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Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results!
    #9933328 - 03/08/09 12:53 PM (15 years, 14 days ago)

I'm curious how much weight people tend to get by volume of substrate.  I'm primarily interested in trays or monotubs, but I guess cakes are fair game too.

Please provide:
Weight of BEST single flush
Substrate dimensions (length x width x depth)
Substrate composition
Casing used?
Strain

And pictures are always fun too :smile:

My best 10x6x2" trays (coir/verm) have yielded around 200 grams wet on the first flush, and my 15x12x3" monotub (hmc) yielded 900 on the first flush.  All uncased.  Strains are PES Amazon and Hawaiian. 

Both work out to exactly 1.66 grams/cubic inch, or about 0.1 g/cc.



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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: archivist]
    #9934857 - 03/08/09 06:04 PM (15 years, 14 days ago)

You should be more concerned with dry weight.  Wet weight can vary alot depending on when they're harvested but the dry weight wouldn't vary as much since after a certain point it's mostly water weight.


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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: Spongiform]
    #9935346 - 03/08/09 07:21 PM (15 years, 14 days ago)

true but it's difficult to record dry weight since most of us who harvest end up doing more than one tray/tub at a time.


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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: ScavengerType]
    #9936565 - 03/08/09 10:10 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

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true but it's difficult to record dry weight since most of us who harvest end up doing more than one tray/tub at a time.




That's where I'm coming from.  I have a couple of trays going and between multiple flushes, I am already having a hard time remembering which batch of dried mushrooms went with what.

Anyway, I'm just curious what kind of results people have gotten.  I've seen some really spectacular grows and wanted to see from a semi-objective view what was yielded vs. what was put in.


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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: archivist]
    #9941335 - 03/09/09 05:56 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

No takers?  Really?  Perhaps I need to add an incentive.

Three entrants chosen at random will receive one inky dark print.  PES Amazon.  All of these prints are between 2" and 3" in diameter.  The largest print will go to the earliest poster of the 3 selected.


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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: archivist]
    #9941347 - 03/09/09 05:59 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

is it too late to lie in order to win?


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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: ScavengerType]
    #9941358 - 03/09/09 06:02 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

Lying = bad karma = trichoderma in your future grows!  :nonono:


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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: archivist]
    #9941392 - 03/09/09 06:10 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

but it's not too late right?


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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: ScavengerType]
    #9941422 - 03/09/09 06:18 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

Just post what you've got, or what you've had.  I'm just curious what other people have gotten.  Just don't make stuff up :smile:


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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: archivist]
    #9941474 - 03/09/09 06:29 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

Well, ill pitch in but wont have you results for a week or two.

2 tubs
12 x 20 x 3 substrate of coir/verm/coffee
Hawaiian and B+ Strains
no casing

Weights:
Wet - x
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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: archivist]
    #9941485 - 03/09/09 06:32 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

all right


I got this from a coir/coffee/gypsum tub cased with 50/50 (+L/G) MS. It was pretty much the entire yield of the tub. The coir used was coarse coir.

Measurements of the sub, were 9"x17"x2" so that's a pretty shallow depth comparable to trays. I never got a real second flush out of that but if I recall the yield off that first flush in that pic there was easily 2 oz perhaps 1 3/4 actually. Unfortunately though it was my only lone measurable grow I failed to write it down. In retrospect I wish I did, but I am fairly certain my approximations were the upper and lower estimate of the yield.


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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: archivist]
    #9941624 - 03/09/09 06:59 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: jcyril23]
    #9942213 - 03/09/09 08:53 PM (15 years, 13 days ago)

ya know most cameras use the same type of cord, so you may be able to find a new cord easily at a dollar or electronic store.


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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: ScavengerType]
    #9942516 - 03/09/09 09:37 PM (15 years, 12 days ago)

Or you can get a USB card reader for like 5-10 bucks.


