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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: fastfred]
#9965145 - 03/13/09 02:15 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Start by looking at the history of prohibition. See how it was founded on hysteria, lies, and racism. Study how ALL cultures have used drugs for religious and recreational purposes for thousands of years before this country was even founded.
>>> You are comparing civilized american culture to cultures thousands of years ago(lol). theres a reason the U.S. is the greatest country on the planet
You are really showing your ignorance of prohibition history here.
I'm not talking about thousands of years ago. Prohibition got serious only in 1971. That's just a tiny fraction of OUR countries history. And prohibition is NOT what made this country great. It's been a dismal failure no matter who's statistics you look at.
BTW if you think being the country with the highest level of incarceration in the developed world makes us great then I really pity you. You are a propaganda drone that has never questioned the so called reality that you've been spoon fed.
What are you doing on this site anyways? Most people here know what prohibition is all about and have looked at the numbers and followed the news. They already know the exact reasons, logic, and statistics that make your arguments completely wrong. You just end up looking really uneducated on the issue.
-FF
If you dont like the laws, by all means leave. why are you here if its so bad. You are the one who looks uneducated. You still haven't shown me how legalizing drugs is going to keep people off drugs or were you going to just keep name calling. You know nothing about drugs or addiction. Like i said this country has a democracy and you are the minority in your thinking.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
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So do you think prohibition is keeping people off drugs?
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: johnm214]
#9965306 - 03/13/09 02:40 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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johnm214 said: 1. Automatic weapons aren't illegal, a family member has an uzi.
>>>>Machine gun ban (The Hughes Amendment) As debate for FOPA was in its final stages, Rep. William J. Hughes (D-N.J.) proposed an amendment to ban the civilian ownership or transfer of any fully-automatic weapon which was not registered by May 19, 1986. However, any such weapon manufactured and registered before the May 19 cutoff could still be legally owned and transferred by civilians.
2. Your mom's issue doesn't show drugs aren't victimless. This is a term that refers to a victim as someone who's suffered by another's violation of their rights. Your mom has no rights against herself, there was no victim.
>>>I was a victim of my moms death. I had inalienable rights as her child. "That all men are by nature equally free and independent, and have certain inherent rights, of which, when they enter into a state of society, they cannot, by any compact, deprive or divest their posterity; namely, the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring and possessing property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety"
"We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
Whatever your mom did to fuck herself up is irrelevant. I should not have to be jailed because your mom was irresponsible or unlucky, and I should not have to pay to jail others.
>>>>she may have been irresponsible but addiction is real and people are stupid, that is why we have laws. Im not saying dont have fun with drugs im just saying dont bitch when you get caught. that includes cop-hating.
It is your body- there is no philosohpical maxim compatible with even the most basic notions of the freedoms we widely recognize that can objectively defend the prohibition scheme we have in this country.
Your mom dieing seems like an emotional crutch you thrown out there. I have no qualms with saying that if your mom hurt herself that is her own problem. If your family didn't care to help her that was their choice. And if she didn't care to avail herself to that help than that was hers- and I guess she demonstrated her values, right? And if she was just unlucky then that is but one more scenario and none of these created a victim.
>>>Sometimes drugs are stonger than people. like i said we got her to rehab 3 times but she couldnt stop. btw i would beat ur ass if you said this to my face
The sole exception may be if children were harmed, but this is an actual victim. Mothers abusing drugs of whatever legal status and causing harm to their children is worthless as a particular example as we are discussing victimless crimes. If you prefer your mother would have been labled a felon and jailed then fine.
>>> everybody has family and usually they suffer the worst in these situations
We are talking about people who have not violated another's rights here. And it is profoundly immoral to take from and jail people who have not wronged.
And yes, cocaine shoudl be legal, and it allready is for some applicatons. I suppose the approval of a doctor makes it not a bad drug? Or do we just not care whether the restriction or penalty is logical or moral and we enforce it anyways?
Why on earth should cocaine not be legal?
>>>because it is highly addictive, highly dangerous, destroys lives. thats not just an opinion either. its a fact and you cant argue with it.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Green_T]
#9965349 - 03/13/09 02:47 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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green_titan said: So do you think prohibition is keeping people off drugs?
