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 cool idea for p&s? 
#9925178 - 03/06/09 07:53 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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sticky a thread every week where 2 designated shroomery memebers debate over a given topic. the initial debate will be open to the public to view. only the 2 debators will be able to post in the thread during the debate. at the end of the week (or however long) a poll is taken to decide the winner of the debate and the thread is open for posting to everyone.
i think it would be pretty sweet....but i'm thinking we're too lazy.
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Re: cool idea for p&s? [Re: TameMe]
#9925527 - 03/06/09 09:08 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I would be so down for this, but I think the way I argue would just bring any debate directly into the ground. Damn dialectic.
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Re: cool idea for p&s? [Re: TameMe]
#9925688 - 03/06/09 09:38 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've had the exact same idea basically.
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Re: cool idea for p&s? [Re: Epigallo]
#9925693 - 03/06/09 09:40 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I voted no on the first one, and yes on the second.
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Re: cool idea for p&s? [Re: Poid]
#9925718 - 03/06/09 09:47 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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We could just do callouts, for example if someone said something in a thread or threads that was dumb someone could call them out on it and then a debate would ensue.
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Re: cool idea for p&s? [Re: xFrockx]
#9925729 - 03/06/09 09:49 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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the call-outs already happen and they are usually at least just as dumb as the original statement
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Re: cool idea for p&s? [Re: TameMe]
#9925945 - 03/06/09 10:35 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cool 
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Re: cool idea for p&s? [Re: Epigallo]
#9926084 - 03/06/09 11:10 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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And all debates would end with the clever argument, "You sir, are a jack-ass!" or a variant thereof.
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to all:
So....how do we go about selecting the first topic and who will be supporting what stance?
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Re: cool idea for p&s? [Re: TameMe]
#9926516 - 03/07/09 12:43 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Another poll? 
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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: cool idea for p&s? [Re: TameMe]
#9926548 - 03/07/09 12:52 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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those people that said they would participate, what stance would you be willing to debate?
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Re: cool idea for p&s? [Re: TameMe]
#9926605 - 03/07/09 01:06 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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It largely depends on the topic.
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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: cool idea for p&s? [Re: Poid]
#9926712 - 03/07/09 01:36 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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duh? pick one.
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Re: cool idea for p&s? [Re: TameMe]
#9929227 - 03/07/09 04:17 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I also voted no for the first question, and yes on the second. I'm hesitant about the idea of someone 'winning' the debate. Sometimes it's not about winning, it's about compromising and understanding the opposing viewpoint.
But sometimes it's about 'magic mushrooms controlling human evolution' vs 'real world facts', in which case there is a clear winner 
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Re: cool idea for p&s? [Re: zouden]
#9929337 - 03/07/09 04:40 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Zouden you stinker
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Re: cool idea for p&s? [Re: TameMe]
#9929705 - 03/07/09 05:52 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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How about.. the first debate be whether or not this idea should be pursued.
The results of it would determine whether or not such "arenas" have a place on these boards.
ya ?
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Re: cool idea for p&s? [Re: zouden]
#9929736 - 03/07/09 05:56 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
zouden said:
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zouden said:
I also voted no for the first question, and yes on the second. I'm hesitant about the idea of someone 'winning' the debate. Sometimes it's not about winning, it's about compromising and understanding the opposing viewpoint.
But sometimes it's about 'magic mushrooms controlling human evolution' vs 'real world facts', in which case there is a clear winner
With out deciding a winner, I don't see it as being very fun. I don't see anything wrong with some playful competition.
So what topic/stance would you be willing to support?
come on peeps....looks like we have enough interested people to do this.  Who's willing to debate what? Let's see if we can get two people to hold opposing stances...and then start this thing.
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Re: cool idea for p&s? [Re: TameMe]
#9932625 - 03/08/09 09:14 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't like the idea of bringing competition into philosophy. Seems pretty anti-philosophic to me. We can't avoid competition, but why making it a goal?
Voted No/No.
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Re: cool idea for p&s? [Re: Kukaracha]
#9932646 - 03/08/09 09:27 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm for the idea, though there'd probably have to be some rules to enforce civility and whatnot.
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Re: cool idea for p&s? [Re: N2loma]
#9933773 - 03/08/09 02:28 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Kukaracha said:
I don't like the idea of bringing competition into philosophy. Seems pretty anti-philosophic to me. We can't avoid competition, but why making it a goal?
Voted No/No.
because it's fun. and how is it anti-philisophical? the concept of a debate is inherently competitive in my opinion.
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N2loma said:
I'm for the idea, though there'd probably have to be some rules to enforce civility and whatnot.
the same rules of p&s would apply just the same.
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 Re: cool idea for p&s? [Re: TameMe]
#9934396 - 03/08/09 04:28 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Alright, I'm down for this on two conditions.
1. The debating parties must first read and understand the Fallacies of Philosophical Debate sticky here:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6787104
2. The debating parties must agree to avoid those fallacies.
If I find the debate is deteriorating into fallacies and name calling, I'll lock the thread and declare abeyance.
