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Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF
#9932111 - 03/08/09 01:51 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ok, the title says it all. I'm not a idiot, and I'm not just paranoid. At random hours of the day and late at night there are cops parked near my house. Almost every time i pull out of my driveway, i notice a unmarked cop car pulls out of the lot across from me and follows me. Most of the time i am going to work, stopping at my house while I'm at work, or leaving at all hours of the night to go to the gym and sometimes my friends house. I am not a regular 9-5 guy by far. I leave my house sometimes at 5 in the morning when i can't sleep to go to the gas station to get gummy worms or something just as stupid.
I look out my windows alot and notice city cops just parked a ways down from my house just sitting there. During the day i caught some lady in a government plated car writing on a clipboard when i left, then when i came home. I waved to her and she drove away. I looked out the window of my kitchen 20 minutes later and she was parked out there again. I'm seriously like wtf is going on here. I feel like I'm being watched all the time. I really am not stupid, and i am really not seeing things here. My wife called me today and asked me if i saw the cop follow me when i left for work. I did see the cop, and he followed me all the way to work, then looked dead at me when i parked and he drove past. I even recognized him. He comes in all the time and orders food to go in his uniform.
I am not a drug dealer. I do not grow drugs. I do not manufacture drugs of any kind. I may or may not have a little herb sitting around now and then, but never more than like 20 bucks worth. The only reason i can think of that they are watching me, is because of my constant coming and going at all hours. I work late at night, so i am a night person. I live in a small ass hick town, and i guess you can say i dress way different than the normal hick that i live around. I have sent letters from norml.com asking for my state to look over the medical marijuana laws many times. Would that be enough to watch me? Even my dad had came over and noticed cops following him from my house. This is tripping me out.
If you were me would you get rid of any smoke that may or may not be sitting around? Or would you just laugh at these pigs that are wasting their time following me? I did notice someone went though my garage a month ago. My old mushroom growing supplies were pulled out, and it looked like someone had looked though the bin i keep it in. I live in a small town that is safe as hell, so i never bothered to lock my garage. I never thought someone might break in and have a look around. I have a old print in there with a few syringes.
What would you do in my case? The most i have is a few nugs, my bowl, and my old mushroom supplies. This town is a bit fucked up. At least once a year here cops walk through backyards and look around. I asked them what the fuck they were doing once, and they told me they were looking for illegal fires that were reported in the area. the next year they said they were looking for a trespasser. I told them that they were trespassing on my property, and they told me to shut up and go back in my house. I called the police station and they told me they were looking for someone lighting off fireworks. It was 1 am, but there was no one lighting fireworks. They were doing random searches for weed growing i think. It is always in September, which is harvest time.
I frequent the shroomery as you may notice, but i highly doubt that that is the reason they would be doing what they are doing. I do go to a buddies house a block away and smoke every now and then. He does have alot of people coming and going, and I'm wondering if they might actually be watching his house to. They park almost in between our 2 houses. I think the next time i see them out there, i might walk over the their cars and start a conversation. Just ask them if i have a psycho neighbor or something. I should ask them if they are watching someone who is on house arrest, and if i should worry about my kids.
I really am not seeing things, or freaking out for any reason. My wife even is freaked out, because she see's them following me. I really have done nothing wrong that would warrant them to pay any attention to me at all. Unless someone i know got busted and started talking about shit i use to do for some reason. I do know one guy who left town awful fast a few months ago when it started. I dunno, I'm picking my brain here trying to figure this out. I may stop smoking for awhile just to be safe, but then really what can they do? Raid my house on suspicion? This IS a small town that would bother someone like me if they had reason, and they would take it quit serious even tho i am harmless. The cops have nothing to do around here but pull people over and bother skateboarders, so i guess if they got the wrong idea about me they might look into it.
This is so stupid i have to worry like this. I thought for the first month they were around that i was just trippin out, but people that come over are telling me that i am not just seeing shit. What would you do in this situation? I commend you if you have read all of this.
-Kada
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Kada]
#9932119 - 03/08/09 01:56 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well if they really are watching you that much I'd make sure to never have anything in your car, or visible in your house that suggests illegal activities. So keep everything clean.. make sure your car doesn't smell like MJ, etc.
I bet a neighbor noticed your suspicious times and told someone about it. neighbors are pretty damn pesky either trying to get you in trouble, or always trying to be your friend.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Kada]
#9932338 - 03/08/09 06:17 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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rig a camera up on ur front porch so you can watch them
you can get cheap setups with a monitor for 100 bucks these days
a couple of bright movement sensor spot lights set up too fucks all off your property if they arent legitmately visiting
cops hate cameras,as do most people when they see one
they duck and try to weave out of its way when people knock on my door but mines camoflauged with flowers and you dont notice it till your face is in it for me to look at
i had three cops all standing in a bunch to the left on my porch once
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: filthee]
#9932468 - 03/08/09 07:50 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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damn that's crazy..let me know what happens
if cops were following me everyday I would go up to their car and ask them why
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: shadyy]
#9932504 - 03/08/09 08:16 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Okay,I stopped reading half way through.
As a precaution,clear your house of incriminating stuff.
Then,when you see them outside your house clearly watching you,go up to the window and politely ask what they are doing as you've seen them outside regularly.
Also mention that you noticed they were following you and you want to know what's up.
Don't play the smart cunt who laughs at them. That will never pay off.
I wouldn't let that go on at all. Police parked outside my house,I'd be straight up asking questions and inquiring. Sort that out.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Burbles]
#9932512 - 03/08/09 08:21 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Burbles said: Well if they really are watching you that much I'd make sure to never have anything in your car, or visible in your house that suggests illegal activities. So keep everything clean.. make sure your car doesn't smell like MJ, etc.
Good advice. It's a legal loophole, but the "smell" of smoke can give an officer probably cause to check any automobile without consent. However, some crooked cops can claim they smell marijuana anyways and just barge in without a warrant.
I don't know how the American system works now that it's post 9/11 with the Patriot Act and all. Maybe just being on the shroomery and driving around late at night is enough.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Wapakz]
#9932682 - 03/08/09 09:37 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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They can't follow you forever. Lay low for a while and don't do anything shady.
Sucks to see a waste of resources. If there are always cops tailing you, then that means they have too many cops for your town. Maybe if Ted Bundy were still around cops would have something better to do than follow people who drive around at night.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: LobsterSauce]
#9932842 - 03/08/09 10:34 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I wouldn't let that go on at all. Police parked outside my house,I'd be straight up asking questions and inquiring. Sort that out.
Agreed. Ask what's going on, maybe clear things up for their imaginative minds.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: AuroricDistortions]
#9933008 - 03/08/09 11:34 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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also, recent supreme court decisions show a trend toward including evidence even if it was obtained through lack of a proper warrant.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: AuroricDistortions]
#9933349 - 03/08/09 12:58 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'd be cautious if you choose to ask them what they're doing. Remember: almost anything you say can be taken as suspicious given the wrong interpretation.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: NizzyJones]
#9933497 - 03/08/09 01:34 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I like the camera idea. Cops hate that shit because they can't just lie and deny what they did. Judges tend to believe video more than greasy cops. The camera doesn't have to be working to do it's job. Buy a non working one for a couple bucks and set it up. They even sell fake cameras complete with the red light on in front for about $15 or so. It makes the piggy wiggies be on their best behavior.
It was probably a neighbor who smelled pot and called the law.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: NizzyJones]
#9933582 - 03/08/09 01:52 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks for easing my minds guys. I know they can't just come busting in or they would have. I am very safe with everything i do, so there is no way they are going to catch me doing anything at all. This is such a joke that they even care to follow me around. I am in no way a bad guy at all.
I am on the other hand going to find out if someone threw my name out there. Someone i know must have gotten in trouble, and they had to have givin my name. Cops wouldn't just follow me around just because i come and go alot. There must have been a catalist to this all.
This is just one giant waist of taxpayer money. I really wish they had better things to do.
-Kada
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Kada]
#9938847 - 03/09/09 10:23 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I do not know if I would stroll up to their window and ask what's up because you know they are going to lie, thus end up confusing you more on their intentions. They are looking for any kind of evidence to get a warrant to bust you for something. The mushroom grow thing is spooky, but remember all those edibles you grew and enjoyed?
I would actually go outside with a camera and take pictures of them. Nothing illegal or suspicious about that and obviously they don't like to be known. If they find out your onto them, maybe they will quit. I say things like this so others will read it and respond because I am only curious, not saying I have the set solution.
Remember, if they come up to your door to question you, feel free to have a tape recorder playing at all times and/or have a video camera you can start rolling outside when you hear the door.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Funguymon]
#9947710 - 03/10/09 07:14 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Cult of veda]
#9948027 - 03/10/09 08:00 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Since i wrote this post i havn't sen one cop near my house until today. My neighboor called me from the bar and told me there was a unmarked white car driving by my house really slow. I looked out the window and it was in my driveway. I thought, "oh fuck here comes the pigs." But i looked out and they saw me, so they backed out of the driveway and drove off. I went to work a hour later and didn't see them the rest of the night.
I bet they will have someone sitting outside tonight. I always go out on teusday nights, so if they are out there im going to go say hi. I'll let you all know. Could be fun. And yes im bringing a video camera.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Kada]
#9948261 - 03/10/09 08:38 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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fucking A i can't wait hahaha
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: shadyy]
#9948590 - 03/10/09 09:38 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Usually they dont waste that kind of money.. doing that.. on a daily basis. They're using a deterance method.. n trying to scare you. They may have found old things.. and someone could have reported smells.. or reported complete B.S. Smack it head on. Showem the bull has horns, well that only if your not doing anything.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Kada]
#9948920 - 03/10/09 10:40 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I bet they are at your house when you aren't home, you should trick them and be at home sometime. Also get a tripod and put a camera on it, whenever they show up just stand behind the tripod and turn the tripod with every move they make. You also might try following them.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Rebirtha]
#9948963 - 03/10/09 10:48 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Damn man. Fuck them cops. I would start investigating them. Write down their license plate numbers, take pictures of their cars. Whatever it takes. Tell them you are going to press charges if they dont stop parking in your driveway or stalking you. Because that is just what it is. You should definitely compile some evidence on these pig-dog fucks. Make it your new hobby. Police the Police. And the fake camera thing isnt a bad idea. You can actually be like "oh, you dont have to have permission to walk through my yard? well this camera will tell them otherwise and its not just my word against yours. That would be funny. And then straight up ask them what the deal is.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: DayzeoftheNu]
#9949028 - 03/10/09 11:02 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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well the first thing you need to do is get rid of anything that might be a felony. probably the old growing supplies; then if you get caught with weed its a simple misdemeanor. but after i got rid of that stuff i would call the police station and ask why they continue to lurk around your house and neighborhood. that would be much better than trying to walk up to a bored small town asshole cop. my bro is a cop and he hates small town cops(he calls them street nazis) remember even cops have superiors. if your really not breaking any laws besides smoking a little weed you I wouldnt lose any sleep over it.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
#9949922 - 03/11/09 02:16 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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1) Get rid of all old growing supplies 2) If you are harassed by an undercover, call the cops on the cops, tell them someone suspicious is following you 3) Make a habit of video taping them. Make them famous on youtube. Once word gets around at the station that they will be famous if they mess with you, they will probably back off. 4) Do engage them in conversation. Make sure they are doing their job with your tax money, not just wasting time. 5) Don't do anything to piss them off other than making them famous.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
#9950307 - 03/11/09 07:21 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well, they weren't out there last night as far as i could tell. I went to sleep really early tho. I'm wondering if the package i received over 3 weeks ago might have made someone curious. I ordered a native American flute from southern California, and they might have thought it was a bong or a pipe of some kind. I dunno, I'm trying to brainstorm still as to why they care to bother me. The post office doesn't have scanners or something like that do they? Aw thats just going to far i think. It is just a damn flute.
LOL. Stupid cops got me thinkin crazy. God i hope they are out there today.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
#9951172 - 03/11/09 11:37 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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keep everything squeaky clean. if you can get a chance, ask one of the shadows why the fuck they are following you. you could also try phoning your local police station and asking wtf is up.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Kada]
#9952084 - 03/11/09 02:37 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Kada said: God i hope they are out there today.
HUH?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
#9952454 - 03/11/09 03:37 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'd try to get to the bottom of it... Go out and ask to see their badges, ask what their business is, tell them that someone ran over something in your driveway and you've seen them turning around in it and ask if they know anything about it, tell them some flowers were run over one day and you're looking to file a small claims against whoever did it, tell them that you've heard of people dressed as police molesting young boys and so you need to see their badges and call them in to make sure they're legit.
Believe me after asking them if they're real cops and if they're trying to molest young boys a few times they'll loose interest fast. Tell them that it looked like they were masturbating while small children walked by and you just wanted to check it out.
Remember you can always report "it looked like" or "I thought I saw" or "I heard instances of..." or "it sounded like..." as much as you want. If you call to report make sure you tell them that you want a note of the incident placed in these officer's personnel files "just to be safe".
