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Madtowntripper
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Seuss]
#9987691 - 03/17/09 10:08 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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By the definitions given, that "constitution-based federalist republic" would also be a democracy though, no?
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Seuss
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Madtowntripper]
#9987792 - 03/17/09 10:32 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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> By the definitions given, that "constitution-based federalist republic" would also be a democracy though, no?
Kinda like a circle and an ellipse are the same in some cases. I thought the various definitions were interesting. As you point out, a lot of overlap.
One big difference between the two is that there are no "rules" in a democracy beyond what the people vote upon. The constitution part places rules upon what the people can vote upon.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Seuss]
#9987917 - 03/17/09 11:08 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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> One big difference between the two is that there are no "rules" in a democracy beyond what the people vote upon.
That would be a "pure democracy". As such doesn't exist it's not reasonable to just call it a "democracy" as that term has a different meaning in common usage and can be applied to any system of government where people vote on policy matters.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: fastfred]
#9987984 - 03/17/09 11:21 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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> That would be a "pure democracy". As such doesn't exist it's not reasonable to just call it a "democracy"
Tell the CIA, not me... I'm just quoting what they wrote.
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Madtowntripper
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Seuss]
#9987988 - 03/17/09 11:23 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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If I needed a back-alley conduit to the CIA, why do I get the feeling you would be the Shroomerite to start with...
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Seuss]
#9988001 - 03/17/09 11:25 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Democracy - a form of government in which the supreme power is retained by the people, but which is usually exercised indirectly through a system of representation and delegated authority periodically renewed.
That's really vague and doesn't justify your statement of "One big difference between the two is that there are no "rules" in a democracy beyond what the people vote upon."
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: fastfred]
#9988821 - 03/17/09 01:59 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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A look at some governments..
Sri Lanka: Democratic Socialist Republic America: Federal constitutional republic China: Single party communist state France: Unitary semi-presidential republic Germany: Federal Parliamentary republic Sweden: Parliamentary democracy Malaysia: Federal constitutional elective monarchy and Parliamentary democracy North Korea: Juche socialist Republic, Single-party communist state Brunei: Islamic Absolute Monarchy
These terms can be mixed around, and are not mutually exclusive, non?
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Quetzalcohuatl]
#9989914 - 03/17/09 04:32 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quetzalcohuatl said: They sound like amateurs if you were under serious investigation you'd never know they were spying on you, you'd never see them. They want you to know you are being watched probably to scare you because frankly, if you were seriously being watched you'd never know it.
great attempt at trying to make cops sound smart 
it takes 20 of em working rround the clock to catch some of us not to bright the law enforcers,thats why theyre brutal lying cunts that frame people.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: filthee]
#9992536 - 03/17/09 11:55 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think the reason i noticed them is because i was trained to notice everything around me. I was in the marine corps, and we did alot of training on urban warfare. You learn to notice what is going around you at all times, and i still keep in that habbit. So i don't think they really thought i would see all of this going on. It's funny that not 1 of my neighboors noticed this until i pointed it out, and they would get excited when they would call me and let me know they saw suspicious people in suspicious cars on the street. I got a phone call a couple days ago from the chick next door because she saw a cop coast past really slow, then suposidly speed up when they saw her on the porch looking at them.
My neighboors are really good people and they all do something against the law, so it is in their intrest to watch out for themselves as well. Im friendly with all of my neighboors, and some of us have hung out and partied at one time or another. Im guessing the cops have noticed everyone noticing them, so they backed off for awhile. I still think one of us on our street is being watched. It could be me, or it could be someone on my street i know. Who knows, they could have seen me go into one of my neighboors houses that they were watching, so they had reason to wonder what i was doing there so they followed me when i left. The funny thing is, there is only one person that sells a bit of weed here and there that lives on my street. He parties all the time and has people over all day and night, yet the cops don't seem a give a shit about him.
Well, at least they are gone for now. I really do't feel safer wth cops parked on my street lol. They are almost a threat instead.
*I did see them outside when i made this thread looking though the windows of a guys house 3 doors down from me at 3 am. They looked in his yard, then looked through his mailbox. I told him this and he was pissed off to no end. It's illegal to touch someones mailbox, and he hates cops. When i went over to tell him the next day there were cops parked across the street. They saw me go into his house and i stayed there for awhile. When left i waved to them.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Kada]
#9994105 - 03/18/09 10:11 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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is it at all possible they can get or have gotten into your house while you were out id remove the bit about your neighbors
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Kada]
#9994122 - 03/18/09 10:15 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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> I did see them outside when i made this thread looking though the windows of a guys house 3 doors down from me at 3 am.
That is illegal in almost every area it's trespassing and against most "peeping Tom" laws.
Are you just going to let these cops run wild breaking the laws and spying on people?
You really need to do something! As I mentioned take pictures of them and put up flyers!
Something along the lines of "Have you seen these men? They are suspected of trespassing, being peeping Toms, harassment, wasting taxpayer money, laziness, breaking and entering, etc.. Please report any suspicious activity to XXX-XXX-XX XX or XXX@email.com".
And that's just what they probably did. You can always throw something in there like pedophilia, voyeurism, or public masturbation.
Honestly, if nobody stands up and calls them out or at least publicly shames them for this illegal activity then they will continue doing it. It's for their own safety also. If I saw someone peeping in my window at 3 am I'd probably blow them away with a shotgun. That's just common sense not to do that. I'd feel bad about it, but I'd probably get away with it. "Some armed stranger was trying to break into my house at 3 am and I was in fear for my life!" With no search warrant, being armed, trespassing, and being suspicious they wouldn't have much of a case, especially when I claim I thought they were breaking in and feared for my life.
