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Talk of new Assault Weapons Ban raises sales, wariness
    #9947461 - 03/10/09 06:29 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

http://www.newsherald.com/news/city_72469___article.html/debate_gun.html



Talk of new Assault Weapons Ban raises sales, wariness




PANAMA CITY — For gun owners, it's 1994 all over again.

Even before U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder's comments that President Barack Obama's administration would like to reinstitute the federal Assault Weapons Ban, local gun stores were experiencing a surge of demand for both firearms and ammunition. But after Holder's Feb. 26 comment, demand surged.

"We'll sell as many guns in a day now as we used to in a month, and supplies have dried up," said Jay Woodbury, owner of Jay's Guns & Accessories in Panama City. "You cannot get what you need, like ammunition. We're out of ammunition in several calibers.

"Guns that normally I could just pick up the phone and order, now they're telling me six months to a year, if we ever get them. I'm 600 guns per store below what I'd normally stock and probably a million rounds of ammunition below what I'd normally stock."

The Federal Assault Weapon ban was birthed in 1994, and gun enthusiasts feared it was a push to a near-all-out ban on firearm ownership. But in 2004, with a Republican president and the GOP holding both chambers of Congress, the bill reached its built-in 10-year sunset and expired.

The ban had little to do with assault weapons, Woodbury said. True assault weapons are capable of automatic or burst fire, where each pull of the trigger delivers multiple bangs. Such weapons - machine guns, submachine guns and automatic rifles - already are heavily restricted and have been since the 1930s.

Instead, the ban was directed at semi-automatic firearms, those capable of only one bang per trigger squeeze. Also included was a 10-round limit on newly produced magazines.

Pre-existing firearms and magazines remained legal. What was disallowed was manufacturing or importing rifles constituted as "assault weapons." Rifles with detachable magazines fell into the forbidden category if they contained more than two of the following: folding stock, pistol grip, bayonet lug, a flash suppressor or threaded barrel that would allow one to be mounted or a mount for rifle grenades.



What it means

Even though House Speaker Nance Pelosi, D-Calif., has dismissed the White House's ban talk, many gun owners are not convinced a second attempt is not in the works.

"Actually, the day of inauguration, if you'd went to the whitehouse.gov Web site, it was posted that part of their violence and crime control, one of the main topics of discussion, was to re-enact the assault weapons ban and make it permanent," Woodbury said.

Woodbury's store in Panama City - he has four - is home to firearms ranging from two-shot pistols to military-style firearms and hunting rifles. There is nothing in the store anyone needs, in the purest since of the word, Woodbury said, but pro-gun advocates insist the argument is not about needs, but about rights.

"This is America," he said, "and if you're not breaking the law, you should be able to do what you want."

In addition to longtime shooting advocates, Woodbury said an increasing volume of firearm newbies have been showing up in his stores for their first purchase.

"You say, ‘Why are you in?' And they say, ‘I don't want anyone telling me I can't,'" he said.

Woodbury is not the only dealer getting the rush. Ronnie Groom, owner of C&G Sporting Goods, said business is up, and customers are worried.

"You can't find anything right now," he said. "I talked with a Remington representative that said they're working 24/7 trying to catch up on ammo production."

Groom said he expected renewed talk of the ban from the "liberal left."

"It's really a stupid ban. ... You can assault someone with any firearm," he said. "You can kill somebody with two rounds."

Gauging the effectiveness of the ban has been difficult. Statistics vary wildly from study to study. In terms of weapons used during the course of assaults, Bay County Sheriff's Office Lt. Mitch Pitts said assault rifles rank at the bottom of the list, with handguns accounting for "the vast majority."

"You don't often see someone with a $2,000 dollar weapon out doing a $60 convenience store robbery," he said. "The common sense is criminals do not want to attract attention, so they generally don't walk around with an uzi or an AR-15."



Political reality


Increased gun control largely is seen as a Democratic push, but there are dissidents in both parties. The National Rifle Association donated $7,450 to the political action committee for U.S. Rep. Allen Boyd, D-Monticello, as well as the Blue Dog Political Action Committee. In its annual grading, the NRA awarded Boyd an "A" for supporting gun rights, the same grade given to U.S. Rep. Jeff Miller, R-Chumuckla.

Miller said he was "not at all surprised" talk of a renewed ban has surfaced.

"There's been a tremendous amount of discussion about it among members and outside groups like the NRA," he said. "We are watching every day for legislation to come through that would impede a citizen's second amendment rights. ... We believe in our second amendment rights, which include the right to keep and bear arms."