You can bet that when a "looked like they were masturbating as children walked by" report shows up in their file they will back off real quick.
Otherwise have some fun with them. Act suspicious, pretend like you're trying to lose them (legally of course). Make them think they are on to something. Then maybe set up a camera in your house as somebody suggested and catch them breaking and entering or trespassing in your garage. There was a case of this where the "never get busted again" guy grew tomatoes under big lights inside and set up a camera to catch cops coming into his place. They had illegally used thermal imaging to find him. He had a nice note notifying them they were on a new show about crooked cops. Boy did they have egg on their faces after that. I think it's posted on youtube.
You could also play dirty. Find a posted private drive to lead them down with a big hidden sinkhole or tire popping devices / spike strip on it. Then videotape them trying to get out, videotape all the damage they cause to the driveway, then sue them for it.
Also remember that it doesn't take much to make the paper in a small town, and people love reading about cop adventures. If you can catch them doing anything at all wrong then they'll be shamed in the paper at least.
Another dirty trick... Take pictures of them and post up warning flyers around school, etc.. Something to the effect of Warning: this man has been seen loitering in vehicles watching schoolchildren... Suspected pedophile, watch for this man and warn your children.
If you did that they would either back off or they'd be so angry that they'd break some major rules trying to get back at you, then you can really get them. You can always say "Sorry, I didn't know you were a cop! I could have sworn you were a pedophile stalking children. It's really hard to tell the difference sometimes."
Good luck, and let us know what happens.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: fastfred]
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: fastfred]
#9954133 - 03/11/09 07:52 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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fastfred said: I'd try to get to the bottom of it... Go out and ask to see their badges, ask what their business is, tell them that someone ran over something in your driveway and you've seen them turning around in it and ask if they know anything about it, tell them some flowers were run over one day and you're looking to file a small claims against whoever did it, tell them that you've heard of people dressed as police molesting young boys and so you need to see their badges and call them in to make sure they're legit.
Believe me after asking them if they're real cops and if they're trying to molest young boys a few times they'll loose interest fast. Tell them that it looked like they were masturbating while small children walked by and you just wanted to check it out.
Remember you can always report "it looked like" or "I thought I saw" or "I heard instances of..." or "it sounded like..." as much as you want. If you call to report make sure you tell them that you want a note of the incident placed in these officer's personnel files "just to be safe".
You can bet that when a "looked like they were masturbating as children walked by" report shows up in their file they will back off real quick.
Otherwise have some fun with them. Act suspicious, pretend like you're trying to lose them (legally of course). Make them think they are on to something. Then maybe set up a camera in your house as somebody suggested and catch them breaking and entering or trespassing in your garage. There was a case of this where the "never get busted again" guy grew tomatoes under big lights inside and set up a camera to catch cops coming into his place. They had illegally used thermal imaging to find him. He had a nice note notifying them they were on a new show about crooked cops. Boy did they have egg on their faces after that. I think it's posted on youtube.
You could also play dirty. Find a posted private drive to lead them down with a big hidden sinkhole or tire popping devices / spike strip on it. Then videotape them trying to get out, videotape all the damage they cause to the driveway, then sue them for it.
Also remember that it doesn't take much to make the paper in a small town, and people love reading about cop adventures. If you can catch them doing anything at all wrong then they'll be shamed in the paper at least.
Another dirty trick... Take pictures of them and post up warning flyers around school, etc.. Something to the effect of Warning: this man has been seen loitering in vehicles watching schoolchildren... Suspected pedophile, watch for this man and warn your children.
If you did that they would either back off or they'd be so angry that they'd break some major rules trying to get back at you, then you can really get them. You can always say "Sorry, I didn't know you were a cop! I could have sworn you were a pedophile stalking children. It's really hard to tell the difference sometimes."
Good luck, and let us know what happens.
-FF
well i think thats a little extreme. im guessing your one of those "mad at the cop types cause u got caught". after all in the u.s. it is illegal to do things like smoke weed and grow shrooms so there is no reason to try and ruin a guys life for doing his job
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I agree that was extreme. But, I do believe people should be responsible for the chaos and injustice they cause by "just doing their jobs". They are still morally responsible for the things they do, even if they were ordered to do such things. I asked a cop once if he liked being a cop. He told me, "Hell yea." I asked him why, and he pointed at his badge and said, "This lets me do all sorts of fucked up shit." Nice guy right?
I say cops deserve whatever they get. Because they break real laws that we have to follow that keep people safe. Sure there can be real super cops out there, but even they speed 30 miles over the speed limit off duty down the street my kids cross the road at just to get to the super market quickly.
I wouldn't get a cop in trouble unless he makes trouble for me in a unappropriated way. I still don't say they are just doing their jobs tho. They are doing their jobs, and in doing that they are being big assholes thet do deserve what they get. Only a giant douch would choose to be a cop with the laws we have today. It's them against the rest of us, and thats what they are trained to think.
-------------------- ~The Cultivators Motherload~ "I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein "There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies. My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama Live long and prosper.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Kada]
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Kada said: I agree that was extreme. But, I do believe people should be responsible for the chaos and injustice they cause by "just doing their jobs". They are still morally responsible for the things they do, even if they were ordered to do such things. I asked a cop once if he liked being a cop. He told me, "Hell yea." I asked him why, and he pointed at his badge and said, "This lets me do all sorts of fucked up shit." Nice guy right?
I say cops deserve whatever they get. Because they break real laws that we have to follow that keep people safe. Sure there can be real super cops out there, but even they speed 30 miles over the speed limit off duty down the street my kids cross the road at just to get to the super market quickly.
I wouldn't get a cop in trouble unless he makes trouble for me in a unappropriated way. I still don't say they are just doing their jobs tho. They are doing their jobs, and in doing that they are being big assholes thet do deserve what they get. Only a giant douch would choose to be a cop with the laws we have today. It's them against the rest of us, and thats what they are trained to think.
i just believe that the majority of cops are not crooked. it is a decent way of making a living and an exciting job. you think we should have no cops or just cops that dont bust people for doing illegal shit. i dont get upset when i get in trouble cause i choose to live in a country that has rules and regs. so if you get busted dont blame it on someone else. man up!
oh and im pretty sure im a minority in thinking this way on this site
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Kada]
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I worked as a campus cop when I went to university. I tried to become a good man in a bad situation. Some duties of cops are legitimate, while others are for stupid drug related stuff. Some of my colleagues would bust people smoking weed and make them break their pipes. When I would catch someone, i'd just tell them that wherever they were doing it wasn't wise because the cops patrol the place, and would recommend them better places to smoke .
When people found out about my cop job, they'd always say "wtf? why would you want to work with the cops??". I would say it would either be me or some dickhead that catches them with bud. I worked really hard, always came in on time, and was an all round good employee. After gaining the respect of my co-workers, I would let my straight-edge friends know that I smoke weed responsibly, and helped break the stereotype of a lazy stoner for them.
There are plenty of bad cops out there, but a few good ones. We have to respect the good ones for leveling the playing field.
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Anonymous said: I worked as a campus cop when I went to university. I tried to become a good man in a bad situation. Some duties of cops are legitimate, while others are for stupid drug related stuff. Some of my colleagues would bust people smoking weed and make them break their pipes. When I would catch someone, i'd just tell them that wherever they were doing it wasn't wise because the cops patrol the place, and would recommend them better places to smoke .
When people found out about my cop job, they'd always say "wtf? why would you want to work with the cops??". I would say it would either be me or some dickhead that catches them with bud. I worked really hard, always came in on time, and was an all round good employee. After gaining the respect of my co-workers, I would let my straight-edge friends know that I smoke weed responsibly, and helped break the stereotype of a lazy stoner for them.
There are plenty of bad cops out there, but a few good ones. We have to respect the good ones for leveling the playing field.
i got pulled over for dwi and blew a .15 on the street which isnt admissable in court so when we got downtown to the breathalyzer that counts the cop let me sit in processing area for nearly two hours b/c i explained to him that i am not a person that ever drives after drinking; i just got unlucky the 1 time i did. I damn near passed the test which is what he was trying to help me do. he almost looked upset that i didnt pass.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
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Kada said: I agree that was extreme. But, I do believe people should be responsible for the chaos and injustice they cause by "just doing their jobs". They are still morally responsible for the things they do, even if they were ordered to do such things. I asked a cop once if he liked being a cop. He told me, "Hell yea." I asked him why, and he pointed at his badge and said, "This lets me do all sorts of fucked up shit." Nice guy right?
I say cops deserve whatever they get. Because they break real laws that we have to follow that keep people safe. Sure there can be real super cops out there, but even they speed 30 miles over the speed limit off duty down the street my kids cross the road at just to get to the super market quickly.
I wouldn't get a cop in trouble unless he makes trouble for me in a unappropriated way. I still don't say they are just doing their jobs tho. They are doing their jobs, and in doing that they are being big assholes thet do deserve what they get. Only a giant douch would choose to be a cop with the laws we have today. It's them against the rest of us, and thats what they are trained to think.
i just believe that the majority of cops are not crooked. it is a decent way of making a living and an exciting job. you think we should have no cops or just cops that dont bust people for doing illegal shit. i dont get upset when i get in trouble cause i choose to live in a country that has rules and regs. so if you get busted dont blame it on someone else. man up!
oh and im pretty sure im a minority in thinking this way on this site
I think that there should be a victim to show for a crime. If there is no victim, there is no crime. What i choose to inhale or injest into my own body in my own home should be my buisness. Smoking pot should not be a crime. But if i go out while im stoned and break someones window out or something like that, now that is a crime. Prohibition is one of the most fucked up thing the government has come up with. There is nothing about prohibition that was for the people. Prohibition is crooked shit, and I don't see how you can say a law is right just because congress passed it.
That reminds me, i love this quote:
I will accept the rules that you feel necessary to your freedom. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do. -Robert Heinlein
-------------------- ~The Cultivators Motherload~ "I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein "There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies. My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama Live long and prosper.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Kada]
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Kada said: I agree that was extreme. But, I do believe people should be responsible for the chaos and injustice they cause by "just doing their jobs". They are still morally responsible for the things they do, even if they were ordered to do such things. I asked a cop once if he liked being a cop. He told me, "Hell yea." I asked him why, and he pointed at his badge and said, "This lets me do all sorts of fucked up shit." Nice guy right?
I say cops deserve whatever they get. Because they break real laws that we have to follow that keep people safe. Sure there can be real super cops out there, but even they speed 30 miles over the speed limit off duty down the street my kids cross the road at just to get to the super market quickly.
I wouldn't get a cop in trouble unless he makes trouble for me in a unappropriated way. I still don't say they are just doing their jobs tho. They are doing their jobs, and in doing that they are being big assholes thet do deserve what they get. Only a giant douch would choose to be a cop with the laws we have today. It's them against the rest of us, and thats what they are trained to think.
i just believe that the majority of cops are not crooked. it is a decent way of making a living and an exciting job. you think we should have no cops or just cops that dont bust people for doing illegal shit. i dont get upset when i get in trouble cause i choose to live in a country that has rules and regs. so if you get busted dont blame it on someone else. man up!
oh and im pretty sure im a minority in thinking this way on this site
I think that there should be a victim to show for a crime. If there is no victim, there is no crime. What i choose to inhale or injest into my own body in my own home should be my buisness. Smoking pot should not be a crime. But if i go out while im stoned and break someones window out or something like that, now that is a crime. Prohibition is one of the most fucked up thing the government has come up with. There is nothing about prohibition that was for the people.
crack should be legal?
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Every drug should be legal. It isn't the governments buisness. What BAD things people do on OR off drugs are what people should be held accountable for. People wouldn't suddenly start smoking crack if it was legal. In times before prohibition of dangerous drugs, there were far less people doing them.
-------------------- ~The Cultivators Motherload~ "I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein "There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies. My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama Live long and prosper.
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Kada said: Every drug should be legal. It isn't the governments buisness. What BAD things people do on OR off drugs are what people should be held accountable for. People wouldn't suddenly start smoking crack if it was legal. In times before prohibition of dangerous drugs, there were far less people doing them.
who would hold them accountable? my mom died from drugs when i was young so don't call drugs victimless
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If you break the law where you are committing a crime on another person, or doing something dangerous where you could harm someone else, then that is a crime. If you fuck up your own life because you cant control yourself, then you should check into rehab before you fuck someone Else's life up by physically harming them. Whatever someone does to themselves because they have no control is their own business. It's time the government stops trying to regulate something they can't regulate while they harm innocent people. Perhaps if drugs were legal some people wouldn't be afraid to get the help they need, instead of thinking there is no hope and harming themselves.
The problems with drugs, is they are illegal. Arresting innocent people, Giving people no way out that need help, creating a black market where honest people have to deal with criminals, jailing good people that need help, and instead locking them up and making them slaves of the state. Prohibition gives people no chance and no hope. If someone does something as stupid as heroin or crack, then they are fucked up to begin with, and making it illegal just makes it harder to help people. Look up Hollands drug programs and rehabs for the addicts. I'm not just some dumb fucker that wants to get high legally. I want the world a better place to.
