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Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies?
#9921613 - 03/06/09 08:26 AM (15 years, 16 days ago) |
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I get a kick out of movies that portray Alabama as everyone having a blue-tick hound on the front porch and driving an antique pick-up with a gun rack.
It is this way in Forrest Gump, Crazy in Alabama, Sweet Home Alabama, My Cousin Vinny, etc.
It is probably true about the rural areas, but Huntsville, Birmingham, Montgomery, Mobile, Tuscaloosa, and Auburn are actually really cool towns.
Don't alot of you folks have rednecks in the rural areas?
I would be interested in anyone's experience with their local rednecks.
I would also like to hear from anyone who has been to Alabama and thinks it is more hicks per capita than other states.
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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
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Swyfty Swyf said: I get a kick out of movies that portray Alabama as everyone having a blue-tick hound on the front porch and driving an antique pick-up with a gun rack.
You mean thats not how it is?
In general, I think "red states" and or midwestern areas have more "hicks" and "rednecks" than coastal areas.
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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
#9921738 - 03/06/09 09:00 AM (15 years, 16 days ago) |
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Swyfty Swyf said: Don't alot of you folks have rednecks in the rural areas?
given that I'm about 5 minutes from alabama and in a rural area, I suspect there may be a couple of rednecks here
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I would be interested in anyone's experience with their local rednecks.
they've all been fairly pleasant
keep in mind that the term redneck wasnt all that derogatory, it was a term referring to farmers, they kept their eyes to the dirt exposing the back of their neck to the sun, I guess all in all I'm a redneck since I am a farmer
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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: badchad]
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i never judge a place by a photo or a story, i have learned in life that the only way to truely know the feel of a place is to physically GO there.
it is this mentality that keeps me travelling and anywhere, i'll go anywhere atleast once. more people would travel to more places if they also thought this way.
honestly i have heard horrible things from everyone i have talked too that have gone to Alabama, and whats weird is they all say the same things which are basically the main stereotypes.
a friend of mine brought back a Canjo and that was quite cool, we learned to play a bunch of songs on it and he mixed them into his amBient works.
anyway sorry i went off on a tangent, my point is ... i still wish to visit Alabama regardless of what i hear.
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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: Mello Kitty]
#9921749 - 03/06/09 09:03 AM (15 years, 16 days ago) |
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Rednecks make me lawl - but they're good people. Nothin quite like southern hospitality.
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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: badchad]
#9921789 - 03/06/09 09:12 AM (15 years, 16 days ago) |
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Swyfty Swyf said: I get a kick out of movies that portray Alabama as everyone having a blue-tick hound on the front porch and driving an antique pick-up with a gun rack.
You mean thats not how it is?
In general, I think "red states" and or midwestern areas have more "hicks" and "rednecks" than coastal areas.
Yes, probably so. I live in Huntsville which is 50% engineers not native to Alabama, so it is quite different from the stereotypical image of the South. Most people don't even have an accent.
Like I said though, outside of the major cities it is like 99% Evangelical-Republicans. We have alot of dry counties in Alabama. Have you ever even heard of a dry county? That means no alcohol sales. People can buy alcohol outside of the counties and take it home, but it has to be in the trunk. You could get arrested for having an unopened bottle of wine in a grocery bag in your backseat.
But in Huntsville, I can go to the Hookah Lounge and drink beer, wine, kratom infusions, smoke Salvia and Spice Gold and watch dirty movies all in one excellent public place! It's quite different from county to county.
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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
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Swyfty Swyf said: Don't alot of you folks have rednecks in the rural areas?
given that I'm about 5 minutes from alabama and in a rural area, I suspect there may be a couple of rednecks here
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I would be interested in anyone's experience with their local rednecks.
they've all been fairly pleasant
keep in mind that the term redneck wasnt all that derogatory, it was a term referring to farmers, they kept their eyes to the dirt exposing the back of their neck to the sun, I guess all in all I'm a redneck since I am a farmer
I heard the term came from West Virginian miners. It used to be that the mining companies would fight against unionization, those who supported unionization showed their support by wearing red bandanas around their necks.
