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This is from me, mjshroomer aka mj and.or mjshroomer and.or John Allen. First off I am not here to flame anyone but to show a few of the alleged lies or misconceptions which come from Camels vast empty mind of lost or misinformation storage space. Camel has spoken of to me in his letters at The Forest Floor where i posted a message to Eddy because my posting rights at spiritplants were removed by someone there. I was flamed both on the Forest Floor Site in my post of my message to Eddy, a message which really flamed no one at the Forest Floor and was only printed there since I had no posting or email privaleges at Spritiplants. I was also sent some rude private messages to which I too, in likewise, rudely threatened and responded. AS for death threats I basically said some rude comments which in a way made me no different than the person posting their flames at me. One such threat was about what I would l8ke to do to someones face if I ever met them personally and a similar threat of 'if you would have been in country in Nam someone would probably have fragged you.' I also believe I threatened to deficate on someones family gravestone.
Well these child-like were wrong for me but I want you all to get a picture or an idea of how easily I get angry when lied to by Camel. ANd this one is just a monor incident.
However Camel has lied to me about many things since day one when he used pictures from me for his supposely Psilocybine Mushroom Association of America Magazine advertised at the shroomery as an online publication for $75.00 a month. A monthly on line mushroom magazine which never appeared, yet one wonders if anyone ever sent him the money for issues of the supposedly online mag, of which he used many pictures from me which I loaned to him out of kindness to spread the word of the musrhoom species avaialble to the public which were common.
The one I brought up about shamans is insignificant because he always responded with I can prove this or that, but then he never really produces proof of anything he says he can prove. Thus ending his side of an argument. And thus never proves anything other than saying he can prove this or that.
So I am not here to flame him or anyone but I wanted to bring these three posts to your site to se for yourself of some of the shit I take from him.
Below is a resonse from the forest floor in a response to a Message I posted asking Insomnia to mind his own business. This was in response to a post Insomnia brought up about how much money I made off of the internet from my site and others. Or his regarding how much money he thought I made off of my website form my books, thailand trips, t-shirts, cd;s, sporeprints, etc. My first book Magic Mushrooms of the Pacific Northwest sold 55,000 copies the first 8 months of publicationin 1976 and I made one dollar a book. The book was $2.50 at all stores which carried it through Homestead Book Company., A company to which I also for thirty yearas have supplied sporeprints., which I made thousands of dollars since 1976 when I first wrote magic Mushrooms but have only had an internet sales business since january of the year 2000. Business build up with thousands of cutomers long before any internet business of mine.
. The following post is from Camel in response to a pm I sent to Insomnia who did not like my complaints about his friendship with Camel and who most probably informed Camel of the pm message complaining about his lies.
Read below for Camels response.
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Camel
one hump, not two
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Oct. 25 2002, 2::21 a.m.
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oh the whole PO Box thing with John is like this (i really dont understand how/why he is pissed off at me for this, you figure it out)...
he contacted me last winter to use a picture of a flush of mine to be used on a cd of his or something. and because of that he offered me a free cd. i gave him my addy, and kept checking it almost daily at that point in time, and never got anything. he then sent me a pm saying he got it back return-to-sender. i told him he must have written the wrong addy down or something. he tried to send it again, but somehow managed to mess it up the second time as well. then this is when he started accusing me of "changing my po box" amongst other nonsensical things that i think only he could think up. i then told him to keep the stupid cd and that i didnt really want it anyway, i only accepted it b/c he offered it (i never would have accepted in the first place if i would have known his inability to send a package, and his crazy/nonsensical temper).
again, i REALLY dont know how/why he is/can be pissed over this... you try and figure it out
be well
camel
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"Transcending the bullshit."
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Mjshroomer here again.
Below is a post to me of at PM in my private message box at the shroomy made on Feb 10, 2002 at 12:58 A. M.
Okay, now below is the second returned package again from this po. box. Camel posted in the pm shown above.
This one was mailed on the 28th of Feb 2002 and sent back tp me back exactly on the 8 of March ten days later after I mailed it to him a second time.
Read the postmans notes and markings.
I also pmed Camel and the letter is in my files as to yes he still had the po box and even checked it a few days before.
And as soon as I can find time I will print out the letter mailed to the post master at that same po. box who rewrote me claiming that Matt Allen closed his box weeks before and left no forwarding addres as indicatedd in the above picture.
Then Camel sent me an obnoxious lletter telling me to keep the stupid cd-rom and give it to some one else. WEll I have contacted that person for the other third mailing of the cd-rom and they have the orginal envelope also with the mushroom cultivation video I remailed a third time to camel and it too is marked no forwarding address,
So think what one may about this matter. I will not respond to his bs again.
This is the kind of games he plays and why i cannot and do not want anything to do with him.
AS for the Forest Floor it is a cool site and I have no complaints about that site and never have.
mj
ANd I really have more important work than to defend my self against people with only ten, twenty or thirty or forty posts who are obviously other regular mnembers who use phony names to hide who they really are.
AS for spying, I know one web user here in seattle who actually cam-records his chatline converasatins for a possible book on drug chatlines and the comments posted.messages when he is on the chatline. So for all of you paranoid people who worry about security should think about that one
Why this person cams them Is beyond me bwecasue most of the conversations can be pretty stupid and make no sense wmongst people talking about subjects and getting advice from newbies who do not know what they are telling others about. My friend says he just likes to keep records for a possible book someday..
And there is nothing wrong with boxtop, he is an honest spore vendor.
mj
I will not be responding nack to this post.
Edited by 3DSHROOM (10/26/02 07:49 PM)
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