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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: archivist]
    #9942569 - 03/09/09 09:44 PM (15 years, 12 days ago)

New computers generally have the 6-1 card readers as a standard feature now, plus pop the card out and stick it in the slot.

This tub was about 1600 grams wet:





Dried to about 7 oz.

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18 gallon monotub.
16 quarts bulk substrate -> 6 quarts spawn.
1 brick coir (8 quarts), 2 quarts verm, 4 quarts hpoo, 2 quarts coffee
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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: Spongiform]
    #9942939 - 03/09/09 10:38 PM (15 years, 12 days ago)

Spongiform, great grow, but you didn't include dimensions of the substrate... which is what the OP wants. Mind posting the details?

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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: Shroominit]
    #9942971 - 03/09/09 10:43 PM (15 years, 12 days ago)

its a weird crazy small cord, smaller then mini usb. cant find the thing nywer just have to find the old one or order from the cam company....


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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: Shroominit]
    #9947819 - 03/10/09 07:30 PM (15 years, 12 days ago)

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Spongiform, great grow, but you didn't include dimensions of the substrate... which is what the OP wants. Mind posting the details?




Agreed, though volume works for me too -- 16 + 6 quarts is 22 quarts total which is about 1270 cubic inches.  I'd certainly be interested in knowing the surface area and depth though.


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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: archivist]
    #9948334 - 03/10/09 08:49 PM (15 years, 12 days ago)

I used 1 pint of rye spawn to this tray -




Yield was 600+ grams wet. Spawn ratio was 1:2 coir coffee verm lime with a peatmoss verm casing.

I don't remember the exact dimensions but the tray was about 12in long and 2 inches deep with about 6 or 7 inches width


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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: Jitsu]
    #9948355 - 03/10/09 08:54 PM (15 years, 12 days ago)

wait do you mean coir/coffee verm gypsum? Lime would be a funny adative to add to the substrate.


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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: ScavengerType]
    #9948381 - 03/10/09 08:58 PM (15 years, 12 days ago)

Quote:

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wait do you mean coir/coffee verm gypsum? Lime would be a funny adative to add to the substrate.






nope, lime


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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: Jitsu]
    #9949015 - 03/10/09 10:59 PM (15 years, 11 days ago)

lime in the casing layer ... right :shrug:


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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: ICdeadPeople]
    #9949087 - 03/10/09 11:12 PM (15 years, 11 days ago)

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lime in the casing layer ... right :shrug:





haha nope in the substrate ;D


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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: Jitsu]
    #9949253 - 03/10/09 11:46 PM (15 years, 11 days ago)

I'm not arguing with those results. :thumbup:

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    #9949311 - 03/10/09 11:55 PM (15 years, 11 days ago)

lol why is that so weird?


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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: Shroominit]
    #9949335 - 03/10/09 11:58 PM (15 years, 11 days ago)

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I'm not arguing with those results. :thumbup:




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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: ICdeadPeople]
    #9949545 - 03/11/09 12:29 AM (15 years, 11 days ago)

I managed to get roughly 730g wet first flush from a 6qt tub about a month ago.  I can get the dimensions later, but the sub depth was probably 4" or so.  I used roughly 1:4 spawn to sub ratio, and the substrate mix was coir/verm/straw if I remember correctly.  My usual for a 6qt tub is around 450g first flush (i've probably done around 6 of them now).

I've moved on and currently have 4 63qt monotubs pinning.  I'll see how the yields compare and report the numbers back here, but I'm thinking I might end up liking the 6qt tubs better.  We'll see.  I just dont have and can't get/build a greenhouse to fruit a bunch of 6qt trays in yet, so they wont really work for my purposes right now.

BTW, the pic in my avatar is a 6qt tray fruited in a shotgun RH that gave me about 450g wet on that flush.