What's the first topic and who's wants to go first?
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Re: cool idea for p&s? [Re: Diploid]
#9934515 - 03/08/09 05:01 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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W-w-w-hat?! No strawmen or ad hominems?
That will make debate nigh impossible. 
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Re: cool idea for p&s? [Re: Diploid]
#9937716 - 03/09/09 01:09 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Here's a suggestion for the first topic:
Free will: does it exist?
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Re: cool idea for p&s? [Re: zouden]
#9941107 - 03/09/09 05:08 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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what stance would you argue for then?
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Re: cool idea for p&s? [Re: TameMe]
#9943367 - 03/10/09 12:02 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Zouden will argue that free will does not exist.
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Re: cool idea for p&s? [Re: TameMe]
#9943695 - 03/10/09 01:35 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hahah I wasn't volunteering to go first, merely volunteering a topic
But if I had to I'd argue that it does exist.
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Re: cool idea for p&s? [Re: zouden]
#9943909 - 03/10/09 02:54 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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someone hear should be able to take you up on that.
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Re: cool idea for p&s? [Re: Mufungo]
#9954991 - 03/11/09 09:36 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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although i think it would be the easier stance to argue...
i believe that neither can be proven.
anyone?
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Re: cool idea for p&s? [Re: TameMe]
#9956177 - 03/12/09 01:04 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
TameMe said:
sticky a thread every week where 2 designated shroomery memebers debate over a given topic. the initial debate will be open to the public to view. only the 2 debators will be able to post in the thread during the debate. at the end of the week (or however long) a poll is taken to decide the winner of the debate and the thread is open for posting to everyone.
i think it would be pretty sweet....but i'm thinking we're too lazy.
Couple of flaws here and I voted no/no. First, with some positions there isn't the required common ground for the argument to proceed. The idea stems from the ego, that part of human nature that is vile and disgusting. If you want to get the rush of adrenaline from watching such a display, have at it. Just don't think everyone here will participate or even watch. I also don't rubberneck in traffic.
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i'm not sure why you choose to look at it that way.
without the competition of ideas we'd be monotanous robots.
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Re: cool idea for p&s? [Re: MJF]
#9959041 - 03/12/09 03:39 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's easy to explain but harder for competitive types to understand. For them, everything is competition. I'm not competitive. I can discuss the merits of any argument without becoming attached to them with my ego. Oftentimes, that stems from some insecurity that I lack. People don't tend to argue about facts that are certain. Few here would argue the sky is blue or the pope is Roman Catholic. I see people that spend enormous energy on a topic as the ones that need convincing, not the other way around.
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I am also egoless. 
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 Re: cool idea for p&s? [Re: Icelander]
#9959334 - 03/12/09 04:35 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm more egoless than all of you combined. So there. 
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2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.
4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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Re: cool idea for p&s? [Re: Diploid]
#9959343 - 03/12/09 04:37 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's why you never post here anymore.
Your moderation has been excellent however.
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Re: cool idea for p&s? [Re: Icelander]
#9959372 - 03/12/09 04:40 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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do you and oc derail every thread you touch?
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Re: cool idea for p&s? [Re: MJF]
#9959391 - 03/12/09 04:44 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Often. But we don't really derail them. We just go our own way and people follow. You can't derail folk who are intent on their subject.
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Re: cool idea for p&s? [Re: Kukaracha]
#9959446 - 03/12/09 04:54 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Kukaracha said:
I don't like the idea of bringing competition into philosophy. Seems pretty anti-philosophic to me. We can't avoid competition, but why making it a goal?
Philosophy should be a charity, not a competition. We should help each other seek the truth by improving our own and others' arguments, not trying to win the argument ourself. It is not who is right but what is right.
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Re: cool idea for p&s? [Re: NastyDHL]
#9959458 - 03/12/09 04:56 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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dreamer
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: cool idea for p&s? [Re: Icelander]
#9964290 - 03/13/09 11:27 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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A nice altrustic debate being impossible does not mean we have to make it some sort of sport.
But it could be nice if both debaters avoid all attacks and aggressive, blinded behaviour. However, it will still be a matter of rhetoric I think, and the debaters will still feel it as a competition, since we are reading everything they say with a critical eye.
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Re: cool idea for p&s? [Re: Kukaracha]
#9964339 - 03/13/09 11:44 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sport is what males do. Don't forget what we are.
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
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The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: cool idea for p&s? [Re: Icelander]
#9965109 - 03/13/09 02:09 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Alien/primate hybrid.
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Re: cool idea for p&s? [Re: Kukaracha]
#9966293 - 03/13/09 06:23 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Kukaracha said:
A nice altrustic debate being impossible does not mean we have to make it some sort of sport.
But it could be nice if both debaters avoid all attacks and aggressive, blinded behaviour. However, it will still be a matter of rhetoric I think, and the debaters will still feel it as a competition, since we are reading everything they say with a critical eye.
Those truly interested in actually debating should be forced to defend views contrary to their own. Now THAT would be something I'd read.
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