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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
#9949922 - 03/11/09 02:16 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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1) Get rid of all old growing supplies 2) If you are harassed by an undercover, call the cops on the cops, tell them someone suspicious is following you 3) Make a habit of video taping them. Make them famous on youtube. Once word gets around at the station that they will be famous if they mess with you, they will probably back off. 4) Do engage them in conversation. Make sure they are doing their job with your tax money, not just wasting time. 5) Don't do anything to piss them off other than making them famous.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
#9950307 - 03/11/09 07:21 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well, they weren't out there last night as far as i could tell. I went to sleep really early tho. I'm wondering if the package i received over 3 weeks ago might have made someone curious. I ordered a native American flute from southern California, and they might have thought it was a bong or a pipe of some kind. I dunno, I'm trying to brainstorm still as to why they care to bother me. The post office doesn't have scanners or something like that do they? Aw thats just going to far i think. It is just a damn flute.
LOL. Stupid cops got me thinkin crazy. God i hope they are out there today.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
#9951172 - 03/11/09 11:37 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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keep everything squeaky clean. if you can get a chance, ask one of the shadows why the fuck they are following you. you could also try phoning your local police station and asking wtf is up.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Kada]
#9952084 - 03/11/09 02:37 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Kada said: God i hope they are out there today.
HUH?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
#9952454 - 03/11/09 03:37 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'd try to get to the bottom of it... Go out and ask to see their badges, ask what their business is, tell them that someone ran over something in your driveway and you've seen them turning around in it and ask if they know anything about it, tell them some flowers were run over one day and you're looking to file a small claims against whoever did it, tell them that you've heard of people dressed as police molesting young boys and so you need to see their badges and call them in to make sure they're legit.
Believe me after asking them if they're real cops and if they're trying to molest young boys a few times they'll loose interest fast. Tell them that it looked like they were masturbating while small children walked by and you just wanted to check it out.
Remember you can always report "it looked like" or "I thought I saw" or "I heard instances of..." or "it sounded like..." as much as you want. If you call to report make sure you tell them that you want a note of the incident placed in these officer's personnel files "just to be safe".
You can bet that when a "looked like they were masturbating as children walked by" report shows up in their file they will back off real quick.
Otherwise have some fun with them. Act suspicious, pretend like you're trying to lose them (legally of course). Make them think they are on to something. Then maybe set up a camera in your house as somebody suggested and catch them breaking and entering or trespassing in your garage. There was a case of this where the "never get busted again" guy grew tomatoes under big lights inside and set up a camera to catch cops coming into his place. They had illegally used thermal imaging to find him. He had a nice note notifying them they were on a new show about crooked cops. Boy did they have egg on their faces after that. I think it's posted on youtube.
You could also play dirty. Find a posted private drive to lead them down with a big hidden sinkhole or tire popping devices / spike strip on it. Then videotape them trying to get out, videotape all the damage they cause to the driveway, then sue them for it.
Also remember that it doesn't take much to make the paper in a small town, and people love reading about cop adventures. If you can catch them doing anything at all wrong then they'll be shamed in the paper at least.
Another dirty trick... Take pictures of them and post up warning flyers around school, etc.. Something to the effect of Warning: this man has been seen loitering in vehicles watching schoolchildren... Suspected pedophile, watch for this man and warn your children.
If you did that they would either back off or they'd be so angry that they'd break some major rules trying to get back at you, then you can really get them. You can always say "Sorry, I didn't know you were a cop! I could have sworn you were a pedophile stalking children. It's really hard to tell the difference sometimes."
Good luck, and let us know what happens.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: fastfred]
#9952910 - 03/11/09 04:53 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: fastfred]
#9954133 - 03/11/09 07:52 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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fastfred said: I'd try to get to the bottom of it... Go out and ask to see their badges, ask what their business is, tell them that someone ran over something in your driveway and you've seen them turning around in it and ask if they know anything about it, tell them some flowers were run over one day and you're looking to file a small claims against whoever did it, tell them that you've heard of people dressed as police molesting young boys and so you need to see their badges and call them in to make sure they're legit.
Believe me after asking them if they're real cops and if they're trying to molest young boys a few times they'll loose interest fast. Tell them that it looked like they were masturbating while small children walked by and you just wanted to check it out.
Remember you can always report "it looked like" or "I thought I saw" or "I heard instances of..." or "it sounded like..." as much as you want. If you call to report make sure you tell them that you want a note of the incident placed in these officer's personnel files "just to be safe".
You can bet that when a "looked like they were masturbating as children walked by" report shows up in their file they will back off real quick.
