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Shroomery programming/math/etc. self-study peer(s)? If you want to mentor, that's fine too. 1
#9949620 - 03/11/09 12:44 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Who wants to study programming, math, system administration, etc. with someone else from shroomery?
Post in this thread detailing your interests, your current situation, how much time you and maybe someone will pair up with you over chat or email or maybe even PMs?
Programmers are by definition, indoor enthusiasts. But some (rare) might not be. It is important to specify whether you're glued to the internet and computer or if you're not. Some of us chat up a storm, others will only speak every now and then. Specify that too.
As of right now, I am very much an indoor enthusiast. I lost employment a few weeks ago, so I'm just drifting again until I find something else. I think I need to step my programming and math skills up far higher than they are right now. I am a beginner who reads programming blogs all the time so I know all about the advanced concepts (pointers, garbage collection, dynamic inheritance), but I have no experience with them aside from being able to parrot what I've read. I am going to change that. Starting now.
If you want to study with me, don't be lazy. We will both blaze through the books and put our heads together when certain problems are too hard for either of us. We might have different books or resources, which is fine. Since it's important that you and the person you study and build with get along, it's OK to tell someone "I don't think we'd be good study partners." It is pretty much assumed that you're going to end up friends with mutual interests and hobbies, so there's no sense in two people who don't communicate well to study with each other. First contact is an interview!
Announce your partnership in this thread once you've made one. Wanna make this a competition? Every partnership is expected to have a working application (just a small little thing, nothing big) within 9 months from the day you announce your partnership.
A good idea is to study with someone at the same general time every day or every period. So from 5-9 PM, you two could be partnering with each other on M, W, F. Let people know if you won't be able to "make it" on that day or not in advance. Don't just stand people up, that's rude. At least profusely apologize as soon as you get the chance. (Email is a good idea for this, so check your emails if your partner didn't make to the study session and didn't warn you. If you don't see them posting on here or online at all, then maybe something important happened. If you see them posting here, but no email in your inbox, or notification, then they're a dick.) If you at any point have to stop studying with someone else, tell them outright that your schedule has changed and you can't continue at the same pace (or time) as you have been before. Maybe you got a job, or are moving, or are starting school... I don't know. You don't need to tell your life story. If you can't reschedule, then find a new partner.
/// I'm at a point in my life where doing this will be easy and manageable for me. I'm not as disorganized as before and I'm slowly progressing to a very minimalist lifestyle where everything is in order. Perfect conditions for studying and compiling information.
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Re: Shroomery programming/math/etc. self-study peer(s)? If you want to mentor, that's fine too. [Re: seek]
#9949632 - 03/11/09 12:48 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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My main interests: Programming. Math. Engineering. My secondary interests: Music Drawing Organic Chemistry Writing
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Re: Shroomery programming/math/etc. self-study peer(s)? If you want to mentor, that's fine too. [Re: seek]
#9950582 - 03/11/09 09:16 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'd consider something like this. I wouldn't want to make any kind of formal commitment until... at least well.. I can't give a time period, but I'd like to try it out at first.
I know python fairly well, and a bit of C++ (though mostly have forgotten almost all of that, I could pick it up quickly).
Would you be interested in trying me out as a partner and going with Python at first? I can help you out, and in doing so it'd help me too.
I work 8-5, and don't have but so much free time after so I'm thinking 2-3 hours a day 1-2 days a week maybe, perhaps more on the weekend though. Work keeps me busy in and out (they drive me to get certifications, so I still must study outside of work).
The reason I like python is because, well.. it's easy as a beginning language. It's well used in Linux which is my main... 'Desktop' OS at home, and it's very flexible. My goal in the next... I dunno... 5 or so years is ideally I'd like to start my own website or application or something, and hope it can support myself so I wouldn't have to work, then I could expand my knowledge/revenue stream from there with the extra free time I have, or maybe just be content w/what I make and 'live life'
Lemme know man. Where did you wanna go with this btw? You do sound kinda... I dunno.. like you don't have much direction, and so I'd worry about commitment. I myself can't promise this either, at least till things get rolling which is why I.. well, don't wanna commit and just see how things go for awhile.
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Re: Shroomery programming/math/etc. self-study peer(s)? If you want to mentor, that's fine too. [Re: krypto2000]
#9955884 - 03/11/09 11:57 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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You are somewhat correct about my direction, because from where I am standing, there are many paths that I could choose and it will take some time to sample each path and choose the correct one. Python is perfect because I have two python books I bought from Amazon.
