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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: supra]
    #9971517 - 03/14/09 04:44 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

> wrong on a very basic level...

LOL, it probably sucks to nitpick semantics and then be wrong about it.

By popular usage the word "democracy" means a form of government in which the government derives its power from the people and is accountable to them for the use of that power.

Even in technical terms the United States IS a democracy.  We have ballot initiatives and referendums, which means that voters can and do directly decide policy issues.

Next time you might want to limit your semantics to square vs rectangle arguments.


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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Shr00mZ]
    #9972089 - 03/14/09 06:18 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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john... I didnt want to read your long posts.. you just posted reasonally. Your friend or family member whatever. Owns a Uzi. This is what you stated. 1. If this were legal.. its not fully auto. Make it a 9 mm hangun.. which is fuckin gay.  If it is full auto god have mercy on his ur friends life for it shall be a nice long prison sentence. No jail just prison. You can get whatever gun you want aslong as its not full auto. Theres when its dangerous. Giving you the possiblity.. to out arm the law authorities. Honestly owning a fully automatic weapon has nothing to do with our right to bare arms. You dont need a fully automatic weapon to hunt game. It has to do killing ppl. Ur stupid for even bringing this up. If you think killing ppl is the right mentallity to have... then you need to go get help.






You don't think a gun is an arm?

And I've seen both the tax stamp and the permit from the ATF, so I'm quite sure its legal.

And while I've never seen it fired, the ATF called it an automatic weapon and issued the permit for one.


I suppose you could go tell them they made a mistake.

Or maybe you could realize that the fact that a gun is automatic doesn't change a whole lot.


But if you are so sure of yourself you can post here the law that prevents him from owning the uzi.  Does this prevent the cops too or just him?


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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Kada]
    #9972126 - 03/14/09 06:23 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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I agree that was extreme. But, I do believe people should be responsible for the chaos and injustice they cause by "just doing their jobs". They are still morally responsible for the things they do, even if they were ordered to do such things. I asked a cop once if he liked being a cop. He told me, "Hell yea." I asked him why, and he pointed at his badge and said, "This lets me do all sorts of fucked up shit." Nice guy right?

I say cops deserve whatever they get. Because they break real laws that we have to follow that keep people safe. Sure there can be real super cops out there, but even they speed 30 miles over the speed limit off duty down the street my kids cross the road at just to get to the super market quickly.

I wouldn't get a cop in trouble unless he makes trouble for me in a unappropriated way. I still don't say they are just doing their jobs tho. They are doing their jobs, and in doing that they are being big assholes thet do deserve what they get. Only a giant douch would choose to be a cop with the laws we have today. It's them against the rest of us, and thats what they are trained to think.




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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: fastfred]
    #9972169 - 03/14/09 06:29 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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I'd try to get to the bottom of it...  Go out and ask to see their badges, ask what their business is, tell them that someone ran over something in your driveway and you've seen them turning around in it and ask if they know anything about it, tell them some flowers were run over one day and you're looking to file a small claims against whoever did it, tell them that you've heard of people dressed as police molesting young boys and so you need to see their badges and call them in to make sure they're legit.

Believe me after asking them if they're real cops and if they're trying to molest young boys a few times they'll loose interest fast.  Tell them that it looked like they were masturbating while small children walked by and you just wanted to check it out.

Remember you can always report "it looked like" or "I thought I saw" or "I heard instances of..." or "it sounded like..." as much as you want.  If you call to report make sure you tell them that you want a note of the incident placed in these officer's personnel files "just to be safe".

You can bet that when a "looked like they were masturbating as children walked by" report shows up in their file they will back off real quick.

Otherwise have some fun with them.  Act suspicious, pretend like you're trying to lose them (legally of course).  Make them think they are on to something.  Then maybe set up a camera in your house as somebody suggested and catch them breaking and entering or trespassing in your garage.  There was a case of this where the "never get busted again" guy grew tomatoes under big lights inside and set up a camera to catch cops coming into his place.  They had illegally used thermal imaging to find him.  He had a nice note notifying them they were on a new show about crooked cops.  Boy did they have egg on their faces after that.  I think it's posted on youtube.