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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: Jitsu]
    #9949604 - 03/11/09 12:41 AM (15 years, 11 days ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

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wait do you mean coir/coffee verm gypsum? Lime would be a funny adative to add to the substrate.






nope, lime




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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: shroomer17]
    #9949667 - 03/11/09 01:00 AM (15 years, 11 days ago)

Well I'm bored... waiting for a PC load to finish up.  I figure why not post the results?  I'll do the math and see what the WET grams per cubic inch comes out to per person...

Person: volume = wet grams per cubic inch

archivist: 10x6x2" tray (coir/verm) = 1.6 G per cubic inch.
            15x12x3" monotub (hmc) = 1.53 G per cubic inch

Spongiform: 18 gallon monotub w/ 22 total quarts = 1.25 G per cubic inch

And for Jitsu.. not sure, the math doesn't add up.
Ratio Volume = 1:2 bulk ratio using 1 pint of rye = 1.5 quarts of bulk sub = 86.6 cubic inches.

Tray = 12" x 6.5" x 2 = 156 cubic inches, either you had a casing layer the same thickness as your bulk sub or this is just an estimation... even if it is and we're counting air in this.. its still a lot.

Jitsu: Ratio Volume = 6.9 G per cubic inch
      Tray Volume = 3.8 G per cubic inch

shroomer17: assuming the 6 qt tray was full = 2.1 G per cubic inch

These are all rough numbers so don't get on my case, just letting people see the math.

For some further comparisons.. I'm gonna pull some numbers from some grows posted in other threads...

large_dose: 2.25 qt spawn + 5 quarts (4qt coir / 1 pint coffe / 1 pint verm) uncased = 4.3 G per cubic inch
2.15 G per cubic inch
HippieChick:  4.25 total bulk volume (uncased h-manure sub cake) = 2.7 G per cubic inch

Blue Helix: 10 total quarts = 2.4 G per cubic inch

And what is really funny about the above, is these results from HippieChick and Blue Helix are in the same thread... and Blue goes on to say how a mastered casing layer will improve yields... yet by volume she actually out did his example.  And all she did was fruit an uncased sub as a cake(took it out of the tub).  These numbers are really rough but it goes to show...  I'm thinking that fruiting these substrate blocks and exposing all 5 sides is getting more weight out in the first flush... which still is a positive.  Less substrate shelf life.

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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: oddiseus]
    #9949699 - 03/11/09 01:07 AM (15 years, 11 days ago)

I have heard of people with acidic water using lime to balance their PH.


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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: shroomzey]
    #9949710 - 03/11/09 01:09 AM (15 years, 11 days ago)

And now for my entry. I just had a 16" x 16" x 2.5" uncased seeding tray hit 1430 G fresh.

Here's the math:

2.25 quarts (3 quart jars @ 3/4's full) spawn to 6 quarts of coir/verm/coffe/gypsum(65/20/10/5)

8.25 quarts = 476.437 cubic inches

1430/476 = 3 G per cubic inch

Strain was Orrisa India.

I just started fruiting a ton of 4.5 quart tub cakes(turned the sub upside down onto the lid exposing 5 sides) @ a 1:1 ratio, I'll report back with the results.

Its kind of cool to actually see all the math... people are posting these grows with all these huge yields... but until you actually get all the numbers no one knows who is really the most efficient by volume.

I really wanna see eatyualive post some results... :drooling: :drooling:  I'm gonna pm him and ask him to...

especially when you see him pulling shit like this:




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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: shroomzey]
    #9950923 - 03/11/09 10:49 AM (15 years, 11 days ago)

here's another one I dug up.



20 quarts bulk sub, 6 quarts crumbled PF cake.
500 grams wet first flush





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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: shroomzey]
    #9951110 - 03/11/09 11:25 AM (15 years, 11 days ago)

Quote:





:whoah: :whoah: :whoah: :bow2:

I like the math Shroomzey, never thought to do it lol


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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: ICdeadPeople]
    #9951958 - 03/11/09 02:11 PM (15 years, 11 days ago)

Sorry my memory didn't serve me well. Here is a better picture of the tray and the pint of spawn I used.