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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
#9921837 - 03/06/09 09:25 AM (15 years, 16 days ago) |
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Swyfty Swyf said: Don't alot of you folks have rednecks in the rural areas?
given that I'm about 5 minutes from alabama and in a rural area, I suspect there may be a couple of rednecks here
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I would be interested in anyone's experience with their local rednecks.
they've all been fairly pleasant
keep in mind that the term redneck wasnt all that derogatory, it was a term referring to farmers, they kept their eyes to the dirt exposing the back of their neck to the sun, I guess all in all I'm a redneck since I am a farmer
I like your perspective on this. Do you find that alot of rednecks, though they may be nice folks, really have an unexcusable tendency to degrade the view of blacks as a whole? I work in the construction field as an electrician (just an office asshole now) and I was always on the lookout for someone who has an accent that was not a racist, but I haven't found one yet!
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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
#9921858 - 03/06/09 09:35 AM (15 years, 16 days ago) |
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everybody is racist at some point or another so everyone is a racist. but i do agree the rednecks n hillbillies around here are all extremely racist.
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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
#9921868 - 03/06/09 09:38 AM (15 years, 16 days ago) |
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Swyfty Swyf said: I like your perspective on this. Do you find that alot of rednecks, though they may be nice folks, really have an unexcusable tendency to degrade the view of blacks as a whole?
honestly, there seems to be far less racism from both blacks and whites out here, I believe it lends it's self to many things some of which is that small town 'everyone knows everyone else' and acceptance within the community, historically the area I'm is has apparently been an oddity because there's many documents that make reference to the blacks and indians in this area as being well respected by the whites, one black family in particular, free men prior to the civil war, owned a great deal of land and several businesses
this was never a 'sundown' town
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I was always on the lookout for someone who has an accent that was not a racist, but I haven't found one yet!
I think maybe you look to find the racism, I've encountered more racists in the large cities than I have in the rural areas, at least until I've been up north... the racism I see in atlanta comes more from blacks than whites, in the suburbs it's more from whites, in both instances it tends to be those under 35 that really carry on the most, over 50 I rarely see it
but I'm also not looking for racists
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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#9921972 - 03/06/09 10:06 AM (15 years, 16 days ago) |
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I would say that most everyone I have confronted on their racism has been under 35, like you say. And maybe I have been guilty of "looking for racists," but I really feel as if I stick my neck out alot, by speaking out against prejudice comments made by whites when no blacks are present.
As far as black people being racist, for the most part I don't feel that it is as offensive, seeing as how they are the group that has the history of being oppressed.
Example: I have heard white people say that blacks are racist because the NAACP is only out to advance blacks, and complain about what would be said if white people wanted to have an organization for the advancement of whites. This is obviosly ridiculous, because of the fact that the reason African-Americans started the NAACP is because of their oppression by whites.
I have also heard alot of chatter about racism not being a problem in America, because we now have a black president. But I don't see how having a black president is supposed to balance the tipping scale. The racial disparities for people in prison for drug crimes is appalling. I believe the majority of the reason for the disparities is racial profiling by redneck cops, who just happen to search alot more black peoples cars for drugs that whites.
So you really don't hear alot af white people complaining about black people? I don't know how many co-workers I have heard make insinuations about how Barack Obama being in office is going to result in a disasterous event with welfare policy. Ignorance abounds!
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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
#9922003 - 03/06/09 10:15 AM (15 years, 16 days ago) |
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As far as black people being racist, for the most part I don't feel that it is as offensive, seeing as how they are the group that has the history of being oppressed.
Give me a break... that so ignorant its shocking. Lose the white guilt man.
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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: DieCommie]
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Swyfty Swyf said: Don't alot of you folks have rednecks in the rural areas?
given that I'm about 5 minutes from alabama and in a rural area, I suspect there may be a couple of rednecks here
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I would be interested in anyone's experience with their local rednecks.
they've all been fairly pleasant
keep in mind that the term redneck wasnt all that derogatory, it was a term referring to farmers, they kept their eyes to the dirt exposing the back of their neck to the sun, I guess all in all I'm a redneck since I am a farmer
I heard the term came from West Virginian miners. It used to be that the mining companies would fight against unionization, those who supported unionization showed their support by wearing red bandanas around their necks.
