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TheHauntingSoul
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Warning to all psych noobs <2-3 years
#9963603 - 03/13/09 07:54 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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You probably think you have your shit under control. You are probably pretty cocky and confident that you are the master of the psych mindstate. Trust me, I've been there. I've been in situations where I planned out a trip and everything fell apart but I dosed anyways because hey, I'm on top of my shit, I'll keep in under control.
I used to think psychedelics were harmless because they don't damage your body in any way but the truth is exactly the opposite. Physical damage is shitty, sure, but you can still be happy, you can still think properly and socialize. Maybe you have a horrible cough from smoking but beyond that you are happy.
Far too many times I've decided to just 'go for it' because I had been planning on tripping for so long and it was just major inconvenient for me that my plans fell apart.
Let me phrase it loud and clear: DONT TAKE ANY FUCKING CHANCES!
"But its just a bad trip" You might say. "When it's over it's over" and you know what? I have alot of friends who still think that way, and I used to be completely convinced that it was the truth but you are lying to yourself if this is what you think.
It is not just 'over' when its over. A bad trip will fuck you up for a long time. Its not just a laughable game of 'good/bad trip'. I have had my fair share of SEVERELY FUCKED UP SITUATIONS. To discuss a few:
1: 3 friends, 4.3 grams mush each. One buddy was lying on the floor, complete ego loss, me and other two are confused as shit. My parents come home to find this shit going on and friend 1 peaces. We have to call this guy (marc)'s parents. His mom comes over and I have to watch (While tripping HARD I might add) her hold him and cry and plead with him to wake up. I have to tell her we took mushrooms, and she has no idea about them, thinks he is in serious trouble. It goes on but...
2: I've been chased by about 6 guys who wanted to kick the shit out of me while carrying my $1600 laptop in my bag. And i was on about 2 grams of mush
3: Took acid at a huge family gathering up at a cottage because there were a few friends there my age. It was a horrible scene. Had to confront all sorts of family members (I have over 15 aunts& uncles, each pair has at least 3 kids, most of which are alot younger than me) I had awkward situations with just about every family member. Not only that but this dumb fuckin dude who i gave acid to started flipping out, came into my room and took more acid/mush from me, and tried to fight me out in the forest later. Spent most of the trip lost in the forest.
4: 2 pills of e, 2.5 hits of acid on the comedown. Life started skipping ahead by years at a time, got to the point where my friends were all middle aged and were about to kill me and it was because i chose drugs as my path.
Thats just a few off the top of my head, but let me tell you, its certainly not just 'over when its over'. #4 happened mid summer last year, and I'm still fucked up over it socially and psychologically. I really wish I had been careful because now when I do psychs I sketch out really bad, and I get terrified of more bad trips.
So yeah just some food for thought for you noobs, for god's sake dont take any risks, Dont assume a single god damn thing, and don't think you can handle your psychedelics.
The biggest mistake you can ever make is thinking you are in control. Always be wary, psychedelics are devilish tricksters
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libertaire
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Re: Warning to all psych noobs <2-3 years [Re: TheHauntingSoul]
#9963615 - 03/13/09 08:00 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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In other words. Set and setting. If you're going to a family gathering, why the fuck would you take acid? If you know your parents will be home, why the fuck would take shrooms? Don't be dumb and everything will be fine. Be dumb, and your life will suck.
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TheHauntingSoul
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Re: Warning to all psych noobs <2-3 years [Re: libertaire]
#9963636 - 03/13/09 08:05 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oh I am well aware that those were all stupid decisions, my point was just that at the time I thought I could handle it. Don't make that mistake
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Angel_Above
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Re: Warning to all psych noobs <2-3 years [Re: libertaire]
#9963643 - 03/13/09 08:07 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks for your concern, but I learned my lesson of tripping at a party.
I'm 19, but at the party years went by and all I did was do drugs.
it was a sign that I won't do drugs my whole life; well, not taht I won't but that I shouldn't.
I've come to accept that one day I will quit.