Otherwise have some fun with them. Act suspicious, pretend like you're trying to lose them (legally of course). Make them think they are on to something. Then maybe set up a camera in your house as somebody suggested and catch them breaking and entering or trespassing in your garage. There was a case of this where the "never get busted again" guy grew tomatoes under big lights inside and set up a camera to catch cops coming into his place. They had illegally used thermal imaging to find him. He had a nice note notifying them they were on a new show about crooked cops. Boy did they have egg on their faces after that. I think it's posted on youtube.
You could also play dirty. Find a posted private drive to lead them down with a big hidden sinkhole or tire popping devices / spike strip on it. Then videotape them trying to get out, videotape all the damage they cause to the driveway, then sue them for it.
Also remember that it doesn't take much to make the paper in a small town, and people love reading about cop adventures. If you can catch them doing anything at all wrong then they'll be shamed in the paper at least.
Another dirty trick... Take pictures of them and post up warning flyers around school, etc.. Something to the effect of Warning: this man has been seen loitering in vehicles watching schoolchildren... Suspected pedophile, watch for this man and warn your children.
If you did that they would either back off or they'd be so angry that they'd break some major rules trying to get back at you, then you can really get them. You can always say "Sorry, I didn't know you were a cop! I could have sworn you were a pedophile stalking children. It's really hard to tell the difference sometimes."
Good luck, and let us know what happens.
-FF
well i think thats a little extreme. im guessing your one of those "mad at the cop types cause u got caught". after all in the u.s. it is illegal to do things like smoke weed and grow shrooms so there is no reason to try and ruin a guys life for doing his job
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
#9954565 - 03/11/09 08:50 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I agree that was extreme. But, I do believe people should be responsible for the chaos and injustice they cause by "just doing their jobs". They are still morally responsible for the things they do, even if they were ordered to do such things. I asked a cop once if he liked being a cop. He told me, "Hell yea." I asked him why, and he pointed at his badge and said, "This lets me do all sorts of fucked up shit." Nice guy right?
I say cops deserve whatever they get. Because they break real laws that we have to follow that keep people safe. Sure there can be real super cops out there, but even they speed 30 miles over the speed limit off duty down the street my kids cross the road at just to get to the super market quickly.
I wouldn't get a cop in trouble unless he makes trouble for me in a unappropriated way. I still don't say they are just doing their jobs tho. They are doing their jobs, and in doing that they are being big assholes thet do deserve what they get. Only a giant douch would choose to be a cop with the laws we have today. It's them against the rest of us, and thats what they are trained to think.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Kada]
#9954912 - 03/11/09 09:27 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Kada said: I agree that was extreme. But, I do believe people should be responsible for the chaos and injustice they cause by "just doing their jobs". They are still morally responsible for the things they do, even if they were ordered to do such things. I asked a cop once if he liked being a cop. He told me, "Hell yea." I asked him why, and he pointed at his badge and said, "This lets me do all sorts of fucked up shit." Nice guy right?
I say cops deserve whatever they get. Because they break real laws that we have to follow that keep people safe. Sure there can be real super cops out there, but even they speed 30 miles over the speed limit off duty down the street my kids cross the road at just to get to the super market quickly.
I wouldn't get a cop in trouble unless he makes trouble for me in a unappropriated way. I still don't say they are just doing their jobs tho. They are doing their jobs, and in doing that they are being big assholes thet do deserve what they get. Only a giant douch would choose to be a cop with the laws we have today. It's them against the rest of us, and thats what they are trained to think.
i just believe that the majority of cops are not crooked. it is a decent way of making a living and an exciting job. you think we should have no cops or just cops that dont bust people for doing illegal shit. i dont get upset when i get in trouble cause i choose to live in a country that has rules and regs. so if you get busted dont blame it on someone else. man up!
oh and im pretty sure im a minority in thinking this way on this site
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Kada]
#9954932 - 03/11/09 09:29 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I worked as a campus cop when I went to university. I tried to become a good man in a bad situation. Some duties of cops are legitimate, while others are for stupid drug related stuff. Some of my colleagues would bust people smoking weed and make them break their pipes. When I would catch someone, i'd just tell them that wherever they were doing it wasn't wise because the cops patrol the place, and would recommend them better places to smoke .
When people found out about my cop job, they'd always say "wtf? why would you want to work with the cops??". I would say it would either be me or some dickhead that catches them with bud. I worked really hard, always came in on time, and was an all round good employee. After gaining the respect of my co-workers, I would let my straight-edge friends know that I smoke weed responsibly, and helped break the stereotype of a lazy stoner for them.
There are plenty of bad cops out there, but a few good ones. We have to respect the good ones for leveling the playing field.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Anonymous #1]
#9955002 - 03/11/09 09:38 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Anonymous said: I worked as a campus cop when I went to university. I tried to become a good man in a bad situation. Some duties of cops are legitimate, while others are for stupid drug related stuff. Some of my colleagues would bust people smoking weed and make them break their pipes. When I would catch someone, i'd just tell them that wherever they were doing it wasn't wise because the cops patrol the place, and would recommend them better places to smoke .