Yeah, I had always heard something like that as well. I also remember seeing a thing on history channel or A&E or one of those channels a while back that also had said the same thing.
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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: Geomancer]
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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: DieCommie]
#9922042 - 03/06/09 10:25 AM (15 years, 16 days ago) |
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As far as black people being racist, for the most part I don't feel that it is as offensive, seeing as how they are the group that has the history of being oppressed.
Give me a break... that so ignorant its shocking. Lose the white guilt man.
It is shocking to suggest that white racism has had a more negative effect than black racism in this country? How so?
You are going to have to elaborate if want to offer a remote fraction of a valid point.
I don't see what is so ignorant about that comment.
What is a decent example of black racism, in your opinion?
I gave a few examples of white racism that I have encountered.
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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
#9922059 - 03/06/09 10:32 AM (15 years, 16 days ago) |
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the stereotype probably has to do with alabamas history of being one of the fiercest resistors of integration/civil rights and racist members of the state government
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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: 2859558484]
#9922151 - 03/06/09 10:50 AM (15 years, 16 days ago) |
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wowitch17 said: the stereotype probably has to do with alabamas history of being one of the fiercest resistors of integration/civil rights and racist members of the state government
I agree. Mississippi, too. For some reason, Mississippi just doesn't have the punchline appeal, though.
Typically, movies making innocent fun of Southerners are set in Alabama and dramatic movies about the beginning of the civil rights era are set in Mississippi.
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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: 2859558484]
#9922276 - 03/06/09 11:16 AM (15 years, 16 days ago) |
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Swyfty Swyf said: As far as black people being racist, for the most part I don't feel that it is as offensive, seeing as how they are the group that has the history of being oppressed.
you may have a lot more to learn about history, there is no single group that has been oppressed, blacks oppressed blacks, whites have oppressed whites, each has oppressed the other and everyone has oppressed other races of people, if you wish to toss religion into the mix then you're talking the same game with new names... the japanese invaded china and killed and oppressed millions, the chinese have done the same
to say blacks are entitled to be racists, that in it's self is racism
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Example: I have heard white people say that blacks are racist because the NAACP is only out to advance blacks, and complain about what would be said if white people wanted to have an organization for the advancement of whites. This is obviosly ridiculous, because of the fact that the reason African-Americans started the NAACP is because of their oppression by whites.
are they wrong? is it wrong for the blacks to now oppress whites through legislation preventing all white organizations, why is there no eskimo history month, no indian television station, no national association of white peoples... could it be because some jokers have decided that discrimination against whites is now acceptable? the way I see things, discrimination is discrimination regardless of who is on the receiving end
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I have also heard alot of chatter about racism not being a problem in America, because we now have a black president. But I don't see how having a black president is supposed to balance the tipping scale. The racial disparities for people in prison for drug crimes is appalling.
do you believe that blacks are unjustly accused, prosecuted or convicted of crimes? is it possible that many of these hispanics and african americans are actually innocent? are we expected to believe that the judicial system is prejudiced and that many of these convicts didnt have prior offenses or just try playing the race card in court and having that affect their sentence, I know if I were a judge the last thing I want to hear is 'this is societies fault, may ancestors were slaves so now I hold up liquor stores for my compensation'... excuses arent a suitable defense nor do they display remorse for having comitted a crime
there's far too many blacks in positions of power, far too many successful blacks, men and women that have graduated college, earned degrees in many professions, these people are doctors, lawyers, politicians, one even made it to the presidency, how is it possible that they can claim this bias against them?
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I believe the majority of the reason for the disparities is racial profiling by redneck cops, who just happen to search alot more black peoples cars for drugs that whites.
I'd be all for that except for one things, modern cultural stereo types, in the city of atlanta there are more black officers than white, still more blacks are arrested for drugs, I'm of the belief that music is a defining factor, take a loot at whom many of these kids idolize, rappers that claim that being gangsters and thugs is a righteous lifestyle, that dealing drugs and drive by shootings are the way things should be handled in the black community... hell, ask yourself, just how many white gangs are there in america
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So you really don't hear alot af white people complaining about black people? I don't know how many co-workers I have heard make insinuations about how Barack Obama being in office is going to result in a disasterous event with welfare policy. Ignorance abounds!
