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Re: Reflections on the Vagina Monologues . . . [Re: Unbearable_B]
    #9939061 - 03/09/09 11:24 AM (15 years, 13 days ago)

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What about male genital mutilation?







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Re: Reflections on the Vagina Monologues . . . [Re: pong]
    #9939158 - 03/09/09 11:47 AM (15 years, 13 days ago)

my question is why tf does it take so god dam long?  really that was quite terrible fuckin watch that shit start at 1:30

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Re: Reflections on the Vagina Monologues . . . [Re: Unbearable_B]
    #9939162 - 03/09/09 11:49 AM (15 years, 13 days ago)

i dunno , cus nobody cares about children.  unless they are girls i guess.


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Re: Reflections on the Vagina Monologues . . . [Re: pong]
    #9939300 - 03/09/09 12:19 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

While male genital mutilation appears to be incredibly painful, I think it is still mild when compared to more extreme forms of female genital mutilation, which can include one, all, or a combination of the following: removal of the clitoris, removal of the labia minora, removal of the labia majora, sewing the vagina shut.  The first three are primarily used in religious ritual, much like male circumcision.  Some claim it to be a form of cleansing, much like male circumcision.  The fact remains that no matter how you look at it, I feel it is okay as long as it is within a religious context and not done out of mallice.  I still wouldn't condone either male or female circumcision. Ever.  But who am I to say what is right for you and your religion? :shrug:


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Re: Reflections on the Vagina Monologues . . . [Re: DearSpike]
    #9939436 - 03/09/09 12:48 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

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The fact remains that no matter how you look at it, I feel it is okay as long as it is within a religious context and not done out of mallice.  I still wouldn't condone either male or female circumcision. Ever.  But who am I to say what is right for you and your religion? :shrug:




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Re: Reflections on the Vagina Monologues . . . [Re: jewunit]
    #9939446 - 03/09/09 12:50 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

Ha. Thanks for pointing that out.  Condone is the wrong word.  Mmm . . . how about facilitate?  Encourage?  Promote?  Applaud?    Grr.  Words are hard . . .
I guess that's what I get for trying to be intelligent about female genital mutilation


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Re: Reflections on the Vagina Monologues . . . [Re: DearSpike]
    #9939455 - 03/09/09 12:51 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

It is okay to think something is wrong ya know.


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Re: Reflections on the Vagina Monologues . . . [Re: jewunit]
    #9939472 - 03/09/09 12:54 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

Indeed.  I'm saying it's wrong in my opinion, but I can't be going around forcing others to think the same way.  Gah.


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Re: Reflections on the Vagina Monologues . . . [Re: pong]
    #9939522 - 03/09/09 01:03 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

I think it's fucking gruesome to have your genitals mutilated at such an early stage of life, at a time when the child is most sensitive to the external world.

I see it clearly as child abuse, male and female circumcision even more so. I'm not against removal of the foreskin. I'm against doing it without conscious consent of the child.

Let your child do it when he is old enough to make an informed choice!


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Re: Reflections on the Vagina Monologues . . . [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #9939710 - 03/09/09 01:48 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

Well, yes, I still think circumcision is pretty unethical but it's far less barbaric than clitoral.

As for health benefits the cleanly thing isn't such a big deal but it IS nice to not have to worry about lint getting in your dick. And the biggest reason I see is that many people end up with deformed foreskins that end up being too tight, bursting, or whatever that end up forcing them to get clipped at 19 anyway and then they remember the pain. I'm not really upset that I was clipped even though I think uncut looks better.


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Re: Reflections on the Vagina Monologues . . . [Re: PyroBurns]
    #9939757 - 03/09/09 01:55 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

I'm a misogynist. This topic bores me.


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    #9940551 - 03/09/09 03:53 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

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Re: Reflections on the Vagina Monologues . . . [Re: johnnyrad]
    #9941132 - 03/09/09 05:13 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

In some ways I think the female circumcision that takes place in other cultures is less wrong than the common practice of removing the foreskin here.