Python Programming: An Introduction to Computer Science [GREAT BOOK! Comes with a CD too!] Python Cookbook (O'Reilly) and an entire book on: Regular Expressions (O'Reilly)
We would do well to discuss the specifications, goals, and whatever over AIM or PM.
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Re: Shroomery programming/math/etc. self-study peer(s)? If you want to mentor, that's fine too. [Re: seek]
#9956871 - 03/12/09 06:13 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sure man, feel free to im/pm me, though you'd have to give me a time for aim. I used to just leave aim up all the time, but I got tired of that for various reasons. Kinda became like a cell phone and I'd end up talking to people for hours a night when I really didn't want to.
My aim s/n is in my profile.
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Re: Shroomery programming/math/etc. self-study peer(s)? If you want to mentor, that's fine too. [Re: krypto2000]
#9956899 - 03/12/09 06:30 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'd be quite interested in furthering my math/programming abilities.
I know a little C++ and Python (enough of each to do simple mathematical applications, the basics of programming) I'm also somewhat familiar with Maple and BASH scripting. I've used C++/PALib to create a few small (mostly useless) DS homebrews.
I'm a Physics student, so boosting my programming skills will undoubtedly help me in the future. Mathematical skills are also obviously a boon in my field. I'm mainly interested in learning Python through and through as it's quick, clear, and gets the job done.
I have access to several O'Reilly books on Python. I wouldn't be able to fit much more into week than a few hours, but if someone else is interested, shoot me a
Also, for anyone that doesn't know about it, ProjectEuler.net is a great resource for increasingly difficult mathematical problems to solve via code.
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Re: Shroomery programming/math/etc. self-study peer(s)? If you want to mentor, that's fine too. [Re: xdzt]
#9956989 - 03/12/09 07:23 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well, especially depending on how many people respond to this (I'm not thinking there's too many interested programmers on here), we could all 3 work together. That way if one is unavailable the other likely could be or yunno.. we could all play ideas off each other. 3 minds are better than one. Might even be better than 2, though 4 or 5 might be too many. Just a thought, lemme know what you guys think.
I do like the idea of having a schedule though as that would definitely help motivate me to keep at it instead of how I originally learned it which was 'oh, I've got some free time, I'll do some of this' which surprisingly worked well, but obviously, I fell out of it and did not want to.
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Re: Shroomery programming/math/etc. self-study peer(s)? If you want to mentor, that's fine too. [Re: krypto2000]
#9963705 - 03/13/09 08:33 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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So what's up guys, either of you 2 still down for this?
I work 8-5, normally busy on Thursdays till ~8ish, but otherwise my schedules flexible. I can clear a time, lemme hear suggestions. I'm thinking maybe we try and do something next week for an hour or 2 to just see how it goes. Maybe we should just organize shit and discuss the game plan rather than actually getting into programming, but it doesn't really matter for me. Lemme hear ideas! Don't quit this thing before it gets started.
Here's a smile for encouragement
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Re: Shroomery programming/math/etc. self-study peer(s)? If you want to mentor, that's fine too. [Re: krypto2000]
#9966318 - 03/13/09 06:30 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm down and was just about to IM you and the other person who PM'd me. Then I was about to email a third person to let him know what the deal was. I'm just tired as hell, but I want to do this soon so I can go to bed, haha.
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Re: Shroomery programming/math/etc. self-study peer(s)? If you want to mentor, that's fine too. [Re: seek]
#9966795 - 03/13/09 08:10 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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How about maybe a post of the week or something on these subjects? Not really having time to learn w/ someone I think it would be cool to post stuff in this forum regularly about interesting subjects in the areas you mentions.
We could assign turns and get folks to post interesting things in programing, chemistry, math, and applied sciences or whatever else.
Things like cool pictures, procedures, technology, whatever.
I would participate, and it might give folks motivation if they were assigned days or whatever, though obviously it would just be informal stuff.
Could be fun and spice up this forum with more traffic. (I'm sure mods wouldn't mind if we had some chem discussions in here to go along with the other threads if people want to do this. If the mods want it in chem though it wouldnt' be a big deal.)
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Re: Shroomery programming/math/etc. self-study peer(s)? If you want to mentor, that's fine too. [Re: johnm214]
#9966803 - 03/13/09 08:12 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Real chemistry should go in here. The other forum is for cookbook extraction, syths and the like.
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Re: Shroomery programming/math/etc. self-study peer(s)? If you want to mentor, that's fine too. [Re: DieCommie]
#9966893 - 03/13/09 08:27 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm not against the chem idea, but how did this get brought up? What's chemistry gotta do w/programming?
