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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: dd12783]
#9957612 - 03/12/09 10:46 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Are you really going to drive drunk and then pass judgement on people here who do things that kill WAY less people each year? My mom died when i was young too, from cancer from smokeing cigarettes, which are legal. Pot was the only thing that made her feel better, which is illegal. Idk i just love when people jump on here and say drugs are wrong and everyone should be put in jail for it...
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
#9958164 - 03/12/09 12:46 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Kada said: If you break the law where you are committing a crime on another person, or doing something dangerous where you could harm someone else, then that is a crime. If you fuck up your own life because you cant control yourself, then you should check into rehab before you fuck someone Else's life up by physically harming them. Whatever someone does to themselves because they have no control is their own business. It's time the government stops trying to regulate something they can't regulate while they harm innocent people. Perhaps if drugs were legal some people wouldn't be afraid to get the help they need, instead of thinking there is no hope and harming themselves.
The problems with drugs, is they are illegal. Arresting innocent people, Giving people no way out that need help, creating a black market where honest people have to deal with criminals, jailing good people that need help, and instead locking them up and making them slaves of the state. Prohibition gives people no chance and no hope. If someone does something as stupid as heroin or crack, then they are fucked up to begin with, and making it illegal just makes it harder to help people. Look up Hollands drug programs and rehabs for the addicts. I'm not just some dumb fucker that wants to get high legally. I want the world a better place to.
Prohibition is evil as hell. Read this and tell me they don't know better than we do. I'm not saying the shit should be on the drug store shelves. I only smoke weed, but i know prohibition on everything else just causes more problems. I'm sorry if your mom had her demons, but did having it illegal really help her out?
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there is a reason drugs are illegal and its the same reason automatic weapons are illegal. they fucking kill thousands of people each year. oh and if its legal and everybody's hooked; well shit I'm opening a god-damn coke/crack/heroin/meth/extacy supermarket. i agree that weed is pretty harmless and maybe shrooms. Oh and my mom only had 1 "demon" and it killed her. so stfu about my mom. you may have a buddy that can recreationally use drugs and not get hooked; but i can name 10 that got fucked up and hurt themselves and everyone around them. I would recommend you go on a 1 month coke binge and then try and control yourself. go back and read your last post; you contradict yourself like 8 times.
You do know you have to be 18 to post on this site don't you kid? I think I'm actually putting my first person on ignore. You are so ignorant, and have nothing to back up anything you say. You brought up the fact your mom was a junkie and i was sympathetic. You can't hold a intelligent conversation without the temperament of a teenager. Gtfo of my thread.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Green_T]
#9958253 - 03/12/09 12:59 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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This argument sounds kind of backwards to me green, so people dont care about legality when they experiment with drugs but they do when there trying to get clean and get help? Sorry but people who get and stay clean have been to bottoms that will make them go to any lengths to not use including possibly incriminating themselves its there life that's in jeopardy not most value there life over there freedom. Also referring people for treatment and interventions etc are ridiculous IMO and Ive seldom seen it work on anyone for the long term.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
#9958595 - 03/12/09 02:14 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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there is a reason drugs are illegal and its the same reason automatic weapons are illegal. they fucking kill thousands of people each year.
By that measure we should also throw people in prison for using prescription medication under the care of their doctor, aspirin, hamburgers, cars, tylenol, cigarettes, or alcohol.
Also, all schedule I drugs would be legal.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
#9958620 - 03/12/09 02:18 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I understand your argument QM. However, with people hiding all their drug use, it is harder to spot abuse and thus help them. People are less likely to admit they have a problem with a substance if their use of it is a crime.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: madsick]
#9958631 - 03/12/09 02:20 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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madsick said: Are you really going to drive drunk and then pass judgement on people here who do things that kill WAY less people each year? My mom died when i was young too, from cancer from smokeing cigarettes, which are legal. Pot was the only thing that made her feel better, which is illegal. Idk i just love when people jump on here and say drugs are wrong and everyone should be put in jail for it...
