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Jitsu
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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: ScavengerType]
#9948381 - 03/10/09 08:58 PM (15 years, 12 days ago) |
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ScavengerType said: wait do you mean coir/coffee verm gypsum? Lime would be a funny adative to add to the substrate.
nope, lime
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ICdeadPeople
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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: Jitsu]
#9949015 - 03/10/09 10:59 PM (15 years, 12 days ago) |
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lime in the casing layer ... right
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Jitsu
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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: ICdeadPeople]
#9949087 - 03/10/09 11:12 PM (15 years, 12 days ago) |
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ICdeadPeople said: lime in the casing layer ... right
haha nope in the substrate ;D
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Shroominit
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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: Jitsu]
#9949253 - 03/10/09 11:46 PM (15 years, 12 days ago) |
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I'm not arguing with those results.
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Jitsu
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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: Shroominit]
#9949311 - 03/10/09 11:55 PM (15 years, 12 days ago) |
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lol why is that so weird?
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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: Shroominit]
#9949335 - 03/10/09 11:58 PM (15 years, 12 days ago) |
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Shroominit said: I'm not arguing with those results.
i 2nd that
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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: ICdeadPeople]
#9949545 - 03/11/09 12:29 AM (15 years, 12 days ago) |
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I managed to get roughly 730g wet first flush from a 6qt tub about a month ago. I can get the dimensions later, but the sub depth was probably 4" or so. I used roughly 1:4 spawn to sub ratio, and the substrate mix was coir/verm/straw if I remember correctly. My usual for a 6qt tub is around 450g first flush (i've probably done around 6 of them now).
I've moved on and currently have 4 63qt monotubs pinning. I'll see how the yields compare and report the numbers back here, but I'm thinking I might end up liking the 6qt tubs better. We'll see. I just dont have and can't get/build a greenhouse to fruit a bunch of 6qt trays in yet, so they wont really work for my purposes right now.
BTW, the pic in my avatar is a 6qt tray fruited in a shotgun RH that gave me about 450g wet on that flush.
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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: Jitsu]
#9949604 - 03/11/09 12:41 AM (15 years, 12 days ago) |
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Jitsu said:
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ScavengerType said: wait do you mean coir/coffee verm gypsum? Lime would be a funny adative to add to the substrate.
nope, lime
x2... pH control
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shroomzey
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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: shroomer17]
#9949667 - 03/11/09 01:00 AM (15 years, 12 days ago) |
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Well I'm bored... waiting for a PC load to finish up. I figure why not post the results? I'll do the math and see what the WET grams per cubic inch comes out to per person...
Person: volume = wet grams per cubic inch
archivist: 10x6x2" tray (coir/verm) = 1.6 G per cubic inch. 15x12x3" monotub (hmc) = 1.53 G per cubic inch
Spongiform: 18 gallon monotub w/ 22 total quarts = 1.25 G per cubic inch
And for Jitsu.. not sure, the math doesn't add up. Ratio Volume = 1:2 bulk ratio using 1 pint of rye = 1.5 quarts of bulk sub = 86.6 cubic inches.
Tray = 12" x 6.5" x 2 = 156 cubic inches, either you had a casing layer the same thickness as your bulk sub or this is just an estimation... even if it is and we're counting air in this.. its still a lot.
Jitsu: Ratio Volume = 6.9 G per cubic inch Tray Volume = 3.8 G per cubic inch
shroomer17: assuming the 6 qt tray was full = 2.1 G per cubic inch
These are all rough numbers so don't get on my case, just letting people see the math.
For some further comparisons.. I'm gonna pull some numbers from some grows posted in other threads...
large_dose: 2.25 qt spawn + 5 quarts (4qt coir / 1 pint coffe / 1 pint verm) uncased = 4.3 G per cubic inch
2.15 G per cubic inch HippieChick: 4.25 total bulk volume (uncased h-manure sub cake) = 2.7 G per cubic inch
Blue Helix: 10 total quarts = 2.4 G per cubic inch
And what is really funny about the above, is these results from HippieChick and Blue Helix are in the same thread... and Blue goes on to say how a mastered casing layer will improve yields... yet by volume she actually out did his example. And all she did was fruit an uncased sub as a cake(took it out of the tub). These numbers are really rough but it goes to show... I'm thinking that fruiting these substrate blocks and exposing all 5 sides is getting more weight out in the first flush... which still is a positive. Less substrate shelf life.
Edited by shroomzey (03/20/09 10:58 AM)
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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: oddiseus]
#9949699 - 03/11/09 01:07 AM (15 years, 12 days ago) |
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I have heard of people with acidic water using lime to balance their PH.
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shroomzey
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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: shroomzey]
#9949710 - 03/11/09 01:09 AM (15 years, 12 days ago) |
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And now for my entry. I just had a 16" x 16" x 2.5" uncased seeding tray hit 1430 G fresh.
Here's the math:
2.25 quarts (3 quart jars @ 3/4's full) spawn to 6 quarts of coir/verm/coffe/gypsum(65/20/10/5)
8.25 quarts = 476.437 cubic inches
1430/476 = 3 G per cubic inch
Strain was Orrisa India.
I just started fruiting a ton of 4.5 quart tub cakes(turned the sub upside down onto the lid exposing 5 sides) @ a 1:1 ratio, I'll report back with the results.