Prohibition is evil as hell. Read this and tell me they don't know better than we do. Im not saying the shit should be on the drug store shelves. I only smoke weed, but i know prohibition on everything else just causes more problems. Im sorry if your mom had her demons, but did having it illegal really help her out?
Legalize
http://normal.no/txt/pol04ams.htm
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Kada]
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Hell yeah probation is evil. Its like the law givin you rope to hang yourself.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Kada]
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Kada said: If you break the law where you are committing a crime on another person, or doing something dangerous where you could harm someone else, then that is a crime. If you fuck up your own life because you cant control yourself, then you should check into rehab before you fuck someone Else's life up by physically harming them. Whatever someone does to themselves because they have no control is their own business. It's time the government stops trying to regulate something they can't regulate while they harm innocent people. Perhaps if drugs were legal some people wouldn't be afraid to get the help they need, instead of thinking there is no hope and harming themselves.
The problems with drugs, is they are illegal. Arresting innocent people, Giving people no way out that need help, creating a black market where honest people have to deal with criminals, jailing good people that need help, and instead locking them up and making them slaves of the state. Prohibition gives people no chance and no hope. If someone does something as stupid as heroin or crack, then they are fucked up to begin with, and making it illegal just makes it harder to help people. Look up Hollands drug programs and rehabs for the addicts. I'm not just some dumb fucker that wants to get high legally. I want the world a better place to.
Prohibition is evil as hell. Read this and tell me they don't know better than we do. Im not saying the shit should be on the drug store shelves. I only smoke weed, but i know prohibition on everything else just causes more problems. Im sorry if your mom had her demons, but did having it illegal really help her out?
Legalize
http://normal.no/txt/pol04ams.htm
there is a reason drugs are illegal and its the same reason automatic weapons are illegal. they fucking kill thousands of people each year. oh and if its legal and everybodys hooked; well shit im opening a god-damn coke/crack/heroin/meth/extacy supermarket. i agree that weed is pretty harmless and maybe shrooms. Oh and my mom only had 1 "demon" and it killed her. so stfu about my mom. you may have a buddy that can recreationally use drugs and not get hooked; but i can name 10 that got fucked up and hurt themselves and everyone around them. I would recommend you go on a 1 month coke binge and then try and control yourself. go back and read your last post; you contradict yourself like 8 times.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
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Hey MCH, sorry about your mom 
However, keep in mind many people don't seek treatment for addictions because it is currently seen as a criminal problem. Most people addicted to drugs fear seeking treatment because of legal repercussions, and that would likely change with legalization. People also can't refer others to treatment, because that would be narking on them, and getting the cops involved in their lives. Also, proper information could be sent out to people so they know what they are getting themselves into, instead of lies which leave them confused.
Also, if drugs became legal, demand wouldn't skyrocket. People don't do drugs because of their legal status. The reason i don't do coke or hero is not because its illegal, but because I know what it does to people. In fact, I haven't met a single person who doesn't smoke weed who said they would if it were legal.
It is true, drugs do kill and the government should be play some role in protecting the people, but is prohibition really the best way? Are lies, propaganda, forcing people to hide their drug habits, and letting the black market control supply and purity the best way to keep people out of harms way when drugs are involved?
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Are you really going to drive drunk and then pass judgement on people here who do things that kill WAY less people each year? My mom died when i was young too, from cancer from smokeing cigarettes, which are legal. Pot was the only thing that made her feel better, which is illegal. Idk i just love when people jump on here and say drugs are wrong and everyone should be put in jail for it...
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
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Kada said: If you break the law where you are committing a crime on another person, or doing something dangerous where you could harm someone else, then that is a crime. If you fuck up your own life because you cant control yourself, then you should check into rehab before you fuck someone Else's life up by physically harming them. Whatever someone does to themselves because they have no control is their own business. It's time the government stops trying to regulate something they can't regulate while they harm innocent people. Perhaps if drugs were legal some people wouldn't be afraid to get the help they need, instead of thinking there is no hope and harming themselves.
The problems with drugs, is they are illegal. Arresting innocent people, Giving people no way out that need help, creating a black market where honest people have to deal with criminals, jailing good people that need help, and instead locking them up and making them slaves of the state. Prohibition gives people no chance and no hope. If someone does something as stupid as heroin or crack, then they are fucked up to begin with, and making it illegal just makes it harder to help people. Look up Hollands drug programs and rehabs for the addicts. I'm not just some dumb fucker that wants to get high legally. I want the world a better place to.
Prohibition is evil as hell. Read this and tell me they don't know better than we do. I'm not saying the shit should be on the drug store shelves. I only smoke weed, but i know prohibition on everything else just causes more problems. I'm sorry if your mom had her demons, but did having it illegal really help her out?
Legalize
http://normal.no/txt/pol04ams.htm
there is a reason drugs are illegal and its the same reason automatic weapons are illegal. they fucking kill thousands of people each year. oh and if its legal and everybody's hooked; well shit I'm opening a god-damn coke/crack/heroin/meth/extacy supermarket. i agree that weed is pretty harmless and maybe shrooms. Oh and my mom only had 1 "demon" and it killed her. so stfu about my mom. you may have a buddy that can recreationally use drugs and not get hooked; but i can name 10 that got fucked up and hurt themselves and everyone around them. I would recommend you go on a 1 month coke binge and then try and control yourself. go back and read your last post; you contradict yourself like 8 times.
You do know you have to be 18 to post on this site don't you kid? I think I'm actually putting my first person on ignore. You are so ignorant, and have nothing to back up anything you say. You brought up the fact your mom was a junkie and i was sympathetic. You can't hold a intelligent conversation without the temperament of a teenager. Gtfo of my thread.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Green_T]
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This argument sounds kind of backwards to me green, so people dont care about legality when they experiment with drugs but they do when there trying to get clean and get help? Sorry but people who get and stay clean have been to bottoms that will make them go to any lengths to not use including possibly incriminating themselves its there life that's in jeopardy not most value there life over there freedom. Also referring people for treatment and interventions etc are ridiculous IMO and Ive seldom seen it work on anyone for the long term.
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there is a reason drugs are illegal and its the same reason automatic weapons are illegal. they fucking kill thousands of people each year.
By that measure we should also throw people in prison for using prescription medication under the care of their doctor, aspirin, hamburgers, cars, tylenol, cigarettes, or alcohol.
Also, all schedule I drugs would be legal.
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I understand your argument QM. However, with people hiding all their drug use, it is harder to spot abuse and thus help them. People are less likely to admit they have a problem with a substance if their use of it is a crime.
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madsick said: Are you really going to drive drunk and then pass judgement on people here who do things that kill WAY less people each year? My mom died when i was young too, from cancer from smokeing cigarettes, which are legal. Pot was the only thing that made her feel better, which is illegal. Idk i just love when people jump on here and say drugs are wrong and everyone should be put in jail for it...
I didnt pass judgement i said i think pot maybe should be legal but that other douchbag was talking about ruining a cops life by posting flyers all over the place calling them child molestors. thats just rediculous. like i said: man up if you get caught or move to another country. btw the government isnt that harsh on people that do drugs. just the people that are hardcore sellers.
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btw the government isnt that harsh on people that do drugs. just the people that are hardcore sellers.
That is a common rumor but its not true.
For example, in Louisiana, you can be sent to prison for up to 20 years the third time you get caught smoking a joint.
Many drug users get charged as dealers because of the weight of what they have, or due to "evidence of dealing" found in the house. Who doesn't have sandwich baggies in their kitchen? Fresh mushrooms are very heavy, if you find a big cluster of active Gymnopilus on a tree and get caught with that, that is several pounds of a schedule I drug and will get someone a long prison sentence in most places.
Many people who buy drugs own a scale so they don't get ripped off by dealers, but owning drugs and a scale means you get charged as a drug dealer.
Putting a small amount of drugs in a big bottle of water means you have pounds of a drug, triggering a long mandatory minimum prison sentence.
Marijuana cookies are much heavier than just weed, so someone caught baking a batch of cookies would be treated as a drug dealer.
Often when you want to buy 2 grams, the guy will give it to you in two one gram bags, meaning you are a drug dealer if you get caught.
One hit of acid on a sugarcube is just as illegal as a gram of acid which is ten thousand doses.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
#9958949 - 03/12/09 03:19 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: mycoolhamm
You've got a lot to learn kid. When you have more life experience under your belt or study and understand the problem based on the logic of it you'll have a much different view of the world.
Start by looking at the history of prohibition. See how it was founded on hysteria, lies, and racism. Study how ALL cultures have used drugs for religious and recreational purposes for thousands of years before this country was even founded.
Then look at every scientific review of the problem, which has always pointed to prohibition being a much larger problem than drugs. And also that legal drugs cause more deaths and problems than illegal drugs.
Learn some economics and see why prohibition CAN'T work and can only increase profits for violent criminals and deprive the state of tax revenue. Examine how much money is costs us every year to jail our own citizens for something that harmed nobody. They're robbing our children and our citizens to dump money down a sinkhole that only grows bigger the more money that is put into it.
Look at how prohibition has denied people access to treatment by jailing them or stigmatizing them. Look at how anti-drug research is nearly non-existent because almost all drug-related research has been prohibited by the DEA.
I'm amazed that people don't have a basic grasp of logic and truth. It's not hard to find at all.
It's sad that you don't realize that your mother probably wouldn't have died if there was no prohibition. There's about 5-7 reasons why that statement is true.
She might have sought help if it wasn't stigmatized and illegal. She might have sought help if the government wouldn't have taken her children away and sent her to prison for it.
She might have been cured by something like the "cocaine vaccine" if the government hadn't restricted research in that area.
She might never have started if the gov had put the DEA/prison money into education and treatment. Or maybe if they didn't tell baldfaced lies about drugs that lead people to doubt the dangers of drugs.
If the DEA/prison money was spent on education, tax cuts, social assistance, and the like she might have been too wealthy and educated to get involved in drugs.
I could go on but I'm tired of typing.
The real point here is that prohibition likely led to your mother's death, yet you've bought into the government's bullshit.
Prohibition is a dangerous experiment which has been conducted for only a minuscule fraction of the time that man has walked on this earth. People need to realize that this is a failed experiment and is not the norm for the vast majority of history.
As far as you dissing my suggestions... Well if someone is stalking you and trying to take away your freedom and put you in prison you have every right to defend yourself.
You have a lot to learn about cops and after you experience them lying, cheating, robbing, and threatening to kill you you'll probably gain a different perspective about the nature of people that become cops. Check out the shroomery news service. You'll see for yourself how many times they beat people to death, plant drugs on them, shoot unarmed people, cover up for each other, lie in court, etc..
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: fastfred]
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Tracking a group of children from preschool until age eighteen, the two University of California at Berkely researches found that "adolescents who had engaged in some drug experimentation (primarily marijuana) were the best-adjusted in the sample. Adolescents who used drugs frequently were maladjusted, showing a distinct personality syndrome marked by interpersonal alienation, poor impulse control, and manifest emotional distress. Adolescents who, by age eighteen, had never experimented with any drug were relatively anxious, emotionally constricted, and lacking in social skills." "The typical Drugnet responded," they reported, "was well educated, employed full-time, a regular voter, participated in recreational/community activities not involving drugs, and described their physical health status as good. Their mental well-being was similar to [that of] the general adult population." Only about one in ten of the respondents said drug use had resulted in a failure related to school, work, or family life. "This group of drug users appears to be dramatically different from the clinically observed population of drug abusers," the researchers wrote. "This sample also appears to be notably different [from the] popular image of drug consumers as personally and socially deviant individuals."
Quoted with accuracy from Saying Yes! In Defense of Drug Use This book is a good read. Very politically correct and enlightening. Should the minority set the status quo for the majority? We already do this in school and students suffer from it!
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Green_T]
#9959673 - 03/12/09 05:31 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hard to spot drug abuse? Do you even know anyone who does any hard drugs and is addicted. You can tell by the way their mannerisms are and all sorts of ways youd have to be pretty naive not to be able to spot drug abuse.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
#9959754 - 03/12/09 05:41 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Not talking about hard drugs. Even still, the bottom line is people are afraid of laws so they make poor decisions which endanger themselves or others, such as taking too many pills at once to get past checkpoints or waiting till the last minute to call paramedics for an overdose, or dumping the person at the ER and driving away quickly.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Green_T]
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Well you got me there Im even guilty of taking too many pills to get past a checkpoint.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: fastfred]
#9960999 - 03/12/09 08:31 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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prohibition or not my moms organs in her body failed due to damage from LEGAL drugs. she went to rehab 3 times. drugs ruined her mind/body/spirit. fastfred said: Re: mycoolhamm
You've got a lot to learn kid. When you have more life experience under your belt or study and understand the problem based on the logic of it you'll have a much different view of the world.