I didnt pass judgement i said i think pot maybe should be legal but that other douchbag was talking about ruining a cops life by posting flyers all over the place calling them child molestors. thats just rediculous. like i said: man up if you get caught or move to another country. btw the government isnt that harsh on people that do drugs. just the people that are hardcore sellers.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
#9958717 - 03/12/09 02:35 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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btw the government isnt that harsh on people that do drugs. just the people that are hardcore sellers.
That is a common rumor but its not true.
For example, in Louisiana, you can be sent to prison for up to 20 years the third time you get caught smoking a joint.
Many drug users get charged as dealers because of the weight of what they have, or due to "evidence of dealing" found in the house. Who doesn't have sandwich baggies in their kitchen? Fresh mushrooms are very heavy, if you find a big cluster of active Gymnopilus on a tree and get caught with that, that is several pounds of a schedule I drug and will get someone a long prison sentence in most places.
Many people who buy drugs own a scale so they don't get ripped off by dealers, but owning drugs and a scale means you get charged as a drug dealer.
Putting a small amount of drugs in a big bottle of water means you have pounds of a drug, triggering a long mandatory minimum prison sentence.
Marijuana cookies are much heavier than just weed, so someone caught baking a batch of cookies would be treated as a drug dealer.
Often when you want to buy 2 grams, the guy will give it to you in two one gram bags, meaning you are a drug dealer if you get caught.
One hit of acid on a sugarcube is just as illegal as a gram of acid which is ten thousand doses.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
#9958949 - 03/12/09 03:19 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: mycoolhamm
You've got a lot to learn kid. When you have more life experience under your belt or study and understand the problem based on the logic of it you'll have a much different view of the world.
Start by looking at the history of prohibition. See how it was founded on hysteria, lies, and racism. Study how ALL cultures have used drugs for religious and recreational purposes for thousands of years before this country was even founded.
Then look at every scientific review of the problem, which has always pointed to prohibition being a much larger problem than drugs. And also that legal drugs cause more deaths and problems than illegal drugs.
Learn some economics and see why prohibition CAN'T work and can only increase profits for violent criminals and deprive the state of tax revenue. Examine how much money is costs us every year to jail our own citizens for something that harmed nobody. They're robbing our children and our citizens to dump money down a sinkhole that only grows bigger the more money that is put into it.
Look at how prohibition has denied people access to treatment by jailing them or stigmatizing them. Look at how anti-drug research is nearly non-existent because almost all drug-related research has been prohibited by the DEA.
I'm amazed that people don't have a basic grasp of logic and truth. It's not hard to find at all.
It's sad that you don't realize that your mother probably wouldn't have died if there was no prohibition. There's about 5-7 reasons why that statement is true.
She might have sought help if it wasn't stigmatized and illegal. She might have sought help if the government wouldn't have taken her children away and sent her to prison for it.
She might have been cured by something like the "cocaine vaccine" if the government hadn't restricted research in that area.
She might never have started if the gov had put the DEA/prison money into education and treatment. Or maybe if they didn't tell baldfaced lies about drugs that lead people to doubt the dangers of drugs.
If the DEA/prison money was spent on education, tax cuts, social assistance, and the like she might have been too wealthy and educated to get involved in drugs.
I could go on but I'm tired of typing.
The real point here is that prohibition likely led to your mother's death, yet you've bought into the government's bullshit.
Prohibition is a dangerous experiment which has been conducted for only a minuscule fraction of the time that man has walked on this earth. People need to realize that this is a failed experiment and is not the norm for the vast majority of history.
As far as you dissing my suggestions... Well if someone is stalking you and trying to take away your freedom and put you in prison you have every right to defend yourself.