I hear lots of complaints about barack, in fact if you look at my sig, you'll see I'm no big fan and do a bit of bitching about him myself, you'll be happy to know I'd bitch about any president regardless of color, I did about carter and I was just a kid, I did about reagan and nothing had changed, same with both the bushs, and clinton... but I suppose that me disagreeing wth a political goal of the new president makes me a racist simply because he's black and I'm not, it surely couldnt be because he's adopted bad policies and gone back on the most important campaign promises he's made
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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#9922294 - 03/06/09 11:19 AM (15 years, 16 days ago) |
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SvampViking said: I heard the term came from West Virginian miners. It used to be that the mining companies would fight against unionization, those who supported unionization showed their support by wearing red bandanas around their necks.
Yeah, I had always heard something like that as well. I also remember seeing a thing on history channel or A&E or one of those channels a while back that also had said the same thing.
it was used in the US in the 1600s, before there were miners in west virginia, before that it was in scotland, many that opposed the church of england also wore the red cloth on their necks
because many of the settlers in the appalaichains were scottish it was adopted during the miners strikes
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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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you may have a lot more to learn about history, there is no single group that has been oppressed, blacks oppressed blacks, whites have oppressed whites, each has oppressed the other and everyone has oppressed other races of people, if you wish to toss religion into the mix then you're talking the same game with new names... the japanese invaded china and killed and oppressed millions, the chinese have done the same
to say blacks are entitled to be racists, that in it's self is racism
It is outside of the point to bring up the genocide in Rwanda, for example, of blacks oppressing blacks. I thought we were discussing America, where whites have consistently oppressed blacks and blacks have absolutely not oppressed whites.
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are they wrong? is it wrong for the blacks to now oppress whites through legislation preventing all white organizations, why is there no eskimo history month, no indian television station, no national association of white peoples... could it be because some jokers have decided that discrimination against whites is now acceptable? the way I see things, discrimination is discrimination regardless of who is on the receiving end
What legislation? I didn't realize that blacks were collectively banding together as one, in an effort to create laws to keep the white man down. If there was any need for white people to advance from oppression, then I am all for the NAAWP! But in reality-land, Jim Crow Laws and public lynchings greatly outweigh the injustices of Black Entertainment Television and Black History Month.
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do you believe that blacks are unjustly accused, prosecuted or convicted of crimes? is it possible that many of these hispanics and african americans are actually innocent? are we expected to believe that the judicial system is prejudiced and that many of these convicts didnt have prior offenses or just try playing the race card in court and having that affect their sentence, I know if I were a judge the last thing I want to hear is 'this is societies fault, may ancestors were slaves so now I hold up liquor stores for my compensation'... excuses arent a suitable defense nor do they display remorse for having comitted a crime
Yes we are to believe that the judicial system is prejudiced. This is not just my opinion. I will brush up on my history of irrelevent oppressions of random cultures, as you suggest, but you may want to brush up on your current events. 2008 saw the release of not one but three reports documenting in exhaustive detail how extremely skewed drug policing is in terms of the way it targets minorities. (Actually, one of the reports was released in December 2007, but whatever.) The reports are Human Rights Watch: Targeting Blacks: Drug Law Enforcment and Race in the United States (May 2008), The Sentencing Project: Disparity by Geography: The War on Drugs in America's Cities (May 2008), and the Justice Policy Institute: The Vortex: The Concentrated Racial Impact of Drug Imprisonment and the Characteristics of Punitive Counties (December 2007). These three reports all document one basic reality, which is that all people use drugs, no matter whether they are rich or poor, no matter what color their skin might be, and no matter what part of town they live in. Drug policing, drug arrests and drug prosecutions, however, focus overwhelmingly on street-level interdiction in poor, minority neighborhoods, where it takes the least work for cops to make busts. The result is nothing more and nothing less than what can be seen any day of the week by walking into any state's Superior Court and checking out who is on trial: it's overwhelmingly poor people and minorities. It's overwhelmingly the hapless and the helpless, people who are just being ground through the mill of of a dysfunctional system and don't have any way to break free.