Its keeping me off drugs now that im not a dumb kid anymore. Ive done all sorts of drugs. i think they are fun as hell. but some people cant handle themselves. and remember im not saying marijuana shouldnt be legal. I think alcohol is much more harmful than weed.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
#9965423 - 03/13/09 02:57 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you dont like the laws, by all means leave. why are you here if its so bad. You are the one who looks uneducated. You still haven't shown me how legalizing drugs is going to keep people off drugs or were you going to just keep name calling. You know nothing about drugs or addiction. Like i said this country has a democracy and you are the minority in your thinking.
WOW! LOL!
Let's add civics, logic, and debate to your ignorant areas. Can't really blame you though you're on par with the majority of Americans.
I'll skip the majority of the civics lesson, but... There are always going to be corrupt politicians and immoral laws on the books. The same is true of anywhere you go. And I don't know why you'd expect me to leave my homeland because of a little over 30 years of immoral prohibition. While that may be well over your lifetime it is only a tiny fraction of this countries history. The whole point of modern democracies is that you don't have to become a refugee everytime you are persecuted. There is orderly change of power and anyone can work to change the laws they feel are unjust.
Further it is the obligation of enlightened people everywhere to resist oppression and injustice, not just run away from it.
Seems that they are replacing civics and ethics lessons with more and more WOD propaganda these days.
It's a real shame that it won't be long before people who think this WOD is the norm for society will actually be running the country.
> Like i said this country has a democracy and you are the minority in your thinking.
Too bad you don't really understand what a democracy is. Democracies provide legal recourse for injustice, orderly change of power, freedom to express minority political views, ability to run for office, ability to work to change unjust laws, and are not just a tyranny of the majority.
The WOD is unjust and goes against the principles of logic, morality, and freedom that this country was founded upon. It will not last. The WOD is a dangerous experiment and a dismal failure. That is fact.
For something that is a dismal failure, costs a ton of money, incarcerates hundreds of thousands of otherwise innocent people, accomplishes NONE of it's goals, actually produces more crime and violence by raising drug prices I don't understand why anyone is for it.
Now I can understand you wanting to get rid of drugs and/or drug problems. But this is like beating your brains out against a brick wall because you want to be on the other side. It just doesn't work! At the end you're broke, you've locked up a ton of your citizens, driven up drug prices, forced petty dealers into huge organized crime rings, and ruined many people's lives... And what do you have to show for it in the end? NOTHING There's still demand, still supply, still a drug problem. No data to date has suggested that we are making even a small dent in the drug trade.
If you don't give a shit about freedom and rights it's STILL not worth the money.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
#9965696 - 03/13/09 03:54 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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green_titan said: So do you think prohibition is keeping people off drugs?
Its keeping me off drugs now that im not a dumb kid anymore.
Isnt it you and your own decisions keeping yourself off drugs because you educated yourself, and thus not prohibition? And "since you aren't a kid anymore" doesnt that imply others would be the same if they could only access drugs after they turn 18/21 in a regulated market as opposed to 13 under prohibition?
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Green_T]
#9965822 - 03/13/09 04:26 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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"The WOD is unjust and goes against the principles of logic, morality, and freedom that this country was founded upon. It will not last. The WOD is a dangerous experiment and a dismal failure. That is fact."
Please explain how banning harmful substances is illogical and immoral!!!!! Please explain how legalizing crack and meth will help people get help for their problem!!!!!
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
#9965840 - 03/13/09 04:31 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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mycoolhamm said: "The WOD is unjust and goes against the principles of logic, morality, and freedom that this country was founded upon. It will not last. The WOD is a dangerous experiment and a dismal failure. That is fact."
Please explain how banning harmful substances is illogical and immoral!!!!! Please explain how legalizing crack and meth will help people get help for their problem!!!!!
That response probably wasn't for me, but read : http://www.strike-the-root.com/61/victor/victor1.html
The author points out why banning harmful substances is immoral, because what we do to ourselves is ultimately up to us. Does the government ban McDonalds because fatty food is harmful, and obesity kills a shit ton of people? no. Does the government ban alcohol because it kills more people than all illegal drugs combined? No. (they tried it and it backfired).
