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Niffla



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How superior is shrooms/acid to something like 2-ce?
#9918990 - 03/05/09 07:12 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Just wondering, because honestly I really had no idea what 2-ce (or any of these other 2-c's for that matter)even was until today. There seems to be very little info on it around. Among the 2-c's though (could be wrong however)it seems to be the nearest in comparison to LSD for instance.
Erowid is very brief on it. Anybody have any experiences? I don't even know if I'm interested in trying it. More or less just curious...
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Re: How superior is shrooms/acid to something like 2-ce? [Re: Niffla]
#9918994 - 03/05/09 07:14 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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never done it but from reading some info on it its like a cross mix of lsd and MDMA.
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Niffla



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Re: How superior is shrooms/acid to something like 2-ce? [Re: RussianScholar]
#9919044 - 03/05/09 07:21 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hmmm. Sounds like a man made version of mescaline then, I would guess. Because my lone experience with mescaline reminded me very much of a cross between LSD and MDMA as well.
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Re: How superior is shrooms/acid to something like 2-ce? [Re: RussianScholar]
#9919076 - 03/05/09 07:26 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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reminds me of mescaline and lsd the most.
In my weird world lsd is just about as superior as it gets.
Really though, its all up to you.
These research chems are not exactly inferior in a broad sense.
psychedelics.
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Niffla



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Re: How superior is shrooms/acid to something like 2-ce? [Re: yageman]
#9919187 - 03/05/09 07:42 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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yageman said:In my weird world lsd is just about as superior as it gets.
True enough though on how it just really depends on the person. Different psychs for different needs.
But I'm with ya, yageman. In my world it's hard for me to fathom a psych topping LSD.
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Re: How superior is shrooms/acid to something like 2-ce? [Re: Niffla]
#9919215 - 03/05/09 07:46 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Niffla said:
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yageman said:In my weird world lsd is just about as superior as it gets.
True enough though on how it just really depends on the person. Different psychs for different needs.
But I'm with ya, yageman. In my world it's hard for me to fathom a psych topping LSD.
It really does just depend on how you like them. There are people who like mdma a lot more than lsd.
Different psychs for different people, man.
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Re: How superior is shrooms/acid to something like 2-ce? [Re: yageman]
#9919245 - 03/05/09 07:50 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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MDMA is a lot more doable than acid I think.
I could do mdma a few weekends in a row(even though I wouldn't) but I couldn't do acid a few weekend in a row. It's so epic that I couldn't possibly do it so soon again.
Tripping on acid is a major event in my mind whereas mdma is fucking cool but nowhere near as sexual as acid imo.
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Re: How superior is shrooms/acid to something like 2-ce? [Re: Niffla]
#9920215 - 03/05/09 10:30 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Niffla said:
But I'm with ya, yageman. In my world it's hard for me to fathom a psych topping LSD.
DMT maybe? Only from what I have heard though, I haven't had the chance to do it.
But as far as 2-ce or any other 2-something, again i've never done it but any compressed powder pills i am a bit weary of. You never know exactly what you're getting. As far as trip reports I've read on it though: effects are like LSD but nowhere near as strong.
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Re: How superior is shrooms/acid to something like 2-ce? [Re: LobsterSauce]
#9920251 - 03/05/09 10:36 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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However it works for you.
Believe me, im not telling people that they should get jacked up on rc's every day.
One of the greatest trips I have ever had was 7 mgs of 2c-i, 1 gram of shrooms, and a whole lot of acid taken before hand.
It was the only time I tripped at a show with a crowd. The last phish show, coventry.
Im still not sure what happened, but it tore my mind to pieces so I went on a walk(The show sucked, messy and colorful, and I loved every second of it). I blame the 2c-i. I had to take care of some goofy girl while I was there which "complexified" the synchronicity a bit.....lol
There is something very profound about the 2c-x chems. They mesh with lsd very well.
Id use them in very low doses mixed with grand daddy lsd if I ever used them again.
There is something in there. And its pretty beautiful.
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Re: How superior is shrooms/acid to something like 2-ce? [Re: yageman]
#9920259 - 03/05/09 10:37 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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There is nothing superior. Just different.
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Re: How superior is shrooms/acid to something like 2-ce? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#9920287 - 03/05/09 10:43 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Cognitive_Shift said: There is nothing superior. Just different.
Ya, thats kind of what I meant.
Its true, by far.
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Re: How superior is shrooms/acid to something like 2-ce? [Re: Moonraker]
#9920301 - 03/05/09 10:45 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've heard 2c-e can be pretty damn intense. Never done it though.
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Re: How superior is shrooms/acid to something like 2-ce? [Re: wildchild68]
#9920324 - 03/05/09 10:49 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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People always ask me something along the lines of "are mushrooms better or worse than acid/dmt/any psychedelic."
I tell them that they are pretty similar, both have something to offer, although different. Neither are stronger/superior than the other, just different.
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Re: How superior is shrooms/acid to something like 2-ce? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#9920543 - 03/05/09 11:23 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Superior.. In the scietific community mostly, the Superiority or Strength of a compound is dependant on the amount it takes to basically get off.. LSD, needing such a small amount of active chemical(as low as 20ug according to erowid, compared to 2mg for threshold in regard to Psilocybin/Psilocin, and 2-ce/2-ci) to have sensory experience is considered the most Powerful Psychadelic.
As most everyone was saying, psychadelics are very specific and individually experienced by every different person, and even one dose in a trip may be extremly different then the same dose in another trip. Best to feel it out before each experience.
I personally have 1 experience with 2ce, and it was powerfully memorable. I ingested between 12-16mg and experienced full phsychadelic emersion. The experience was very anylitical, and yet unqiely dreamy and mystical(the trip had an extremly WakingLife sense/feeling, as I had seen the movie for the 2nd time a week before) . I would agree and say it was like LSD and MDMA, not exactly mixed together as if seperately taken, but as if 2ce was an actual combination of the two. I had powerful visuals with clear and focused thinking, and a strong sense of wellbeing, with a strange/odd but not negative detatchment (with less connectedness feelings you can get from mushrooms/mdma) It was not a light trip, and lasted a good 7-8 hours with 2-3 of afterglow (which in itself with a little cannibus, was still rather intense, but there was a definate change of headspace.)
All in all, there really isnt any "superior drug" id say either.. Though my advice is to stick with the Ethnogens and stear clear of the Synthetics. Most ethneogens have a great deal of historical use without much for negative side effects. If you are going to use snythetics, do so with full awareness that you are a ginnypig, and are going to let the future generations know what kinds of long term pysiological/psychological effects they have(good/bad).
And as Moonraker was saying, be warry as well of pressed pills. Idono as of now, but some chemical suppliers used to distribute some of the synthetic phenethylamines. Safest bet to go with the makers.
and as a note on DMT, it is by fat the most emmersive experience (when smoked) but is not like regular psychadelics. I havnt experiences an oral dose yet, but it is supposed to be more aliken to mushrooms, with a feminine taste, if mushrooms were considered to have a masculine taste. Anyways. Thats enough entryness. Safe Journeys and Exploring.
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