Just don't see why I would quit when I'm still growing? And through the trainwrecks you learn how to handle your shit. Never again will I trip at a party, or around family, etc.
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Re: Warning to all psych noobs <2-3 years [Re: Angel_Above]
#9963677 - 03/13/09 08:21 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yah, it can be bad, but those sound like some pretty shitty decisions on your own part. These days I'm very careful to plan my trips well, and I don't hesitate to cancel if it seems wrong, and it can still go bad. Just cause you are in a good mindset and a good setting doesn't guarantee anything. Just go into the trip with no expectations is the best advice I can offer to avoid a bad trip (besides the obvious). You'll often set yourself up for disappointment and/or confusion. When it's all said and done though, I've still never regretted for a second any of my trips.
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Blow_in
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Re: Warning to all psych noobs <2-3 years [Re: libertaire]
#9963737 - 03/13/09 08:46 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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libertaire said: In other words. Set and setting. If you're going to a family gathering, why the fuck would you take acid? If you know your parents will be home, why the fuck would take shrooms? Don't be dumb and everything will be fine. Be dumb, and your life will suck.
QFT and op there all kinds of disclaimer out there to warn people of not taking these substance in these kinds of setting, and you are dead on sometimes when its over its just begun. All in all a good cautionary tale (:plur;)
Edited by Blow_in (03/13/09 10:13 AM)
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MushroomTrip
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Re: Warning to all psych noobs <2-3 years [Re: TheHauntingSoul]
#9963791 - 03/13/09 09:07 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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I can hardly see how psychedelics are responsible for all the stupid situations YOU put yourself into. Of course that you are in control, you're the only one in control for your own life. You have the ability to make things right and accomplish lots of positive things, as well as you can completely fuck things up for yourself. Again, I fail to see how psychedelics are "tricksters". All I can see are some personal responsibility issues.
I think it is a good idea to know yourself and how different substances and dosages affect you, in order to be able to determine how far you can go and why you want to go there, but stating that someone can't have control over themselves is pure bullshit in my opinion. By all means contradict me if you can and want, but don't use arguments like "if you can't handle tripping with 30 aunts and uncles and cousins, then it means that you're not the one who's in control".  Surely you're the one in control, you're the one who decides when to trip and in which circumstances. Psychedelics are not to blame for someone's poor judgment.
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Re: Warning to all psych noobs <2-3 years [Re: MushroomTrip]
#9964020 - 03/13/09 10:20 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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i think hes trying to say that bad trips cause problems later on, and from having these bad experiences its messed him up, am i right?
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TheHauntingSoul
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Re: Warning to all psych noobs <2-3 years [Re: MushroomTrip]
#9964026 - 03/13/09 10:21 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah no I totally agree with you that some people can have it under control, I guess I didnt think too hard before writing.
I was mainly addressing this to the stupid kids who THINK they have it under control. I am certainly not trying to blame drugs for my stupid decisions.
My big point was that a stupid decision can have FUCKED UP consequences when it involves psychedelics.
I still don't regret having tripped, it is a fantastic experience and there is alot of positive, but I just figured that by posting this up it might save 1 or 2 otherwise poor decision makers from a horrible trip, and possibly even a few years of psychological shit because of it.
I agree it was fucking retarded to trip in that situation, although its not as bad of a decision as it soudns as they were all in one cottage and that place is a little cottage hamlet where there is lots to wander around and explore and stay the hell away from the parents type of thing.
Mainly i was just bored as shit at work and I figured I would post this up just in case there are some kids who still think that psychedelics are toys or something.
Moral of the story: Always respect the psychedelics. Thinking you have total control CAN (Not always, but definately sometimes) Lead to incredibly poor judgement as to set/setting that you think you can handle
Didn't really mean to bash psychs at all if thats what it seemed like, I was just tryin to establish how important it is to be really careful by illustrating what shit situations my poor decisions have gotten me into.
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krypto2000
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Re: Warning to all psych noobs <2-3 years [Re: TheHauntingSoul]
#9964047 - 03/13/09 10:27 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yah, I see your point, and agree.
