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Considering going on a no "solid" diet for a month to treat my stomach problems. Thoughts?
    #9919400 - 03/05/09 08:11 PM (15 years, 17 days ago)

I've been experimenting with treating my stomach to different methods of eating to try to alleviate my really ultra bad stomach problems. And yes it sucks like insane to have to control my diet so much.

So far my findings have been:

I've cut out gluten and discovered that I can't tolerate any amount and must avoid products that share lines with stuff made with wheat. Unfortunately ALL gluten free substitutes suck so pretty much everything that has gluten I can't have (because I don't like the substitutes)

I can't tolerate lactose OR casein in dairy and can't have any of that without SEVERE consequences.

Peanuts make me sick and choke.

Corn kills my intestines in all forms but I'm not sure if cross contamination is possible or not.

Sugary fruits like apples and oranges make my stomach BURN.

Bulky fibrous foods, even yams and brown rice hurt my stomach and I need to be sparing with them. I even started eating these for three months and tried to alter other aspects of my diet while at the same time experiencing horrible stomach distension, burning, and tearing feelings along with lethargy until four days after I cut them out.


So usually what I do is eat mainly meat (commonly either top round london broil or chicken legs and thighs), salad greens (usually just a freezer pack of spinach) and less commonly I'll have simple things like strawberries or sashimi. Then when I feel like I need carbohydrates to replenish glycogen I'll take down a few garnet yams (probably one of my favorite foods) and a pile of rice along with some allergen safe buffet food from Whole Foods (probably the only prepared foods I can eat for "cheap").

Last year I was doing the same thing but ran into problems related mainly to indigestion of the above starches. Like only 70% would be digested and the rest would give me hell which is why I would try to keep it to one day and attempt to keep the meals evenly distributed but still I would deal with a lot of pain. So last year I decided to forgo the starches and use either soy or coconut ice cream instead and even at one point discovered these mackerel from Korea that were coated with sugar that worked perfectly as a "recharge". I think the mackerel worked better because even the ice cream would mildly irritate my stomach while the mackerel did nothing and I could eat that more frequently without problems. But they don't sell that mackerel over here so I'd have to go with the ice cream!! Which isn't so bad considering how awesome it is.

Anyway the point of this topic is to ask what are your thoughts. I've tried many many things but my intestines refuse to comply unless I keep it simple and keep the fiber up but not too high because when I do things just get bad. Last year from what I remember all of my stomach problems cleared up by doing this but of course I kept no records and am not sure if there were other factors. And I'm looking for support too because it's a real bitch to have to pay so much attention to your food and have to suffer from days to weeks when you screw up. Yeah it really sucks, but if I can get things in order like this everything should be good. But then again it's a bitch to follow such a limited diet and I'll need encouragement to help me stay away from my beloved garnet yams.


BTW I've seen doctors and they just diagnosed me with IBS and told me to "go with your gut" (pricks!)


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Re: Considering going on a no "solid" diet for a month to treat my stomach problems. Thoughts? [Re: PyroBurns]
    #9921369 - 03/06/09 05:55 AM (15 years, 16 days ago)

I could see lots of green smoothies helping to sooth your GI tract.  Greens especially, and non starchy veggies in general help with the digestion of anything, so just make sure to include them in every meal and digestion will be better.  Furthermore, greens release bicarbonate when they get digested, combating acid reflux etc.


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Re: Considering going on a no "solid" diet for a month to treat my stomach problems. Thoughts? [Re: PyroBurns]
    #9922673 - 03/06/09 12:31 PM (15 years, 16 days ago)

Try a raw greens smoothie at least twice a day. Greens and veggies are not the same thing exactly. Keep it to the green leaves. Parsley, kale, chard, celery, beet tops, carrot tops, etc. If you need sweetness to drink it add an apple or other non starchy fruit and maybe a little stevia. For the liquid part I use herb teas.  These are great for any kind of healing. Don't put in too much water or tea, keep it kinda thick but not too much. You will need a high power mixer like a VitaMix. Then instead of drinking each mouthful chew it and mix it with your saliva. Just watch and see.

Don't over eat also. And marshmallow tea should be soothing to your stomach.


