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 ZippoZ
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 I used to be an intellectual drug user 
#9915549 - 03/05/09 09:27 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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For a while i was an intellectual drug user. It was how i defined myself, and was a fairly good description of my day to day lifestyle, life, etc..... and one of the things that an intellectual drug user does, is get high, trip, etc, and debate the interesting questions that life has posed upon us.
time and time again I would delve into these subjects with friends and foes alike. time and time again we would end up with no answer, the same answer, a different answer..... but they never stuck. the answers never felt fulfilling, or complete. So time and time again we would ask the questions throughout our same old routine.....
and i suppose that eventually just got old. the questions died out in some ways. i mean, they are still there, but after a long enough time, they just stop getting asked. At a certain point, you dont even care any more. At a certain point, i suppose that i just stopped asking the questions out of futility. I knew that there would be no answer that would satisfy my curious and questioning nature....
Not to say that there was no answer for the greater quesions of life, the universe, and everything... but that sadly it seemed that the answers either did not exist, and my attempts to question them were some sort of cozmic joke, or that the answers that i sook, seeked? were firmly out of my grasp, or far more likely my ability to understand.
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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"
"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."
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Re: I used to be an intellectual drug user [Re: ZippoZ]
#9915560 - 03/05/09 09:30 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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What questions still linger?
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Re: I used to be an intellectual drug user [Re: ZippoZ]
#9915564 - 03/05/09 09:32 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Capatalistc nomad said:
Not to say that there was no answer for the greater quesions of life, the universe, and everything... but that sadly it seemed that the answers either did not exist, and my attempts to question them were some sort of cozmic joke, or that the answers that i sook, seeked? were firmly out of my grasp, or far more likely my ability to understand.
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Re: I used to be an intellectual drug user [Re: AmericanPsycho]
#9915577 - 03/05/09 09:34 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: I used to be an intellectual drug user [Re: ZippoZ]
#9915584 - 03/05/09 09:36 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ken Kesey said:
The answer is never the answer. What's really interesting is the mystery. If you seek the mystery instead of the answer, you'll always be seeking. I've never seen anybody really find the answer-- they think they have, so they stop thinking. But the job is to seek mystery, evoke mystery, plant a garden in which strange plants grow and mysteries bloom. The need for mystery is greater than the need for an answer.
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Re: I used to be an intellectual drug user [Re: idiotek]
#9915593 - 03/05/09 09:39 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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1d10t3k said:
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Ken Kesey said:
The answer is never the answer. What's really interesting is the mystery. If you seek the mystery instead of the answer, you'll always be seeking. I've never seen anybody really find the answer-- they think they have, so they stop thinking. But the job is to seek mystery, evoke mystery, plant a garden in which strange plants grow and mysteries bloom. The need for mystery is greater than the need for an answer.
For sure.
Its about what you learn along the way about yourself that makes everything worth it.
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Re: I used to be an intellectual drug user [Re: ZippoZ]
#9915596 - 03/05/09 09:40 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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There is no answer to any of it. That's why they made such a big joke out of it in "The Hitchhiker's Guid To the Galaxy"
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Re: I used to be an intellectual drug user [Re: AmericanPsycho]
#9915603 - 03/05/09 09:41 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Theirs a difference to saying the answer isn't attainable to us right now and flat out saying their isn't an answer.
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Re: I used to be an intellectual drug user [Re: ZippoZ]
#9915606 - 03/05/09 09:42 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Drugs never have, and never will have "answers".
They only prompt you into asking the questions. If you take drugs to find answers you are looking in the entirely wrong place.
The only thing drugs can do is make you reconsider the questions.
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Re: I used to be an intellectual drug user [Re: ZippoZ]
#9915650 - 03/05/09 09:53 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I totally feel you on this post.
I consider myself an agnostic because of asking question after question my whole life. My Mom thinks it is just awful, having made me go to church every Sunday morning and night, plus Wednesday night every week until I was eighteen.
I always asked my folks questions, because I always found certain things very hard to accept.
One of these questions has to do with the possibilty of eternal life. That is, how could existance never cease? Everyone up in the clouds the next day, and the next day, and the next day....is it almost like a bad trip to imagine the possibility of that.
Anyway agnosticism is great for me, because it allows me to drop so much mental baggage that has been passed down to me from previous generations. I like to think that I am a totally logical thinker, because I refuse to be influenced by things that demand an element of faith.
I do not think that science and faith-based religions go hand in hand at all. The rules of science are that one must hypothesize a theory, then research and experiment in order to prove or disprove that theory. If I respect that this formula is the only way to prove anything, then why would I totally disregard these principles and believe something just because. If I were accept a "religion," it would have to be something like Buddhism, where the goal of such would be to fellowship with people of like-mind, or to try and better myself by gaining a better understanding of the human condition from an ethical perspective.
It is rare to find anyone willing to have the kind of talks that people like you and me used to have in our younger days. Even the most open-minded of my friends usually get frustrated or bored with a "trippy" topic, having to do with the unknown aspects of our universe.
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Re: I used to be an intellectual drug user [Re: AmericanPsycho]
#9915671 - 03/05/09 09:58 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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AmericanPsycho said:
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Capatalistc nomad said:
Not to say that there was no answer for the greater quesions of life, the universe, and everything... but that sadly it seemed that the answers either did not exist, and my attempts to question them were some sort of cozmic joke, or that the answers that i sook, seeked? were firmly out of my grasp, or far more likely my ability to understand.