Its kind of cool to actually see all the math... people are posting these grows with all these huge yields... but until you actually get all the numbers no one knows who is really the most efficient by volume.
I really wanna see eatyualive post some results... I'm gonna pm him and ask him to...
especially when you see him pulling shit like this:
Edited by shroomzey (03/11/09 01:28 AM)
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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: shroomzey]
#9950923 - 03/11/09 10:49 AM (15 years, 11 days ago) |
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here's another one I dug up.
20 quarts bulk sub, 6 quarts crumbled PF cake. 500 grams wet first flush
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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: shroomzey]
#9951110 - 03/11/09 11:25 AM (15 years, 11 days ago) |
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I like the math Shroomzey, never thought to do it lol
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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: ICdeadPeople]
#9951958 - 03/11/09 02:11 PM (15 years, 11 days ago) |
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Sorry my memory didn't serve me well. Here is a better picture of the tray and the pint of spawn I used.
It was burma and they were solid as hell.
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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: Jitsu]
#9952343 - 03/11/09 03:15 PM (15 years, 11 days ago) |
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Well either way, that is still pretty sick ratio, since the tray volume is counting air, and the ratio volume is counting the sub.. your G per cubic inch is somewhere between the 2 numbers I posted... Respectable none the less. =)
By the way, when doing this math I'm using US liquid quarts.
You can figure out the conversions easily here: http://www.metric-conversions.org/
I want to see some of the TC's post some record grows... who has the best by volume ratio?
Spongiform's new addition: 26 total qt's / 500 G fresh = .33 G per cubic inch. Lowest yet! Granted its PE.
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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: shroomzey]
#9952432 - 03/11/09 03:32 PM (15 years, 11 days ago) |
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Not only was it PE, but the spawn was PF cakes. Which has a lesser value then regular grain spawn.
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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: Spongiform]
#9952470 - 03/11/09 03:41 PM (15 years, 11 days ago) |
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Best single flush so far: 259g from a 1.8 liter tray. So far I have harvested 548g from the tray, but I'm still fruiting it, hoping to get one more flush from it...
So, 1 liter = ~61 cubic inches, 1,8 liters = 109,842 cubic inches... that means the best flush gave 2,35g per cubic inch.
And, in total so far the tray has produced 4,98g per cubic inch.
Picture of the best flush:
Oh, I guess I should answer these:
Weight of BEST single flush = 259g Substrate dimensions (length x width x depth) = ? no idea Substrate composition = WBS spawned to coir,coffee & verm Casing used? = none Strain = Amazon clone
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Edited by dead (03/11/09 04:26 PM)
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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: dead]
#9952600 - 03/11/09 04:08 PM (15 years, 11 days ago) |
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dead said: 1 liter = ~16 cubic inches, 1,8 liters = 28,8 cubic inches... that means the best flush gave 8,99g per cubic inch.
My friend, 1 liter = about 61 cubic inches, so 1.8 liters = 110 cubic inches... So, about 2.35 g/inĀ³.
This is great info. Keep posting!
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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: archivist]
#9952667 - 03/11/09 04:21 PM (15 years, 11 days ago) |
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1 liter = about 61 cubic inches
Oh right, I miscalculated a bit... not used to all the foots and inches and ounces, we use the metric system here...
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Re: Substrate size vs. wet weight -- post your results! [Re: shroomzey]
#9970485 - 03/14/09 01:32 PM (15 years, 8 days ago) |
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shroomzey said: Well I'm bored... waiting for a PC load to finish up. I figure why not post the results? I'll do the math and see what the WET grams per cubic inch comes out to per person...
Person: volume = wet grams per cubic inch
archivist: 10x6x2" tray (coir/verm) = 1.6 G per cubic inch. 15x12x3" monotub (hmc) = 1.53 G per cubic inch
Spongiform: 18 gallon monotub w/ 22 total quarts = 1.25 G per cubic inch
And for Jitsu.. not sure, the math doesn't add up. Ratio Volume = 1:2 bulk ratio using 1 pint of rye = 1.5 quarts of bulk sub = 86.6 cubic inches.
Tray = 12" x 6.5" x 2 = 156 cubic inches, either you had a casing layer the same thickness as your bulk sub or this is just an estimation... even if it is and we're counting air in this.. its still a lot.
Jitsu: Ratio Volume = 6.9 G per cubic inch Tray Volume = 3.8 G per cubic inch
shroomer17: assuming the 6 qt tray was full = 2.1 G per cubic inch
These are all rough numbers so don't get on my case, just letting people see the math.
For some further comparisons.. I'm gonna pull some numbers from some grows posted in other threads...
large_dose: 2.25 qt spawn + 5 quarts (4qt coir / 1 pint coffe / 1 pint verm) uncased = 4.3 G per cubic inch
HippieChick: 4.25 total bulk volume (uncased h-manure sub cake) = 2.7 G per cubic inch
Blue Helix: 10 total quarts = 2.4 G per cubic inch
And what is really funny about the above, is these results from HippieChick and Blue Helix are in the same thread... and Blue goes on to say how a mastered casing layer will improve yields... yet by volume she actually out did his example. And all she did was fruit an uncased sub as a cake(took it out of the tub). These numbers are really rough but it goes to show... I'm thinking that fruiting these substrate blocks and exposing all 5 sides is getting more weight out in the first flush... which still is a positive. Less substrate shelf life.
How exactly does mine come out so much further ahead?
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