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Re: Shroomery programming/math/etc. self-study peer(s)? If you want to mentor, that's fine too. [Re: krypto2000]
#9972045 - 03/14/09 06:11 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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It was among the original poster's interests that he mentioned, so I suggested perhaps some would be interested in posting about stuff here.
Yeah, that could work, qubit. I actually like when people post there homework too, can figure out how much I'm forgetting as time goes on and I don't work with certain areas.
But the other forum is pretty much "how do I extract this from that" unfortunatly.
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Re: Shroomery programming/math/etc. self-study peer(s)? If you want to mentor, that's fine too. [Re: johnm214]
#9975514 - 03/15/09 10:12 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Good idea. I'm going to outline the resources I've been studying for a while and maybe somebody else is geeked enough to get into a back-and-forth with me, and if the stars align with the planets then maybe we can actually help each other or even collaborate.
Pure study is something I've done for far too long. So at this point, while much study remains (and will always remain), I really want to kick out something tangible. When it comes to actual projects, I've got some bits and pieces of computer programs which I've kinda-seriously been working on recently (say, last 8 months or so). I hope that they will eventually lead to some kind of career as a computer programmer. They fall into two main forks. The first is web applications. I have a few ideas for different web applications. First I started messing with Ruby/Rails, and then realized that the UI is just as important. So very recently (last couple months) I've been messing with JQuery - the javascript library. This seems like the best way to go for a web application - Ruby/Rails/Merb (rather than PHP) on the server, and JQuery for the ajax. I've also got a start on a pretty neat Shoes (the Ruby GUI library) web-app, in the sense that it connects to websites and gets data but doesn't run in a web browser - its a separate Shoes application.
The other fork is non-web apps. I have pretty outrageous pie-in-the-sky fantasies for some these. It has to do with audio/music analysis. And video/animation is the other side of that fantasy. But there are places here on earth from which to start. I've made very small progress on a ruby extension to deal with .wav files. the first step I have in mind is to display a spectrogram of the .wav file, as does Tapestrea. That program is of course open-source, but its C++ and extending it directly seems to be a pretty steep learning curve. I still need to the learn basics of C programming and .wav audio, etc. Hence my foray into creating a ruby extension. On the video/animation front I haven't started anything, but a place to start could be writing a FreeFrame plug-in or a winamp visualization plug-in. Actually, I think Processing may be the future on this front, see for example this music visualization from flight404 made with processing. So processing is something else i've been trying to pay attention to.
So although my highest aspiration is audio analysis, web apps are much more here and now, and i want to make a few to use myself anyway, so they are the priority at the moment. Audio analysis is much more interesting, and obviously involves a lot of math.
Before I dropped out of college, I wanted to go to grad school for something in computational/biophysical chemistry, quantum computation, or mathematical biology/bioinformatics. So I spent of lot of time trying to get a good grounding in advanced mathematics. I don't feel I ever achieved that, and that is probably a primary reason I ended up dropping out. Almost four years have passed since, and though I occasionally go back and try studying maths again, I'm not really sure how much progress I can say i've made. So take the following suggestions with a grain of salt. I can't say reading this stuff has worked for me but I haven't found anything better so I'm still going to recommend it.
So mathematics seems to be really unified. The way the various subfields are named seems to imply this. For example, take the three fields algebra, geometry, and topology. Well, there are also the fields algebraic geometry, algebraic topology, and geometric topology. Each one has its own wikipedia entry. And if you try to read them they are so interrelated that its difficult to know where to start. Very steep learning curve. What we need here is some kind of unified approach. Some kind of pedagogy.
Category Theory is that pedagogy.
But before I give some links on category theory, I want to motivate how a broad base in mathematics could be applied to many different fields. Take audio analysis. One of the basic ideas here, actually how you go from a .wav file to a spectrogram, is the Fourier Transform. Its one of the essential methods of Digital Signal Processing (DSP). One studies the fourier transform in the branch of math called functional analysis. Another thing one studies in functional analysis are Hilbert Spaces. But Hilbert Spaces are one of the fundamental concepts when learning Quantum Mechanics. So already we've linked DSP with quantum mechanics. how much sense does it make to pour through a book on dsp and a book on qm without knowing what's what in functional analysis? And then when you read the wiki for functional analysis, you see how related it is to topology and algebra. "An important object of study in functional analysis are the continuous linear operators defined on Banach and Hilbert spaces. These lead naturally to the definition of C*-algebras and other operator algebras." Banach and Hilbert spaces are topological spaces, and C*-algebras are obviously algebra. Now go back to the fourier transform, and extend/generalize it. You get the wavelet transform. The wavelet transform, besides being used in stuff like image/video compression, is also a technique in mathematical biology. Specifically a field called Genomic Signal Processing (GSP). So now we see that biology, from the view of genomic signal processing, is related to audio analysis, by way of digital signal processing. (And this explains how somebody like Ilya Shmulevich can go from studying music pattern recognition to systems biology.) And DSP and GSP are related to quantum mechanics (through hilbert spaces/functional analysis). And all of that is related with algebra, geometry, and topology.