He also explains how meth addicts have a legal disincentive to not seek help, and the history of meth use in this country (hint: meth wasn't invented in 1997)
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Green_T]
#9966675 - 03/13/09 07:46 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Most people addicted to drugs fear seeking treatment because of legal repercussions, and that would likely change with legalization.
Most people addicted to heroin or cocaine are not motivated to seek treatment, but are motivated to continue using the drug.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Green_T]
#9966682 - 03/13/09 07:47 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Your statemetn to F_F seems to suggest you don't like this whole democracy thing. If you don't like the law, leave? How about we change the law? I love this country, that doesn't mean I have to love all its actions.
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Your mom dieing seems like an emotional crutch you thrown out there. I have no qualms with saying that if your mom hurt herself that is her own problem. If your family didn't care to help her that was their choice. And if she didn't care to avail herself to that help than that was hers- and I guess she demonstrated her values, right? And if she was just unlucky then that is but one more scenario and none of these created a victim.
>>>Sometimes drugs are stonger than people. like i said we got her to rehab 3 times but she couldnt stop. btw i would beat ur ass if you said this to my face
And like I said, it does seem to be an emotional crutch you use in this argument.
You make a refrence to your mom to support your argument. Its obvious she is dead and that is likely a sore spot, but you use it to support your argument. Then when people explain why the mom example isn't relevant and argue that her choices do not demonstrate her rights were infringed but rather that she either a) made choices willingly of herself over her family demonstrating who she cared more for, or b) was just unlucky you say you'd beat my ass if I said that to your face.
The whole point is she had her choice and made it, whatever the effects of the drug were it didn't remove her own responsiblity for her actions. Its a crutch in this argument becaue it seemed obvious you would not want to here these types of counterarguments against your mom's right's being infringed by drugs as it was her own choice. You affirm that in your emotional response.
Surely it was tragic, but if you don't want to discuss your mom's death then don't. Don't expect, however; to use your mom's death as a tool to attempt to show why her and I should be jailed and labeled felons and not have me respond. In other words, if its painful to talk about don't talk about it. But don't use it in an argument and expect others not to reply. That is the crutch I am talking about- you make proclamations and nobody can respond because of your emotions.
Perhaps we should not discuss this specific example further if it upsets you? But if you continue it is by your own will the subject is discussed.
PS The decleration of independance is not law so the citation is meaningles legally.
PPS I am aware of the ban on private ownership of newer automatics, but this doesn't demosntrate automatics are illegal. Like I said, a family member as a private citezin has a fully automatic uzi- which is completely legal for him to have or walk around town with.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
#9966725 - 03/13/09 07:57 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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mycoolhamm said: "The WOD is unjust and goes against the principles of logic, morality, and freedom that this country was founded upon. It will not last. The WOD is a dangerous experiment and a dismal failure. That is fact."
Please explain how banning harmful substances is illogical and immoral!!!!! Please explain how legalizing crack and meth will help people get help for their problem!!!!!
Again, cocaine and meth are allready legal depending on how that word is used. Both are available per doctor's order and meth at least per prescription.
While this isn't really relevant as the inverse is the problem, what good does criminalizing it do?, I think it is wroth noting the choice of words you use.
You say banning drugs isn't illogical. We are discussing the criminalization of them. What exactly are you saying you want done? Cuz it seems like you want people to be labled felons, unable to get jobs as a result, have their property seized, their kids taken from them, and their bodies placed in jail.
Is this what you are defending? How does this help anyone?
I would think it the burden of the person advocating jailing at great expense people who've harmed noone to demonstrate such is appropriate.
I'm pretty interested to hear, however; how you think marijuana should be legal and not meth or cocaine. How do you come to that conclusion? And are you saying we should remove coke and meth from the availble drugs for medical use? Or do you mean illegal as in only per doctor's orders?
What right does the state have to say a person will be jailed if they do not obtain teh consent of a doctor before ingesting a substance? Let's not discuss harm to children as I am asserting legalization for adult people that don't harm others (i.e. not parents who harm their children which is really the seperate offense even if drugs are involved).