When people found out about my cop job, they'd always say "wtf? why would you want to work with the cops??". I would say it would either be me or some dickhead that catches them with bud. I worked really hard, always came in on time, and was an all round good employee. After gaining the respect of my co-workers, I would let my straight-edge friends know that I smoke weed responsibly, and helped break the stereotype of a lazy stoner for them.
There are plenty of bad cops out there, but a few good ones. We have to respect the good ones for leveling the playing field.
i got pulled over for dwi and blew a .15 on the street which isnt admissable in court so when we got downtown to the breathalyzer that counts the cop let me sit in processing area for nearly two hours b/c i explained to him that i am not a person that ever drives after drinking; i just got unlucky the 1 time i did. I damn near passed the test which is what he was trying to help me do. he almost looked upset that i didnt pass.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
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Kada said: I agree that was extreme. But, I do believe people should be responsible for the chaos and injustice they cause by "just doing their jobs". They are still morally responsible for the things they do, even if they were ordered to do such things. I asked a cop once if he liked being a cop. He told me, "Hell yea." I asked him why, and he pointed at his badge and said, "This lets me do all sorts of fucked up shit." Nice guy right?
I say cops deserve whatever they get. Because they break real laws that we have to follow that keep people safe. Sure there can be real super cops out there, but even they speed 30 miles over the speed limit off duty down the street my kids cross the road at just to get to the super market quickly.
I wouldn't get a cop in trouble unless he makes trouble for me in a unappropriated way. I still don't say they are just doing their jobs tho. They are doing their jobs, and in doing that they are being big assholes thet do deserve what they get. Only a giant douch would choose to be a cop with the laws we have today. It's them against the rest of us, and thats what they are trained to think.
i just believe that the majority of cops are not crooked. it is a decent way of making a living and an exciting job. you think we should have no cops or just cops that dont bust people for doing illegal shit. i dont get upset when i get in trouble cause i choose to live in a country that has rules and regs. so if you get busted dont blame it on someone else. man up!
oh and im pretty sure im a minority in thinking this way on this site
I think that there should be a victim to show for a crime. If there is no victim, there is no crime. What i choose to inhale or injest into my own body in my own home should be my buisness. Smoking pot should not be a crime. But if i go out while im stoned and break someones window out or something like that, now that is a crime. Prohibition is one of the most fucked up thing the government has come up with. There is nothing about prohibition that was for the people. Prohibition is crooked shit, and I don't see how you can say a law is right just because congress passed it.
That reminds me, i love this quote:
I will accept the rules that you feel necessary to your freedom. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do. -Robert Heinlein
-------------------- ~The Cultivators Motherload~ "I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein "There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies. My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama Live long and prosper.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Kada]
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Kada said:
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mycoolhamm said:
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Kada said: I agree that was extreme. But, I do believe people should be responsible for the chaos and injustice they cause by "just doing their jobs". They are still morally responsible for the things they do, even if they were ordered to do such things. I asked a cop once if he liked being a cop. He told me, "Hell yea." I asked him why, and he pointed at his badge and said, "This lets me do all sorts of fucked up shit." Nice guy right?
I say cops deserve whatever they get. Because they break real laws that we have to follow that keep people safe. Sure there can be real super cops out there, but even they speed 30 miles over the speed limit off duty down the street my kids cross the road at just to get to the super market quickly.
I wouldn't get a cop in trouble unless he makes trouble for me in a unappropriated way. I still don't say they are just doing their jobs tho. They are doing their jobs, and in doing that they are being big assholes thet do deserve what they get. Only a giant douch would choose to be a cop with the laws we have today. It's them against the rest of us, and thats what they are trained to think.
i just believe that the majority of cops are not crooked. it is a decent way of making a living and an exciting job. you think we should have no cops or just cops that dont bust people for doing illegal shit. i dont get upset when i get in trouble cause i choose to live in a country that has rules and regs. so if you get busted dont blame it on someone else. man up!
oh and im pretty sure im a minority in thinking this way on this site
I think that there should be a victim to show for a crime. If there is no victim, there is no crime. What i choose to inhale or injest into my own body in my own home should be my buisness. Smoking pot should not be a crime. But if i go out while im stoned and break someones window out or something like that, now that is a crime. Prohibition is one of the most fucked up thing the government has come up with. There is nothing about prohibition that was for the people.
crack should be legal?
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
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Every drug should be legal. It isn't the governments buisness. What BAD things people do on OR off drugs are what people should be held accountable for. People wouldn't suddenly start smoking crack if it was legal. In times before prohibition of dangerous drugs, there were far less people doing them.