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I believe the majority of the reason for the disparities is racial profiling by redneck cops, who just happen to search alot more black peoples cars for drugs that whites.
I'd be all for that except for one things, modern cultural stereo types, in the city of atlanta there are more black officers than white, still more blacks are arrested for drugs, I'm of the belief that music is a defining factor, take a loot at whom many of these kids idolize, rappers that claim that being gangsters and thugs is a righteous lifestyle, that dealing drugs and drive by shootings are the way things should be handled in the black community... hell, ask yourself, just how many white gangs are there in america
While there may be more black cops than white cops in Atlanta where, like the rest of America, three times the amount of blacks are arrested for drug crimes than whites, people are ultimately prosecuted according to the federal guidelines created during the Reagan administration that include sentencing policies like the 100:1 ratio, where people caught with crack are penalized as if they were caught with 100 times the amount of powder cocaine. Because of media sensationalism, the law for these sentencing guidelines was passed because of the legislators incorrect assumption that crack is 100 times more powerful than powder, and the results of this irresponsible measure have been devastating to the black community, where more of the cocaine arrests involve crack-cocaine.
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I hear lots of complaints about barack, in fact if you look at my sig, you'll see I'm no big fan and do a bit of bitching about him myself, you'll be happy to know I'd bitch about any president regardless of color, I did about carter and I was just a kid, I did about reagan and nothing had changed, same with both the bushs, and clinton... but I suppose that me disagreeing wth a political goal of the new president makes me a racist simply because he's black and I'm not, it surely couldnt be because he's adopted bad policies and gone back on the most important campaign promises he's made
In no way have I suggested that you may be a racist for disagreeing with Barack Obama's policies. Hell, I voted for him, but I don't agree with some of his policies. I truly believe that you would not base your political views on race. You are obviously quite knowledgable of the issues that are important to you. My point is that there are alot of grumblings among whites that a black man in the white house will result in more handouts for blacks. Surely, as an itelligent white man living in the South, you have heard white people, when out of audible range from black people, make racial generalizations like this that you find unfair.
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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
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you may have a lot more to learn about history, there is no single group that has been oppressed, blacks oppressed blacks...
to say blacks are entitled to be racists, that in it's self is racism
It is outside of the point to bring up the genocide in Rwanda, for example, of blacks oppressing blacks. I thought we were discussing America, where whites have consistently oppressed blacks and blacks have absolutely not oppressed whites.
I'm referring to the south, apparently you fail to realize there were many blacks that owned slaves, many irish, indian and chinese were slaves, some of those owned by black people, like I said, brush up on that history because it may surprise you to know that many of these slaves were treated quite well and didnt want slavery to end, many fought along side the owners during the civil war, I mean seriously, if I were being mistreated and handed a gun, I believe the ones I'd shoot were my oppressors
whites are being oppressed and discriminated against every day through legislation like affirmative action, many government programs as well as private enterprise and non profit organizations
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What legislation? I didn't realize that blacks were collectively banding together as one, in an effort to create laws to keep the white man down. If there was any need for white people to advance from oppression, then I am all for the NAAWP! But in reality-land, Jim Crow Laws and public lynchings greatly outweigh the injustices of Black Entertainment Television and Black History Month.
should we go into gang violence, rape and murder? the current laws regarding racial discrimination primarily favor the blacks, in fact how many blacks are prosecuted for hate crimes, how much legislation is being pushed to ban the words 'nigger' and 'nigga' but only when used by white people because when blacks use it, it's a term of endearment... is there any legislation being pushed to punish blacks for honky and cracka?
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Yes we are to believe that the judicial system is prejudiced. This is not just my opinion.
mind backing that up with something other than a statement from the prejudiced black leaders or simple statistics from the prison system
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2008 saw the release of not one but three reports documenting in exhaustive detail how extremely skewed drug policing is in terms of the way it targets minorities. (Actually, one of the reports was released in December 2007, but whatever.)