You have a lot to learn about cops and after you experience them lying, cheating, robbing, and threatening to kill you you'll probably gain a different perspective about the nature of people that become cops. Check out the shroomery news service. You'll see for yourself how many times they beat people to death, plant drugs on them, shoot unarmed people, cover up for each other, lie in court, etc..
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: fastfred]
#9959245 - 03/12/09 04:21 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Tracking a group of children from preschool until age eighteen, the two University of California at Berkely researches found that "adolescents who had engaged in some drug experimentation (primarily marijuana) were the best-adjusted in the sample. Adolescents who used drugs frequently were maladjusted, showing a distinct personality syndrome marked by interpersonal alienation, poor impulse control, and manifest emotional distress. Adolescents who, by age eighteen, had never experimented with any drug were relatively anxious, emotionally constricted, and lacking in social skills." "The typical Drugnet responded," they reported, "was well educated, employed full-time, a regular voter, participated in recreational/community activities not involving drugs, and described their physical health status as good. Their mental well-being was similar to [that of] the general adult population." Only about one in ten of the respondents said drug use had resulted in a failure related to school, work, or family life. "This group of drug users appears to be dramatically different from the clinically observed population of drug abusers," the researchers wrote. "This sample also appears to be notably different [from the] popular image of drug consumers as personally and socially deviant individuals."
Quoted with accuracy from Saying Yes! In Defense of Drug Use This book is a good read. Very politically correct and enlightening. Should the minority set the status quo for the majority? We already do this in school and students suffer from it!
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Green_T]
#9959673 - 03/12/09 05:31 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hard to spot drug abuse? Do you even know anyone who does any hard drugs and is addicted. You can tell by the way their mannerisms are and all sorts of ways youd have to be pretty naive not to be able to spot drug abuse.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
#9959754 - 03/12/09 05:41 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Not talking about hard drugs. Even still, the bottom line is people are afraid of laws so they make poor decisions which endanger themselves or others, such as taking too many pills at once to get past checkpoints or waiting till the last minute to call paramedics for an overdose, or dumping the person at the ER and driving away quickly.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Green_T]
#9959832 - 03/12/09 05:51 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well you got me there Im even guilty of taking too many pills to get past a checkpoint.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: fastfred]
#9960999 - 03/12/09 08:31 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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prohibition or not my moms organs in her body failed due to damage from LEGAL drugs. she went to rehab 3 times. drugs ruined her mind/body/spirit. fastfred said: Re: mycoolhamm
You've got a lot to learn kid. When you have more life experience under your belt or study and understand the problem based on the logic of it you'll have a much different view of the world.
>>> ive experienced more in life than you can imagine and have traveled all over the world.
Start by looking at the history of prohibition. See how it was founded on hysteria, lies, and racism. Study how ALL cultures have used drugs for religious and recreational purposes for thousands of years before this country was even founded.
>>> You are comparing civilized american culture to cultures thousands of years ago(lol). theres a reason the U.S. is the greatest country on the planet
Then look at every scientific review of the problem, which has always pointed to prohibition being a much larger problem than drugs. And also that legal drugs cause more deaths and problems than illegal drugs.
>>>thats b/c they are alot more commonly used thanks to prohibition
Learn some economics and see why prohibition CAN'T work and can only increase profits for violent criminals and deprive the state of tax revenue. Examine how much money is costs us every year to jail our own citizens for something that harmed nobody. They're robbing our children and our citizens to dump money down a sinkhole that only grows bigger the more money that is put into it.
>>> your still saying drugs harmed nobody. death is harm. everyone around my mom suffered b/c of one thing "her addiction".
Drugs are bad for individuals, families, communities. Thats why they are illegal.
Look at how prohibition has denied people access to treatment by jailing them or stigmatizing them. Look at how anti-drug research is nearly non-existent because almost all drug-related research has been prohibited by the DEA.
>>>jail is a form of treatment, its rehabilitation for repeat offenders breaking laws that democracy has brought about. you're just on the losing side of democracy.