I do think, though this is obviously just from my experience, that over time no issues will remain, unless you've become schizo or something, which from what I gather, will happen to you likely anyways if that is the case.
I've had rather traumatic experiences, sometimes took me over 6+ months to get over, but I eventually did and was better than ever for it. Your damage sounds worse than mine was probably though, but I can only assume they're the same 'type' of damage if you will, mine just healed faster. All it is is new thoughts/thought patterns you learn, that can be uncomfortable or take some time to get used to, but once I do I'm always better for it when it's all said and done.
So, the point I'm making here is if a week after you tripped and you feel... like you made a mistake, you haven't. You can't go back in change the past, just know it will get better. Also, I find one of the biggest 'mistakes' is me telling myself I've made a mistake, and that I have 'problems' when actually... the only problem is myself saying those things. Holding me back, keeping me from moving on. There's lots to be gained from tripping, but there's also alot of false things that we (I) try to explain. Sometimes they can be explained, sometimes they can't, and often times it's just not worth investing the time to do so.
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sh4d0ws
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Re: Warning to all psych noobs <2-3 years [Re: krypto2000]
#9964082 - 03/13/09 10:36 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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I love how you're encouraging EVERYONE that thinks their experienced with psychedelics to beware of the 'bad trip'. The truth is, you put yourself in the bad trip mindset for each one of those trips.
Also, those weren't properly planned out. Under NO circumstance should parents be coming home during a trip, hell why the fuck are you tripping in your parents house without them knowing. How old you?
Also, why the hell would you be on mushrooms, with 1600$ and a god damn laptop, and be getting chased by 6 guys.
My opinion is that psychedelics aren't for you, find a new hobby.
Everyone else in the world thats responsible has euphoric, ecstatic trips
edit: I didn't mean to come off as a dick or anything I'm just saying
perfect mindset, perfect setting = perfect tripping 
never ever take mushrooms if you are unsure if you should take them or not
Edited by sh4d0ws (03/13/09 10:41 AM)
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Re: Warning to all psych noobs <2-3 years [Re: sh4d0ws]
#9964093 - 03/13/09 10:39 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Everything you said is true (though the laptop cost 1600$ I think, he didn't have that much money), but that wasn't his point.
He's just warning people that there can be long term damage from psychedelics, and to not treat them like toys as he did.
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Re: Warning to all psych noobs <2-3 years [Re: TheHauntingSoul]
#9964190 - 03/13/09 11:04 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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In other words you did things while not tripping that got people to chance after you. You didn't use the right set/setting. Basically your blaming psychedelics because you were an ignorant "yeah im invincible" kid who was abusing psychedelics cuz their drugs. Sorry you had that stuff happen to you, but its NOT psychedelics, its you that fucked up here.
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Edited by Cognitive_Shift (03/13/09 11:06 AM)
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Re: Warning to all psych noobs <2-3 years [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#9964260 - 03/13/09 11:22 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've had some pretty hellish experiences on mushrooms. I've always been able to shrug them off almost as soon as I've come down, though.
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Re: Warning to all psych noobs <2-3 years [Re: LSDreamer]
#9964316 - 03/13/09 11:38 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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dont take acid at a family event? dont do shrooms at your friends parents house?
really?....i never new that...lol
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Re: Warning to all psych noobs <2-3 years [Re: syke]
#9964337 - 03/13/09 11:43 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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The handful of times I've had bad trips, oddly enough, had nothing to do with the set or setting. The worst trip (perhaps discounting my last trip I suppose), I was at my friends house when I was, I think 19, and his Dad was sleeping upstairs and he had a bunch of younger siblings roaming the house. By a bunch, I mean 2 young girls and his younger brother who didn't care. They were all (besides his brother and my friend) christian conservatives too. My mindset before this trip was great.