Let's try and wrap our heads around all that with Category Theory.
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A category has objects and morphisms, which represent things and ways to go between things. In physics, the objects are often physical systems, and the morphisms are processes turning a state of one physical system into a state of another system — perhaps the same one. In quantum physics we often formalize this by taking Hilbert spaces as objects, and linear operators as morphisms.
Physics, Topology, Logic, and Computation - A Rosetta Stone
Starts out pretty elementary, huh? No? What about if we talk about the category theory of cooking with vegetables? The object is the potato and the morphism is the cooking of the potato.
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Consider a raw potato. Conveniently, we refer to it as A. Raw potato A admits several states e.g. ‘dirty’, ‘clean’, ‘skinned’, ... We usually don’t eat raw potatoes so we need to process A such that it becomes eatable. We refer to this cooked version of A as B. Also B admits several states e.g. ‘boiled’, ‘fried’, ‘baked with skin’, ‘baked without skin’, ... Correspondingly, there are several ways to turn raw potato A into cooked potato B e.g. ‘boiling’, ‘frying’, ‘baking’, respectively referred to as f, f′ and f′′. We make the fact that these cooking processes apply to raw potato A and produce cooked potato B explicit by labelled arrows:
Categories for the Practicing Physicist
So the objects are A and B and the morphisms are f, f', and f''. The potato and the cooking of the potato. 90 pages later and he's discussing Topological Quantum Field Theories.
The first one, the rosetta stone, is by John Baez and his student Mike Stay (who now works at google doing a security system - called capabilities - for javascript, which proves that just because you understand category theory doesn't mean you're too good for writing web applications). That paper shows how the mathematics of category theory unifies physics, topology, logic and computation. John Baez has got to be the greatest living math teacher/expositor. He's also probably the strongest evangelist for using category theory to learn and understand mathematics. He participates in a group blog called the n-Category Cafe and has his own blog running since 1993 called This Week's Finds in Mathematical Physics, over at his site. And the other one is by Bob Coecke.
Well, I dont know if category theory will ever help me understand pattern recognition for audio analysis but it has certainly helped me start to understand QM. and we've seen how they are related. I hope it will help you.
Paper and pencil math has never really given me much. But most math, or calculations at least, is done on computers these days. Even in the publications, when they show hand-written formulas, there's usually source code behind it which implements the algorithm for the calculation. So I'm hoping that more programming will serve as a handle for me to get a grip on maths.
Sorry for the long post, hope you found it worth reading. And yeah, hit me up if you want to be study partners or programming partners. Let's see what we can accomplish working together.
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Re: Shroomery programming/math/etc. self-study peer(s)? If you want to mentor, that's fine too. [Re: jdonny]
#9981281 - 03/16/09 11:29 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Haha, I can't believe I read and understood most of that. Seemed like alot of info to be crammed into such a short space.
Anyways, I don't think that applies to me too much, at least right now. So back to the topic, can we get together either tomorrow around 6 or perhaps Wednesday at 6? Or really, anytime after 6 works too. I'll get on aim then just in case, but try and lemme know beforehand.
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Re: Shroomery programming/math/etc. self-study peer(s)? If you want to mentor, that's fine too. [Re: krypto2000]
#9986391 - 03/17/09 12:12 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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krypto2000 said: Haha, I can't believe I read and understood most of that. Seemed like alot of info to be crammed into such a short space.
Anyways, I don't think that applies to me too much, at least right now. So back to the topic, can we get together either tomorrow around 6 or perhaps Wednesday at 6? Or really, anytime after 6 works too. I'll get on aim then just in case, but try and lemme know beforehand.
Yes. Perfect. I suffer from extreme insomnia so the evening is like the early afternoon for me.
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Re: Shroomery programming/math/etc. self-study peer(s)? If you want to mentor, that's fine too. [Re: seek]
#9989748 - 03/17/09 04:12 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Aright, well I'm on guys. I'll be around all night probably so hit me up if you can.
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Re: Shroomery programming/math/etc. self-study peer(s)? If you want to mentor, that's fine too. [Re: krypto2000]
#9990807 - 03/17/09 06:49 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I am a recently graduated engineer. I am also a hobbyist computer programmer in many fields I have never been formally educated in.