It was burma and they were solid as hell.


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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: Jitsu]
    #9952343 - 03/11/09 03:15 PM (15 years, 11 days ago)

Well either way, that is still pretty sick ratio, since the tray volume is counting air, and the ratio volume is counting the sub.. your G per cubic inch is somewhere between the 2 numbers I posted...
Respectable none the less.  =)

By the way, when doing this math I'm using US liquid quarts.

You can figure out the conversions easily here: http://www.metric-conversions.org/

I want to see some of the TC's post some record grows... who has the best by volume ratio?

Spongiform's new addition:  26 total qt's / 500 G fresh = .33 G per cubic inch.  Lowest yet!  Granted its PE.


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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: shroomzey]
    #9952432 - 03/11/09 03:32 PM (15 years, 11 days ago)

Not only was it PE, but the spawn was PF cakes.  Which has a lesser value then regular grain spawn.


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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: Spongiform]
    #9952470 - 03/11/09 03:41 PM (15 years, 11 days ago)

Best single flush so far: 259g from a 1.8 liter tray. So far I have harvested 548g from the tray, but I'm still fruiting it, hoping to get one more flush from it...

So, 1 liter = ~61 cubic inches, 1,8 liters = 109,842 cubic inches... that means the best flush gave 2,35g per cubic inch.

And, in total so far the tray has produced 4,98g per cubic inch.

Picture of the best flush:

Oh, I guess I should answer these:

Weight of BEST single flush = 259g
Substrate dimensions (length x width x depth) = ? no idea
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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: dead]
    #9952600 - 03/11/09 04:08 PM (15 years, 11 days ago)

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1 liter = ~16 cubic inches, 1,8 liters = 28,8 cubic inches... that means the best flush gave 8,99g per cubic inch.




My friend, 1 liter = about 61 cubic inches, so 1.8 liters = 110 cubic inches...  So, about 2.35 g/in³.

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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: archivist]
    #9952667 - 03/11/09 04:21 PM (15 years, 11 days ago)

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1 liter = about 61 cubic inches




Oh right, I miscalculated a bit... not used to all the foots and inches and ounces, we use the metric system here...


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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: shroomzey]
    #9970485 - 03/14/09 01:32 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

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Well I'm bored... waiting for a PC load to finish up.  I figure why not post the results?  I'll do the math and see what the WET grams per cubic inch comes out to per person...

Person: volume = wet grams per cubic inch

archivist: 10x6x2" tray (coir/verm) = 1.6 G per cubic inch.
            15x12x3" monotub (hmc) = 1.53 G per cubic inch

Spongiform: 18 gallon monotub w/ 22 total quarts = 1.25 G per cubic inch

And for Jitsu.. not sure, the math doesn't add up.
Ratio Volume = 1:2 bulk ratio using 1 pint of rye = 1.5 quarts of bulk sub = 86.6 cubic inches.

Tray = 12" x 6.5" x 2 = 156 cubic inches, either you had a casing layer the same thickness as your bulk sub or this is just an estimation... even if it is and we're counting air in this.. its still a lot.

Jitsu: Ratio Volume = 6.9 G per cubic inch
      Tray Volume = 3.8 G per cubic inch

shroomer17: assuming the 6 qt tray was full = 2.1 G per cubic inch

These are all rough numbers so don't get on my case, just letting people see the math.

For some further comparisons.. I'm gonna pull some numbers from some grows posted in other threads...

large_dose: 2.25 qt spawn + 5 quarts (4qt coir / 1 pint coffe / 1 pint verm) uncased = 4.3 G per cubic inch

HippieChick:  4.25 total bulk volume (uncased h-manure sub cake) = 2.7 G per cubic inch

Blue Helix: 10 total quarts = 2.4 G per cubic inch

And what is really funny about the above, is these results from HippieChick and Blue Helix are in the same thread... and Blue goes on to say how a mastered casing layer will improve yields... yet by volume she actually out did his example.  And all she did was fruit an uncased sub as a cake(took it out of the tub).  These numbers are really rough but it goes to show...  I'm thinking that fruiting these substrate blocks and exposing all 5 sides is getting more weight out in the first flush... which still is a positive.  Less substrate shelf life.




