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Cowboys Cut TO
#9915001 - 03/05/09 05:18 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Wow, what a loser. If even Jerry Jones won't put up with you...
He won't have trouble finding another job though...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3953647
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The Dallas Cowboys have released controversial wide receiver Terrell Owens, sources told ESPN's Michael Smith late Wednesday.
Cowboys owner Jerry Jones has spent most of the offseason providing vague quotes indicating Terrell Owens would return. Here are five reasons he didn't bring him back from Matt Mosley. Blog
In late February, Cowboys owner Jerry Jones did not deny the team was discussing the possible release of Owens. Owens' future was brought up again in meetings at Valley Ranch on Wednesday, but Jones had not made a final decision when most people left the building, a source told ESPN.com's Matt Mosley.
"There are several decisions on our roster we have to look at," Jones said in February. "This is the time of year we do that. I'm not trying to be trite, but as you all know we're evaluating players in college, we're evaluating free agents and we're evaluating our own roster. This is an ongoing thing, not any different than this time last year."
The team did not immediately have a comment. A spokesman for Owens said he hadn't heard the news, and that the receiver was traveling and could not immediately be reached, the Associated Press reported.
The Cowboys paid Owens a $12 million signing bonus just last year, included as part of a new four-year, $34 million deal. Dallas will take a roughly $9 million salary cap hit with the release of Owens.
There has been talk since the end of the Cowboys' 9-7 season, in which they missed the playoffs, that they would consider cutting Owens to improve locker room morale.
Not only did Owens have relationship issues with quarterback Tony Romo and tight end Jason Witten, but the receiver consistently criticized offensive coordinator Jason Garrett's play calling and his offensive schemes to the point that sources have said Garrett did not believe they could coexist.
While the Cowboys were trying to downplay a possible rift between Owens and Witten during the season, the two reportedly came close to blows in mid-December.
An incident occurred at the Cowboys' training facility when Witten tried to engage Owens in a conversation about a pass route. Owens told Witten to stay away from him and called him a name. The two exchanged words before being separated.
The confrontation came a day after a source told ESPN that Owens believed Romo and Witten -- close friends and road roommates -- hold private meetings and create plays without including Owens. Replacing T.O.
With Terrell Owens' ouster, Roy Williams will be the Cowboys' No. 1 wide receiver. A look at Owens' averages during his Dallas career vs. Williams' only 1,000-yard season shows Williams will have to be excellent to match Owens' consistency.
While Romo also will be without the recipient of most his touchdown passes, he also will no longer have to make sure T.O. has enough passes his way to make him happy. Whether that was perception or reality will no longer matter either.
The Cowboys went 31-17 in Owens' three seasons, but 0-2 in the playoffs.
Jones essentially forced Owens on then-coach Bill Parcells, a relationship underscored by Parcells referring to Owens as "the player." Owens drew attention to himself during training camp by dressing up as a pro cyclist while riding a stationary bike, then had an accidental overdose early that season.
"You've gotta realize than Bill bought into Terrell joining our team and don't think Terrell didn't come to this team without Bill's blessing," Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said last week. "He wanted to win and use the talents of Terrell as much as anyone in this organization ... the entire time Bill was coach they never spoke."
Yet when Parcells turned to unproven Romo midway through that season, Owens sparkled. They kept it up the next season, leading the Cowboys to all sorts of club records on their way to a 13-3 season and a division title. The Cowboys lost their first playoff game, days after Romo and others went on a trip to Mexico, and Owens tearfully defended Romo, saying, "That's my quarterback."
Where might he end up next?
He's not likely to return to San Francisco or Philadelphia, the other places he wore out his welcome. Then again, it seemed unlikely he would come to Dallas after having offended Cowboys fans by celebrating on the team's star logo while playing for the 49ers.
Don't expect him in Miami, not as long as Parcells is in charge. And perhaps also count out Kansas City because new coach Todd Haley and Owens hardly got along when Haley was Dallas' offensive coordinator.
The Cowboys should still have a potent passing game, at least if receiver Roy Williams can live up to his big contract and the two draft picks Dallas gave up to get him from Detroit. Romo also still has his favorite target in Witten.
Over three years with the Cowboys, Owens caught 235 passes for 3,587 yards and 38 touchdowns in 47 games. He led the NFL with 13 TDs receiving in 2006, his first season in Dallas.