If you want to lock up people that neglect or harm children then that's fine. I just don't see why I should have to pay for your desire to lock of drug users of drugs you don't like and why if I choose to use I should suffer the same due to yoru preferance.
I also agree with green titan that it seems you concede legality had nothing to do with your abstinance as you don't want to do drugs. Always the "other guy" and always "those other drugs" i.e. not pot or any of the things you like. Guess what? The "other guy" is allready doing those "other drugs" that you don't prefer.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: johnm214]
#9967588 - 03/13/09 10:52 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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john... I didnt want to read your long posts.. you just posted reasonally. Your friend or family member whatever. Owns a Uzi. This is what you stated. 1. If this were legal.. its not fully auto. Make it a 9 mm hangun.. which is fuckin gay. If it is full auto god have mercy on his ur friends life for it shall be a nice long prison sentence. No jail just prison. You can get whatever gun you want aslong as its not full auto. Theres when its dangerous. Giving you the possiblity.. to out arm the law authorities. Honestly owning a fully automatic weapon has nothing to do with our right to bare arms. You dont need a fully automatic weapon to hunt game. It has to do killing ppl. Ur stupid for even bringing this up. If you think killing ppl is the right mentallity to have... then you need to go get help.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
#9967597 - 03/13/09 10:54 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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MCH you completely left my documented quote out of your responses and therefor I will summarize what the quote explained in relation to your mother.
Your mother was a maladjusted individual who could not control her impulses as effectively as other individuals.
You side-stepped my quote so therefor I had to be blunt.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
#9967603 - 03/13/09 10:55 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Why are you on this forum underage?
Why are you on this forum in the first place thinking the way you do?
Why wont you take your idiotic, childlike, horrible, no sense garbage out of my thread like i said before?
And who are the bastards making crop circles?
You are trolling and you are most likley a puppet. God i hope you are a puppet, because no one can really be stupid as you. Yes i ment that as offensive as possible.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Kada]
#9968627 - 03/14/09 03:34 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Kada said: no one can really be stupid as you.
Welcome to 90% of "faith based" America.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: badphish]
#9968733 - 03/14/09 04:54 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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thank god
without faith we'd all be islamic or buddhist
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
#9968737 - 03/14/09 04:59 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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>>>because it is highly addictive, highly dangerous, destroys lives. thats not just an opinion either. its a fact and you cant argue with it.
only idiots die from abusing drugs or people with suicidal tendencies screaming for attention
legalization and moderation saves lives and stops people like you having a worthless voice for us to vomit over
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
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Start by looking at the history of prohibition. See how it was founded on hysteria, lies, and racism. Study how ALL cultures have used drugs for religious and recreational purposes for thousands of years before this country was even founded.
>>> You are comparing civilized american culture to cultures thousands of years ago(lol). theres a reason the U.S. is the greatest country on the planet
You are really showing your ignorance of prohibition history here.
I'm not talking about thousands of years ago. Prohibition got serious only in 1971. That's just a tiny fraction of OUR countries history. And prohibition is NOT what made this country great. It's been a dismal failure no matter who's statistics you look at.
BTW if you think being the country with the highest level of incarceration in the developed world makes us great then I really pity you. You are a propaganda drone that has never questioned the so called reality that you've been spoon fed.
What are you doing on this site anyways? Most people here know what prohibition is all about and have looked at the numbers and followed the news. They already know the exact reasons, logic, and statistics that make your arguments completely wrong. You just end up looking really uneducated on the issue.
-FF
If you dont like the laws, by all means leave. why are you here if its so bad. You are the one who looks uneducated. You still haven't shown me how legalizing drugs is going to keep people off drugs or were you going to just keep name calling. You know nothing about drugs or addiction. Like i said this country has a democracy and you are the minority in your thinking.
wrong on a very basic level...the united states is a REPUBLIC, not a democracy...say the pledge, 10 times in your head, and listen to what you are actually saying, instead of just repeating a string of words.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
#9971457 - 03/14/09 04:35 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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johnm214 said: 1. Automatic weapons aren't illegal, a family member has an uzi.