>>> ive experienced more in life than you can imagine and have traveled all over the world.
Start by looking at the history of prohibition. See how it was founded on hysteria, lies, and racism. Study how ALL cultures have used drugs for religious and recreational purposes for thousands of years before this country was even founded.
>>> You are comparing civilized american culture to cultures thousands of years ago(lol). theres a reason the U.S. is the greatest country on the planet
Then look at every scientific review of the problem, which has always pointed to prohibition being a much larger problem than drugs. And also that legal drugs cause more deaths and problems than illegal drugs.
>>>thats b/c they are alot more commonly used thanks to prohibition
Learn some economics and see why prohibition CAN'T work and can only increase profits for violent criminals and deprive the state of tax revenue. Examine how much money is costs us every year to jail our own citizens for something that harmed nobody. They're robbing our children and our citizens to dump money down a sinkhole that only grows bigger the more money that is put into it.
>>> your still saying drugs harmed nobody. death is harm. everyone around my mom suffered b/c of one thing "her addiction".
Drugs are bad for individuals, families, communities. Thats why they are illegal.
Look at how prohibition has denied people access to treatment by jailing them or stigmatizing them. Look at how anti-drug research is nearly non-existent because almost all drug-related research has been prohibited by the DEA.
>>>jail is a form of treatment, its rehabilitation for repeat offenders breaking laws that democracy has brought about. you're just on the losing side of democracy.
I'm amazed that people don't have a basic grasp of logic and truth. It's not hard to find at all.
It's sad that you don't realize that your mother probably wouldn't have died if there was no prohibition. There's about 5-7 reasons why that statement is true.
She might have sought help if it wasn't stigmatized and illegal. She might have sought help if the government wouldn't have taken her children away and sent her to prison for it.
>>>she went to multiple rehabs and we were never taken away from her
She might have been cured by something like the "cocaine vaccine" if the government hadn't restricted research in that area.
She might never have started if the gov had put the DEA/prison money into education and treatment. Or maybe if they didn't tell baldfaced lies about drugs that lead people to doubt the dangers of drugs.
>>> how has the government lead people to believe that drugs are not dangerous. making it illegal? and punishing offender? i think you watch to many movies
If the DEA/prison money was spent on education, tax cuts, social assistance, and the like she might have been too wealthy and educated to get involved in drugs.
>>> now your just reaching but they could use some of that money to educate you
I could go on but I'm tired of typing.
The real point here is that prohibition likely led to your mother's death, yet you've bought into the government's bullshit.
>>> dumbest thing you have ever said in your life
Prohibition is a dangerous experiment which has been conducted for only a minuscule fraction of the time that man has walked on this earth. People need to realize that this is a failed experiment and is not the norm for the vast majority of history.
As far as you dissing my suggestions... Well if someone is stalking you and trying to take away your freedom and put you in prison you have every right to defend yourself.
>>> yes but obviously the cop isnt watching this dude everyday for smoking a little weed. plus your suggestions could get the guy in real trouble
You have a lot to learn about cops and after you experience them lying, cheating, robbing, and threatening to kill you you'll probably gain a different perspective about the nature of people that become cops. Check out the shroomery news service. You'll see for yourself how many times they beat people to death, plant drugs on them, shoot unarmed people, cover up for each other, lie in court, etc..
>>>i think the shroomery news service might just be a little biased
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
#9962139 - 03/12/09 11:30 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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<<i think the shroomery news service might just be a little biased>>
Wrong you are about that one. We don't make or write the news here, we simply link real articles from real news publications about real busts, new laws going into effect, and yes, in many cases, injustices performed by corrupt law enforcement officials thanks to drug prohibition.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
#9963493 - 03/13/09 07:03 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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>>> how has the government lead people to believe that drugs are not dangerous. making it illegal? and punishing offender? i think you watch to many movies
They lie about the dangers of marijuana, and people know it, so they don't trust their information when it comes to other drugs. The real dangers of the drugs are mixed with the propaganda, so people can't tell them apart - especially younger kids.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: SuperD]
#9963719 - 03/13/09 08:40 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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SuperD said: <<i think the shroomery news service might just be a little biased>>
I agree, but thats wha you get.. when you join a drug forum. Veggie puts alot of his two cents in. Right in that inital post. I dont think he should do that. It makes it seem biased. If he reply his opinion... like we do.. I think it would come off better.
Your not going to go anywhere in life thats not opinionated, or biased. If there was a balance in society... it would work like nature, which is flawless. But instead society is as crooked as a politation. This is the whole good vs evil thing.
When it comes down to the government.. they lie to us about everything not just drugs. When you are taught something at a young age... you believe in it and store it in your memory bank. I really hate when the facts about drugs are fucked up. I dont want to have some telling me facts about drugs.. that are completely not facts.. and just bullshit. Lol ive had about 10 ppl tell me that mushrooms give you the side effects of LSD. I was like wow.. misinformed. Then they dont believe me when I try and correct them. Some ppl think you smoke mushrooms.. or snort them. . Come on thats retarded.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Shr00mZ]
#9964247 - 03/13/09 11:18 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Start by looking at the history of prohibition. See how it was founded on hysteria, lies, and racism. Study how ALL cultures have used drugs for religious and recreational purposes for thousands of years before this country was even founded.
>>> You are comparing civilized american culture to cultures thousands of years ago(lol). theres a reason the U.S. is the greatest country on the planet
You are really showing your ignorance of prohibition history here.
I'm not talking about thousands of years ago. Prohibition got serious only in 1971. That's just a tiny fraction of OUR countries history. And prohibition is NOT what made this country great. It's been a dismal failure no matter who's statistics you look at.
BTW if you think being the country with the highest level of incarceration in the developed world makes us great then I really pity you. You are a propaganda drone that has never questioned the so called reality that you've been spoon fed.
What are you doing on this site anyways? Most people here know what prohibition is all about and have looked at the numbers and followed the news. They already know the exact reasons, logic, and statistics that make your arguments completely wrong. You just end up looking really uneducated on the issue.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: fastfred]
#9964764 - 03/13/09 01:07 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey back on topic lol.
I haven't seen one cop near me or my house in days.

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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: fastfred]
#9964816 - 03/13/09 01:18 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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1. Automatic weapons aren't illegal, a family member has an uzi.
2. Your mom's issue doesn't show drugs aren't victimless. This is a term that refers to a victim as someone who's suffered by another's violation of their rights. Your mom has no rights against herself, there was no victim.
Whatever your mom did to fuck herself up is irrelevant. I should not have to be jailed because your mom was irresponsible or unlucky, and I should not have to pay to jail others.
It is your body- there is no philosohpical maxim compatible with even the most basic notions of the freedoms we widely recognize that can objectively defend the prohibition scheme we have in this country.
Your mom dieing seems like an emotional crutch you thrown out there. I have no qualms with saying that if your mom hurt herself that is her own problem. If your family didn't care to help her that was their choice. And if she didn't care to avail herself to that help than that was hers- and I guess she demonstrated her values, right? And if she was just unlucky then that is but one more scenario and none of these created a victim.
The sole exception may be if children were harmed, but this is an actual victim. Mothers abusing drugs of whatever legal status and causing harm to their children is worthless as a particular example as we are discussing victimless crimes. If you prefer your mother would have been labled a felon and jailed then fine.
We are talking about people who have not violated another's rights here. And it is profoundly immoral to take from and jail people who have not wronged.
And yes, cocaine shoudl be legal, and it allready is for some applicatons. I suppose the approval of a doctor makes it not a bad drug? Or do we just not care whether the restriction or penalty is logical or moral and we enforce it anyways?
Why on earth should cocaine not be legal?
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
#9964905 - 03/13/09 01:34 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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QuantumMeltdown said: Hard to spot drug abuse? Do you even know anyone who does any hard drugs and is addicted. You can tell by the way their mannerisms are and all sorts of ways youd have to be pretty naive not to be able to spot drug abuse.
What is a hard drug and what is addiction?
I'm willing to be the answers to those questions mean the answer to your question is a result of the definitions you use rather than anything useful about drugs and behavior.
Yeah, the people you can obviously tell are on drugs are... obviously on drugs. Indeed.
Have you ever know people who you didn't know were 'on drugs'? And you couldn't tell? Oh, no you couldn't, because a) the question's framing leads to the conclusion that you don't know of them, and b) demonstrates that you only know the asses.
Nobody I worked with ever knew I used asprin or wellbutrin at one time, or marijuana, or lsd, or that I've been prescribed opioids, or any of that. Whatever these "hard drugs" are, seriously what is an objective definition... I think its pretty much impossible to arrive at one, you have no idea how many people are using them nor what the effects are just from what you observe.
And either way, not directed at you particularly, the big unstated presumption in this thread, as in many legalization debates, is the silly notion that drug problems are somehow related to legal status. It seems the illegalization appologists like to just presume this as a premise and move on. Well I'll challenge it. How do you know the two are related or related in a way that favors you?\
Doesn't matter cuz its immoral to prohibit with jail and theft these victimless crimes, but I'm interested in the basis for this unspoken assumption. Or do you just like locking people up regarldess of the merits?
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: fastfred]
#9965145 - 03/13/09 02:15 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Start by looking at the history of prohibition. See how it was founded on hysteria, lies, and racism. Study how ALL cultures have used drugs for religious and recreational purposes for thousands of years before this country was even founded.
>>> You are comparing civilized american culture to cultures thousands of years ago(lol). theres a reason the U.S. is the greatest country on the planet
You are really showing your ignorance of prohibition history here.
I'm not talking about thousands of years ago. Prohibition got serious only in 1971. That's just a tiny fraction of OUR countries history. And prohibition is NOT what made this country great. It's been a dismal failure no matter who's statistics you look at.
BTW if you think being the country with the highest level of incarceration in the developed world makes us great then I really pity you. You are a propaganda drone that has never questioned the so called reality that you've been spoon fed.
What are you doing on this site anyways? Most people here know what prohibition is all about and have looked at the numbers and followed the news. They already know the exact reasons, logic, and statistics that make your arguments completely wrong. You just end up looking really uneducated on the issue.
-FF
If you dont like the laws, by all means leave. why are you here if its so bad. You are the one who looks uneducated. You still haven't shown me how legalizing drugs is going to keep people off drugs or were you going to just keep name calling. You know nothing about drugs or addiction. Like i said this country has a democracy and you are the minority in your thinking.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
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So do you think prohibition is keeping people off drugs?
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: johnm214]
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johnm214 said: 1. Automatic weapons aren't illegal, a family member has an uzi.
>>>>Machine gun ban (The Hughes Amendment) As debate for FOPA was in its final stages, Rep. William J. Hughes (D-N.J.) proposed an amendment to ban the civilian ownership or transfer of any fully-automatic weapon which was not registered by May 19, 1986. However, any such weapon manufactured and registered before the May 19 cutoff could still be legally owned and transferred by civilians.
2. Your mom's issue doesn't show drugs aren't victimless. This is a term that refers to a victim as someone who's suffered by another's violation of their rights. Your mom has no rights against herself, there was no victim.
>>>I was a victim of my moms death. I had inalienable rights as her child. "That all men are by nature equally free and independent, and have certain inherent rights, of which, when they enter into a state of society, they cannot, by any compact, deprive or divest their posterity; namely, the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring and possessing property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety"
"We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
Whatever your mom did to fuck herself up is irrelevant. I should not have to be jailed because your mom was irresponsible or unlucky, and I should not have to pay to jail others.
>>>>she may have been irresponsible but addiction is real and people are stupid, that is why we have laws. Im not saying dont have fun with drugs im just saying dont bitch when you get caught. that includes cop-hating.
It is your body- there is no philosohpical maxim compatible with even the most basic notions of the freedoms we widely recognize that can objectively defend the prohibition scheme we have in this country.
Your mom dieing seems like an emotional crutch you thrown out there. I have no qualms with saying that if your mom hurt herself that is her own problem. If your family didn't care to help her that was their choice. And if she didn't care to avail herself to that help than that was hers- and I guess she demonstrated her values, right? And if she was just unlucky then that is but one more scenario and none of these created a victim.
>>>Sometimes drugs are stonger than people. like i said we got her to rehab 3 times but she couldnt stop. btw i would beat ur ass if you said this to my face
The sole exception may be if children were harmed, but this is an actual victim. Mothers abusing drugs of whatever legal status and causing harm to their children is worthless as a particular example as we are discussing victimless crimes. If you prefer your mother would have been labled a felon and jailed then fine.
>>> everybody has family and usually they suffer the worst in these situations
We are talking about people who have not violated another's rights here. And it is profoundly immoral to take from and jail people who have not wronged.
And yes, cocaine shoudl be legal, and it allready is for some applicatons. I suppose the approval of a doctor makes it not a bad drug? Or do we just not care whether the restriction or penalty is logical or moral and we enforce it anyways?
Why on earth should cocaine not be legal?
