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 Gao
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 PF Classic refusing to fruit on Rye 
#981704 - 10/22/02 12:56 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey, my friend was trying to fruit PF Classic off straight rye. He works in a lab, is minoring in mycology at school, and is quite well versed in growing gourmet mushrooms, but this is his first foray into psychadelics. He isolated a vigorous sector PF Classic from a multispore innoculation onto PDYA, and then used that to start several rye spawn jars. One got contaminated with bacteria, but the fungus won the war. He couldn't use this jar for spawn, so he decided to fruit it directly, like a large cake. His setup was tried and proven for other mushrooms, and pins formed after a brief chilling period. However, 100% of them aborted. A friend who is very knowledgable in growing Psilocybes, you all may remember him from this board, Azure, told us a) The set up was cool. I really don't think it aborted due to growing conditions. And b) He has tried fruiting PF Classic off pasturized dung and straw, and that shit aborted as well. Is PF selling a degenerate strain, one that has the potential to fruit only on BRF and vermiculite? Also, what should I do with my remaining rye jars? I have 3 fully colonized, although I've been shaking them to keep the grains loose.
Anyway, I'm kinda pissed, the PF Tek is pretty weak if you are already used to bulk substrates, and I dont really want to make any life sized "Cakes". I guess I'll just have to get a print with some good genetics.
Thanks,
Gao
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 Re: PF Classic refusing to fruit on Rye [Re: Gao]
#981780 - 10/22/02 01:52 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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I heard a rumor that PF Classic doesn't do well in casings.
They like cakes....BRF cakes.
PM pleezr....he was trying to case PF Classic's once.
Ask him how he did....I don't know how his turned out.
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 Re: PF Classic refusing to fruit on Rye [Re: Gao]
#983723 - 10/22/02 04:04 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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i've seen a lot of problems with PF Clasic casings. it seems to be a most consistant occurence.
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 Re: PF Classic refusing to fruit on Rye [Re: Gao]
#984103 - 10/22/02 05:53 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeh, seems like PF was inbred one too many times or something...
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Re: PF Classic refusing to fruit on Rye [Re: angryshroom]
#984262 - 10/22/02 06:49 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeh, seems like PF was inbred one too many times or something...
To be fair, the PF strain was bred for the pf-tek (i.e. cakes/brf) and does a fairly decent job fruiting from brf cakes. I do have to agree with you however, I have seen some odd looking fruit come out of the pf race.
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Gao
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Re: PF Classic refusing to fruit on Rye [Re: Seuss]
#984940 - 10/22/02 09:36 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hrmmm, yeah, I was just pondering it a bit, and realized that the only pins that formed were at the Vermiculite/Cake interface (My friend put some verm on top to protect from drips, hydrate, etc.).
I know it is too late to actually break this guy up and case it with a peat based layer, however I wonder what would happen if my friend broke it up in a tray and cased it with 100% verm? I mean, it is laden with spores of contams now, so he couldn't use a brf/verm casing layer (which may be the only way for me to get this crap to fruit). Do you think that the rye would contaminate if he broke it up?
Edited by Gao (10/22/02 09:42 PM)
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Re: PF Classic refusing to fruit on Rye [Re: Gao]
#984949 - 10/22/02 09:38 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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PF IS GENETICALLY ENGINEERING THEIR SHROOMS TO ONLY SURVIVE WITH THEIR SUBSTRATES!
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Re: PF Classic refusing to fruit on Rye [Re: Anonymous]
#985596 - 10/23/02 02:06 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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my PFs did very well cased. the grain was birdseed cased 50/50 very uniform flushing and fruit size and quite potent too there were abhorts but not many. it was a multispore innoc. i got my syringes as a replacement from PF when he had a batch of degraded syringes sent out. i think he was supposed to have gone back to his older prints to grow shrooms for his new batch of syringes so they should be better. i sent lots of prints to the FSRE i dont know how anybody got on with them though...
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Re: PF Classic refusing to fruit on Rye [Re: Gao]
#986694 - 10/23/02 01:28 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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As far as I know, PF has been selected to perform well with the PFTEK, on BRF/verm CAKES-nothing else. Rye is never mentioned in the PF TEK.
Why did you think it would work?