You could also play dirty.  Find a posted private drive to lead them down with a big hidden sinkhole or tire popping devices / spike strip on it.  Then videotape them trying to get out, videotape all the damage they cause to the driveway, then sue them for it.

Also remember that it doesn't take much to make the paper in a small town, and people love reading about cop adventures.  If you can catch them doing anything at all wrong then they'll be shamed in the paper at least.

Another dirty trick... Take pictures of them and post up warning flyers around school, etc..  Something to the effect of Warning: this man has been seen loitering in vehicles watching schoolchildren... Suspected pedophile, watch for this man and warn your children.

If you did that they would either back off or they'd be so angry that they'd break some major rules trying to get back at you, then you can really get them.  You can always say "Sorry, I didn't know you were a cop!  I could have sworn you were a pedophile stalking children.  It's really hard to tell the difference sometimes."

Good luck, and let us know what happens.


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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: RedDevil420]
    #9972203 - 03/14/09 06:34 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

@ the OP, what you should actually do is go speak with a good lawyer.  You could have the police on criminal charges of stalking and harassment.  Also, get video of it first, but hide the cameras carefully, inside if you can so they can't be seen.  The more video of them you have the better, and also set one up inside in case they do break in or something stupid like that.  THey might even try to dteal the tapes if they're stupid enough.. they are pigs so you never know.

EDIT: basically expose the corruption, if everyone did maybe they would fuck off.  Assholes shouldn't be police.



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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Kada]
    #9972398 - 03/14/09 07:02 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I would totally go and ask what's up, but that's just me.


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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #9972538 - 03/14/09 07:26 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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I would totally go and ask what's up, but that's just me.



That's no fun, you cant sue them that way :frown:

You can say that you werent sleeping the entire time it went on.  Don't lie about when it started, sue for damages.  Make up a bunch of psycho BS, you probably are a bit rattled, I would be.


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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: fastfred]
    #9973522 - 03/14/09 10:28 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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> wrong on a very basic level...

LOL, it probably sucks to nitpick semantics and then be wrong about it.

By popular usage the word "democracy" means a form of government in which the government derives its power from the people and is accountable to them for the use of that power.

Even in technical terms the United States IS a democracy.  We have ballot initiatives and referendums, which means that voters can and do directly decide policy issues.

Next time you might want to limit your semantics to square vs rectangle arguments.


-FF




quoted from elsewhere:

Accurately defined, a democracy is a form of government in which the people decide policy matters directly--through town hall meetings or by voting on ballot initiatives and referendums. A republic, on the other hand, is a system in which the people choose representatives who, in turn, make policy decisions on their behalf.

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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: supra]
    #9973676 - 03/14/09 10:57 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Im not going to get too heated into this right now, but FF and John thank you for your input.

Anyway... I will keep my eye here.

This kid has it twisted.


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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: LateForTheFuture]
    #9974510 - 03/15/09 01:41 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

God damn you two, the United States is a Democratic Republic. Shit...


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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Dementous]
    #9975537 - 03/15/09 10:19 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Fuck republics, democracy is pretty much the best way to go.  Less corruption, especially if it is done correctly.  Nothing should be hidden from the average person unless it involves national security or some shit like that.


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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Dementous]
    #9975595 - 03/15/09 10:36 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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God damn you two, the United States is a Democratic Republic. Shit...




and i guess this is why things that are unpopular with the people get voted YAY anyways?  Like the first bailout, about 68% of the american people OPPOSED it, yet it went through...what about the patriot act?  Another instance of the people being opposed yet it still gets pushed through.

Cut and slice it how you like, but if we were a democracy, then this would not be the case.  We try to make a representative democracy (democratic republic), but fact is those that are supposed to represent the people do not...leaving us at a republic, otherwise public opinion would be pretty damn close to how the ones that represent them vote.