>>>because it is highly addictive, highly dangerous, destroys lives. thats not just an opinion either. its a fact and you cant argue with it.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Green_T]
#9965349 - 03/13/09 02:47 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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green_titan said: So do you think prohibition is keeping people off drugs?
Its keeping me off drugs now that im not a dumb kid anymore. Ive done all sorts of drugs. i think they are fun as hell. but some people cant handle themselves. and remember im not saying marijuana shouldnt be legal. I think alcohol is much more harmful than weed.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
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If you dont like the laws, by all means leave. why are you here if its so bad. You are the one who looks uneducated. You still haven't shown me how legalizing drugs is going to keep people off drugs or were you going to just keep name calling. You know nothing about drugs or addiction. Like i said this country has a democracy and you are the minority in your thinking.
WOW! LOL!
Let's add civics, logic, and debate to your ignorant areas. Can't really blame you though you're on par with the majority of Americans.
I'll skip the majority of the civics lesson, but... There are always going to be corrupt politicians and immoral laws on the books. The same is true of anywhere you go. And I don't know why you'd expect me to leave my homeland because of a little over 30 years of immoral prohibition. While that may be well over your lifetime it is only a tiny fraction of this countries history. The whole point of modern democracies is that you don't have to become a refugee everytime you are persecuted. There is orderly change of power and anyone can work to change the laws they feel are unjust.
Further it is the obligation of enlightened people everywhere to resist oppression and injustice, not just run away from it.
Seems that they are replacing civics and ethics lessons with more and more WOD propaganda these days.
It's a real shame that it won't be long before people who think this WOD is the norm for society will actually be running the country.
> Like i said this country has a democracy and you are the minority in your thinking.
Too bad you don't really understand what a democracy is. Democracies provide legal recourse for injustice, orderly change of power, freedom to express minority political views, ability to run for office, ability to work to change unjust laws, and are not just a tyranny of the majority.
The WOD is unjust and goes against the principles of logic, morality, and freedom that this country was founded upon. It will not last. The WOD is a dangerous experiment and a dismal failure. That is fact.
For something that is a dismal failure, costs a ton of money, incarcerates hundreds of thousands of otherwise innocent people, accomplishes NONE of it's goals, actually produces more crime and violence by raising drug prices I don't understand why anyone is for it.
Now I can understand you wanting to get rid of drugs and/or drug problems. But this is like beating your brains out against a brick wall because you want to be on the other side. It just doesn't work! At the end you're broke, you've locked up a ton of your citizens, driven up drug prices, forced petty dealers into huge organized crime rings, and ruined many people's lives... And what do you have to show for it in the end? NOTHING There's still demand, still supply, still a drug problem. No data to date has suggested that we are making even a small dent in the drug trade.
If you don't give a shit about freedom and rights it's STILL not worth the money.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
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green_titan said: So do you think prohibition is keeping people off drugs?
Its keeping me off drugs now that im not a dumb kid anymore.
Isnt it you and your own decisions keeping yourself off drugs because you educated yourself, and thus not prohibition? And "since you aren't a kid anymore" doesnt that imply others would be the same if they could only access drugs after they turn 18/21 in a regulated market as opposed to 13 under prohibition?
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Green_T]
#9965822 - 03/13/09 04:26 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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"The WOD is unjust and goes against the principles of logic, morality, and freedom that this country was founded upon. It will not last. The WOD is a dangerous experiment and a dismal failure. That is fact."
Please explain how banning harmful substances is illogical and immoral!!!!! Please explain how legalizing crack and meth will help people get help for their problem!!!!!
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
#9965840 - 03/13/09 04:31 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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mycoolhamm said: "The WOD is unjust and goes against the principles of logic, morality, and freedom that this country was founded upon. It will not last. The WOD is a dangerous experiment and a dismal failure. That is fact."
Please explain how banning harmful substances is illogical and immoral!!!!! Please explain how legalizing crack and meth will help people get help for their problem!!!!!
That response probably wasn't for me, but read : http://www.strike-the-root.com/61/victor/victor1.html
The author points out why banning harmful substances is immoral, because what we do to ourselves is ultimately up to us. Does the government ban McDonalds because fatty food is harmful, and obesity kills a shit ton of people? no. Does the government ban alcohol because it kills more people than all illegal drugs combined? No. (they tried it and it backfired).
He also explains how meth addicts have a legal disincentive to not seek help, and the history of meth use in this country (hint: meth wasn't invented in 1997)
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Green_T]
#9966675 - 03/13/09 07:46 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Most people addicted to drugs fear seeking treatment because of legal repercussions, and that would likely change with legalization.
Most people addicted to heroin or cocaine are not motivated to seek treatment, but are motivated to continue using the drug.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Green_T]
#9966682 - 03/13/09 07:47 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Your statemetn to F_F seems to suggest you don't like this whole democracy thing. If you don't like the law, leave? How about we change the law? I love this country, that doesn't mean I have to love all its actions.
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Your mom dieing seems like an emotional crutch you thrown out there. I have no qualms with saying that if your mom hurt herself that is her own problem. If your family didn't care to help her that was their choice. And if she didn't care to avail herself to that help than that was hers- and I guess she demonstrated her values, right? And if she was just unlucky then that is but one more scenario and none of these created a victim.
>>>Sometimes drugs are stonger than people. like i said we got her to rehab 3 times but she couldnt stop. btw i would beat ur ass if you said this to my face
And like I said, it does seem to be an emotional crutch you use in this argument.
You make a refrence to your mom to support your argument. Its obvious she is dead and that is likely a sore spot, but you use it to support your argument. Then when people explain why the mom example isn't relevant and argue that her choices do not demonstrate her rights were infringed but rather that she either a) made choices willingly of herself over her family demonstrating who she cared more for, or b) was just unlucky you say you'd beat my ass if I said that to your face.
The whole point is she had her choice and made it, whatever the effects of the drug were it didn't remove her own responsiblity for her actions. Its a crutch in this argument becaue it seemed obvious you would not want to here these types of counterarguments against your mom's right's being infringed by drugs as it was her own choice. You affirm that in your emotional response.
Surely it was tragic, but if you don't want to discuss your mom's death then don't. Don't expect, however; to use your mom's death as a tool to attempt to show why her and I should be jailed and labeled felons and not have me respond. In other words, if its painful to talk about don't talk about it. But don't use it in an argument and expect others not to reply. That is the crutch I am talking about- you make proclamations and nobody can respond because of your emotions.
Perhaps we should not discuss this specific example further if it upsets you? But if you continue it is by your own will the subject is discussed.
PS The decleration of independance is not law so the citation is meaningles legally.
PPS I am aware of the ban on private ownership of newer automatics, but this doesn't demosntrate automatics are illegal. Like I said, a family member as a private citezin has a fully automatic uzi- which is completely legal for him to have or walk around town with.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
#9966725 - 03/13/09 07:57 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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mycoolhamm said: "The WOD is unjust and goes against the principles of logic, morality, and freedom that this country was founded upon. It will not last. The WOD is a dangerous experiment and a dismal failure. That is fact."
Please explain how banning harmful substances is illogical and immoral!!!!! Please explain how legalizing crack and meth will help people get help for their problem!!!!!
Again, cocaine and meth are allready legal depending on how that word is used. Both are available per doctor's order and meth at least per prescription.
While this isn't really relevant as the inverse is the problem, what good does criminalizing it do?, I think it is wroth noting the choice of words you use.
You say banning drugs isn't illogical. We are discussing the criminalization of them. What exactly are you saying you want done? Cuz it seems like you want people to be labled felons, unable to get jobs as a result, have their property seized, their kids taken from them, and their bodies placed in jail.
Is this what you are defending? How does this help anyone?
I would think it the burden of the person advocating jailing at great expense people who've harmed noone to demonstrate such is appropriate.
I'm pretty interested to hear, however; how you think marijuana should be legal and not meth or cocaine. How do you come to that conclusion? And are you saying we should remove coke and meth from the availble drugs for medical use? Or do you mean illegal as in only per doctor's orders?
What right does the state have to say a person will be jailed if they do not obtain teh consent of a doctor before ingesting a substance? Let's not discuss harm to children as I am asserting legalization for adult people that don't harm others (i.e. not parents who harm their children which is really the seperate offense even if drugs are involved).
If you want to lock up people that neglect or harm children then that's fine. I just don't see why I should have to pay for your desire to lock of drug users of drugs you don't like and why if I choose to use I should suffer the same due to yoru preferance.
I also agree with green titan that it seems you concede legality had nothing to do with your abstinance as you don't want to do drugs. Always the "other guy" and always "those other drugs" i.e. not pot or any of the things you like. Guess what? The "other guy" is allready doing those "other drugs" that you don't prefer.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: johnm214]
#9967588 - 03/13/09 10:52 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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john... I didnt want to read your long posts.. you just posted reasonally. Your friend or family member whatever. Owns a Uzi. This is what you stated. 1. If this were legal.. its not fully auto. Make it a 9 mm hangun.. which is fuckin gay. If it is full auto god have mercy on his ur friends life for it shall be a nice long prison sentence. No jail just prison. You can get whatever gun you want aslong as its not full auto. Theres when its dangerous. Giving you the possiblity.. to out arm the law authorities. Honestly owning a fully automatic weapon has nothing to do with our right to bare arms. You dont need a fully automatic weapon to hunt game. It has to do killing ppl. Ur stupid for even bringing this up. If you think killing ppl is the right mentallity to have... then you need to go get help.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
#9967597 - 03/13/09 10:54 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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MCH you completely left my documented quote out of your responses and therefor I will summarize what the quote explained in relation to your mother.
Your mother was a maladjusted individual who could not control her impulses as effectively as other individuals.
You side-stepped my quote so therefor I had to be blunt.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
#9967603 - 03/13/09 10:55 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Why are you on this forum underage?
Why are you on this forum in the first place thinking the way you do?
Why wont you take your idiotic, childlike, horrible, no sense garbage out of my thread like i said before?
And who are the bastards making crop circles?
You are trolling and you are most likley a puppet. God i hope you are a puppet, because no one can really be stupid as you. Yes i ment that as offensive as possible.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Kada]
#9968627 - 03/14/09 03:34 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Kada said: no one can really be stupid as you.
Welcome to 90% of "faith based" America.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: badphish]
#9968733 - 03/14/09 04:54 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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thank god
without faith we'd all be islamic or buddhist
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
#9968737 - 03/14/09 04:59 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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>>>because it is highly addictive, highly dangerous, destroys lives. thats not just an opinion either. its a fact and you cant argue with it.
only idiots die from abusing drugs or people with suicidal tendencies screaming for attention
legalization and moderation saves lives and stops people like you having a worthless voice for us to vomit over
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
#9971403 - 03/14/09 04:27 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Start by looking at the history of prohibition. See how it was founded on hysteria, lies, and racism. Study how ALL cultures have used drugs for religious and recreational purposes for thousands of years before this country was even founded.
>>> You are comparing civilized american culture to cultures thousands of years ago(lol). theres a reason the U.S. is the greatest country on the planet
You are really showing your ignorance of prohibition history here.
I'm not talking about thousands of years ago. Prohibition got serious only in 1971. That's just a tiny fraction of OUR countries history. And prohibition is NOT what made this country great. It's been a dismal failure no matter who's statistics you look at.
BTW if you think being the country with the highest level of incarceration in the developed world makes us great then I really pity you. You are a propaganda drone that has never questioned the so called reality that you've been spoon fed.
What are you doing on this site anyways? Most people here know what prohibition is all about and have looked at the numbers and followed the news. They already know the exact reasons, logic, and statistics that make your arguments completely wrong. You just end up looking really uneducated on the issue.
-FF
If you dont like the laws, by all means leave. why are you here if its so bad. You are the one who looks uneducated. You still haven't shown me how legalizing drugs is going to keep people off drugs or were you going to just keep name calling. You know nothing about drugs or addiction. Like i said this country has a democracy and you are the minority in your thinking.
wrong on a very basic level...the united states is a REPUBLIC, not a democracy...say the pledge, 10 times in your head, and listen to what you are actually saying, instead of just repeating a string of words.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
#9971457 - 03/14/09 04:35 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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johnm214 said: 1. Automatic weapons aren't illegal, a family member has an uzi.
>>>>Machine gun ban (The Hughes Amendment) As debate for FOPA was in its final stages, Rep. William J. Hughes (D-N.J.) proposed an amendment to ban the civilian ownership or transfer of any fully-automatic weapon which was not registered by May 19, 1986. However, any such weapon manufactured and registered before the May 19 cutoff could still be legally owned and transferred by civilians.
2. Your mom's issue doesn't show drugs aren't victimless. This is a term that refers to a victim as someone who's suffered by another's violation of their rights. Your mom has no rights against herself, there was no victim.
>>>I was a victim of my moms death. I had inalienable rights as her child. "That all men are by nature equally free and independent, and have certain inherent rights, of which, when they enter into a state of society, they cannot, by any compact, deprive or divest their posterity; namely, the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring and possessing property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety"
"We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
Whatever your mom did to fuck herself up is irrelevant. I should not have to be jailed because your mom was irresponsible or unlucky, and I should not have to pay to jail others.