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Re: Considering going on a no "solid" diet for a month to treat my stomach problems. Thoughts? [Re: Icelander]
    #9928926 - 03/07/09 03:01 PM (15 years, 15 days ago)

Improve Athletic Performance and Heal Wounds with Honey?

Primarily honey has been used as an energy source, but recent research has examined the use of honey as an ergogenic aid (a food or ingredient that helps an athlete's performance) and wound healing agent, both of which were once considered merely age-old anecdotes.

In the time of the ancient Olympics, athletes were reported to eat special foods, such as honey and dried figs, to enhance their sports performance. Recently, however, one group of researchers has investigated the use of honey as an ergogenic aid in athletes. The study involved a group of 39 weight-trained athletes, both male and female. Subjects underwent an intensive weight-lifting workout and then immediately consumed a protein supplement blended with either sugar, maltodextrin or honey as the carbohydrate source. The honey group maintained optimal blood sugar levels throughout the two hours following the workout. In addition, muscle recuperation and glycogen restoration (carbohydrates stored in muscle) was favorable in those individuals consuming the honey-protein combination.

Sustaining favorable blood sugar concentrations after endurance training by ingesting carbohydrates before, during and after training is important for maintaining muscle glycogen stores (glycogen is the form in which sugar is stored in muscle as ready-to-use fuel), so that muscle recuperation is more efficient and the athlete is ready to perform again at their highest level the next day. The best-studied ergogenic aid is carbohydrates because they are necessary for maintaining muscle glycogen stores. For now, honey appears to be just another source of carbohydrates that can help athletes perform at their best, rather than a superior choice over any other carbohydrate.



I might go with raw honey rather than ice cream all the time. We'll see.


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Re: Considering going on a no "solid" diet for a month to treat my stomach problems. Thoughts? [Re: PyroBurns]
    #9929474 - 03/07/09 05:14 PM (15 years, 15 days ago)

I eat mad amounts of local honey in tea and straight. I am addicted.


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Re: Considering going on a no "solid" diet for a month to treat my stomach problems. Thoughts? [Re: whattheheck]
    #9945382 - 03/10/09 12:01 PM (15 years, 12 days ago)

http://www.reallyrawhoney.com/healthfacts.php

Today is my first honey day and I'm excited. I'm taking it in two doses (LARGE amounts poured in .75 (1.5 total) liters of earl grey tea) and will see how it goes. I just drank the first bottle and it was sooo tasty and while my stomach felt "too full" at first it's feeling a little better. Hopefully this will take care of that god awful inflammation I've been dealing with lately and replenish my muscles from ~42 miles of running between 5 days, climbing a small mountain, and a pretty intense workout today.

While I'm a bit sad to give up starches, at least for now, I'm really finally getting behind the idea that it's something that I have to do. My stomach health has been very poor, and I can't keep letting it go or I'm probably going to start facing some serious consequences. Now I'm fully behind and exited about the idea of being 100% intent on doing what I got to do, and can't wait to see how things improve.

I'll definitely update this with some kind of write up in a month. So far it's barely even 5 days in.


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Re: Considering going on a no "solid" diet for a month to treat my stomach problems. Thoughts? [Re: PyroBurns]
    #9945514 - 03/10/09 12:26 PM (15 years, 12 days ago)

i just got 2 jars of this stuff in today.  so crazy that you mentioned it.  when i opened the jar i was like, "WTF is this shit?".

then i tasted that sweet goodness.  i'm hooked already.

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Re: Considering going on a no "solid" diet for a month to treat my stomach problems. Thoughts? [Re: norml840]
    #9946075 - 03/10/09 02:17 PM (15 years, 12 days ago)

Raw honey is awesome!!!!!! :drooling:


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Re: Considering going on a no "solid" diet for a month to treat my stomach problems. Thoughts? [Re: whattheheck]
    #9946815 - 03/10/09 04:26 PM (15 years, 12 days ago)

Try and find "raw" honeys that are not heated. Many are heated to 98 degrees and still considered raw. You can taste the difference IMO. One tastes like heaven and the other like crystalized sugar.