-------------------- ~The Cultivators Motherload~ "I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein "There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies. My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama Live long and prosper.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Kada]
#9955372 - 03/11/09 10:24 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Kada said: Every drug should be legal. It isn't the governments buisness. What BAD things people do on OR off drugs are what people should be held accountable for. People wouldn't suddenly start smoking crack if it was legal. In times before prohibition of dangerous drugs, there were far less people doing them.
who would hold them accountable? my mom died from drugs when i was young so don't call drugs victimless
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
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If you break the law where you are committing a crime on another person, or doing something dangerous where you could harm someone else, then that is a crime. If you fuck up your own life because you cant control yourself, then you should check into rehab before you fuck someone Else's life up by physically harming them. Whatever someone does to themselves because they have no control is their own business. It's time the government stops trying to regulate something they can't regulate while they harm innocent people. Perhaps if drugs were legal some people wouldn't be afraid to get the help they need, instead of thinking there is no hope and harming themselves.
The problems with drugs, is they are illegal. Arresting innocent people, Giving people no way out that need help, creating a black market where honest people have to deal with criminals, jailing good people that need help, and instead locking them up and making them slaves of the state. Prohibition gives people no chance and no hope. If someone does something as stupid as heroin or crack, then they are fucked up to begin with, and making it illegal just makes it harder to help people. Look up Hollands drug programs and rehabs for the addicts. I'm not just some dumb fucker that wants to get high legally. I want the world a better place to.
Prohibition is evil as hell. Read this and tell me they don't know better than we do. Im not saying the shit should be on the drug store shelves. I only smoke weed, but i know prohibition on everything else just causes more problems. Im sorry if your mom had her demons, but did having it illegal really help her out?
Legalize
http://normal.no/txt/pol04ams.htm
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Kada]
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Hell yeah probation is evil. Its like the law givin you rope to hang yourself.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Kada]
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Kada said: If you break the law where you are committing a crime on another person, or doing something dangerous where you could harm someone else, then that is a crime. If you fuck up your own life because you cant control yourself, then you should check into rehab before you fuck someone Else's life up by physically harming them. Whatever someone does to themselves because they have no control is their own business. It's time the government stops trying to regulate something they can't regulate while they harm innocent people. Perhaps if drugs were legal some people wouldn't be afraid to get the help they need, instead of thinking there is no hope and harming themselves.
The problems with drugs, is they are illegal. Arresting innocent people, Giving people no way out that need help, creating a black market where honest people have to deal with criminals, jailing good people that need help, and instead locking them up and making them slaves of the state. Prohibition gives people no chance and no hope. If someone does something as stupid as heroin or crack, then they are fucked up to begin with, and making it illegal just makes it harder to help people. Look up Hollands drug programs and rehabs for the addicts. I'm not just some dumb fucker that wants to get high legally. I want the world a better place to.
Prohibition is evil as hell. Read this and tell me they don't know better than we do. Im not saying the shit should be on the drug store shelves. I only smoke weed, but i know prohibition on everything else just causes more problems. Im sorry if your mom had her demons, but did having it illegal really help her out?
Legalize
http://normal.no/txt/pol04ams.htm
there is a reason drugs are illegal and its the same reason automatic weapons are illegal. they fucking kill thousands of people each year. oh and if its legal and everybodys hooked; well shit im opening a god-damn coke/crack/heroin/meth/extacy supermarket. i agree that weed is pretty harmless and maybe shrooms. Oh and my mom only had 1 "demon" and it killed her. so stfu about my mom. you may have a buddy that can recreationally use drugs and not get hooked; but i can name 10 that got fucked up and hurt themselves and everyone around them. I would recommend you go on a 1 month coke binge and then try and control yourself. go back and read your last post; you contradict yourself like 8 times.
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: mycoolhamm]
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Hey MCH, sorry about your mom 
However, keep in mind many people don't seek treatment for addictions because it is currently seen as a criminal problem. Most people addicted to drugs fear seeking treatment because of legal repercussions, and that would likely change with legalization. People also can't refer others to treatment, because that would be narking on them, and getting the cops involved in their lives. Also, proper information could be sent out to people so they know what they are getting themselves into, instead of lies which leave them confused.
Also, if drugs became legal, demand wouldn't skyrocket. People don't do drugs because of their legal status. The reason i don't do coke or hero is not because its illegal, but because I know what it does to people. In fact, I haven't met a single person who doesn't smoke weed who said they would if it were legal.
It is true, drugs do kill and the government should be play some role in protecting the people, but is prohibition really the best way? Are lies, propaganda, forcing people to hide their drug habits, and letting the black market control supply and purity the best way to keep people out of harms way when drugs are involved?
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Re: Cops park by my house, then follow me when i leave. WTF [Re: Green_T]
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