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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: supra]
    #9976023 - 03/15/09 12:18 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Bush was in power dude, he's republican.  He believes that he should make decisions that he thinks are best for the country.  Democrats believe more towards that the people should have the choice.


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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: RedDevil420]
    #9976264 - 03/15/09 01:22 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

> Democrats believe more towards that the people should have the choice.

Not really.  Neither party likes to give people choice.  If they did, drugs would be legal.


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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: RedDevil420]
    #9976616 - 03/15/09 02:41 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Fuck republics, democracy is pretty much the best way to go.  Less corruption, especially if it is done correctly.  Nothing should be hidden from the average person unless it involves national security or some shit like that.




If the US was a true democracy, it would be so inefficient it wouldn't even be funny. Can you imagine if everybody could vote on every single bill that was passed? A lot of people don't understand politics or repercussions of certain bills, and that would be very complicated too.

Democracies work only to a certain level, after which you have to have a republic which is very transparent. And you have to vote in whoever you think represents your issues the most. With the advent of the internet, the government can become even more transparent.


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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Green_T]
    #9976697 - 03/15/09 02:56 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Hopefully we keep it up, it seems that governments are slowly being held accountable for more of their actions.


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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: RedDevil420]
    #9985917 - 03/16/09 10:49 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Hopefully we keep it up, it seems that governments are slowly being held accountable for more of their actions.



I agree, this has to do with the trillions of dollars we are in debt. We let the government handle it without intervention. Now everyone including the government is rethinking what we did wrong. We voted for change. We're getting it. You can see this everyday, when you see someone randomly smile at you.


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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
    #9986354 - 03/17/09 12:02 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

They sound like amateurs if you were under serious investigation you'd never know they were spying on you, you'd never see them. They want you to know you are being watched probably to scare you because frankly, if you were seriously being watched you'd never know it.


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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: supra]
    #9987651 - 03/17/09 09:56 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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> wrong on a very basic level...

LOL, it probably sucks to nitpick semantics and then be wrong about it.

By popular usage the word "democracy" means a form of government in which the government derives its power from the people and is accountable to them for the use of that power.

Even in technical terms the United States IS a democracy.  We have ballot initiatives and referendums, which means that voters can and do directly decide policy issues.

Next time you might want to limit your semantics to square vs rectangle arguments.


-FF




quoted from elsewhere:

Accurately defined, a democracy is a form of government in which the people decide policy matters directly--through town hall meetings or by voting on ballot initiatives and referendums. A republic, on the other hand, is a system in which the people choose representatives who, in turn, make policy decisions on their behalf.

:rolleyes:




Again, you're arguing against the common usage of the term 'democracy' and you're ignoring the fact that we DO have ballot initiatives and referendums.  That makes us a democracy in the technical sense.  People in this country CAN "decide policy matters directly".

So stick to square vs rectangle arguments.  A square is also a rectangle BTW.  Your points are understood, but getting sidetracked on a loosing semantics argument is not the best way to present them.


-FF


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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: fastfred]
    #9987678 - 03/17/09 10:05 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

According to the CIA factbook, the United States is a "constitution-based federal republic".  Definitions given:

Constitutional - a government by or operating under an authoritative document (constitution) that sets forth the system of fundamental laws and principles that determines the nature, functions, and limits of that government.

Constitutional democracy - a form of government in which the sovereign power of the people is spelled out in a governing constitution.

Democracy - a form of government in which the supreme power is retained by the people, but which is usually exercised indirectly through a system of representation and delegated authority periodically renewed.

Democratic republic - a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote for officers and representatives responsible to them.

Federal republic - a state in which the powers of the central government are restricted and in which the component parts (states, colonies, or provinces) retain a degree of self-government; ultimate sovereign power rests with the voters who chose their governmental representatives.

Republic - a representative democracy in which the people's elected deputies (representatives), not the people themselves, vote on legislation.


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