I'm amazed that people don't have a basic grasp of logic and truth. It's not hard to find at all.
It's sad that you don't realize that your mother probably wouldn't have died if there was no prohibition. There's about 5-7 reasons why that statement is true.
She might have sought help if it wasn't stigmatized and illegal. She might have sought help if the government wouldn't have taken her children away and sent her to prison for it.
>>>she went to multiple rehabs and we were never taken away from her
She might have been cured by something like the "cocaine vaccine" if the government hadn't restricted research in that area.
She might never have started if the gov had put the DEA/prison money into education and treatment. Or maybe if they didn't tell baldfaced lies about drugs that lead people to doubt the dangers of drugs.
>>> how has the government lead people to believe that drugs are not dangerous. making it illegal? and punishing offender? i think you watch to many movies
If the DEA/prison money was spent on education, tax cuts, social assistance, and the like she might have been too wealthy and educated to get involved in drugs.
>>> now your just reaching but they could use some of that money to educate you
I could go on but I'm tired of typing.
The real point here is that prohibition likely led to your mother's death, yet you've bought into the government's bullshit.
>>> dumbest thing you have ever said in your life
Prohibition is a dangerous experiment which has been conducted for only a minuscule fraction of the time that man has walked on this earth. People need to realize that this is a failed experiment and is not the norm for the vast majority of history.
As far as you dissing my suggestions... Well if someone is stalking you and trying to take away your freedom and put you in prison you have every right to defend yourself.
>>> yes but obviously the cop isnt watching this dude everyday for smoking a little weed. plus your suggestions could get the guy in real trouble
You have a lot to learn about cops and after you experience them lying, cheating, robbing, and threatening to kill you you'll probably gain a different perspective about the nature of people that become cops. Check out the shroomery news service. You'll see for yourself how many times they beat people to death, plant drugs on them, shoot unarmed people, cover up for each other, lie in court, etc..
>>>i think the shroomery news service might just be a little biased
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
#9962139 - 03/12/09 11:30 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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<<i think the shroomery news service might just be a little biased>>
Wrong you are about that one. We don't make or write the news here, we simply link real articles from real news publications about real busts, new laws going into effect, and yes, in many cases, injustices performed by corrupt law enforcement officials thanks to drug prohibition.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
#9963493 - 03/13/09 07:03 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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>>> how has the government lead people to believe that drugs are not dangerous. making it illegal? and punishing offender? i think you watch to many movies
They lie about the dangers of marijuana, and people know it, so they don't trust their information when it comes to other drugs. The real dangers of the drugs are mixed with the propaganda, so people can't tell them apart - especially younger kids.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: SuperD]
#9963719 - 03/13/09 08:40 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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SuperD said: <<i think the shroomery news service might just be a little biased>>
I agree, but thats wha you get.. when you join a drug forum. Veggie puts alot of his two cents in. Right in that inital post. I dont think he should do that. It makes it seem biased. If he reply his opinion... like we do.. I think it would come off better.
Your not going to go anywhere in life thats not opinionated, or biased. If there was a balance in society... it would work like nature, which is flawless. But instead society is as crooked as a politation. This is the whole good vs evil thing.
When it comes down to the government.. they lie to us about everything not just drugs. When you are taught something at a young age... you believe in it and store it in your memory bank. I really hate when the facts about drugs are fucked up. I dont want to have some telling me facts about drugs.. that are completely not facts.. and just bullshit. Lol ive had about 10 ppl tell me that mushrooms give you the side effects of LSD. I was like wow.. misinformed. Then they dont believe me when I try and correct them. Some ppl think you smoke mushrooms.. or snort them. . Come on thats retarded.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Shr00mZ]
#9964247 - 03/13/09 11:18 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Start by looking at the history of prohibition. See how it was founded on hysteria, lies, and racism. Study how ALL cultures have used drugs for religious and recreational purposes for thousands of years before this country was even founded.