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Re: Considering going on a no "solid" diet for a month to treat my stomach problems. Thoughts? [Re: Icelander]
    #9947998 - 03/10/09 07:56 PM (15 years, 12 days ago)

I don't know if the honey is helping or hurting but so far:

Lots of gas
Lots of bathroom visits
Migraine (cured with dr00gz)


Either it's cleaning me out or killing me! Oh well we'll see in 10 days.


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Re: Considering going on a no "solid" diet for a month to treat my stomach problems. Thoughts? [Re: PyroBurns]
    #9948325 - 03/10/09 08:47 PM (15 years, 12 days ago)

Too much honey fucks up my stomach BIG time.

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Re: Considering going on a no "solid" diet for a month to treat my stomach problems. Thoughts? [Re: Icelander]
    #9948550 - 03/10/09 09:29 PM (15 years, 12 days ago)

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Try and find "raw" honeys that are not heated. Many are heated to 98 degrees and still considered raw. You can taste the difference IMO. One tastes like heaven and the other like crystalized sugar.





this is the honey i speak of.  it's not been heated at all or filtered.  it's got bits of the comb, pollen, and propylis(<---spelling?) in it.  it's completely opaque.  it's off white/tan in color.  tastes delicious.

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Re: Considering going on a no "solid" diet for a month to treat my stomach problems. Thoughts? [Re: norml840]
    #9951242 - 03/11/09 11:49 AM (15 years, 11 days ago)

Yeah.:thumbup: That stuff's the shit.


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Re: Considering going on a no "solid" diet for a month to treat my stomach problems. Thoughts? [Re: Icelander]
    #10250426 - 04/28/09 04:14 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I was doing very well but then I broke my string the other day. I couldn't help it! I just had to try some new Filipino desserts and then ended up eating sweet potatoes later.

I felt like shit for a couple of days but it went away and now I'm at a crossroads. I don't know if I should continue off of starches or just let myself have moderate amounts from time to time. My stomach is fucking stupid and I hate it. I notice when I have to digest harder to digest things like that I get really sleepy and cranky because I think most of my bodies focus goes to my stomach and it goes berserk trying to break all that down. When I keep to meat, veggies, nuts, and raw honey this doesn't happen. My energy is stable, my stomach feels okay, I'm regular, and my stomach doesn't bloat. But as soon as I eat the smallest sweet potato cube all hell breaks loose. It's torture especially because I want to start experimenting with taro root (making poi, and sweet bean desserts) but I'm not ready for the upset stomach and sustained feeling bad.

I feel so lost and helpless when it comes to my digestion. And yes this is a source of dysphoria for me. I hate how the worst that can happen for other people is maybe some gas the next day, but the least that can happen to me is gas, indigestion, poor energy, and bloating for three or four days. And sometimes that can work into weeks. It's torture! Especially since I can never have pizza ever again.


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Re: Considering going on a no "solid" diet for a month to treat my stomach problems. Thoughts? [Re: PyroBurns]
    #10250968 - 04/28/09 05:34 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

No pizza....that is tragic!

Could you just douse some pepperoni in tomato sauce and oregano and call it good? heh

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Re: Considering going on a no "solid" diet for a month to treat my stomach problems. Thoughts? [Re: adrug]
    #10251007 - 04/28/09 05:43 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

That's actually what I resort to. Just something dipped in marinara and maybe olive oil with some toasted rosemary.

It kind of satisfies the taste aspect but nothing else. Nothing like getting stoned, plopping down on a couch, ordering pizza, and gorging on a giant slab of doughy bread covered in Italian shit, stringy cheese, and a bit of garlic butter for good measure. I don't get to do that. :sad:

There is gluten free BBQ chicken pizza I can get from Garlic Jim's but it isn't the same and definitely not worth $24 for a fucking medium. Then of course there is the stomach problems that follow that for the next week.