How exactly does mine come out so much further ahead?

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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: large_dose]
    #9970876 - 03/14/09 02:54 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

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How exactly does mine come out so much further ahead?




It was based on your uncased tub.

"large_dose: 2.25 qt spawn + 5 quarts (4qt coir / 1 pint coffe / 1 pint verm) uncased = 4.3 G per cubic inch"

You did two tubs, using a total of 6 quarts of spawn. 

So 3 quarts per tub, with each jar 3/4's full of spawn = a total of 2.25 quarts of spawn.

"large_dose: 2.25 qt spawn + 5 quarts (4qt coir / 1 pint coffe / 1 pint verm) uncased = 4.3 G per cubic inch"

For two tubs you used 1 brick of coir (which expands to 7-8 quarts, I guessed 8) 1 quart of used coffee grounds, 1 quart of verm.

So I split that in half, 4 quarts, 1 pint, and 1 pint.

"large_dose: 2.25 qt spawn + 5 quarts (4qt coir / 1 pint coffe / 1 pint verm) uncased = 4.3 G per cubic inch"

For a total of 7.25 quarts of spawn.
I used http://www.metric-conversions.org/ I calculate how many cubic inches 7.25 quarts equals.  Now I should have selected dry quarts off of that conversion site, bit I did everything in liquid quarts.  Once I started to use liquid I just kept with it so all the final numbers were relative.

7.25 qt(US Liq) = 418.687 in³

You listed 183 DRY grams as your uncased first flush, so I just tacked on a 0 and said you got 1830 fresh grams, (this dry/wet comparison varies, but I would suspect you actually got a higher wet weight)

so, 1830 wet grams / 418.687 in³ = 4.37 grams per cubic inch.

So really, if you wanna round up, you got 4.4.

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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: shroomzey]
    #9970920 - 03/14/09 02:59 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

I've never had mushrooms that had a dry weight of 1/10 of the wet weight, it's usually between 1/8 and 1/9 IME.


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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: ScavengerType]
    #9970944 - 03/14/09 03:03 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

me either ... besides penis envy.

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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: large_dose]
    #9970985 - 03/14/09 03:10 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

Really?  I'm curious how much effect strain may have on that.  My dry verse wet weights are more like 1/11.


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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: shroomzey]
    #9971028 - 03/14/09 03:17 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

I'm innately suspicious it's more to do with how it's grown but strain may be a sizable factor as well.


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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: large_dose]
    #9971086 - 03/14/09 03:27 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

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Quote:

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For some further comparisons.. I'm gonna pull some numbers from some grows posted in other threads...

large_dose: 2.25 qt spawn + 5 quarts (4qt coir / 1 pint coffe / 1 pint verm) uncased = 4.3 G per cubic inch





How exactly does mine come out so much further ahead?




Well because he said 2.25qt of spawn + 5 qt (substrate)... but the link he posted, you used 6qt of spawn and about 10qt of substrate.

so his numbers were off by about half... and his 4.3g/ci was off as a result.

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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: Shroominit]
    #9971156 - 03/14/09 03:41 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

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Well because he said 2.25qt of spawn + 5 qt (substrate)... but the link he posted, you used 6qt of spawn and about 10qt of substrate.

so his numbers were off by about half... and his 4.3g/ci was off as a result.




Didn't he split the spawn and the bulk up amongst two tubs?  One uncased, one cased.  I only counted the uncased tub.  Which is why I split the numbers.


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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: shroomzey]
    #9971183 - 03/14/09 03:49 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

Sorry, I didn't realize that he split them. I thought he had used the same measures PER tub.