>>>>she may have been irresponsible but addiction is real and people are stupid, that is why we have laws. Im not saying dont have fun with drugs im just saying dont bitch when you get caught. that includes cop-hating.
It is your body- there is no philosohpical maxim compatible with even the most basic notions of the freedoms we widely recognize that can objectively defend the prohibition scheme we have in this country.
Your mom dieing seems like an emotional crutch you thrown out there. I have no qualms with saying that if your mom hurt herself that is her own problem. If your family didn't care to help her that was their choice. And if she didn't care to avail herself to that help than that was hers- and I guess she demonstrated her values, right? And if she was just unlucky then that is but one more scenario and none of these created a victim.
>>>Sometimes drugs are stonger than people. like i said we got her to rehab 3 times but she couldnt stop. btw i would beat ur ass if you said this to my face
The sole exception may be if children were harmed, but this is an actual victim. Mothers abusing drugs of whatever legal status and causing harm to their children is worthless as a particular example as we are discussing victimless crimes. If you prefer your mother would have been labled a felon and jailed then fine.
>>> everybody has family and usually they suffer the worst in these situations
We are talking about people who have not violated another's rights here. And it is profoundly immoral to take from and jail people who have not wronged.
And yes, cocaine shoudl be legal, and it allready is for some applicatons. I suppose the approval of a doctor makes it not a bad drug? Or do we just not care whether the restriction or penalty is logical or moral and we enforce it anyways?
Why on earth should cocaine not be legal?
>>>because it is highly addictive, highly dangerous, destroys lives. thats not just an opinion either. its a fact and you cant argue with it.
I can very well argue with your 'fact' that cocaine destroys lives. People destroy their lives, not cocaine.
People destroy their own lives using coke. Cocaine does not come to someones front door, cut itself into lines, then force itself up a users nose. The user DECIDES to use it, not only then, they DECIDE to abuse it, and finally make the CHOICE to destroy their lives with it. The drug itself does none of these things, it is inanimate and does absolutely nothing.
There are many people out there that destroy their lives with food, by being gluttonous to the point of obesity and giving themselves a heart attack at 40, should we outlaw food for our own protection too?
If we want to truly call ourselves a 'free' country, in terms that we can do what we want as long as we do not deprive others of their life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, then prohibition should be repealed.
Here is another fact for you:
Cocaine kills less people every year than does cars, tobacco, alcohol, or even water...good thing it is illegal since it is SO dangerous. Also, to preempt your argument that its because of prohibition, i bet if you look at the ratio of users of all of these to those its killed, then it probably still holds its ground, though i doubt any study has been held on that.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: johnm214]
#9971494 - 03/14/09 04:40 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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mycoolhamm said: "The WOD is unjust and goes against the principles of logic, morality, and freedom that this country was founded upon. It will not last. The WOD is a dangerous experiment and a dismal failure. That is fact."
Please explain how banning harmful substances is illogical and immoral!!!!! Please explain how legalizing crack and meth will help people get help for their problem!!!!!
Again, cocaine and meth are allready legal depending on how that word is used. Both are available per doctor's order and meth at least per prescription.
cocaine is available by prescription as well. They have little bottles of it at the pharmacy used for eye drops, its a very good anesthetic for eye pain.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: supra]
#9971517 - 03/14/09 04:44 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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> wrong on a very basic level...
LOL, it probably sucks to nitpick semantics and then be wrong about it.
By popular usage the word "democracy" means a form of government in which the government derives its power from the people and is accountable to them for the use of that power.
Even in technical terms the United States IS a democracy. We have ballot initiatives and referendums, which means that voters can and do directly decide policy issues.
Next time you might want to limit your semantics to square vs rectangle arguments.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Shr00mZ]
#9972089 - 03/14/09 06:18 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Shr00mZ said: john... I didnt want to read your long posts.. you just posted reasonally. Your friend or family member whatever. Owns a Uzi. This is what you stated. 1. If this were legal.. its not fully auto. Make it a 9 mm hangun.. which is fuckin gay. If it is full auto god have mercy on his ur friends life for it shall be a nice long prison sentence. No jail just prison. You can get whatever gun you want aslong as its not full auto. Theres when its dangerous. Giving you the possiblity.. to out arm the law authorities. Honestly owning a fully automatic weapon has nothing to do with our right to bare arms. You dont need a fully automatic weapon to hunt game. It has to do killing ppl. Ur stupid for even bringing this up. If you think killing ppl is the right mentallity to have... then you need to go get help.
You don't think a gun is an arm?
And I've seen both the tax stamp and the permit from the ATF, so I'm quite sure its legal.
And while I've never seen it fired, the ATF called it an automatic weapon and issued the permit for one.
I suppose you could go tell them they made a mistake.
Or maybe you could realize that the fact that a gun is automatic doesn't change a whole lot.
But if you are so sure of yourself you can post here the law that prevents him from owning the uzi. Does this prevent the cops too or just him?
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Kada]
#9972126 - 03/14/09 06:23 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Kada said: I agree that was extreme. But, I do believe people should be responsible for the chaos and injustice they cause by "just doing their jobs". They are still morally responsible for the things they do, even if they were ordered to do such things. I asked a cop once if he liked being a cop. He told me, "Hell yea." I asked him why, and he pointed at his badge and said, "This lets me do all sorts of fucked up shit." Nice guy right?
I say cops deserve whatever they get. Because they break real laws that we have to follow that keep people safe. Sure there can be real super cops out there, but even they speed 30 miles over the speed limit off duty down the street my kids cross the road at just to get to the super market quickly.
I wouldn't get a cop in trouble unless he makes trouble for me in a unappropriated way. I still don't say they are just doing their jobs tho. They are doing their jobs, and in doing that they are being big assholes thet do deserve what they get. Only a giant douch would choose to be a cop with the laws we have today. It's them against the rest of us, and thats what they are trained to think.
   
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: fastfred]
#9972169 - 03/14/09 06:29 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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fastfred said: I'd try to get to the bottom of it... Go out and ask to see their badges, ask what their business is, tell them that someone ran over something in your driveway and you've seen them turning around in it and ask if they know anything about it, tell them some flowers were run over one day and you're looking to file a small claims against whoever did it, tell them that you've heard of people dressed as police molesting young boys and so you need to see their badges and call them in to make sure they're legit.
Believe me after asking them if they're real cops and if they're trying to molest young boys a few times they'll loose interest fast. Tell them that it looked like they were masturbating while small children walked by and you just wanted to check it out.
Remember you can always report "it looked like" or "I thought I saw" or "I heard instances of..." or "it sounded like..." as much as you want. If you call to report make sure you tell them that you want a note of the incident placed in these officer's personnel files "just to be safe".
You can bet that when a "looked like they were masturbating as children walked by" report shows up in their file they will back off real quick.
Otherwise have some fun with them. Act suspicious, pretend like you're trying to lose them (legally of course). Make them think they are on to something. Then maybe set up a camera in your house as somebody suggested and catch them breaking and entering or trespassing in your garage. There was a case of this where the "never get busted again" guy grew tomatoes under big lights inside and set up a camera to catch cops coming into his place. They had illegally used thermal imaging to find him. He had a nice note notifying them they were on a new show about crooked cops. Boy did they have egg on their faces after that. I think it's posted on youtube.
You could also play dirty. Find a posted private drive to lead them down with a big hidden sinkhole or tire popping devices / spike strip on it. Then videotape them trying to get out, videotape all the damage they cause to the driveway, then sue them for it.
Also remember that it doesn't take much to make the paper in a small town, and people love reading about cop adventures. If you can catch them doing anything at all wrong then they'll be shamed in the paper at least.
Another dirty trick... Take pictures of them and post up warning flyers around school, etc.. Something to the effect of Warning: this man has been seen loitering in vehicles watching schoolchildren... Suspected pedophile, watch for this man and warn your children.
If you did that they would either back off or they'd be so angry that they'd break some major rules trying to get back at you, then you can really get them. You can always say "Sorry, I didn't know you were a cop! I could have sworn you were a pedophile stalking children. It's really hard to tell the difference sometimes."
Good luck, and let us know what happens.
-FF
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: RedDevil420]
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@ the OP, what you should actually do is go speak with a good lawyer. You could have the police on criminal charges of stalking and harassment. Also, get video of it first, but hide the cameras carefully, inside if you can so they can't be seen. The more video of them you have the better, and also set one up inside in case they do break in or something stupid like that. THey might even try to dteal the tapes if they're stupid enough.. they are pigs so you never know.
EDIT: basically expose the corruption, if everyone did maybe they would fuck off. Assholes shouldn't be police.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Kada]
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I would totally go and ask what's up, but that's just me.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Madtowntripper]
#9972538 - 03/14/09 07:26 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Madtowntripper said: I would totally go and ask what's up, but that's just me.
That's no fun, you cant sue them that way 
You can say that you werent sleeping the entire time it went on. Don't lie about when it started, sue for damages. Make up a bunch of psycho BS, you probably are a bit rattled, I would be.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: fastfred]
#9973522 - 03/14/09 10:28 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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fastfred said: > wrong on a very basic level...
LOL, it probably sucks to nitpick semantics and then be wrong about it.
By popular usage the word "democracy" means a form of government in which the government derives its power from the people and is accountable to them for the use of that power.
Even in technical terms the United States IS a democracy. We have ballot initiatives and referendums, which means that voters can and do directly decide policy issues.
Next time you might want to limit your semantics to square vs rectangle arguments.
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Accurately defined, a democracy is a form of government in which the people decide policy matters directly--through town hall meetings or by voting on ballot initiatives and referendums. A republic, on the other hand, is a system in which the people choose representatives who, in turn, make policy decisions on their behalf.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: supra]
#9973676 - 03/14/09 10:57 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Im not going to get too heated into this right now, but FF and John thank you for your input.
Anyway... I will keep my eye here.
This kid has it twisted.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: LateForTheFuture]
#9974510 - 03/15/09 01:41 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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God damn you two, the United States is a Democratic Republic. Shit...
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Dementous]
#9975537 - 03/15/09 10:19 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Fuck republics, democracy is pretty much the best way to go. Less corruption, especially if it is done correctly. Nothing should be hidden from the average person unless it involves national security or some shit like that.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Dementous]
#9975595 - 03/15/09 10:36 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dementous said: God damn you two, the United States is a Democratic Republic. Shit...
and i guess this is why things that are unpopular with the people get voted YAY anyways? Like the first bailout, about 68% of the american people OPPOSED it, yet it went through...what about the patriot act? Another instance of the people being opposed yet it still gets pushed through.
Cut and slice it how you like, but if we were a democracy, then this would not be the case. We try to make a representative democracy (democratic republic), but fact is those that are supposed to represent the people do not...leaving us at a republic, otherwise public opinion would be pretty damn close to how the ones that represent them vote.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: supra]
#9976023 - 03/15/09 12:18 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Bush was in power dude, he's republican. He believes that he should make decisions that he thinks are best for the country. Democrats believe more towards that the people should have the choice.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: RedDevil420]
#9976264 - 03/15/09 01:22 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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> Democrats believe more towards that the people should have the choice.
Not really. Neither party likes to give people choice. If they did, drugs would be legal.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: RedDevil420]
#9976616 - 03/15/09 02:41 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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RedDevil420 said: Fuck republics, democracy is pretty much the best way to go. Less corruption, especially if it is done correctly. Nothing should be hidden from the average person unless it involves national security or some shit like that.
If the US was a true democracy, it would be so inefficient it wouldn't even be funny. Can you imagine if everybody could vote on every single bill that was passed? A lot of people don't understand politics or repercussions of certain bills, and that would be very complicated too.
Democracies work only to a certain level, after which you have to have a republic which is very transparent. And you have to vote in whoever you think represents your issues the most. With the advent of the internet, the government can become even more transparent.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Green_T]
#9976697 - 03/15/09 02:56 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hopefully we keep it up, it seems that governments are slowly being held accountable for more of their actions.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: RedDevil420]
#9985917 - 03/16/09 10:49 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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RedDevil420 said: Hopefully we keep it up, it seems that governments are slowly being held accountable for more of their actions.
I agree, this has to do with the trillions of dollars we are in debt. We let the government handle it without intervention. Now everyone including the government is rethinking what we did wrong. We voted for change. We're getting it. You can see this everyday, when you see someone randomly smile at you.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
#9986354 - 03/17/09 12:02 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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They sound like amateurs if you were under serious investigation you'd never know they were spying on you, you'd never see them. They want you to know you are being watched probably to scare you because frankly, if you were seriously being watched you'd never know it.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: supra]
#9987651 - 03/17/09 09:56 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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fastfred said: > wrong on a very basic level...
LOL, it probably sucks to nitpick semantics and then be wrong about it.
By popular usage the word "democracy" means a form of government in which the government derives its power from the people and is accountable to them for the use of that power.