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Re: Considering going on a no "solid" diet for a month to treat my stomach problems. Thoughts? [Re: PyroBurns]
    #10254649 - 04/29/09 09:04 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

have you thought of going to see an ayurvedic doctor?  they may be able to help.  they will find the cause instead of treat the symptoms.

i read somewhere that allergies are due to a buildup of toxins in the bodyand the ayurvedic doctor can give you herbs and other ways to detoxify including diet/lifestyle suggestions.  good luck

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Re: Considering going on a no "solid" diet for a month to treat my stomach problems. Thoughts? [Re: PyroBurns]
    #10254670 - 04/29/09 09:13 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Have you thought about doing green smoothies for a month?

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Re: Considering going on a no "solid" diet for a month to treat my stomach problems. Thoughts? [Re: MOTH]
    #10255694 - 04/29/09 12:41 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Instead of doing some bullshit honey drink why don't you cut out the meat and start eating raw greens.

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Re: Considering going on a no "solid" diet for a month to treat my stomach problems. Thoughts? [Re: PyroBurns]
    #10255932 - 04/29/09 01:26 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Have you ever had an endoscopy?

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Re: Considering going on a no "solid" diet for a month to treat my stomach problems. Thoughts? [Re: neuro]
    #10256051 - 04/29/09 01:42 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

No to all the above.

By cutting out meat and living off of greens and green smoothies I would starve to death seeing as that's my main source of calories. Meat is like my main sustenance and I don't feel good when I don't have it. I tried substituting meat with hemp seeds once for three days and I felt like absolute shit.


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Re: Considering going on a no "solid" diet for a month to treat my stomach problems. Thoughts? [Re: PyroBurns]
    #10256547 - 04/29/09 03:13 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

it's totally against my common sense that you can digest meat but all those other, more easily digestable foods, you can't digest.  you should get the book Apple Cider Vinegar by the Bragg fanatics.  the stuff really works.  the fact that you are getting sick when you eat good food is probably just the toxins getting out of your body from eating so much meat for so long.  just my 2cents.  unless of course you have an ulcer or something, or are allergic.  but the apple cider vinegar will help all of that.  just make sure to get the Raw kind by Bragg.

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Re: Considering going on a no "solid" diet for a month to treat my stomach problems. Thoughts? [Re: sleepy]
    #10256675 - 04/29/09 03:34 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I've tried apple cider vinegar and it's okay. Though I haven't had any for the past two weeks.

And I'm as vexed as you. I can swallow a sinewy chunk of meat as big as a golf ball but if I eat the same amount of rice I get gassy. Though I don't believe in detoxing nor do I believe rice or even quinoa is making me feel sick because it's trying to detox me. It just makes me feel like shit plain and simple. Almost all of my immediate family suffers from IBS so I guess that's why.


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Re: Considering going on a no "solid" diet for a month to treat my stomach problems. Thoughts? [Re: PyroBurns]
    #10257348 - 04/29/09 05:44 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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No to all the above.

By cutting out meat and living off of greens and green smoothies I would starve to death seeing as that's my main source of calories. Meat is like my main sustenance and I don't feel good when I don't have it. I tried substituting meat with hemp seeds once for three days and I felt like absolute shit.




Thats your body getting over the meat addicition, ride it out for acouple days believe me you wont starve to death lol. Your stomach is never gonna get healthy untill you kick that meat, keep telling yourself thats not the problem

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Re: Considering going on a no "solid" diet for a month to treat my stomach problems. Thoughts? [Re: Andre Nickatina]
    #10257947 - 04/29/09 07:33 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I don't see why you think meat is unhealthy anyway. Do you care to provide any non-easily debunkable or faulty studies giving reason?

Meat doesn't just rot in your stomach. I know so, because I do pretty well if I stay away from the starches. When I eat those, only then do I get constipated.


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Re: Considering going on a no "solid" diet for a month to treat my stomach problems. Thoughts? [Re: PyroBurns]
    #10261473 - 04/30/09 09:47 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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I don't see why you think meat is unhealthy anyway. Do you care to provide any non-easily debunkable or faulty studies giving reason?

Meat doesn't just rot in your stomach. I know so, because I do pretty well if I stay away from the starches. When I eat those, only then do I get constipated.