Yes, it's still wrong and gruesome, but I think that it's probably hard for us to fully understand it. It's an important ceremony in some cultures. I'm sure that many girls are not only not traumatized by it, but welcome it as a sort of rite of passage. It seems to me from other things I've seen about this, that for many of the girls this happens to...it's just a part of life. Also, they're old enough to realize what's happening. And though I'm sure it would be incredibly painful, they probably see it as something entirely different than we do.

It seems to me that doing a similar procedure to a child for often no real reason other than the fact that it's commonly accepted is just as bad, if not worse. It may not be quite as painful, but it's the same concept. Just because it's done at a time when the child won't be able to remember it doesn't make it any better.


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Re: Reflections on the Vagina Monologues . . . [Re: alternatereality]
    #9941176 - 03/09/09 05:22 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

A lot of them do welcome it, but they welcome it because, if they didn't have it done, they would be ostricized by the society they live in.


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Re: Reflections on the Vagina Monologues . . . [Re: alternatereality]
    #9941177 - 03/09/09 05:22 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

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In some ways I think the female circumcision that takes place in other cultures is less wrong than the common practice of removing the foreskin here.

Yes, it's still wrong and gruesome, but I think that it's probably hard for us to fully understand it. It's an important ceremony in some cultures. I'm sure that many girls are not only not traumatized by it, but welcome it as a sort of rite of passage. It seems to me from other things I've seen about this, that for many of the girls this happens to...it's just a part of life. Also, they're old enough to realize what's happening. And though I'm sure it would be incredibly painful, they probably see it as something entirely different than we do.

It seems to me that doing a similar procedure to a child for often no real reason other than the fact that it's commonly accepted is just as bad, if not worse. It may not be quite as painful, but it's the same concept. Just because it's done at a time when the child won't be able to remember it doesn't make it any better.




They lose their CLIT. That's like me losing half of my dick. I don't care who you are, that's horrible.


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Re: Reflections on the Vagina Monologues . . . [Re: alternatereality]
    #9941185 - 03/09/09 05:24 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

This is where moral relativism gets you.

This is supposed to be the Shroomery, where you don't put your basis of truth in the hands of blind tradition.


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Re: Reflections on the Vagina Monologues . . . [Re: PyroBurns]
    #9941235 - 03/09/09 05:36 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

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Well, yes, I still think circumcision is pretty unethical but it's far less barbaric than clitoral.

As for health benefits the cleanly thing isn't such a big deal but it IS nice to not have to worry about lint getting in your dick. And the biggest reason I see is that many people end up with deformed foreskins that end up being too tight, bursting, or whatever that end up forcing them to get clipped at 19 anyway and then they remember the pain. I'm not really upset that I was clipped even though I think uncut looks better.




the deformed foreskin that is too tight at old age is because the parents didnt make the kid take his head outa the skin at a young age.  it needs mad stretching.

mine is so stretched that when im hard you cant tell im uncircumcized if ur the chick blowing me.  then i come and its like wow ur uncut? wtf?!

and i say yeah its better.

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Re: Reflections on the Vagina Monologues . . . [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
    #9941340 - 03/09/09 05:57 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

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Eh, I'm sorry, no matter what the culture, I agree with the above poster... genital mutilation needs to be ended. Its often done without anesthesia, and it is quite capable (and often does) kill the girl on the receiving end, and often done at the age of 12-13. Think about someone literally cutting off the head of your penis right now without anesthesia. The clit's got higher percentages of nerve endings than even that, and you can imagine how painful it must be.



Yeah. Americans are often fluffy and call things like genital mutalation rights, and other things "culture". Culture doesn't make some things, like genital mutelation, any less horrific.

Cercumsicion is bad when done to kids too, let them grow up and make the decision.


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Re: Reflections on the Vagina Monologues . . . [Re: doom876]
    #9941639 - 03/09/09 07:03 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

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Cercumsicion is bad when done to kids too, let them grow up and make the decision.





Which would put the circumcision rate down to 0% lol

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Re: Reflections on the Vagina Monologues . . . [Re: Brugman]
    #9942913 - 03/09/09 10:33 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

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Cercumsicion is bad when done to kids too, let them grow up and make the decision.





Which would put the circumcision rate down to 0% lol




I don't know . . . some people are into some crazy shit . . .


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