Even in technical terms the United States IS a democracy. We have ballot initiatives and referendums, which means that voters can and do directly decide policy issues.
Next time you might want to limit your semantics to square vs rectangle arguments.
-FF
quoted from elsewhere:
Accurately defined, a democracy is a form of government in which the people decide policy matters directly--through town hall meetings or by voting on ballot initiatives and referendums. A republic, on the other hand, is a system in which the people choose representatives who, in turn, make policy decisions on their behalf.

Again, you're arguing against the common usage of the term 'democracy' and you're ignoring the fact that we DO have ballot initiatives and referendums. That makes us a democracy in the technical sense. People in this country CAN "decide policy matters directly".
So stick to square vs rectangle arguments. A square is also a rectangle BTW. Your points are understood, but getting sidetracked on a loosing semantics argument is not the best way to present them.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: fastfred]
#9987678 - 03/17/09 10:05 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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According to the CIA factbook, the United States is a "constitution-based federal republic". Definitions given:
Constitutional - a government by or operating under an authoritative document (constitution) that sets forth the system of fundamental laws and principles that determines the nature, functions, and limits of that government.
Constitutional democracy - a form of government in which the sovereign power of the people is spelled out in a governing constitution.
Democracy - a form of government in which the supreme power is retained by the people, but which is usually exercised indirectly through a system of representation and delegated authority periodically renewed.
Democratic republic - a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote for officers and representatives responsible to them.
Federal republic - a state in which the powers of the central government are restricted and in which the component parts (states, colonies, or provinces) retain a degree of self-government; ultimate sovereign power rests with the voters who chose their governmental representatives.
Republic - a representative democracy in which the people's elected deputies (representatives), not the people themselves, vote on legislation.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Seuss]
#9987691 - 03/17/09 10:08 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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By the definitions given, that "constitution-based federalist republic" would also be a democracy though, no?
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Madtowntripper]
#9987792 - 03/17/09 10:32 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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> By the definitions given, that "constitution-based federalist republic" would also be a democracy though, no?
Kinda like a circle and an ellipse are the same in some cases. I thought the various definitions were interesting. As you point out, a lot of overlap.
One big difference between the two is that there are no "rules" in a democracy beyond what the people vote upon. The constitution part places rules upon what the people can vote upon.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Seuss]
#9987917 - 03/17/09 11:08 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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> One big difference between the two is that there are no "rules" in a democracy beyond what the people vote upon.
That would be a "pure democracy". As such doesn't exist it's not reasonable to just call it a "democracy" as that term has a different meaning in common usage and can be applied to any system of government where people vote on policy matters.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: fastfred]
#9987984 - 03/17/09 11:21 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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> That would be a "pure democracy". As such doesn't exist it's not reasonable to just call it a "democracy"
Tell the CIA, not me... I'm just quoting what they wrote.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Seuss]
#9987988 - 03/17/09 11:23 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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If I needed a back-alley conduit to the CIA, why do I get the feeling you would be the Shroomerite to start with...
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Seuss]
#9988001 - 03/17/09 11:25 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Democracy - a form of government in which the supreme power is retained by the people, but which is usually exercised indirectly through a system of representation and delegated authority periodically renewed.
That's really vague and doesn't justify your statement of "One big difference between the two is that there are no "rules" in a democracy beyond what the people vote upon."
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: fastfred]
#9988821 - 03/17/09 01:59 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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A look at some governments..
Sri Lanka: Democratic Socialist Republic America: Federal constitutional republic China: Single party communist state France: Unitary semi-presidential republic Germany: Federal Parliamentary republic Sweden: Parliamentary democracy Malaysia: Federal constitutional elective monarchy and Parliamentary democracy North Korea: Juche socialist Republic, Single-party communist state Brunei: Islamic Absolute Monarchy
These terms can be mixed around, and are not mutually exclusive, non?
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Quetzalcohuatl]
#9989914 - 03/17/09 04:32 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quetzalcohuatl said: They sound like amateurs if you were under serious investigation you'd never know they were spying on you, you'd never see them. They want you to know you are being watched probably to scare you because frankly, if you were seriously being watched you'd never know it.
great attempt at trying to make cops sound smart 
it takes 20 of em working rround the clock to catch some of us not to bright the law enforcers,thats why theyre brutal lying cunts that frame people.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: filthee]
#9992536 - 03/17/09 11:55 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think the reason i noticed them is because i was trained to notice everything around me. I was in the marine corps, and we did alot of training on urban warfare. You learn to notice what is going around you at all times, and i still keep in that habbit. So i don't think they really thought i would see all of this going on. It's funny that not 1 of my neighboors noticed this until i pointed it out, and they would get excited when they would call me and let me know they saw suspicious people in suspicious cars on the street. I got a phone call a couple days ago from the chick next door because she saw a cop coast past really slow, then suposidly speed up when they saw her on the porch looking at them.
My neighboors are really good people and they all do something against the law, so it is in their intrest to watch out for themselves as well. Im friendly with all of my neighboors, and some of us have hung out and partied at one time or another. Im guessing the cops have noticed everyone noticing them, so they backed off for awhile. I still think one of us on our street is being watched. It could be me, or it could be someone on my street i know. Who knows, they could have seen me go into one of my neighboors houses that they were watching, so they had reason to wonder what i was doing there so they followed me when i left. The funny thing is, there is only one person that sells a bit of weed here and there that lives on my street. He parties all the time and has people over all day and night, yet the cops don't seem a give a shit about him.
Well, at least they are gone for now. I really do't feel safer wth cops parked on my street lol. They are almost a threat instead.
*I did see them outside when i made this thread looking though the windows of a guys house 3 doors down from me at 3 am. They looked in his yard, then looked through his mailbox. I told him this and he was pissed off to no end. It's illegal to touch someones mailbox, and he hates cops. When i went over to tell him the next day there were cops parked across the street. They saw me go into his house and i stayed there for awhile. When left i waved to them.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Kada]
#9994105 - 03/18/09 10:11 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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is it at all possible they can get or have gotten into your house while you were out id remove the bit about your neighbors
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Kada]
#9994122 - 03/18/09 10:15 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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> I did see them outside when i made this thread looking though the windows of a guys house 3 doors down from me at 3 am.
That is illegal in almost every area it's trespassing and against most "peeping Tom" laws.
Are you just going to let these cops run wild breaking the laws and spying on people?
You really need to do something! As I mentioned take pictures of them and put up flyers!
Something along the lines of "Have you seen these men? They are suspected of trespassing, being peeping Toms, harassment, wasting taxpayer money, laziness, breaking and entering, etc.. Please report any suspicious activity to XXX-XXX-XX XX or XXX@email.com".
And that's just what they probably did. You can always throw something in there like pedophilia, voyeurism, or public masturbation.
Honestly, if nobody stands up and calls them out or at least publicly shames them for this illegal activity then they will continue doing it. It's for their own safety also. If I saw someone peeping in my window at 3 am I'd probably blow them away with a shotgun. That's just common sense not to do that. I'd feel bad about it, but I'd probably get away with it. "Some armed stranger was trying to break into my house at 3 am and I was in fear for my life!" With no search warrant, being armed, trespassing, and being suspicious they wouldn't have much of a case, especially when I claim I thought they were breaking in and feared for my life.
At the very least I'd have them at gunpoint down on the ground waiting for the police to show up. That'd be pretty embarrasing for a cop and with the report that followed they'd probably be charged with something and likely lose their job.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: fastfred]
#9994723 - 03/18/09 12:22 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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People get prosecuted all the time for killing cops, on accident, that illegally enter suspects' houses. If you read the Drug War Victims List it shows a few people.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Kada]
#9994887 - 03/18/09 12:57 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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i wonder if they have broken into people's places yet and placed bugs.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Liquidkick]
#9994913 - 03/18/09 01:02 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think the FBI has taken over my local taco bell. I ate there and got a stomach bug.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: DayzeoftheNu]
#9995333 - 03/18/09 02:07 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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DayzeoftheNu said: I think the FBI has taken over my local taco bell. I ate there and got a stomach bug. 
that's not even a good joke...
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: RedDevil420]
#10009477 - 03/20/09 06:03 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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RedDevil420 said:
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DayzeoftheNu said: I think the FBI has taken over my local taco bell. I ate there and got a stomach bug. 
that's not even a good joke...
It's funny, cos it's not funny
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: tosatori]
#10010271 - 03/20/09 08:33 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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@ the OP. They may be watching someone who you associate with, and are trying to link people to them before making a bust. Be careful.
I just thought of this now... But it makes a LOT of sense.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Shr00mZ]
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Shr00mZ said: john... I didnt want to read your long posts.. you just posted reasonally. Your friend or family member whatever. Owns a Uzi. This is what you stated. 1. If this were legal.. its not fully auto. Make it a 9 mm hangun.. which is fuckin gay. If it is full auto god have mercy on his ur friends life for it shall be a nice long prison sentence. No jail just prison. You can get whatever gun you want aslong as its not full auto. Theres when its dangerous. Giving you the possiblity.. to out arm the law authorities. Honestly owning a fully automatic weapon has nothing to do with our right to bare arms. You dont need a fully automatic weapon to hunt game. It has to do killing ppl. Ur stupid for even bringing this up. If you think killing ppl is the right mentallity to have... then you need to go get help.
So after calling me stupid, wrong, and accusing me of having 'killing people mentality' you've yet to show that having the uzi is illegal.
Should I just presume you made that stuff up and don't care to demonstrate it?
In the future try to stick to what you know rather than what you think of the law, and don't tell people they are killers or whatever because their family member has a gun.
I'm curious what you mention hunting game for though. What does this have to do with anything? Seems a distasteful buisness to me, and yeah, nobody's taking the uzi hunting.
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You can get whatever gun you want aslong as its not full auto. Theres when its dangerous. Giving you the possiblity.. to out arm the law authorities.
huh? Who are the authorities and why must we not out arm them? And how does having an uzi accomplish that?
Next time you want to tell people what is or isn't the law in this forum cite your authorities and refrian from saying posters have a "killing people mentality", whatever the hell that is, because they mention a firearm their family has.
I guess as long as we don't "out arm" the authorities though we'll all sleep safe though, right? Just get back to me on who the authorities are and how an uzi "out arms" them.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: fastfred]
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fastfred said: > I did see them outside when i made this thread looking though the windows of a guys house 3 doors down from me at 3 am.
That is illegal in almost every area it's trespassing and against most "peeping Tom" laws.
Are you just going to let these cops run wild breaking the laws and spying on people?
You really need to do something! As I mentioned take pictures of them and put up flyers!
Something along the lines of "Have you seen these men? They are suspected of trespassing, being peeping Toms, harassment, wasting taxpayer money, laziness, breaking and entering, etc.. Please report any suspicious activity to XXX-XXX-XX XX or XXX@email.com".
And that's just what they probably did. You can always throw something in there like pedophilia, voyeurism, or public masturbation.
Honestly, if nobody stands up and calls them out or at least publicly shames them for this illegal activity then they will continue doing it. It's for their own safety also. If I saw someone peeping in my window at 3 am I'd probably blow them away with a shotgun. That's just common sense not to do that. I'd feel bad about it, but I'd probably get away with it. "Some armed stranger was trying to break into my house at 3 am and I was in fear for my life!" With no search warrant, being armed, trespassing, and being suspicious they wouldn't have much of a case, especially when I claim I thought they were breaking in and feared for my life.
At the very least I'd have them at gunpoint down on the ground waiting for the police to show up. That'd be pretty embarrasing for a cop and with the report that followed they'd probably be charged with something and likely lose their job.
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you would call the police? wow i thought you hated pigs. you sound like a pretty educated guy until you start talking like a jackass. No cops were looking in this guys window or rummaging around in his garage. he is prob. mistaken so when you start talking about ruining cops lives you just sound like a punk kid. but thats just my opinion.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: RedDevil420]
#10011986 - 03/21/09 02:49 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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RedDevil420 said: @ the OP. They may be watching someone who you associate with, and are trying to link people to them before making a bust. Be careful.
I just thought of this now... But it makes a LOT of sense.
Very true.
Altho i just found out a guy i used to get herb from all the sudden dissapeared right before this all happened. He may or may not have recived more than a few mushrooms from Someone Who I Met on more than one occasion. If i find out that bastard got busted and named me, im going to beat him with is own shoe. I don't grow anymore so im safe, but even if he knew that and named me to get out of some shit he dug himself in i may snap. This is purly speculation of course, but he "went out of town" pretty quick and sudden.
Either way i think the coppers lost intrest in me. I have yet to find one parked near my street or even following me latley. It stopped pretty fast after i posted this. They cops have been busy tho arresting drunks and looking for a loose panther in town tho. Who the fuck keeps a panther as a pet?
