great [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9964661 - 03/13/09 12:47 PM (15 years, 19 days ago)

So let me get this straight (from a non-farmer perspective). 

The government wants to set forth "minimum standards" for food safety (e.g. don't let the cow shit on the lettuce, don't feed the cows aluminum cans).

Your contention is that the "minimum standards" are a ploy to force you into farming practices you believe are excessive and/or restrictive?


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...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge.  It is an indellible experience; it is forever known.  I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did.

Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436

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Re: Organic Food is great [Re: badchad]
    #9964677 - 03/13/09 12:51 PM (15 years, 19 days ago)

Everyone ,but Prisoner needs to do alot of reading......:nonono:


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    #9964684 - 03/13/09 12:52 PM (15 years, 19 days ago)

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    #9964697 - 03/13/09 12:55 PM (15 years, 19 days ago)

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Re: Organic Food is great [Re: badchad]
    #9964717 - 03/13/09 12:59 PM (15 years, 19 days ago)

Quote:

badchad said:
So let me get this straight (from a non-farmer perspective). 

The government wants to set forth "minimum standards" for food safety (e.g. don't let the cow shit on the lettuce, don't feed the cows aluminum cans).




cows on the lettuce, what about the migrant workers picking the
lettuce, what about the human waste solids that the government
is encouraging farmers to use on pastures which is in turn
killing those cows... I use cow, horse and chicken shit on my
crops and no one has been poisoned

Quote:

Your contention is that the "minimum standards" are a ploy to force you into farming practices you believe are excessive and/or restrictive?




no, I believe the guidelines are too broad and prone to abuse
just as with most other laws

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