Over his 13-year career, he's a five-time All-Pro and ranks second in career touchdowns, fifth in career yards receiving and sixth in career receptions. He turned 35 in December, but remains a physical specimen.
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What team is going to want him? Though I'm sure someone will sign him. Everywhere he has played he has caused huge rifts that no matter his production teams get rid of him. I hope Roy Williams will step it up and Jerry Jones is right about the team morale being better when he's gone. Time for T.O. to go mess up another franchise and make life hell for the quarterback and offensive coordinator.
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Re: Cowboys Cut TO [Re: mr.bixby]
#9915286 - 03/05/09 07:49 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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man fuck the attitude who cares??? he was fucking good and i am pissed at the cowboys...
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Since they made so much noise in the playoffs with him?
He is a cancer and has made a mess at every stop he has taken.
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a team that sacrifices that much to build up at wide reciever position is a team on the verge of desparation and failure.
just look at the lions.
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Best news of the year. Welcome to the real world, Terrible Owens.
His football career is done. :roast:
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Re: Cowboys Cut TO [Re: 0xYg3n]
#9916561 - 03/05/09 12:57 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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my guess is he'll sign with some desparate team looking for any sign of life.
I'd like to see him sign with the Raiders.
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I think it's a dumb move only because of what we are losing
you not only deplete your WR corps but you also take a 9 million dollar salary cap penalty.
im not sad to see Owens go, I agree he was a cancer to the team, but I wish we could have traded him or something
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you've replaced one dipshit with a less athletic dipshit, Roy Williams.
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YES! ha ha ha ha ha ha - he he he he he he
My room mate is a cowboys fan, yes now i can rip on him all week. TO is a pompous asshole anyways.
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KillerPicklez said: a 9 million dollar salary cap penalty.
Holy shit. That is a big hit. Is it all in one year?
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Re: Cowboys Cut TO [Re: zappaisgod]
#9917974 - 03/05/09 04:08 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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KillerPicklez said: a 9 million dollar salary cap penalty.
Holy shit. That is a big hit. Is it all in one year?
Yep, and it's more than 9.5, really.
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Owens will count $8.995 million against the Cowboys’ 2009 salary cap if he’s on the team. If he’s not on the team, $6.45 million in future bonus proration hits the 2009 cap, in addition to the 2009 proration of $3.225 million. The so-called “dead money” would be $9.675 million.
That's two decent players worth of money.
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That's my only problem with cutting him
but still beats being a Bears fan
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If Jones would cut him despite that, it's probably going to be a good thing. Get it over with now. I bet the Cowboys make the playoffs next year and win 10 or 11. God, how the Bears could use a good QB and a good defense again. You could do a lot worse than being a Bears fan.
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Re: Cowboys Cut TO [Re: mr.bixby]
#9918684 - 03/05/09 06:18 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oh yeah, Clayton on ESPN said the market for Owens is horrible and probably the only fit would be Oakland. What a great way to finish out a hall of fame career.
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Re: Cowboys Cut TO [Re: mr.bixby]
#9918696 - 03/05/09 06:21 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I will put it this way, id still rather be a Cowboys fan than a Bears fan. They dont have any pieces to make a playoff team
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That's two decent players worth of money.
or 6 James Harrisons'
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KillerPicklez said: I will put it this way, id still rather be a Cowboys fan than a Bears fan. They dont have any pieces to make a playoff team
The Bears are a mess, they had their shot and Grossman ruined it with his wonderful lob pass. Yes the Cowboys are set for awhile, they are an entertaining team to watch a lot of the time and they are in a great division. With Roy Williams having the offseason and pre-season to get in step with Romo, as well as having the pressure off, I like their chances. I think their offense will roll without any major injuries.
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Re: Cowboys Cut TO [Re: mr.bixby]
#9919101 - 03/05/09 07:29 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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It's hard for me to think of a more gifted athlete that has caused such problems. I mean Bonds was an admitted jerk, but that was only one team and some of his team seemed to like him.
But Owens is like a nuclear bomb. I really think that he's got a broken messed up heart and head in a huge body.
I feel bad for him.
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Stephon Marbury?
but I agree. Because hes such a dick face some people tend to forget how great his numbers are. Definitely a hall of famer but a complete asshole
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I don't think Starbury and TO have the same exact issues.
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that's funny, I think they have the exact same issues only Marbury isnt as talented
but then again I have a strong disgust for Marbury
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Don't forget they cut Roy Williams too (the safety.)