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Re: PF Classic refusing to fruit on Rye [Re: On_the_Down-Low]
#986901 - 10/23/02 02:40 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Because it's a strain of psilocybe cubensis, and every single other substrain of the selected genus/species has been able to fruit this way. It's a pretty normal thing to try things, not to mention the fact that others have been able to do it, so it's not impossible, just picky.
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Gao
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Re: PF Classic refusing to fruit on Rye [Re: Raadt]
#988146 - 10/23/02 10:58 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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"As far as I know, PF has been selected to perform well with the PFTEK, on BRF/verm CAKES-nothing else. Rye is never mentioned in the PF TEK.
Why did you think it would work?"
Why shouldn't it NOT have worked? Rye is a highly nutritious medium. All else being equal, it should perform decently on rye compared to other strains of P. Cubensis. Inbreeding is a bitch.
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Re: PF Classic refusing to fruit on Rye [Re: Gao]
#988614 - 10/24/02 02:27 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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But the PF seems to be more of a 'one-off' type strain. It's only offered by 1 vendor. It's a 1 trick pony for the most part. I'd like to see it work in a Poo Tek. Cased or otherwise.
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Re: PF Classic refusing to fruit on Rye [Re: On_the_Down-Low]
#989025 - 10/24/02 08:08 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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i think other vendors do sell it under a different name
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Re: PF Classic refusing to fruit on Rye [Re: blackout]
#991986 - 10/25/02 05:59 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Through selective isolation and the fact that they have grown this one mushroom for many 100s of generations on the one substrate has made this particular spore-race of cubensis selective and reliant on certain substrate mizes tio fruit and perform adequately.
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Re: PF Classic refusing to fruit on Rye [Re: Zen Peddler]
#992149 - 10/25/02 09:54 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Good thread,
I basically started something along the same lines over in the cult forum and was directed here by daussaulit.
A friend of mine has cased the PF strain many times over many years, with little or no success. She's cased other strains but for some reason she plays with the PF strain becuase it "doesn't work" well on casings. My friend likes a little challenge
Can a strain be developed to like or prefer one singular type of substrate? I don't see how it could but maybe I'm wrong?
Any takers on that question?
Lana
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Re: PF Classic refusing to fruit on Rye [Re: Seuss]
#994462 - 10/26/02 08:41 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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i have cased them with vermiculite and got decent success, but the cakes always seemed to do better. it's just the strain. it's prone to aborts and it prefers cakes to casings.
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Re: PF Classic refusing to fruit on Rye [Re: blackout]
#994463 - 10/26/02 08:43 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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i've seen it elsewhere as matias romero.
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Re: PF Classic refusing to fruit on Rye [Re: Lana]
#994560 - 10/26/02 10:49 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hi Lana, the pf classic strain is substrate specific, meaning that it only easily digests a certain substrate. This is a form of genetic mutation, caused by the lack of a diverse diet.
It is probable that the strain could be reconditoined to fruit on other subs, but it would be time consuming, and given the other qualtiy strains available, not very practical.
If I were to try to revive it I would do as follows....
Use different agar mixes and supplement them with various powdered subs. Transfer from one agar recipe to another until you get tired of agar work then see if it will fruit. The transfering will expose the mycelium to various nutrients, thereby creating diversity in its digestive enzymes, at least hypothetically.
Ive tried pf classic on various bulk subs, manure, castings, castings/straw and all it did was lay there. Because of the 'tunnel vision' way it has been propogated for all these years, I actually consider the pf classic to be an inferior strain by todays standards.
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 Re: PF Classic refusing to fruit on Rye [Re: Gao]
#994946 - 10/26/02 03:19 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Why try? Rye is a realy realy REALY! bad substrate. It produses vary week mushrooms wheth eny stran not just PF. Don't bother trying to grow on rye it is not worth it. Stick whith brf and maby add dextrose, 500mg of glycine a little oyster shell powder and some trace minerals.
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Re: PF Classic refusing to fruit on Rye [Re: HunterThomson]
#996474 - 10/27/02 09:27 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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In reply to:
Why try? Rye is a realy realy REALY! bad substrate. It produses vary week mushrooms wheth eny stran not just PF. Don't bother trying to grow on rye it is not worth it. Stick whith brf and maby add dextrose, 500mg of glycine a little oyster shell powder and some trace minerals.
I call bullshit on that,bub...
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