You want my studies? its called history buddie, people were the most healthy when they were eating very little or no meat. You don't know anything, just because you can eat meat and do pretty well doesn't mean everythings all good. You clearly have some problems with your body, why not try it? Give it a month and you'll be feeling better then ever

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Re: Considering going on a no "solid" diet for a month to treat my stomach problems. Thoughts? [Re: Andre Nickatina]
    #10261500 - 04/30/09 09:52 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Carcinogenic Compounds in Cooked Meat

Heterocyclic Amines
HCAs, a family of mutagenic compounds, are produced during the cooking process of many animal products, including chicken, beef, pork, and fish. Even meat that is cooked under normal grilling, frying, or oven-broiling may contain significant quantities of these mutagens.6,7,8 The longer and hotter the meat is cooked, the more these compounds form. In some studies, grilled chicken has formed higher concentrations of these cancer-causing substances than other types of cooked meat.9

The major classes of heterocyclic amines include amino-imidazo-quinolines, or amino-imidazo-quinoxalines (collectively called IQ-type compounds), and amino-imidazo-pyridines such as PhIP. IQ-type compounds and PhIP are formed from creatine or creatinine, specific amino acids, and sugars.10 All meats (including fish) are high in creatine, and HCA formation is greatest when cooking meat at high temperatures, as is most common with grilling or frying. Consumption of well-done meat and PhIP has been associated with increased risk of breast cancer and colon cancer, as discussed in greater detail below. A recent case-control study at the University of Utah that included 952 subjects with rectal cancer and 1205 controls found that men and women with the highest consumption of processed or well-cooked meat had an increased risk of rectal cancer.11

Heres a study for you, this is just one of many

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Re: Considering going on a no "solid" diet for a month to treat my stomach problems. Thoughts? [Re: Andre Nickatina]
    #10261526 - 04/30/09 09:58 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I see what you're saying but I seem to be doing fine if I stay away from those starches. At least mostly. My last post was basically bitching about the fact that my intestines were going to be messed up for the next week simply from trying some kuih muih.


But in history it appears in my view that humans were healthiest when they ate gobs of meat. Look at the pastoral Africans. Or some of the Nords. Even some American Indians.

When grains or starch became the main focus health supposedly declined. Look at the agricultural Africans, Pacific Islanders, Europeans, and even many Asians. I would say while many Asians might have so-so internal health they can often be pretty scrawny and weak. I know many Japanese who eat authentic Japanese food and they don't seem to be in such golden health as media hypes them out to be. Yeah they do better than Standard Americans but who doesn't?

To be honest I wouldn't mind testing out going veg for two weeks but I'd like to really know what I'm doing before diving into that. And I would not like to switch my main source of sustenance to grains because that would be so ass backwards. Meat makes me feel fine, grains make me sick, so why switch from meat to grains?


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Re: Considering going on a no "solid" diet for a month to treat my stomach problems. Thoughts? [Re: Andre Nickatina]
    #10261534 - 04/30/09 10:01 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

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Carcinogenic Compounds in Cooked Meat

Heterocyclic Amines
HCAs, a family of mutagenic compounds, are produced during the cooking process of many animal products, including chicken, beef, pork, and fish. Even meat that is cooked under normal grilling, frying, or oven-broiling may contain significant quantities of these mutagens.6,7,8 The longer and hotter the meat is cooked, the more these compounds form. In some studies, grilled chicken has formed higher concentrations of these cancer-causing substances than other types of cooked meat.9

The major classes of heterocyclic amines include amino-imidazo-quinolines, or amino-imidazo-quinoxalines (collectively called IQ-type compounds), and amino-imidazo-pyridines such as PhIP. IQ-type compounds and PhIP are formed from creatine or creatinine, specific amino acids, and sugars.10 All meats (including fish) are high in creatine, and HCA formation is greatest when cooking meat at high temperatures, as is most common with grilling or frying. Consumption of well-done meat and PhIP has been associated with increased risk of breast cancer and colon cancer, as discussed in greater detail below. A recent case-control study at the University of Utah that included 952 subjects with rectal cancer and 1205 controls found that men and women with the highest consumption of processed or well-cooked meat had an increased risk of rectal cancer.11

Heres a study for you, this is just one of many




I barely cook any of my meat except for chicken.


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