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Re: Cowboys Cut TO [Re: jewunit]
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That move was made about a season or two too late. Roy Williams pass coverage has been horrible the past 2-3 years and its about time we parted ways with him. I have nothing negative to say about him as a player, just that he is past his prime. We need a real safety, not another linebacker who can stop the run.
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Roy Williams couldn't play coverage from the minute he stepped into the league. the only reason people talked about him was because of his hits.
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Re: Cowboys Cut TO [Re: Redstorm]
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Looks like T.O is going to be a Buffalo Bill
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So desperate. Already signing a one year deal with the bills.
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Well, he got 12 Million + salary last year. And now he'll get 6.5 Million to play football this year.
I wish I was so desperate
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He is old and washed up. In the world of football, he is most certainly desperate.
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Again, I wish I was so desperate.
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Yeah, being a professional football player is a nice career choice. Even the desperate ones make bank. You wish you were a desperate professional football player
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Yeah. It's better than being a struggling, well, almost anything else. Gotta say that even though it's for a few months, it'll be an interesting move from Dallas to Buffalo. Can't change scenery much more dramatic than that.
I wish him well.
Prediction: TO does great, the Bills do well, and he gets a stupid contract as a 36 year old wideout.
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I dont think T.O is old and washed up at all. Hes just a prick
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TO is now a Buffalo Bill
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KillerPicklez said: I dont think T.O is old and washed up at all. Hes just a prick
 I personally think he is most def old and washed up.
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i would love T.O. on the broncos if we didnt have the best recieving corps already. and wth. id complain to if i had tony homo as a QB. dude is the best Wide out on the team and only had 69 rec? id be mad to. whitten is a TE. he shouldnt be thrown to as much as he has been. That was a bad move on the Cowboys' part. you know the broncos offered tony romo more money but he still signed with the cowboys? thank god
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1000 yards and 10 TDs isn't exactly washed up.
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KillerPicklez said: I dont think T.O is old and washed up at all. Hes just a prick
 I personally think he is most def old and washed up.
His stats say otherwise.
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Re: Cowboys Cut TO [Re: jewunit]
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Yeah cuz he was the main man in the receiving corp. Patrick Crayton was the next closest wide out with 550 yards. When you have a cocky ass hole who always insist on "gimme the ball" that what you have to deal with. He is a washed up old man.
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Yeah, generally when you're the number one wide receiver you get yards and touchdowns. What's your point? He's cocky and an asshole that's the only reason he was the 1? He got 1000 yards and 10 TDs, and I think he's the only player to have 10 TDs the last three seasons or something like that. I don't see how that is washed up at all.
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funny, as a Cowboys fan I thought the problem was that we didnt get him the ball enough
And when its all said and done he will go down as one of the top 5 WR to ever play the game. Statistically
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Cognitive_Shift said: Yeah cuz he was the main man in the receiving corp. Patrick Crayton was the next closest wide out with 550 yards. When you have a cocky ass hole who always insist on "gimme the ball" that what you have to deal with. He is a washed up old man.
Just admit it, you have no idea what you're talking about. Your argument does not reflect reality.
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Re: Cowboys Cut TO [Re: jewunit]
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He causes too many off the field problems, after fighting with mcnabb and then acting like a child on the cowboys. If i was an owner i think his antics and his presence in the football program would not be as beneficial as his on the field performance. I think team chemistry is more important than talent IMO. Thats why i think he is washed up. Just bouncing around from team to team causing an ordeal.
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Cognitive_Shift said: He causes too many off the field problems, after fighting with mcnabb and then acting like a child on the cowboys. If i was an owner i think his antics and his presence in the football program would not be as beneficial as his on the field performance. I think team chemistry is more important than talent IMO. Thats why i think he is washed up. Just bouncing around from team to team causing an ordeal.
All of which has nothing to do with being washed up.
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Cognitive_Shift said: He causes too many off the field problems, after fighting with mcnabb and then acting like a child on the cowboys. If i was an owner i think his antics and his presence in the football program would not be as beneficial as his on the field performance. I think team chemistry is more important than talent IMO. Thats why i think he is washed up. Just bouncing around from team to team causing an ordeal.
All of which has nothing to do with being washed up.
Being able to comprehend syntax helps
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Re: Cowboys Cut TO [Re: jewunit]
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T.O. isn't washed up and can still put up good stats. However it's like he's been outcast to Buffalo and if he got pissed at Romo and the Cowboys offense and it's coordinator, it's going to be a lot of fun to see how he reacts to Buffalo's ineptitude. I can't wait to see T.O. destroy Trent Edwards confidence probably by mid-season, and then having the Bills team implode as the season goes on. What great drama, better than any reality show.