At the very least I'd have them at gunpoint down on the ground waiting for the police to show up. That'd be pretty embarrasing for a cop and with the report that followed they'd probably be charged with something and likely lose their job.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: fastfred]
#9994723 - 03/18/09 12:22 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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People get prosecuted all the time for killing cops, on accident, that illegally enter suspects' houses. If you read the Drug War Victims List it shows a few people.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Kada]
#9994887 - 03/18/09 12:57 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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i wonder if they have broken into people's places yet and placed bugs.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Liquidkick]
#9994913 - 03/18/09 01:02 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think the FBI has taken over my local taco bell. I ate there and got a stomach bug.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: DayzeoftheNu]
#9995333 - 03/18/09 02:07 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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DayzeoftheNu said: I think the FBI has taken over my local taco bell. I ate there and got a stomach bug. 
that's not even a good joke...
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: RedDevil420]
#10009477 - 03/20/09 06:03 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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RedDevil420 said:
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DayzeoftheNu said: I think the FBI has taken over my local taco bell. I ate there and got a stomach bug. 
that's not even a good joke...
It's funny, cos it's not funny
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: tosatori]
#10010271 - 03/20/09 08:33 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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@ the OP. They may be watching someone who you associate with, and are trying to link people to them before making a bust. Be careful.
I just thought of this now... But it makes a LOT of sense.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Shr00mZ]
#10010310 - 03/20/09 08:40 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Shr00mZ said: john... I didnt want to read your long posts.. you just posted reasonally. Your friend or family member whatever. Owns a Uzi. This is what you stated. 1. If this were legal.. its not fully auto. Make it a 9 mm hangun.. which is fuckin gay. If it is full auto god have mercy on his ur friends life for it shall be a nice long prison sentence. No jail just prison. You can get whatever gun you want aslong as its not full auto. Theres when its dangerous. Giving you the possiblity.. to out arm the law authorities. Honestly owning a fully automatic weapon has nothing to do with our right to bare arms. You dont need a fully automatic weapon to hunt game. It has to do killing ppl. Ur stupid for even bringing this up. If you think killing ppl is the right mentallity to have... then you need to go get help.
So after calling me stupid, wrong, and accusing me of having 'killing people mentality' you've yet to show that having the uzi is illegal.
Should I just presume you made that stuff up and don't care to demonstrate it?
In the future try to stick to what you know rather than what you think of the law, and don't tell people they are killers or whatever because their family member has a gun.
I'm curious what you mention hunting game for though. What does this have to do with anything? Seems a distasteful buisness to me, and yeah, nobody's taking the uzi hunting.
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You can get whatever gun you want aslong as its not full auto. Theres when its dangerous. Giving you the possiblity.. to out arm the law authorities.
huh? Who are the authorities and why must we not out arm them? And how does having an uzi accomplish that?
Next time you want to tell people what is or isn't the law in this forum cite your authorities and refrian from saying posters have a "killing people mentality", whatever the hell that is, because they mention a firearm their family has.
I guess as long as we don't "out arm" the authorities though we'll all sleep safe though, right? Just get back to me on who the authorities are and how an uzi "out arms" them.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: fastfred]
#10010544 - 03/20/09 09:18 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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fastfred said: > I did see them outside when i made this thread looking though the windows of a guys house 3 doors down from me at 3 am.
That is illegal in almost every area it's trespassing and against most "peeping Tom" laws.
Are you just going to let these cops run wild breaking the laws and spying on people?
You really need to do something! As I mentioned take pictures of them and put up flyers!
Something along the lines of "Have you seen these men? They are suspected of trespassing, being peeping Toms, harassment, wasting taxpayer money, laziness, breaking and entering, etc.. Please report any suspicious activity to XXX-XXX-XX XX or XXX@email.com".
And that's just what they probably did. You can always throw something in there like pedophilia, voyeurism, or public masturbation.
Honestly, if nobody stands up and calls them out or at least publicly shames them for this illegal activity then they will continue doing it. It's for their own safety also. If I saw someone peeping in my window at 3 am I'd probably blow them away with a shotgun. That's just common sense not to do that. I'd feel bad about it, but I'd probably get away with it. "Some armed stranger was trying to break into my house at 3 am and I was in fear for my life!" With no search warrant, being armed, trespassing, and being suspicious they wouldn't have much of a case, especially when I claim I thought they were breaking in and feared for my life.
At the very least I'd have them at gunpoint down on the ground waiting for the police to show up. That'd be pretty embarrasing for a cop and with the report that followed they'd probably be charged with something and likely lose their job.
-FF
you would call the police? wow i thought you hated pigs. you sound like a pretty educated guy until you start talking like a jackass. No cops were looking in this guys window or rummaging around in his garage. he is prob. mistaken so when you start talking about ruining cops lives you just sound like a punk kid. but thats just my opinion.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: RedDevil420]
#10011986 - 03/21/09 02:49 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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RedDevil420 said: @ the OP. They may be watching someone who you associate with, and are trying to link people to them before making a bust. Be careful.
I just thought of this now... But it makes a LOT of sense.
Very true.
Altho i just found out a guy i used to get herb from all the sudden dissapeared right before this all happened. He may or may not have recived more than a few mushrooms from Someone Who I Met on more than one occasion. If i find out that bastard got busted and named me, im going to beat him with is own shoe. I don't grow anymore so im safe, but even if he knew that and named me to get out of some shit he dug himself in i may snap. This is purly speculation of course, but he "went out of town" pretty quick and sudden.
Either way i think the coppers lost intrest in me. I have yet to find one parked near my street or even following me latley. It stopped pretty fast after i posted this. They cops have been busy tho arresting drunks and looking for a loose panther in town tho. Who the fuck keeps a panther as a pet?
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