Sen. Mel Martinez, R-Fla., was listed in an NRA release in 2004 as one of the "top pro-gun Senate winners," while Democrat Bill Nelson was given an F.

Given the mishmash of gun-friendly Democrats and gun-control-leaning Republicans, neither Goodbury nor Groom is conceding defeat on the issue.

"I don't think it's inevitable," Groom said. "I hope common sense will prevail."


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Re: Talk of new Assault Weapons Ban raises sales, wariness [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #9981836 - 03/16/09 01:35 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

manufacturers can't even keep up with demand atm


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Re: Talk of new Assault Weapons Ban raises sales, wariness [Re: JRayV]
    #10023660 - 03/23/09 12:08 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Obama has bigger things on his plate at the moment, the AWb isn't an immediate thereat


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Re: Talk of new Assault Weapons Ban raises sales, wariness [Re: silver97232]
    #10024141 - 03/23/09 02:19 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

oh, well, since the big government isnt capable of multitasking, i feel much much better about this then.

:rolleyes:


what is this then?

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=6960824&page=1


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The Obama administration will seek to reinstate the assault weapons ban that expired in 2004 during the Bush administration, Attorney General Eric Holder said today.


"As President Obama indicated during the campaign, there are just a few gun-related changes that we would like to make, and among them would be to reinstitute the ban on the sale of assault weapons," Holder told reporters.




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Re: Talk of new Assault Weapons Ban raises sales, wariness [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #10095691 - 04/02/09 04:41 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I'm glad to see our citizens arming themselves to the teeth.

Makes me sleep better at night.


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Re: Talk of new Assault Weapons Ban raises sales, wariness [Re: mushroomhunter10]
    #10096910 - 04/02/09 08:09 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

it makes me happy.

and at the same time, im pissed.  i have not been able to find 9mm ammo in a couple months.  :bored:

manufacturers need to put the pedal to the medal and then some.



ive been hearing ALOT of chatter all over NRA and GOA about bills in the works and shit the brady campaign is up to and has planned.  it does not sound good, especially with majority democrat congress and obama in office.....


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Re: Talk of new Assault Weapons Ban raises sales, wariness [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #10096945 - 04/02/09 08:14 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Make your own. It pays for itself after a while.

I have a friend that reloads and it's probably less than ten cents per bullet.


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Re: Talk of new Assault Weapons Ban raises sales, wariness [Re: mushroomhunter10]
    #10096968 - 04/02/09 08:18 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

well ive been wanting to get into loading my own, but the initial costs are just not practical for me right now. my fiancee just graduated school and im planningon starting soon.  there is no money available for it.

:sad:

bet that i will when i can though.


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Re: Talk of new Assault Weapons Ban raises sales, wariness [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #10097005 - 04/02/09 08:24 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Plus you can add cool things to your bullets, like steel or tungsten rods. :smile:

Customize your powders too, load them like +p+ for emergencies, but load them very light for target practice.


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Re: Talk of new Assault Weapons Ban raises sales, wariness [Re: mushroomhunter10]
    #10127201 - 04/07/09 10:51 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Everything has gotten so expensive! even cheap Russian ammo (wolf, brown bear) is being sold at a premium. Have you seen the prices ar-15s are going for? I would really like to get an ar-10 but with prices going in the direction they are I think I may have to live without one.


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Re: Talk of new Assault Weapons Ban raises sales, wariness [Re: Mike177]
    #10128147 - 04/08/09 04:39 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

yep. prices are only going to keep raising too.  because everyone is pretty sure that some form of drastic gun control is on the way.  and theyre probably right.  with congress AND the presidency majority democrat, our second amendment is in danger.


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Re: Talk of new Assault Weapons Ban raises sales, wariness [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #10135743 - 04/09/09 11:31 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

It's bullshit!


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Re: Talk of new Assault Weapons Ban raises sales, wariness [Re: mushroomhunter10]
    #10137904 - 04/09/09 05:24 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

it sure is. there is alot of chatter about behind doors talks of ammunition registration(which would circumvent actual gun registration), microstamping(which will jack up the cost of guns yet again), beefing up and reinstating the assault weapon ban of 94 permanently  amongst many other things.  none of which will be good for us.  and none of which will do anything to deter gun crime.

these morons have no idea what theyre talking about and they certainly dont have a clue as to how to stop gun crime.  all they are doing is stifling our rights.  if someone wants to kill someone they can use any of the other guns still legal, and without those, they will use other means.