Anyways, this was the worst trip I've had by far, and it had nothing to do with the setting. Maybe if it were daytime and I were outside it wouldn't have happened, but back then I always had good trips inside at night. I couldn't have cared less about his family walking around, I was just freaking out and to them (keep in mind 'them' is his younger siblings who had no idea what was going on) I more or less didn't exist and just looked... weird. I dunno... no idea what they would have thought, I just was convinced I had died and gone to hell and was trying to figure out what I was and how time worked.
Anyways, that trip didn't have any negative effects on me, in the long run. I felt amazing the next day, though I did take a 8 or so month break from tripping after that. It really just depends though, and you can't control everything. Sometimes it'll just go bad and you just gotta learn to roll with it.
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Re: Warning to all psych noobs <2-3 years [Re: MushroomTrip]
#9964450 - 03/13/09 12:10 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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MushroomTrip said: I can hardly see how psychedelics are responsible for all the stupid situations YOU put yourself into. Of course that you are in control, you're the only one in control for your own life. You have the ability to make things right and accomplish lots of positive things, as well as you can completely fuck things up for yourself. Again, I fail to see how psychedelics are "tricksters". All I can see are some personal responsibility issues.
I think it is a good idea to know yourself and how different substances and dosages affect you, in order to be able to determine how far you can go and why you want to go there, but stating that someone can't have control over themselves is pure bullshit in my opinion. By all means contradict me if you can and want, but don't use arguments like "if you can't handle tripping with 30 aunts and uncles and cousins, then it means that you're not the one who's in control".  Surely you're the one in control, you're the one who decides when to trip and in which circumstances. Psychedelics are not to blame for someone's poor judgment.
Agreed completely. Tripping at a family gathering is perhaps the dumbest thing I've heard of in recent history.
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Re: Warning to all psych noobs <2-3 years [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#9964498 - 03/13/09 12:19 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cognitive_Shift said: In other words you did things while not tripping that got people to chance after you. You didn't use the right set/setting. Basically your blaming psychedelics because you were an ignorant "yeah im invincible" kid who was abusing psychedelics cuz their drugs. Sorry you had that stuff happen to you, but its NOT psychedelics, its you that fucked up here.
Sorry, but I completely agree with Cognitive. I'm a fairly new psych user as well but the first thing I learned was the setting/mindset was the most important which I've followed. Of course theres the chance of something going wrong, so I try to take as many precautions as possible to prevent such happenings. I definitely don't feel invincible, but I at LEAST attempt to remain in my comfort zone, otherwise I head back to home base.
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Re: Warning to all psych noobs <2-3 years [Re: TheHauntingSoul]
#9964510 - 03/13/09 12:23 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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You get out of a trip what you put into it....plain and simple.
I find tripping to mushrooms to be deeply spiritual and introspective.
I WOULD NEVER EVER TAKE MUSHROOMS IN PUBLIC. I know not to do this from experience, and also because my goal when I trip mushrooms is to learn more about myself. Some people take mushrooms just to "get fucked up" and "have a good time". Well, thats all good...but I know how mushrooms affect me. If, when I've ingested, I feel like walking around in public, then I would do it. I would never plan on putting myself in an uncomfortable situation though.
LSD is a completely different story for me. My mental state under acid is completely different than that on shrooms. I like to go to concerts on acid. But there still shit that I wouldn't do while dosing (specifically, mixing other drugs I haven't tried very often or with LSD before).
I agree with you that you should never go into any situation thinking you'll always be in control. Its your responsibility to know what situations you can and (most likely) can't handle.
If someone offers you mushrooms at a friends house and you have nervous feelings and reservations about doing it....maybe you should listen to those feelings.
Its ok to say no, and to do things on your own terms.
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Re: Warning to all psych noobs <2-3 years [Re: BrainChemistry]
#9964652 - 03/13/09 12:46 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Knowing your own limitations is very important when dealing with drugs of such immense power. I was offered salvia last weekend and I declined even though I was really yearning for a trip. There was 16 people in a basement watching whoever hit it trip out, terrible vibes.
Likewise I never want to go into public situations on mushrooms.
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