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shroomzey
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Tabernanthe Iboga (Ibogaine)
#9955188 - 03/11/09 10:01 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Does anyone here have any experience cultivating this plant, or may know of any good resources?
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Re: Tabernanthe Iboga (Ibogaine) [Re: shroomzey]
#9955234 - 03/11/09 10:07 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Edited by AgingHippy (03/11/09 10:08 PM)
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Re: Tabernanthe Iboga (Ibogaine) [Re: AgingHippy]
#9955383 - 03/11/09 10:26 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Both. =) There was a post here about 6 years ago or something listing the information you posted... Thank you very much though. I haven't been able to find any more information regarding cultivation other than that page. After spending a decent amount of time researching ibogaine and it's benefits... it is really sad to see it still @ Schedule 1. But, we all already understand the reasons...
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Re: Tabernanthe Iboga (Ibogaine) [Re: shroomzey]
#9955504 - 03/11/09 10:44 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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well don't word anything so it specifically looks like you're asking for sources since it's not allowed in this forum 
ill do a little searching for you as far as iboga cultivation
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Re: Tabernanthe Iboga (Ibogaine) [Re: AgingHippy]
#9955579 - 03/11/09 10:58 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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teefizzle said: well don't word anything so it specifically looks like you're asking for sources since it's not allowed in this forum 
ill do a little searching for you as far as iboga cultivation
Thanks, and yeah I've been searching as well without much new information. This is what I've been able to find so far:
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Tabernanthe iboga cultivation
Family: Apocynaceae
Tabernanthe iboga, is a plant that grows wild in forests around Africa. The Australian relative is in the closely related genus Tabernaemontana, which also grows in many other countries, especially Tabernaemontana orientalis
It has been used throughout the ages in rituals and ceromonies of the forests people. Interest has grown all over the world as this plant can cure addicts of their physical and mental addictions to Heroin and just about any addictive habit, and do it sometimes with 1 treatment!
Psycologists in Europe especially in the Netherlands have been using Ibogaine to treat many forms of mental illness as well.
The yellowish root is the hallucinogen, iboga, an African narcotic of growing social importance, especially in Gabon and vicinity.
Germination- criteria for germination.
A suggested method is to germinate in cottonwool and water (keeping this warm), then transplant to a warm dappled light environment. The seed generally incubates in a womb like cottonwooly fruit which putrifies after which the seeds start to take. Takes a while to germinate, about 2 months apparently. Rich black soil is best with maybe a little claymix? in both substrates -clay and loam. They use a chicken guano fertilizer but I am sure any fertilizar will work. Always keep warm and humid - out of direct light until older and at no stage let the plant get too cold - remember it's never even a little cool in Gabon, Africa. Basically try and emulate an equatorial rainforest environment. Dont drown it but keep it watered. A fine mist spray to soak the soil when it is still young. Someone mentioned letting it get a bit of air i think he was telling me not to stifle it. Well watered when beyond a yearling.
Be sure to heat sterilise all soils involved, to prevent incubating seeds from rotting in the ground.
Ibogaine: (C20H28N2O)
Ibogaine is not a substitute for narcotics or stimulants, is not addicting and is given in a single administration modality (SAM). It is a chemical dependence interrupter. Retreatment may occasionally be needed until the person being treated with Ibogaine is able to extinguish certain conditioned responses related to drugs they abuse. Early data suggests that a period of approximately two years of intermittent treatments may be required to attain the goal of long-term abstinence from narcotics and stimulants for many patients. The majority of patients treated with Ibogaine remain free from chemical dependence for a period of three to six months after a single dose. Approximately ten percent of patients treated with Ibogaine remain free of chemical dependence for two or more years from a single treatment and an equal percentage return to drug use within two weeks after treatment. Multiple administrations of Ibogaine over a period of time are generally more effective in extending periods of abstinence.
Reported to be apertif, aphrodisiac, CNS-stimulant, hallucinogenic, stimulant, and tonic, iboga is a folk remedy for convalescence, debility, fever, hypertension, neurasthenia.
Indole alkaloids comprise up to 6% of the dried root. Ibogaine (C20H26N2O), the main one, is a cholinesterase inhibitor, stimulating appetite and digestion, as well as hypotension. It is also a strong CNS-stimulant.
Not intended for illegal use. Please consult your local laws before ordering.
Federal law DEA schedule I Sec. 1308.11-(D)-17
Definition: 'Ibogaine...'
7-Ethyl-6,6,7,8,9,10,12,13-octahydro-2-methoxy-6,9-methano-5H-pyrido [1', 2':1,2] azepino [5,4-b] indole; Tabernanthe iboga (C20H26N2O)
State code 58-37-2
definition: (e) (i) "Controlled substance" means a drug or substance included in Schedules I, II, III, IV, or V of Section 58-37-4, and also includes a drug or substance included in Schedules I, II, III, IV, or V of the federal Controlled Substances Act, Title II, P.L. 91-513, or any controlled substance analog.
Note: Of more than 200 species of hallucinogenic plants only five legally prohibited from alkaloid extraction in the United States by Federal Law. Erythroxylum coca, Tabernanthe Iboga, Papaver somniferum 'Linnaeus', Cannabis sativa/indica 'viable', Lophophora williamsii 'Lemaire'
Family: Apocynaceae -- Voacanga
Most species have complex mixtures of alkaloids in the leaves, and not so complex mixtures in the bark and root bark, with Voacangine, Vobtusine and Voacamine types predominating. The seeds of many species however display amazing uniformity of alkaloid type across most of the genus.
In Voacanga africana, the alkaloid content has been reported as 5-10% in root bark, 4-5% in trunk bark, 0.3-0.45% in leaves and 1.5% in seeds.