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You beat me to it.
I don't worry too much about answers. What can you do with an answer? Put it on your refridgerator?
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Re: I used to be an intellectual drug user [Re: ZippoZ]
#9915676 - 03/05/09 09:59 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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These humans have been searching for answers for 10,000 years. You think you have a chance?
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ZippoZ
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Re: I used to be an intellectual drug user [Re: SvampViking]
#9915677 - 03/05/09 10:01 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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for the record, the last paragraph was meant to allude to the hitchhikers guide intentionally.
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zippoz
"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"
"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."
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Re: I used to be an intellectual drug user [Re: ZippoZ]
#9915681 - 03/05/09 10:03 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I thought so.
So, what tools do you have at your disposal to try to find these answers?
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Re: I used to be an intellectual drug user [Re: ZippoZ]
#9915696 - 03/05/09 10:06 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Still makes for a good evenings conversation and learning peoples inner most philosophies.
I know what you mean though, after a while you just don't ask the questions as much anymore.
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Re: I used to be an intellectual drug user [Re: ZippoZ]
#9915733 - 03/05/09 10:15 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I can really relate to your predicament,man. I have the same "problem".I consider myself a seeker,I revel in the questions about the nature of the mind and the universe.It's all we talk about in my group of tripping'n'smokin friends...but I often think I'm just deluding myself even more.
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Capatalistc nomad said:
..sadly it seemed that the answers either did not exist, and my attempts to question them were some sort of cozmic joke, or that the answers that i sook, seeked? were firmly out of my grasp, or far more likely my ability to understand.
See,I think you've got your answer right there. We do not,and probably can not know "the Truth".Its doubtful that there even is a truth with a capital T. The universal insecurity about the fundamentals of our existence is what makes the human predicament.If there is anything setting us apart from other mammals that is it. Not knowing who,what and where we are,and the (perhaps totally in vane) search for answers is what makes homo sapiens,human. We ARE the question,when we answer it in a satisfactory manner we cease to be human and progress(or possibly regress) to the next(last) level.
Heh,not much help I know As you can tell I'm pretty confused myself. I'll leave you with an inspirational quote from a senior seeker,one T.Leary;
"Throughout human history, as our species has faced the frightening,
terrorizing fact that we do not know who we are, or where we are going in
this ocean of chaos, it has been the authorities, the political, the
religious, the educational authorities who attempted to comfort us by
giving us order, rules, regulations, informing, forming in our minds their view of reality.
To think for yourself you must question authority and learn how to put yourself in a state of vulnerable, open-mindedness;chaotic, confused, vulnerability to inform yourself."
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Re: I used to be an intellectual drug user [Re: ZippoZ]
#9915862 - 03/05/09 10:44 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Capatalistc nomad said: or that the answers that i sook, seeked?
Sought.
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Re: I used to be an intellectual drug user [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#9915883 - 03/05/09 10:48 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Baby_Hitler said:
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Capatalistc nomad said: or that the answers that i sook, seeked?
Sought.
Grr you beat me to it 
But I definitely understand the OP.
I think that realizing so much is unanswerable is as important as having sought the answers in the first place.
Living in the eternal dance of te unknown FTW
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Re: I used to be an intellectual drug user [Re: ZippoZ]
#9916047 - 03/05/09 11:30 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Capatalistc nomad said:
For a while i was an intellectual drug user. It was how i defined myself, and was a fairly good description of my day to day lifestyle, life, etc..... and one of the things that an intellectual drug user does, is get high, trip, etc, and debate the interesting questions that life has posed upon us.
time and time again I would delve into these subjects with friends and foes alike. time and time again we would end up with no answer, the same answer, a different answer..... but they never stuck. the answers never felt fulfilling, or complete. So time and time again we would ask the questions throughout our same old routine.....
and i suppose that eventually just got old. the questions died out in some ways. i mean, they are still there, but after a long enough time, they just stop getting asked. At a certain point, you dont even care any more. At a certain point, i suppose that i just stopped asking the questions out of futility. I knew that there would be no answer that would satisfy my curious and questioning nature....
Not to say that there was no answer for the greater quesions of life, the universe, and everything... but that sadly it seemed that the answers either did not exist, and my attempts to question them were some sort of cozmic joke, or that the answers that i sook, seeked? were firmly out of my grasp, or far more likely my ability to understand.
Gorgias may be able to help:
1. Nothing exists.
2. Even if something exists, nothing can be known about it.
3. Even if something can be known about it, knowledge about it can't be communicated to others.
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Re: I used to be an intellectual drug user [Re: idiotek]
#9916627 - 03/05/09 01:10 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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1d10t3k said:
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Ken Kesey said:
The answer is never the answer. What's really interesting is the mystery. If you seek the mystery instead of the answer, you'll always be seeking. I've never seen anybody really find the answer-- they think they have, so they stop thinking. But the job is to seek mystery, evoke mystery, plant a garden in which strange plants grow and mysteries bloom. The need for mystery is greater than the need for an answer.
true above.
i don't really trip anymore, but before i quit i was pretty much just on a search for strange energy.
i think i got more "answers" than i cared to get, and filtering through the delusions was tiring.
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