ask yourself a question, how many white drug dealers stand on the side of the road trying to sell crack, coke or pot, I may have seen 3 in my entire life while I've seen hundreds of blacks in the projects doing that very thing, most whites I've known that deal drugs do so from their home and in order to search homes they need more than 'reasonable suspicion', selling on the side of the road it takes nothing more than to see them approach a car... so maybe in fact this study is biased because it doesnt look at the circumstances under which the arrests were made
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The reports are Human Rights Watch: Targeting Blacks: Drug Law Enforcment and Race in the United States (May 2008)
yup... just as I suspected... nothing regarding the trials, nothing about the means of conviction (bench trial, jury trial, plea bargain, etc...) it's easy to make the claim that whitey is out to screw the black man when you omit all the real evidence
Drug Offenses and Black Incarceration Table 1: Prison Admissions for Drug Offenses as a Percentage of All Admissions, by Race and Gender, 2003 Racial Composition of Drug Offender Admissions Racial Disparities in Rates of Admission Table 2: Number of Prison Admissions for Drug Offenses, by Race, 2003 Fig.2: Racial Composition of Prison Admissions for Drug Offenses, 2003 Table 3: Rates of Prison Admissions for Drug Offenses, by Gender and Race, 2003 Fig.3: Rates of Prison Admissions for Drug Offenses, by Race, 2003 Fig.4: Ratio of Black:White Rates of Prison Admissions for Drug Offenses, 2003 Table 4: Ranking of States by Ratio of Black:White Prison Admission Rates for Drug Offenses, 2003 Fig.5: Correlation of White and Black Rates of Prison Admissions for Drug Offenses, 2003 Race and Gender Fig.6: Male Rates of Prison Admissions for Drug Offenses, by Race, 2003 Fig.7: Female Rates of Prison Admissions for Drug Offenses, by Race, 2003 Table 5: Ratio of Black:White Rates of Prison Admissions for Drug Offenses by Gender, 2003
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These three reports all document one basic reality, which is that all people use drugs, no matter whether they are rich or poor, no matter what color their skin might be, and no matter what part of town they live in. Drug policing, drug arrests and drug prosecutions, however, focus overwhelmingly on street-level interdiction in poor, minority neighborhoods, where it takes the least work for cops to make busts.
how many people obtain their drugs from that road side dealer in the million dollar neighborhoods, I'm sure if Country Club of the South or St. Ives had 3 dozen dealers on the streets soliciting every car that drove by most of the arrests would be made there, fact of the matter is, these people make their own problem and then try to convince us that they're innocent, that the man set them up, that it's racial profiling, that they are victims of society or what ever garbage they spew
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The result is nothing more and nothing less than what can be seen any day of the week by walking into any state's Superior Court and checking out who is on trial: it's overwhelmingly poor people and minorities.
couldnt possibly be that the poor commit more crimes than the wealthy or the middle class, couldnt possible be that the guy delivering drugs was a dumbass because he was thumpin his system at 3am while smoking a blunt or that 'shifty' had 8 dubs and a cookie in his pocket and decided to get in someones grill and start flashing his gat
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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
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In no way have I suggested that you may be a racist for disagreeing with Barack Obama's policies. Surely, as an itelligent white man living in the South, you have heard white people, when out of audible range from black people, make racial generalizations like this that you find unfair.
as an intelligent injun living in New Echota I have heard both black and white talking about black people, in fact I see it from the older blacks more than I do whites, much like you're doing here in claiming that whites tend to be more racist, you're doing a bit of racial profiling, by claiming that whites are out to get the black man, you're profiling based on race, this from my experience, is in fact racism
a black man said to me one day about a year ago "obama had my vote until last night when he did that fist bump with his wife in front of america" that same man pointed out to me that obama is a racist, he then proved it
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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
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I stayed in a hotel in Collinsville, Alabama after Bonnaroo. It was in the middle of nowhere. I went to the only gas station that was in that town, and asked if there was a movie theatre around, and they laughed at me.
My friend also for some reason ate a half sheet of acid while in the hotel. We went to pizza hut and left him there. We came back to find that he was gone. The freeway was right next to the hotel and we freaked out.
Then he came walking around the corner, saying he locked himself out, and that people were out to get him.
But yeah, in my opinion, Alabama sucks.