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Re: Talk of new Assault Weapons Ban raises sales, wariness [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #10138021 - 04/09/09 05:38 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

People need to call this for what it is.  The government is afraid of being annihilated by righteously angry Americans.  Fuck, if the government wasn't guilty as sin they would not be afraid of the people's wrath.  I don't think that American soldiers could be forced to turn on the populace, as most soldiers I talked to joined to protect the people they grew up with.  If the morons called in the bluehelmets you would see soccer moms screaming for the blood of politicians.

Those ass-hats just don't get it...


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Re: Talk of new Assault Weapons Ban raises sales, wariness [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #10138143 - 04/09/09 05:58 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

leftysurprise said:
if someone wants to kill someone they can use any of the other guns still legal, and without those, they will use other means.




I think what happened in North Dakota is good evidence of this, lots of guns (assault weapons included) and two murders in 2008...... they were both stabbed.

http://www.allamericanblogger.com/6086/gun-control-laws-stop-murders-north-dakota/


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Re: Talk of new Assault Weapons Ban raises sales, wariness [Re: Mike177]
    #10139088 - 04/09/09 08:39 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

exactly, and how about that guy in japan that plowed his car through the mall and stabbed like 10-15 people?  he didnt need guns. 

a gun is nothing more than a tool, an extension of the human being using it.  no different than a knife, a hammer, a razorblade, an awl, a trowel or a screwdriver and etc.  you can ban every manmade invention in the world and man will still kill with anything available, a rock, a stick, his bare fucking hands.


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Re: Talk of new Assault Weapons Ban raises sales, wariness [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #10141152 - 04/10/09 08:38 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I agree with Al. If they weren't guilty as sin then they wouldn't have to worry so much. Like I said in another post "Governments NEVER give rights to people. We have to request them, or take them by force if we want them.".

The bluehats wouldn't stand a chance... Most of our boys would not turn guns on their fellow countrymen.


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Re: Talk of new Assault Weapons Ban raises sales, wariness [Re: mushroomhunter10]
    #10152066 - 04/12/09 01:10 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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The bluehats wouldn't stand a chance... Most of our boys would not turn guns on their fellow countrymen.




my best friend is a marine and he said hands down most of our boys in uniform would fight right alongside us if the government tried anything funny.  that makes me sleep a little better at night.


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Re: Talk of new Assault Weapons Ban raises sales, wariness [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #10152697 - 04/12/09 03:15 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

What makes me sleep even better is the fact that Ron Paul received more donations from active military than ALL other candidates combined! :smile:


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Re: Talk of new Assault Weapons Ban raises sales, wariness [Re: mushroomhunter10]
    #10153494 - 04/12/09 05:45 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

this does not make me sleep better.

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=4753

Pelosi Calls For Gun Registration,
Opposes D.C. Gun Reform Legislation


Friday, April 10, 2009


In February, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) rightly rejected Attorney General Eric Holder's call for renewing the so-called "assault weapons" ban, which expired in 2004 after Congress refused to renew it.

However, on Tuesday, on ABC's "Good Morning America," Pelosi said, "we [members of Congress] have to find some level of compromise" on guns.  She noted that the Supreme Court, in District of Columbia v. Heller, ruled that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to guns.  But, she said, "We want them registered."

Pelosi also used the word "draconian" to describe legislation before Congress to reform D.C.'s gun laws.  Apparently referring to the provision of that legislation that would permit residents of D.C. to buy handguns in Maryland and Virginia, Pelosi added, "we don't want them crossing state lines."

Pelosi's objection to exempting D.C. residents from the Gun Control Act's ban on sales of handguns (even by dealers) between residents of different states is misplaced, not only because there is only one handgun dealer in the District, but because the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) has rendered the interstate sales ban pointless and unnecessary.  A D.C. resident buying a handgun will be subject to the same instant background check, regardless of where the sale occurs.

Pelosi objected to the fact that disagreement over the D.C. gun legislation is preventing a vote on legislation to give the District a voting member in the House.  To say the least, we regret that the Speaker of the House believes it more important to give the D.C. Delegate a vote on the House floor than to protect D.C.'s law-abiding residents' right to defend themselves from criminals.
Meanwhile, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), the Senate sponsor of the now-expired federal "assault weapons" ban, said on a CBS "60 Minutes" program to be aired on Sunday that she is only temporarily holding off on introducing legislation to reinstate the ban.  "I'll pick the time and place.  No question about it," Feinstein said.


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