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Re: Cowboys Cut TO [Re: mr.bixby]
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I thank God for the TO's and A-Rods, Barry Bonds, and Ron Artests of the world.
If everyone was a great and quiet guy like Barry Sanders, it would get boring.
TO is NOT washed up. But he better ride the line this year, or else there will be half as many teams lining up to give him millions the next.
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Cognitive_Shift said: He causes too many off the field problems, after fighting with mcnabb and then acting like a child on the cowboys. If i was an owner i think his antics and his presence in the football program would not be as beneficial as his on the field performance. I think team chemistry is more important than talent IMO. Thats why i think he is washed up. Just bouncing around from team to team causing an ordeal.
Ah, I see.
He's been washed up his whole career.
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Re: Cowboys Cut TO [Re: jewunit]
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T.O. is a great player that deserves to be mad at the Cowboys. 69 receptions this year? pssshh. wtf. as a matter of fact he has 38 td's over the past 3 years. thats more than anyone else in the span. 5th in all time recieving yards. 4th in TD's. 6th in receptions. this guy is a hall of famer. come on. you dont just cut him.
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They didn't just cut him. They cut him and took a giant cap hit. Meanwhile the Bills were smart enough to sign him for just one year so he can't really fuck them up much. Evans is pretty good but he definitely needs the help this will give him. Edwards, though, I dunno about. For all the dopes arguing that Cutler sucks, as a Bills fan I would be more than happy to have him sucking up my team.
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bills fan huh? so how do you feel about the signing?
id take cutler over many QB's (including cassel) any day
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Like I said, I thought, he can help and with a one year deal can't do much damage.
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Re: Cowboys Cut TO [Re: zappaisgod]
#9930596 - 03/07/09 08:33 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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yea, i definitley would want T.O. on my team rather than aginst it
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whattheheck
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Re: Cowboys Cut TO [Re: zappaisgod]
#9930792 - 03/07/09 09:09 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: They didn't just cut him. They cut him and took a giant cap hit. Meanwhile the Bills were smart enough to sign him for just one year so he can't really fuck them up much. Evans is pretty good but he definitely needs the help this will give him. Edwards, though, I dunno about. For all the dopes arguing that Cutler sucks, as a Bills fan I would be more than happy to have him sucking up my team.
Man Zap, right back at me huh 
For the record, I never said Cutler sucks in the traditional sense. Just like Jeff George and Stephan Marbury suck.
He's still young, but if he's not throwing a better ball and carrying himself better the first couple of games of the year, I'm going to put him into the "if he's not traded to somebody who can fix him, he's done" category.
I was big on him out of college, but his stock has dropped a lot with me.
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why?
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whattheheck said:
Man Zap, right back at me huh 
LOL. I didn't even realize you were one of the "dopes". I wasn't paying that much attention. There's probably quite a few teams that would take him. He does seem to be a bit of a baby but he's still a good player.
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He is not a leader. He throws an awful ball. He chokes off in the worst places and at the worst times. Like you have said, he has to best wide receiving corps in the NFL, one of the best lines. They make hum look good. Put him on the Bears. he ain't going to the pro bowl. Not to mention that he's overly arrogant i.e. bragging that his arm was SO much stronger than Elway's. 
These things a person can grow out of. But will he. I'm not sure. I'm afraid that one thing that made me so big on him coming out of college, the fact that he kept to himself and out of trouble, wasn't the typical "frat boy" type (Matt Leinhart anyone?) may also have blinded me to the fact that he seems to lack what a QB needs to win.
Here's the deal, a guy with the skill set of a Cutler or Marino is expected to do great things. He SHOULD be in the playoffs tearing it up.
I'm ready to call his career 4 games in.
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Edited by whattheheck (03/07/09 09:26 PM)
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give it a chance. next year may not be the best year to call it. new coaching staff across the board, new offensive system. give us a good D and he'll be great. i agree, he is a little cocky. but hes sure of himself. hes been in the league 3 years. 2 starting. i may be uberly biased but i think jay cutler will be a hall of famer
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Whoa! Well, make that call then.
You in Denver?
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nah, california.
dont ask me why i like the broncos, lol. just liked them as long as i can remember.
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