>>> You are comparing civilized american culture to cultures thousands of years ago(lol). theres a reason the U.S. is the greatest country on the planet
You are really showing your ignorance of prohibition history here.
I'm not talking about thousands of years ago. Prohibition got serious only in 1971. That's just a tiny fraction of OUR countries history. And prohibition is NOT what made this country great. It's been a dismal failure no matter who's statistics you look at.
BTW if you think being the country with the highest level of incarceration in the developed world makes us great then I really pity you. You are a propaganda drone that has never questioned the so called reality that you've been spoon fed.
What are you doing on this site anyways? Most people here know what prohibition is all about and have looked at the numbers and followed the news. They already know the exact reasons, logic, and statistics that make your arguments completely wrong. You just end up looking really uneducated on the issue.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: fastfred]
#9964764 - 03/13/09 01:07 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey back on topic lol.
I haven't seen one cop near me or my house in days.

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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: fastfred]
#9964816 - 03/13/09 01:18 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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1. Automatic weapons aren't illegal, a family member has an uzi.
2. Your mom's issue doesn't show drugs aren't victimless. This is a term that refers to a victim as someone who's suffered by another's violation of their rights. Your mom has no rights against herself, there was no victim.
Whatever your mom did to fuck herself up is irrelevant. I should not have to be jailed because your mom was irresponsible or unlucky, and I should not have to pay to jail others.
It is your body- there is no philosohpical maxim compatible with even the most basic notions of the freedoms we widely recognize that can objectively defend the prohibition scheme we have in this country.
Your mom dieing seems like an emotional crutch you thrown out there. I have no qualms with saying that if your mom hurt herself that is her own problem. If your family didn't care to help her that was their choice. And if she didn't care to avail herself to that help than that was hers- and I guess she demonstrated her values, right? And if she was just unlucky then that is but one more scenario and none of these created a victim.
The sole exception may be if children were harmed, but this is an actual victim. Mothers abusing drugs of whatever legal status and causing harm to their children is worthless as a particular example as we are discussing victimless crimes. If you prefer your mother would have been labled a felon and jailed then fine.
We are talking about people who have not violated another's rights here. And it is profoundly immoral to take from and jail people who have not wronged.
And yes, cocaine shoudl be legal, and it allready is for some applicatons. I suppose the approval of a doctor makes it not a bad drug? Or do we just not care whether the restriction or penalty is logical or moral and we enforce it anyways?
Why on earth should cocaine not be legal?
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
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QuantumMeltdown said: Hard to spot drug abuse? Do you even know anyone who does any hard drugs and is addicted. You can tell by the way their mannerisms are and all sorts of ways youd have to be pretty naive not to be able to spot drug abuse.
What is a hard drug and what is addiction?
I'm willing to be the answers to those questions mean the answer to your question is a result of the definitions you use rather than anything useful about drugs and behavior.
Yeah, the people you can obviously tell are on drugs are... obviously on drugs. Indeed.
Have you ever know people who you didn't know were 'on drugs'? And you couldn't tell? Oh, no you couldn't, because a) the question's framing leads to the conclusion that you don't know of them, and b) demonstrates that you only know the asses.
Nobody I worked with ever knew I used asprin or wellbutrin at one time, or marijuana, or lsd, or that I've been prescribed opioids, or any of that. Whatever these "hard drugs" are, seriously what is an objective definition... I think its pretty much impossible to arrive at one, you have no idea how many people are using them nor what the effects are just from what you observe.
And either way, not directed at you particularly, the big unstated presumption in this thread, as in many legalization debates, is the silly notion that drug problems are somehow related to legal status. It seems the illegalization appologists like to just presume this as a premise and move on. Well I'll challenge it. How do you know the two are related or related in a way that favors you?\
Doesn't matter cuz its immoral to prohibit with jail and theft these victimless crimes, but I'm interested in the basis for this unspoken assumption. Or do you just like locking people up regarldess of the merits?
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