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 cultibob
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 First Grow Rye Grain 
#9901858 - 03/03/09 06:29 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hi I'm hoping this will be my first successful grow. I began trying to grow in October with the PF tek, with a spore syringe from redeyefrog, but after three weeks I had no results, then I played around with agar for two months but never got any growth. Then I went home over christmas and talked to a friend who told me I should squirt the spores directly on PCed rye grain so thats what I'm doing now...
First I soaked my grains, I used a coffee/water tek, but when I took a Ph reading on the coffee it came up 5.3 and I was worried about this so I did half just soaked in water at a Ph of 7.5. After a 48 hour soak the Ph on both was about 6.4, then I boiled them for 10 minutes and strained them and tried to release as much steam as possible.
These are the jars I used, each jar is half a pint.
These jars have single lids, so I drilled 3 holes in each and cut tyvek discs and pushed them in the lids.
These are the grains after they have been strained
These are the grains before I PCed at 15 psi for an hour and a half.
 
Here are the grains after I PCed them (sorry bout the crap pics)
 
I have a small PC so I had to do the jars 4 at a time and store them in this bin
I let the jars cool over night and in the morning I thoroughly cleaned my bathroom and inoculated the jars in my tub. Here is the set up in my bathroom.
  
Here are the jars after inoculation.
 
Right now I have the jars stored in a bin with a heat pad attached to the lid and covered with blankets. the temp reads 30 degrees C (86F). when the heating goes on some times it goes up to 33 degrees C (91.4F), is this ok?
A couple problems that I could uses help with:
(1) When I PCed the rye grains soaked in coffee, the water in the PC dried out and slightly burnt the jars for 5 minutes. I took the jars out and transferred them into new jars and added a bit of water and re-PCed them for an hour and a half. Are these jars fucked?
(2) As you can see in one of the pics I have taped over the holes on the lids, so now I think I am blocking gas exchange, I was thinking I might take the tape off after I see mycelium growth and put cotton in the holes or tape tyvek over the holes on the top of the lid. ANY suggestions on this would be very helpful, or if the tape over the holes is ok please tell me.
Cheers,
I'll keep updating as things progress
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ethicdrummer
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Re: First Grow Rye Grain [Re: cultibob]
#9901886 - 03/03/09 06:47 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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To me I see 2 problems there. 1st and foremost get that temp down, 86 is old news and way to hot your asking for contams. 70-75% (room temp is fine for incubation. The other thing is everyone will tell you that the bathroom and the kitchen are the 2 worste places for mycology because of all the airborn bacteria that lingers in them.
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ethicdrummer
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Oh yeah another thing. Did you buy your spores from a shroomery vendor this time? There's alot of shoddy vendors out there selling bunk spores so in the future always buy from a trusted vendor. Also the next time you attempt this you should really consider quart jars. Still all in all if your spores are healthy and you get those temps down, You should be OK. Good luck.
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Carcass
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Dude i'm doing rye grains and i'm at the same process. waiting kernels to colonize. i'll follow your log. i wonder who will have more shrooms :p
here's my log:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9854164#9854164
got 6 jars. 3 of them are %20-30 colonized, the others are below %20.
Good luck to us!
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StuckintheskY
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Just put them up on a shelf in a closet. An incubator is not needed, bad for air exchange and the temps get too high allowing certain contams to grab hold of the rye. Bathrooms are the worst places to inoculate jars. Especially a bathtub or anywhere near the floor. Make a glove box if you can, it will save you lots of trouble.
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cultibob
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Cheers, yeah I made a glove box, but my buddy told me the bathroom was the way forward, I did cleanin it extremely well, but next grow ill do the glove box again. Wish I had a closet to turn into a lab, but the kitchen and bathroom are the only things I have so its gonna have to do. thanks about the temp, I'll def get that down..
Thanks for all the comments... and keep givin me input and any answers to the 2 questions would be helpful.
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cultibob
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Re: First Grow Rye Grain [Re: cultibob]
#9902538 - 03/03/09 10:17 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oh yeah and I got my spores from spores101, so they should be good.
Cheers again
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puckmonster
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Re: First Grow Rye Grain [Re: cultibob]
#9902611 - 03/03/09 10:30 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
cultibob said:
Oh yeah and I got my spores from spores101, so they should be good.
Cheers again
Actually do a search for spores 101 and you will literally find hundreds of posts about people getting screwed by them.
Use a sponsor they love us and if anything goes wrong they will hop right on it to make us happy.
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cultibob
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Re: First Grow Rye Grain [Re: puckmonster]
#9946881 - 03/10/09 04:39 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey guys don't know if anyone is still reading my post, but I just had a look tonight at my jars and they have just started colonizing. It is an amazing feeling after trying so hard with agar and PF tek for like 6 months and now I got some mycelium... sorry for rambling, just I am really excited. Its been 8 day since inoculation. I will post some photos tomorrow. Any ideas when I should see full colonization? because I am going away in 2 weeks for 2 weeks... they are half pint jars if you haven't read my full post.
Cheers for all the help.
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cultibob
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 Mycelium Appears [Re: cultibob]
#9950392 - 03/11/09 08:10 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Here are the pics taken today, March 11th, day 9.
       