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Kada]
#10012823 - 03/21/09 10:03 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Panthers are awesome. Who is going to dare breaking into your house when you have a panther? I'd take it for walks downtown all the time
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: RedDevil420]
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Id keep a panther and release it into town if i felt the cops were after me, to keep them busy 
Either way, that guy who "disappeared" probably pointed the finger at you. I'd lay low for a long time.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
#10012963 - 03/21/09 10:36 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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They're monitoring your internet usage and phone calls as well.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: monkeywrench]
#10013309 - 03/21/09 11:41 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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monkeywrench said: They're monitoring your internet usage and phone calls as well.
Probably, but ISP privacy laws usually protect you on the internet a bit. Wireless is really easy to watch, and wireless encryption is supposed to be easy to crack. MSN messenger sends as plain text through the internet.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: RedDevil420]
#10013411 - 03/21/09 12:02 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Probably, but ISP privacy laws usually protect you on the internet a bit.
LOL! "ISP privacy laws"? The only laws in this respect that I'm aware of are the ones that specifically say that ISPs have to provide information on their customers to the government.
There are no laws in your favor on this issue, only ones against you.
-FF
P.S. What happened to that dillhole mycoolhamm? Oh, that's right I have him on ignore.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: fastfred]
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P.S. What happened to that dillhole mycoolhamm? Oh, that's right I have him on ignore.
lol obviously not
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
#10016663 - 03/21/09 09:03 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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mycoolhamm is a puppet and a troll.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Kada]
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He has you on ignore, so you can still see his posts, but he can't see any of yours...
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Green_T]
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Any updates Kada? I was extremely interested in your story.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Viciousend]
#10064615 - 03/29/09 07:21 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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The pigs up and disappeared. They were there like bloodhounds every day, then they were just gone all of the sudden. I have not had one problem for about a month. Really weird.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Kada]
#10064912 - 03/29/09 09:07 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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They realized their bullshit tip wasnt a good tip at all. Someone prolly told them that your a fucking cocaine kingpin. Dude snitches dont get shit for snitching. Same charge same time. The best part is... try to catch me ridin dirty.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Shr00mZ]
#10065240 - 03/29/09 10:25 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well in case they come back, I think posting some of these stickers around your neighborhood is in order:
http://www.crimethinc.com/tools/downloads/stickers.html
2nd down on the right.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: libertaire]
#10089654 - 04/01/09 07:38 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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i didnt read the whole thread but what happened to u is really sketchy. i would be pissed if anyone came in my house and was rumaging thru my stuff. i would report them. glad to hear theyre gone but i wondered if ur site usage had anything to do with it. its gettin my paranoid about even coming here at all. anyone surf strictly anonymously? proxy?
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Windmiller]
#10113248 - 04/05/09 09:38 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Get rid of everything, maybe talk to a lawyer. Since it is a situation where you live in a small town, obviously they have nothing better to do & it would be there glory to raid your house & get some press.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: A3eyedfish]
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don't people read?
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Kada]
#10161240 - 04/13/09 10:20 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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I would have to agree with some of the responses ive read so far. More than likely a neighbor has reported your unusual activities. (I live in a small town as well very small hick town) and I know how people are they can never mind there own business.
If you really don't do anything Illegal maybe indulge in a smoke from time to time then don't worry. I would keep nothing around, buy nothing for a while.
You could just let them waste there time more, you could mess with them a little go on some random drives and just go in circles ect. Pull up next to these parked cars if you can and offer them some coffee lol.
Perhaps you could call them up and ask wtf it is they think your doing.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: DontPlay]
#10162677 - 04/14/09 06:49 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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You can call 911 the next time you see them and tell them there's a very suspicious car in front of your house, ask if there is a patrol car on duty in your area, get their plates and find out for sure if it's them. I heard of someone who was being harassed by the police, and one time when he was getting pulled over by what he believed to be a sheriff who has no right to pull someone over. He did that and they couldn't find anyone on duty, and eventually he turned his lights off and sped by.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: DayzeoftheNu]
#10163394 - 04/14/09 11:00 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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DayzeoftheNu said: Damn man. Fuck them cops. I would start investigating them. Write down their license plate numbers, take pictures of their cars. Whatever it takes. Tell them you are going to press charges if they dont stop parking in your driveway or stalking you. Because that is just what it is. You should definitely compile some evidence on these pig-dog fucks. Make it your new hobby. Police the Police. And the fake camera thing isn't a bad idea. You can actually be like "oh, you dont have to have permission to walk through my yard? well this camera will tell them otherwise and its not just my word against yours. That would be funny. And then straight up ask them what the deal is. 
he's right, do investigate them, make a journal, record the times, which cars, the plates, if you can the name of the officer or officers. Make sure it's very detailed. Do it for a span of 2 weeks minimum. After that go up to them and ask them what are they doing. If whatever bullshit answer they give you they still persist doing it make sure you put that in your journal for another week after you have spoken to them. This will be the evidence u need to put a restraining order on them. Pictures help alot too.
Also as for the cameras install real ones not fake ones. Not only put them to record outside but also have some recording inside your home. Especially where ever you think they might have tried snooping in. If you catch them in the act of actually trespassing inside your home this is suffice to bring up formal charges on them.
Also make sure that you have a dummy spot where you keep a dummy tape of the surveillance, in case they do make a move inside and try to take it they will just take the dummy tape. The real feed to the actual tape should be well hidden.
For the restraining order you really don't need a lawyer, but if you do bring up formal charges for trespassing please do contact a lawyer first before you do it. A lawyer will make sure you do it right and it sticks.
Now here's the thing, any cop that has any intention to ever be promoted, if for any reason they have had restraining orders or charges filed on them. It will hurt them big time permanently on any kind of promotion in the future. Whether it sticks or not it will always show up on their file when promotion time comes, and a cop with a clean sheet will always look better than a cop with any kind of past charge or complaint on them. Whether it was justified or not it still makes them look bad in the future for a promotion. Stick it to them where it hurts.
And yes it could have been someone that told of past hobbies, snitches are always making cops look smart. And another thing if you are successful with obtaining a restraining order on more than one cop. If any of them do violate a restraining order, I say contact a lawyer immediately. A violation of a restraining order by multiple officers are enough to represent the whole police department as an entity or which the harassment comes from. This will allow you you to file suit against the whole department. Once something like this happens , this is where they get their panties in a bunch. They don't like media attention 2 the department or the potential money loss for the whole department.
And while your at it. If you got their plate Numbers, also if your county has it where you can report traffic incidents online. By all means from other computers that are not yours report the plates of those vehicles. make up any kind of incident involving traffic and those cop cars. This will go under review into the department and once again another incident that looks bad under the officers file.
I can go on and on of a few other things but in your situation these should do just fine
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Bigrichshrooms]
#10165411 - 04/14/09 04:45 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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> This will be the evidence u need to put a restraining order on them.
In almost every state you need violence or the threat of violence to get a restraining order.
He's not going to be able to get a restraining order on those cops.
Like I said earlier, take pictures of them and post up flyers all around town saying:
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: fastfred]
#10172816 - 04/15/09 05:07 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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No. It is stalking. He can still get them in trouble. If i was to sit outside your house and watch you at random times, you are not expected to just shrug it off. I could be vigorously masturbating, climaxing at the point when you notice my presence.
If you see the officers watching you again, ask them why. Be upfront. If they follow you, stop the car in front of them, and ask them who they are and why are they following you. If they identify themselves as officers, become enraged that they are wasting your tax dollars but dont threaten them or do anything illegal. Ask them what they think you are doing illegal. Carry a little camera with you if you can afford it. That's what I would do.
And shroomz, it is perfectly legal to own a fully automatic firearm in the United States. I have neigboors who are licensed to do so, and they are just civilians with normal jobs. You would need to obtain a class 3 license. It is somewhat pricey but completely legal.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Stimpy913]
#10176037 - 04/16/09 03:12 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Cops breaking the law does not equate to cops that you can get in trouble or do anything about.
Most of the laws we have are pretty useless as they have no private remedy. Somehow they're good laws but only good when the government gets to pick and choose who they enforce them against.
And I think shroomz is just trolling for reactions or something.
Its easy enough to check and see if automatic weapons are banned for civilian ownership in this country, so I think he just doesn't like them and somehow figures its acceptable to tell people that their aquaintances are contemplating assaults and deserve many years in jail for completely legal conduct... just cuz he doesn't like it maybe?
It always amazes me that some folks who don't like guns really have no idea what is and isn't allowed in this country.
From what i can see most of the gun violence is a result of handgus and other small weapons that would be relativly unhindered by magically taking away all but single shot pistols. I think the "assault weapon" and automatic weapon fear is mostly the result of appealing to availability heuristics and ignorance. It always cracked me up to see folks agast at these assault weapons being legal when they seem like nothing more than hunting pistols with different grips or an attachment for a knife or something.
Here's a fine example of legislative ignorance. Lets make something illegal without worrying whether it makes any sense at all or whether we even know wtf it is. She pretty much says rather than trying to affect crime we were just finding correlations and banning those. (that claim is bullshit by the way- stunningly incorrect, but it woudl be stupid logic anyways absent some inkling that banning these features is at all relevant.
How does an author of a very concise law not know the major provisions? How can you ban something and not know what it is... at all? let alone why it needs to be banned.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: johnm214]
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Lol wtf? So that means if I have a barrel shroud for a paintball gun, it would henceforth be illegal? WTF?!?!?!
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Dementous]
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Well probably not, it depends on what they define as a "gun". If air guns were considered "guns" though it appear you would, yes, have that weapon be considered an assault weapon (I forget how many features were needed in that bill, some only need one, some need two).
I just don't get it. You can take a pistol and put a barrel shroud on it, and that is somehow more dangerous? The bayonet thing is weird too. Knifes are legal. What does putting a knife at the end of a pistol have to do with anything? Note these laws don't require a bayonet, only a mounting bracket where one coudl be put on- essentially a nut or something.
Whatever you think of guns though, I just think its ridiculous someone is writing laws when they don't know what the actual meat of it does. She wants to put these people in jail and yet doesn't even know who or why... but its a goodlaw 
Hard to take people like that seriously- especially as a professional lawwriter.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: johnm214]
#10181979 - 04/17/09 12:07 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah, let's ban AR-15's but allow any idiot over 18 to go buy a Remington 7mm magnum hunting rifle . I don't understand their logic behind all of this.
They can ban all the "assault weapons" they want. I'll just buy large caliber weapons instead.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
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Reminds me of Buckskin Bill. I've been to his place on the Salmon river, it's pretty cool.
http://www.huntingmag.com/big_game/mountain_men/
Too bad you can't get away with what he did nowdays.
Anyways the depression hit and Buckskin Bill decided to just say "Fuck it" and go be a mountain man. He went down the "river of no return" and set up camp. The only way to really get there then was going down the Salmon river a long ways. And they didn't have cool stuff like lifejackets and rubber rafts back then.
So he just went out and lived like a mountain man, he made all kinds of rifles. Huge 20mm ones, cannons, all sorts of stuff. At one point the forest service was going to come and kick him off of the land. So he built this big stone gun tower near the river. He had all these cannons and big rifles and was just going to blow them to bits while they were still in their boats trying to get to him.
If you ever get a chance take a trip there, it's a really fun rafting trip. Permits are really hard to get though, unless you shell out the big bucks to go with a commercial group (guided rafting trip).
Buckskin Bill's is about halfway from the start to finish and it's about the only civilization you'll see the whole trip.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
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mycoolhamm said: [ its the same reason automatic weapons are illegal. they fucking kill thousands of people each year.
I don't want to get into a gun debate here, but since when did normal guns stop killing 40,000 people per year?
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: homebaked]
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Guns don't kill people... Bullets kill people.
Get your facts straight.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: homebaked]
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mycoolhamm said: [ its the same reason automatic weapons are illegal. they fucking kill thousands of people each year.
I don't want to get into a gun debate here, but since when did normal guns stop killing 40,000 people per year?
Since when have automatic weapons caused any signifigant death in the states?
Despite their legality they simply aren't used cuz a handgun is easier, cheaper, and just as good.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Kada]
#10218199 - 04/23/09 03:50 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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This is stalking. just write down the plate numbers. make pictures of the people following you. and SUE
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
#10310384 - 05/08/09 09:50 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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if it really is a hick ass town with no crime, then it doesn't surprise me cause cops became cops for action.. If they don't get any they go looking for some. So they are just waisting time. Fuck them , but be careful. they are just waiting to beat somebody's ass.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: riosricky]
#11219845 - 10/10/09 09:20 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sooo i found out what the cars were all about watching my house and where i go.
All I'm going to say is watch out what anti government shit you say on the internet.
Im not saying anything more on the subject.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Kada]
#11219955 - 10/10/09 09:51 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Making threats?
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: libertaire]
#11222445 - 10/10/09 06:29 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Aww man I just read this whole fucking thread. You're not a fan of your government? Gee I wonder why.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Kada]
#11222637 - 10/10/09 06:59 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Kada said: Sooo i found out what the cars were all about watching my house and where i go.
All I'm going to say is watch out what anti government shit you say on the internet.
Im not saying anything more on the subject.
wow. they're monitoring al kada's computer. go figure.
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