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OfflineSalviaEngland
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White Liberty cap ! ! what else could it be?
    #992123 - 10/25/02 09:42 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

White Liberty cap ?? what else could it be?

Found in normal lib habitat in the UK.

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Re: White Liberty cap ! ! what else could it be? [Re: SalviaEngland]
    #992297 - 10/25/02 11:00 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

No spore print?

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Re: White Liberty cap ! ! what else could it be? [Re: RemiMartin]
    #992304 - 10/25/02 11:03 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

in progress (no spores have dropped as yet)


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Re: White Liberty cap ! ! what else could it be? [Re: RemiMartin]
    #992307 - 10/25/02 11:05 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Looks like mycena, they don't smell like ammonia do they?

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Re: White Liberty cap ! ! what else could it be? [Re: SalviaEngland]
    #992323 - 10/25/02 11:08 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Nifty, they're possibly albino mutants, also possibly sterile. Take a spore print and save it anyways.

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Re: White Liberty cap ! ! what else could it be? [Re: RemiMartin]
    #992328 - 10/25/02 11:10 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

I've found some like that, there was a post somewhere on here a while ago. The person who found them took a print and it was a rust brown, which they were told wasnt good.
The ones I found were like that and were VERY slimy and oily.  :tongue: I dont think they are active and could be dangerous. 


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Re: White Liberty cap ! ! what else could it be? [Re: RemiMartin]
    #992337 - 10/25/02 11:12 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

In reply to:

Looks like mycena,




Yes, i also though of that but the stem seems to be bruising... could be my eyes though.

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Re: White Liberty cap ! ! what else could it be? [Re: MAIA]
    #992343 - 10/25/02 11:17 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

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Yes, i also though of that but the stem seems to be bruising... could be my eyes though.





I don't see any bruising, not that there always is on lib caps. They seem to fit the description of Mycena leptocephala which also grows in grass.

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Re: White Liberty cap ! ! what else could it be? [Re: RemiMartin]
    #992349 - 10/25/02 11:20 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

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Nifty, they're possibly albino mutants, also possibly sterile. Take a spore print and save it anyways.




Yeah, I was gonna mention that if they were lib caps they're probably sterile, judging by the fact that the gills are light. I don't know whether mycenas drop many spores, but I doubt that they do so it might be hard to solve this one.

I'll go look for a sample pic of the mycena I think it is to show you - have looked, only ones that showed up looked more like normal liberty caps, dam misidentifications.

Edited by RemiMartin (10/25/02 11:23 AM)

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Re: White Liberty cap ! ! what else could it be? [Re: bluesky]
    #992372 - 10/25/02 11:26 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Same location but not so white:



Print from norm lib:






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Re: White Liberty cap ! ! what else could it be? [Re: SalviaEngland]
    #992376 - 10/25/02 11:28 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

They smell and feel the same as lib caps.... :confused: 


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Re: White Liberty cap ! ! what else could it be? [Re: SalviaEngland]
    #992402 - 10/25/02 11:33 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

I no longer think they are Mycena leptocephala, and probably not mycena at all, after studying more pictures, seems like they're lib caps.

Did you get many lib caps today? I got a few hundred, but there wern't as many as on wednesday, the weekend should be better.

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Re: White Liberty cap ! ! what else could it be? [Re: SalviaEngland]
    #992435 - 10/25/02 11:43 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

I find sporeless liberty caps on occasion. It isn't that uncommon and is even mentioned in Stamets' book quoted below.

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Perhaps the most unusual form I have found is one that looks dangerously close to a Galerina but is in fact a denuded, nearly sporeless, orange form of P. semilanceata. With sparse spore production, the color of the overlying transluscent flesh shows a yellowish orange color instead of its normal purplish brown.




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Re: White Liberty cap ! ! what else could it be? [Re: RemiMartin]
    #992443 - 10/25/02 11:45 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

There was the potential to collect 100s /1000s of course I only took a few for research purposes.


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Re: White Liberty cap ! ! what else could it be? [Re: SalviaEngland]
    #992485 - 10/25/02 11:57 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

yeah i have found sporeless libs on more then one occasion too. They seem to be relatively common.

never saw a group of them together tho  :cool:

Edited by kaal-kopje (10/25/02 12:19 PM)

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Re: White Liberty cap ! ! what else could it be? [Re: kaal-kopje]
    #992492 - 10/25/02 11:59 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

but are they all white?


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Re: White Liberty cap ! ! what else could it be? [Re: SalviaEngland]
    #992508 - 10/25/02 12:04 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

wow, thats a trip...

The shape of the cap and margin do not look exactly the same, but that just could be me.

Are they brusing? Is the gill structure the same?

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Re: White Liberty cap ! ! what else could it be? [Re: angryshroom]
    #992561 - 10/25/02 12:24 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Looks the same to me....

The white ones are drier than the others because of different storage.



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Re: White Liberty cap ! ! what else could it be? [Re: SalviaEngland]
    #992744 - 10/25/02 01:51 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

good score (for research, i men...) but you should toss those soggy ones.


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Re: White Liberty cap ! ! what else could it be? [Re: canid]
    #992898 - 10/25/02 03:10 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Hi,

Whats wrong with the soggy ones?

Ashley

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Re: White Liberty cap ! ! what else could it be? [Re: SalviaEngland]
    #992923 - 10/25/02 03:17 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

possibly Ps. sierrae? not that that would explain the sporeless gills.


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Re: White Liberty cap ! ! what else could it be? [Re: Champion des Champignons]
    #993353 - 10/25/02 07:01 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

It looks to me like you have some bonified white ones there but they are note white but just sun dried. Then you also have some other species which had the white gills, those arent liberty caps, at least thats my take on it


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Re: White Liberty cap ! ! what else could it be? [Re: SalviaEngland]
    #994100 - 10/26/02 12:48 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

They are just sterile. I usually leave them though, no need to be greedy pover a strange looking liberty capp since so many good ones are there. But they are harmles. Just not so good looking with their sterile no chocholate-brown sproe deposits.

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