(removed some calculations here that were useless)

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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: Shroominit]
    #9971197 - 03/14/09 03:52 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

don't forget that's dry. Assuming a ratio of 1/9 dry/wet weight it'd be 3.789g/si or at 1/8 3.368g/si.

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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: ScavengerType]
    #9971279 - 03/14/09 04:07 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

Lol, sorry, edited it like 15 seconds after posting, because I saw that it was off by the factor of wet to dry.

The only other thing it could be (besides large_dose being the best grower ever, and he magically grows 2x as much) would be that you estimated substrate quantity used by other's on the list.

If you go by his tub, he says it's a 66qt (24.5*17.75) and 3.5-4" deep which makes the total 1631 cubic inches.
1631/1830 = 1.1 ish (way different from 3.4).

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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: Shroominit]
    #9971351 - 03/14/09 04:17 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

well he probibly is.

My tub measuring 9"x17"x2" = 308si and dry weight about ~ 52 g if I recall = 1.52g/si wet at a dry/wet ratio estimation of 1/9. LD is a great grower and that was my first monotub. I'm not surprised he can net so much.


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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: shroomzey]
    #9972336 - 03/14/09 06:52 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

Hmm, when you worked out the numbers I was pretty surprised that 7 quarts would fill a 66qt tub to 3.5-4", which was LD's substrate depth.  Not sure what the dimensions of his tub is, but I have a 66 Rubbermaid Clear Impressions tub that measures about 20"x12" at the bottom and there's got to be at least 9-10 quarts of spawn in there with only 2.5" sub depth.

I also saw this on his post...
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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: archivist]
    #9972632 - 03/14/09 07:46 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

just finished 1st flush on a 5" x 9" x 2" ( zip-lock tub ) wbs spawned to coir/verm/coffee - 60/30/10. spawn ratio of 1:1 it yielded exactly 240g wet.

a little while ago i did same spawn, sub, but 7" x 12" x 3" ish ( sterilite 6 qt ) at about 1:2 spawn ratio. that one yielded about 450g wet.

both uncased and flipped out of the tray. pink buffalo ms.

this is an interesting thread as i've been contemplating this for a while and so far (which isn't very far) i'm personally noticing a bigger difference in depth rather than overall size effecting yield. i have 2 of the smaller trays ( zip-lock) fruiting now and a larger (6 qt, 4" deep) colonizing now but, the strain is diff. and i think it's weak so if it makes it to fruiting i'll post the comparison anyway.

i haven't done the math on the other posts but are you seeing the depth having more of an influence? i have a spawn calculator that recommends 5" depth i may do 6" or 7" next if i have enough material just to see but i'm afraid of compaction. is that just a problem for cakes?


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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: archivist]
    #9979959 - 03/16/09 01:53 AM (15 years, 6 days ago)


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Hmm, when you worked out the numbers I was pretty surprised that 7 quarts would fill a 66qt tub to 3.5-4", which was LD's substrate depth.  Not sure what the dimensions of his tub is, but I have a 66 Rubbermaid Clear Impressions tub that measures about 20"x12" at the bottom and there's got to be at least 9-10 quarts of spawn in there with only 2.5" sub depth.

I also saw this on his post...
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(the ratios listed below will do one monotub)







Nice, can't believe I skipped over something so easily.  Well, thanks for pointing it out.  You can just chop his G per cubic inch ratio in half then.


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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: shroomzey]
    #9980052 - 03/16/09 02:23 AM (15 years, 6 days ago)

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Nice, can't believe I skipped over something so easily.  Well, thanks for pointing it out.  You can just chop his G per cubic inch ratio in half then.





I was wondering how that worked out. Good to know :thumbup:

Edit: Also, from rubbermaid site: 26.5x15.8x13.5in on the 66qt(for two different kinds, they may have more that were not listed though.) My numbers were from my sterilite tubs/the sterilite website.