I've not shaken them yet, seeing as everywhere I've read says wait till 25% colonized. From these photos does anyone believe I should shake them now?
Some are growing quicker than others, and my question about the coffee ones was solved, looks like they might even be growing quicker.
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iskinbash
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Re: Mycelium Appears [Re: cultibob]
#9950420 - 03/11/09 08:19 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Itll prob take around 2 weeks to finish. Maybe a little less. You shouldnt shake yet. Give it to like 50%.
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TheMushMan
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Re: First Grow Rye Grain [Re: puckmonster]
#9950460 - 03/11/09 08:32 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
puckmonster said:
Actually do a search for spores 101 and you will literally find hundreds of posts about people getting screwed by them.
two things; one, i will absolutely back up puckmonster's quote here! i just had a syringe of amazonians from them that everyone of the jars contamed. i did a batch of creepers at the same time and everyone of them worked, so i know it was not my technique that caused the contam. if you're in canada, use ralphsters. spores101.ca sucks my balls. secondly, you said that you had no results with pf cakes...no offense, but that's like the easiest way to grow and if you can't master that...well, maybe it's not quite time to move up the chain...just my opinion, hope you have better luck with your rye than your pf cakes.
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Re: First Grow Rye Grain [Re: TheMushMan]
#9950479 - 03/11/09 08:37 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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You should really looki into quarts. More grain and more spawn with less jars.
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iskinbash
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Re: First Grow Rye Grain [Re: TheMushMan]
#9950486 - 03/11/09 08:40 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
TheMushMan said:
you said that you had no results with pf cakes...no offense, but that's like the easiest way to grow and if you can't master that...well, maybe it's not quite time to move up the chain...just my opinion, hope you have better luck with your rye than your pf cakes.
Hey, hes obviously got it working now. His jars are colonizing. people can start with PF tek or grains, they are both pretty simple, just different ways of doing everything. Personally, i think people can learn more about the way mushrooms and myc grow by doing grains.
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TheMushMan
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Re: First Grow Rye Grain [Re: iskinbash]
#9950494 - 03/11/09 08:44 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
iskinbash said:
Personally, i think people can learn more about the way mushrooms and myc grow by doing grains.
interesting; in what way?
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iskinbash
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Re: First Grow Rye Grain [Re: TheMushMan]
#9950512 - 03/11/09 08:52 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I guess it sort of depends on how you learn to do it, whether you just want to learn steps and follow those, or if you actually want to learn and implement the perameters needed for myc to grow and fruit. Grains helped me to learn what was actually needed for the myc, not just to memorize a recipe and steps and follow those. maybe it was because it is a little more difficult to get everything right with grains, therefore, at least for me, i was doing everything i could to understand why it needed what i was told it needed. I grew a lot in mycology when i moved to grains.
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TheMushMan
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Re: First Grow Rye Grain [Re: iskinbash]
#9950532 - 03/11/09 08:59 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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oh ic ic; yah, i'm new to this whole art and for the time being i'm just following the steps but i'd like to get into doing agar and shit like that.
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ChrisWho
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Re: First Grow Rye Grain [Re: TheMushMan]
#9950550 - 03/11/09 09:04 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I started off with grains, and when I finally decided to do some pf, I wasn't really impressed.
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Re: First Grow Rye Grain [Re: ChrisWho]
#9950724 - 03/11/09 10:03 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, if someone is confident they can do grains after researching what it takes, then i would really suggest skipping PF tek. if they arent so sure of themselves, then i would suggest starting off with the pf tek.
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ChrisWho
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Re: First Grow Rye Grain [Re: iskinbash]
#9950742 - 03/11/09 10:08 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I got to watch someone use grains firsthand before my first grow, so that could be why I opted to skip pf.
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Drugs don't have spiritual potential, human beings have spiritual potential. And it may be that we need techniques to move us in that direction, and the use of psychoactive drugs clearly is one path that has helped many people.
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