Voacangine is a Ibogaine methyl-formate ester.
Family: Apocynaceae -- Tabernanthe afrighana
Tabernanthe afrighana is a tree specimen which grows wild in the tropical Ghana forests in Africa. This specimen was discovered by the Dutch in the Netherlands and confirmed by a botanist in Ghana. This specimen was officially botanically classified by Lambo Seeds. This specimen is a previously unknown and rare type of Tabernanthe grown below the jungles and tropical Ghana forest.
Ibogaine: C20H28N2O
The alkaloids are related to Ibogaine and as well as Tabernanthe iboga, and have the same psychopharmacology. The specimen seed is unknown in Ghana as a whole. Alkaloids may be contained in the root and tree bark of this specimen, however, the identity of these alkaloids has not been confirmed.
Tabernanthe afrighana plants and seeds are legal to cultivate and posess everywhere in the United States. There are no State or Federal laws or regulations anywhere on planet Earth, regarding this species.
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Isolation of Ibogaine from Tabernanthe iboga
from J Amer. Chem. soc #80: 123, 1958. In this case it was for the root/root bark of tabernanthe iboga used as the plant material, which may contain up to 2.5 % or 6 % alkaloids respectively. The plant material was extracted with methanol four times, filtered and the methanol reduced to a small volume. An equal amount of water and acetic acid solution is added and shaken with petroleum naphtha, which is then separated and backwashed with acetic acid solution.
All the aqueous phases are combined. The aqueous phases are reduced in volume, then basified with ammonia hydroxide. This is then extracted four times with ethylene dichloride (possibly chloroform too). The solvent is washed with water, dried and concentrated. An equal amount of ethanol is added and the whole reduced to the original volume, then about twice the amount of ethanol is added. After chilling in the fridge for two days or so, ibogaine crystallises out, and can be collected by filtration. The remaining liquid was again reduced in volume and re-chilled for a second crop of ibogaine.
Evaporation to dryness of the liquid yielded other alkaloids and residual ibogaine, which can be separated by chromatography, though can be laborious. To purify the ibogaine 100 mg of the crude ibogaine, as obtained above, was dissolved in 1 l of acetone, then 53.1 ml of 1:1 HCl was added, with ibogaine HCl precipitating (108 mg in this case) out straight away, this compound being relatively insoluble in acetone, compared to the base. Isolated by filtration.
ibogaine mp 151-153* C sol - ethanol, ether, chloroform, acetone
ibogaine HCl mp 299-300* C.
In tabernanthe iboga, ibogaine seems to be the most active and prominent alkaloid. In other species that are recorded as containing ibogaine, other alkaloids sometimes make up the majority of the alkaloids, with ibogaine being a minor component. Many related alkaloids however have a similar but not such strong action as ibogaine. The isolation of ibogaine from more complex mixtures of alkaloids may be a bit more tricky, especially if ibogaine is not a major component of the alkaloids.
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Re: Tabernanthe Iboga (Ibogaine) [Re: shroomzey]
#9955584 - 03/11/09 10:59 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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what are you looking for specifically, might be easier to find something
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Re: Tabernanthe Iboga (Ibogaine) [Re: AgingHippy]
#9955649 - 03/11/09 11:13 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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So are the fruits active if you eat them?
I'd hate to have a plant around and someone mistakenly eat one thinking it's a pepper
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Re: Tabernanthe Iboga (Ibogaine) [Re: AgingHippy]
#9955689 - 03/11/09 11:20 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm not sure, I remember reading somewhere that the plant leaves and steams are active, but the majority of the alkaloid is found in the root bark, preferably the inner layer(not the outer). Whether the fruits are active... who knows.
From the little information I've been able to scrap up, it seems the cultivation is kind of hard, and would take some 18 months before you'd want to harvest any said uses... Thankfully for me I'm somewhat near the Mexican board and access to an Ibogaine clinic shouldn't be too hard. A lot of this effort and research is for a friend who is also quite interested in Ibogaine... He's been stuck on opiates for 3 years now, hes been clean from heroin(I think) for one year now, but OC has ruled his addiction throughly... He is a great friend, and a great person, yet has been under some form of altered consciousness since he was 13. I also have more people than I can count on all phalanges that could benefit from this substance...
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Edited by shroomzey (03/11/09 11:22 PM)
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Re: Tabernanthe Iboga (Ibogaine) [Re: shroomzey]
#9955700 - 03/11/09 11:22 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I really want a plant, but I highly doubt I'd ever try eating it
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Re: Tabernanthe Iboga (Ibogaine) [Re: shroomzey]
#9955746 - 03/11/09 11:30 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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there is a video and a book about this stuff and some online stuff, you will have better luck searching journal type pubs than html style pages....
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Re: Tabernanthe Iboga (Ibogaine) [Re: shroomzey]
#28553724 - 11/23/23 08:52 AM (2 months, 4 days ago) |
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Great reply but may be a little late. Thread is nearly 15 years ago lol.
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Re: Tabernanthe Iboga (Ibogaine) [Re: SonicTitan]
#28553786 - 11/23/23 09:33 AM (2 months, 4 days ago) |
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Surprised his post is still here considering he's just promoting his site for ibogaine sales.
Isn't there some rules against that?
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Re: Tabernanthe Iboga (Ibogaine) [Re: DERRAYLD]
#28553933 - 11/23/23 11:12 AM (2 months, 4 days ago) |
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That's true, though he's technically not advertising sales of ibogaine but providing a link to his/her site that also provides information on it regarding ibogaine. Kinda skirting the line eh?
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