I have experience programming:
-low level TCP/IP and UDP applications -winAPI applications -OpenGL and Direct3D applications -Directsound and Directinput applications -3Dimensional geometry -Operating System emulation -Embedded systems and robotics programming -Database applications -STL demo applications -Simple encryption applications -Simple signal processing applications
I am interested in helping advance some more novice programmers (or even expert programmers who are novice in areas I have experience in). I will teach anything I know to anyone who is willing to do some of the legwork of programming.
In the near future I will post some complete and/or trivially incomplete projects I have done in the past and those who are willing to prove that they can put in the tiny bit of leftover work will get my attention. (And of course anyone who asks for tips on completing these projects will get those too).
There are lots of things I would like to program in the future, some areas I have recently begun moving into are: -real time signal processing (primarily for custom live audio distortion) -GPGPU programming
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Re: Shroomery programming/math/etc. self-study peer(s)? If you want to mentor, that's fine too. [Re: ExplosiveMango]
#9990828 - 03/17/09 06:52 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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PS: I would like to learn Python soon, it looks straightforward and very useful. My main languages now are C, C++ and assembly.
(assembly, lol)
PPS: happy St. Pat's day all.
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Re: Shroomery programming/math/etc. self-study peer(s)? If you want to mentor, that's fine too. [Re: ExplosiveMango]
#10006400 - 03/20/09 07:41 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Did anyone else want to do this? So far me and seek have been in contact, though only once, but it looks like the wheels have been put in motion. I guess I was only on aim that one day now that I think about it, but try to contact one of us somehow, either through this thread, im's, pm's w/e. My email address and aim s/n are listed in my profile, and I regularly check them.
How's it going btw seek? What are you currently working on, any specifics?
I'm currently just going through the python 2.6 documentation to refresh my memory. I think I'm probably going to read the tutorial document which I guess should take about a week or so, but I dunno... I have motivation for this, but no idea how much, so it could take much longer, or much less. Encouragement and participation from others would help motivate me too, but I don't plan to quit, don't get that impression. It's still just in the beginning stages and it's hard to make very accurate judgments yet. I've also been kinda busy at work, which is where I'm doing 90% of my python learning for the time being, in my down time as it's unrelated and for the most part not beneficial to know for my current job. I've got some free time today though so I'm planning on getting started.
Keep updating guys!
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Re: Shroomery programming/math/etc. self-study peer(s)? If you want to mentor, that's fine too. [Re: krypto2000]
#10008333 - 03/20/09 02:33 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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i would love to learn computer basics
re formatting, overclocking my CPU, learning linux, just general basic computer information
im pretty computer savvy, but dont know where to learn the basic, needed information.
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Re: Shroomery programming/math/etc. self-study peer(s)? If you want to mentor, that's fine too. [Re: t00th]
#10008396 - 03/20/09 02:42 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well I know all of the above that you listed. Feel free to ask me anything in regards to that, but the way I learned was by building my own PC and joining a forum full of knowledgeable people. Just keeping up with the latest HW/SW (that interested me), and troubleshooting any problems myself that arose over the years. Within a couple years I knew Windows inside and out and then I installed slackware (linux distro) and just... made it work, cause out of the box, it didn't. 2-3 months later, by the time I got everything I wanted to working, I knew the basic ins and outs of linux. I've still got a bit to learn on that front, but you can get much deeper into linux than you can Windows due to it's... well, not hiding anything from the user. I also joined a Linux forum, but didn't participate in that nearly as much as the other (xtremesystems.org, mostly targeted towards overclocking).
Again though, that's just how I did it, there's many avenues you can take.
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Re: Shroomery programming/math/etc. self-study peer(s)? If you want to mentor, that's fine too. [Re: krypto2000]
#20080496 - 06/03/14 09:41 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I know this thread is old, but I'd like to revive it because I'm interested in the topic/I couldn't find many other threads on the subject as developed as this one.
I'd be very interested in studying Calculus and Linear Algebra (and some Abstract Algebra if we get to it) with another Shroomery member. I've been at my math study for the past 2 months now, and I've structured it per this course, honors intro analysis course Math 295, http://www.math.lsa.umich.edu/~kesmith/Math295.html. So far I've finished most of the first 8 homeworks in the course, but I'd be very interested in exposing holes in my knowledge, so starting with the very first homework would be great too.
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I'm also interested in learning functional programming, maybe straight from the SICP book. It would be cool to have another person to discuss/motivate me to study!
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