Edit again: Archivist, 7 quarts of SPAWN in a 1:3 or 1:4 ratio gives you 3.5-4". (Glad I made that calculator..lol) It should be 29quarts total spawn. ~1750ci

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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: Shroominit]
    #10002422 - 03/19/09 04:29 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

I finished drying the harvest from this 4 quart block last night:







The pinset was very uneven, but the clusters were mind-blowing.  The wet weight came out to a total of 578.5.  It dried down to 51.1 though.

The wet ratio was 2.5 G per cubic inch. So, not bad but worse than the tray I had going.  The block consisted of 2 jars of spawn (1.5 quarts) plus 2.5 coir/verm/coffee/gypsum.

I've got like ten more of these puppies in the greenhouse right now that I'll be harvest in a couple days... so I'll get the ratios on them too.  I dunked this block overnight, and its back in the GH now, I'm curious what the second flush will prove... the clusters left some mighty craters in it though, lol.

Also, my dry weight after drying the 1400+ wet weight off of that tray came out to 121 dry grams.  Is this just me getting these dry/wet weights? 

Maybe its my greenhouse?  This thing fucking PUMPS water, it'll fog up the house thick while the fogger is on, humidity is 100%, and its not flooding it anything, but the air is really moving.  And once the fogger turns off it clears out completely while still maintaining 97+ rh.  Maybe its just really pumping the fruits up with water?


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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: shroomzey]
    #10002521 - 03/19/09 04:45 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

I did two comparison tubs recently using the same clone and same size/recipe bulk sub.

edit: forgot to mention substrate measurements.
20 quarts bulk substrate (coir, hpoo, corn cob, mgmc, coffee)
+ 6 quarts spawn (6 quart jars + 1 pint)
Tub #1


Used polyfill for ventillation.



463 wet weight
(48 grams dry)

Tub #2
Circular soffit vents for ventillation plus 2-3 mistings per day.  Usually one good soaking plus 2 light mistings.





950 wet weight
103 dry weight

Potency wise, these things are killer, 1 gram is roughly equal to 3.5 grams of regular stuff so even though they produce less yield, they're equivelant to 3 times their weight.


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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: Spongiform]
    #10002600 - 03/19/09 04:55 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

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I did two comparison tubs recently using the same clone and same size/recipe bulk sub.

edit: forgot to mention substrate measurements.
20 quarts bulk substrate (coir, hpoo, corn cob, mgmc, coffee)
+ 6 quarts spawn (6 quart jars + 1 pint)
Tub #1


Used polyfill for ventillation.



463 wet weight
(48 grams dry)

Tub #2
Circular soffit vents for ventillation plus 2-3 mistings per day.  Usually one good soaking plus 2 light mistings.





950 wet weight
103 dry weight

Potency wise, these things are killer, 1 gram is roughly equal to 3.5 grams of regular stuff so even though they produce less yield, they're equivelant to 3 times their weight.




are those PE?


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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: artizen]
    #10002677 - 03/19/09 05:11 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

Yup, a PE cloned fruit.


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    #10003494 - 03/19/09 07:16 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

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God damn dude that cluster is absolute madness!


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    #10003550 - 03/19/09 07:22 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

Yeah, when I first had these greenhouses I was skeptical of their performance.. I got hit by a huge trich outbreak which set me back quite a bit.  But now that I've got things flowing nicely... I'm becoming more and more pleasantly surprised.  I can't wait to get a good isolate in here. 
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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: archivist]
    #10016232 - 03/21/09 07:41 PM (15 years, 1 day ago)

damn spongiform that really shows the benefits of FAE in growing, even with cubes.

That's some true scientific work.


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    #10016280 - 03/21/09 07:49 PM (15 years, 1 day ago)

I think alot of it has to do with genetics.  This strain is not tolerant of poor fae.  Clearly some are, like this one.


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    #10020665 - 03/22/09 03:57 PM (15 years, 5 hours ago)

I'll have to try that one day with some of my own.


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