>>>>Machine gun ban (The Hughes Amendment) As debate for FOPA was in its final stages, Rep. William J. Hughes (D-N.J.) proposed an amendment to ban the civilian ownership or transfer of any fully-automatic weapon which was not registered by May 19, 1986. However, any such weapon manufactured and registered before the May 19 cutoff could still be legally owned and transferred by civilians.
2. Your mom's issue doesn't show drugs aren't victimless. This is a term that refers to a victim as someone who's suffered by another's violation of their rights. Your mom has no rights against herself, there was no victim.
>>>I was a victim of my moms death. I had inalienable rights as her child. "That all men are by nature equally free and independent, and have certain inherent rights, of which, when they enter into a state of society, they cannot, by any compact, deprive or divest their posterity; namely, the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring and possessing property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety"
"We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
Whatever your mom did to fuck herself up is irrelevant. I should not have to be jailed because your mom was irresponsible or unlucky, and I should not have to pay to jail others.
>>>>she may have been irresponsible but addiction is real and people are stupid, that is why we have laws. Im not saying dont have fun with drugs im just saying dont bitch when you get caught. that includes cop-hating.
It is your body- there is no philosohpical maxim compatible with even the most basic notions of the freedoms we widely recognize that can objectively defend the prohibition scheme we have in this country.
Your mom dieing seems like an emotional crutch you thrown out there. I have no qualms with saying that if your mom hurt herself that is her own problem. If your family didn't care to help her that was their choice. And if she didn't care to avail herself to that help than that was hers- and I guess she demonstrated her values, right? And if she was just unlucky then that is but one more scenario and none of these created a victim.
>>>Sometimes drugs are stonger than people. like i said we got her to rehab 3 times but she couldnt stop. btw i would beat ur ass if you said this to my face
The sole exception may be if children were harmed, but this is an actual victim. Mothers abusing drugs of whatever legal status and causing harm to their children is worthless as a particular example as we are discussing victimless crimes. If you prefer your mother would have been labled a felon and jailed then fine.
>>> everybody has family and usually they suffer the worst in these situations
We are talking about people who have not violated another's rights here. And it is profoundly immoral to take from and jail people who have not wronged.
And yes, cocaine shoudl be legal, and it allready is for some applicatons. I suppose the approval of a doctor makes it not a bad drug? Or do we just not care whether the restriction or penalty is logical or moral and we enforce it anyways?
Why on earth should cocaine not be legal?
>>>because it is highly addictive, highly dangerous, destroys lives. thats not just an opinion either. its a fact and you cant argue with it.
I can very well argue with your 'fact' that cocaine destroys lives. People destroy their lives, not cocaine.
People destroy their own lives using coke. Cocaine does not come to someones front door, cut itself into lines, then force itself up a users nose. The user DECIDES to use it, not only then, they DECIDE to abuse it, and finally make the CHOICE to destroy their lives with it. The drug itself does none of these things, it is inanimate and does absolutely nothing.
There are many people out there that destroy their lives with food, by being gluttonous to the point of obesity and giving themselves a heart attack at 40, should we outlaw food for our own protection too?
If we want to truly call ourselves a 'free' country, in terms that we can do what we want as long as we do not deprive others of their life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, then prohibition should be repealed.
Here is another fact for you:
Cocaine kills less people every year than does cars, tobacco, alcohol, or even water...good thing it is illegal since it is SO dangerous. Also, to preempt your argument that its because of prohibition, i bet if you look at the ratio of users of all of these to those its killed, then it probably still holds its ground, though i doubt any study has been held on that.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: johnm214]
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mycoolhamm said: "The WOD is unjust and goes against the principles of logic, morality, and freedom that this country was founded upon. It will not last. The WOD is a dangerous experiment and a dismal failure. That is fact."
Please explain how banning harmful substances is illogical and immoral!!!!! Please explain how legalizing crack and meth will help people get help for their problem!!!!!
Again, cocaine and meth are allready legal depending on how that word is used. Both are available per doctor's order and meth at least per prescription.
cocaine is available by prescription as well. They have little bottles of it at the pharmacy used for eye drops, its a very good anesthetic for eye pain.
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