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marshalldylan1 said: I stayed in a hotel in Collinsville, Alabama after Bonnaroo. It was in the middle of nowhere. I went to the only gas station that was in that town, and asked if there was a movie theatre around, and they laughed at me.
there's a drive in movie between leesburg and centre, not too far from collinsville
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marshalldylan1 said: I stayed in a hotel in Collinsville, Alabama after Bonnaroo. It was in the middle of nowhere. I went to the only gas station that was in that town, and asked if there was a movie theatre around, and they laughed at me.
there's a drive in movie between leesburg and centre, not too far from collinsville
That fat bitch lied to me!
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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
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Swyfty Swyf said: I get a kick out of movies that portray Alabama as everyone having a blue-tick hound on the front porch and driving an antique pick-up with a gun rack.
It is this way in Forrest Gump, Crazy in Alabama, Sweet Home Alabama, My Cousin Vinny, etc.
It is probably true about the rural areas, but Huntsville, Birmingham, Montgomery, Mobile, Tuscaloosa, and Auburn are actually really cool towns.
Don't alot of you folks have rednecks in the rural areas?
I would be interested in anyone's experience with their local rednecks.
I would also like to hear from anyone who has been to Alabama and thinks it is more hicks per capita than other states.
If you want to see California rednecks, watch The Grapes of Wrath, for starters.
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marshalldylan1 said: I stayed in a hotel in Collinsville, Alabama after Bonnaroo. It was in the middle of nowhere. I went to the only gas station that was in that town, and asked if there was a movie theatre around, and they laughed at me.
there's a drive in movie between leesburg and centre, not too far from collinsville
That fat bitch lied to me!
it's true though, I pass it pretty regularly, only about 12 miles from collinsville, a short hop down 59 would have had you at rainbow city and gadsden, a few movie houses out that way
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If you want to see California rednecks, watch The Grapes of Wrath, for starters.
or take a visit to Oroville, CA.
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If you want to see California rednecks, watch The Grapes of Wrath, for starters.
or take a visit to Oroville, CA.
yankee rednecks in watertown or binghampton ny
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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I live in north idaho, within 10 miles of the former aryan nations headquarters... needless to say there are countless rednecks.
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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
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Man its not just like that down south, northern MI is redneck as fuck but it has its own special flare to it at the same time.
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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: Phish_Dude]
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I live in the south and the city currently reside in I have observed more racism from the blacks than the whites. Given I do believe it goes both ways I just think the blacks are more angry and vocal about their opinions than the mighty whiteys in my city. Of course it would be in poor taste for the rich whiteys to voice their feelings about the other side. I get really sick of people trying to be PC when we are all guilty of preconceived notions about others. I find joy in the fact that we are all different and can laugh at our versatility. It brings me joy to read www.stuffwhitepeoplelike.com and realize just how white I am.
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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: FunGuyFan]
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To the OP:
Dont forget about the movie EASY RIDER. I've had some bad run-ins with scary overall wearin, Primus - My Name Is Mudd, hicks, and Easy Rider pretty much scares the shit out of me.
I was on a canoe trip down in Southern Illinois during college and tripping on acid with some friends at night. We were too close to this scary little dead end shack area and bumped into some hicks having a fire at the corner of their field...they really wanted to beat the shit out of us (like 10 of them, 3 of us). It took one of the younger hicks and his wife to talk em down and basically let us go.
Fucked Up Experience man.
Have you ever noticed how many more curches there are in hick towns? Church per capita is rediculous.
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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
#9932289 - 03/08/09 05:36 AM (15 years, 14 days ago) |
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when i hear of alabama i think of 'banjos playing through the broken glass' from the neil young song
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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
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I've been to Alabama -- it's a lot worse than portrayed in films. It's full of miserable people leading shitty lives. Man, every time I visit the South, I get bummed out.
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i was hoping it was the neil young song
youtube only has covers of it
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I'm way to classy for that
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i just scraped my stem and its drying on the stove
i am smoking homegrown stovetop dried buds while i wait for the goodness tho
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am i on the wrong side of the tracks here or you?
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Re: Do folks really think Alabama is how itis portrayed in movies? [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
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There are white people in Alabama?
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...as an intelligent injun living in New Echota ...
Wow, that's only about 150 miles from where I live. We should hang out some time.
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...as an intelligent injun living in New Echota ...
Wow, that's only about 150 miles from where I live. We should hang out some time.
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