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Maryjanegirl
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Re: New to growing shroomies :) [Re: Maryjanegirl]
#9885944 - 02/28/09 05:36 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think I have decided on the four strains I want:
Malabar Coast Golden Teacher B+ Ecuador
What do you guys think? Are they good for the brown rice flour cakes? I just thought the Malabar coast looked sooo cute.
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Re: New to growing shroomies :) [Re: Maryjanegirl]
#9885965 - 02/28/09 05:40 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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yea those are great all of the will do well on cakes just remember use a sponsor good luck:)
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Maryjanegirl
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Awww thanks so much everyone! I decided on using sporeworks!
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Re: New to growing shroomies :) [Re: Maryjanegirl]
#9886218 - 02/28/09 06:37 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hopefully I can clear up a few things. You've gotten some good, and some very bad advice so far.
1) Duct tape over the holes is fine as long as you remove it after the jars come out of the PC. Foil is better though because it doesn't leave a mess. The purpose is to prevent water that rains down from the lid of the cooker from getting into the jars and making the dry verm filter wet.
2) Always remove the foil after the jars cool down from sterilization. Leaving the foil in place causes condensation, which gets the dry vermiculite filter damp, making it useless. You'll have a lower chance and rate of contamination if you keep the verm filter dry. Remove tape from the holes if it's not breathable tape too. Colonizing jars need those holes open for gas exchange.
3) Normal room lighting is fine during colonization. In fact, there is a LOT of evidence to show that it helps later when it comes time for pinning. Mycelium has a circadian rhythm just like animals. Expose to normal ambient lighting to help establish this rhythm. The old advice to colonize in darkness is outdated and incorrect. Paul Stamets, who wrote to keep colonizing jars in the dark in his book "The Mushroom Cultivator" disavowed that advice and corrected it 8 years later when he published "Growing Gourmet and Medicinal Mushrooms", yet people keep repeating the bad advice 18 years later.
4) Use a glovebox or still air box for inoculations. The latter is what is demonstrated in 'Let's Grow Mushrooms'. Never inoculate in open air. Some people are satisfied with loosing ten to twenty percent of their jars to contamination due to carelessness or laziness. I am not. A 1% failure rate is too much. Don't inoculate in a kitchen or bathroom. Those are the two filthiest places in any house.
5) Let your jars colonize in normal room temperature on an open shelf. The circulating air will provide gas exchange and keep your verm filter dry. The verm filter catches and traps contaminants before they get to the brf below. When you birth the jars a week or more after full colonization, rinse the verm filter off under the faucet as shown in the video before dunking.
6) Next time, use spring or tap water to make your substrate jars. Distilled water lacks essential minerals for healthy mycelium, and also leads to a higher rate of contamination.
Good luck. RR
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Maryjanegirl
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Re: New to growing shroomies :) [Re: RogerRabbit]
#9886282 - 02/28/09 06:51 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
RogerRabbit said: Hopefully I can clear up a few things. You've gotten some good, and some very bad advice so far.
1) Duct tape over the holes is fine as long as you remove it after the jars come out of the PC. Foil is better though because it doesn't leave a mess. The purpose is to prevent water that rains down from the lid of the cooker from getting into the jars and making the dry verm filter wet.
2) Always remove the foil after the jars cool down from sterilization. Leaving the foil in place causes condensation, which gets the dry vermiculite filter damp, making it useless. You'll have a lower chance and rate of contamination if you keep the verm filter dry. Remove tape from the holes if it's not breathable tape too. Colonizing jars need those holes open for gas exchange.
3) Normal room lighting is fine during colonization. In fact, there is a LOT of evidence to show that it helps later when it comes time for pinning. Mycelium has a circadian rhythm just like animals. Expose to normal ambient lighting to help establish this rhythm. The old advice to colonize in darkness is outdated and incorrect. Paul Stamets, who wrote to keep colonizing jars in the dark in his book "The Mushroom Cultivator" disavowed that advice and corrected it 8 years later when he published "Growing Gourmet and Medicinal Mushrooms", yet people keep repeating the bad advice 18 years later.
4) Use a glovebox or still air box for inoculations. The latter is what is demonstrated in 'Let's Grow Mushrooms'. Never inoculate in open air. Some people are satisfied with loosing ten to twenty percent of their jars to contamination due to carelessness or laziness. I am not. A 1% failure rate is too much. Don't inoculate in a kitchen or bathroom. Those are the two filthiest places in any house.
5) Let your jars colonize in normal room temperature on an open shelf. The circulating air will provide gas exchange and keep your verm filter dry. The verm filter catches and traps contaminants before they get to the brf below. When you birth the jars a week or more after full colonization, rinse the verm filter off under the faucet as shown in the video before dunking.
6) Next time, use spring or tap water to make your substrate jars. Distilled water lacks essential minerals for healthy mycelium, and also leads to a higher rate of contamination.
Good luck. RR
Thank you so much! I am very grateful for your advise!
MaryJaneGirl
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Re: New to growing shroomies :) [Re: Maryjanegirl]
#9886518 - 02/28/09 07:48 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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well said RR, there seems to be 1 good comment, followed by 4 contradictory comments. I'd recommend RalphstersSpores.com good prices, and great specials. Also have you looked at Treasure Coast? They sure are pretty. But you seem to gravitate towards the large fruits. I'd definitely make a simple glove box. Preventing 1/100 from contamination will have payed for itself GL
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Re: New to growing shroomies :) [Re: bloomersooner]
#9886560 - 02/28/09 07:56 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Strain is irrelevant. Size of fruits is related to size, makeup and moisture content of substrate, plus intensity and timing of lighting. Give proper fresh air to prevent stretched out stems and most primordia formation. RR
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Re: New to growing shroomies :) [Re: RogerRabbit]
#9886649 - 02/28/09 08:14 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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so technically any cube strain, could be cultivated into a 1 foot beast, given the right environment? what dictates strain differences absolutely. just cap/stem characteristics?
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Re: New to growing shroomies :) [Re: bloomersooner]
#9886747 - 02/28/09 08:33 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hey, noobieshroomie, no need for apologies you didn't come across as a dick i took i wrong. I didn't tell her to i was simply asking if she did. But i was wrong on the shit i said in return i let this damn internet thing get to. sorry for that. Ill pm You to clear things up off the board instead of clogging her thread.
And what RR said is all good advice he hasn't steered anyone wrong in years Maryjane. and keep us all posted on how it goes.
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Maryjanegirl
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Re: New to growing shroomies :) [Re: Doodle]
#9886859 - 02/28/09 08:51 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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I will definitely keep everyone posted on how it goes. I will take lots of pictures too!!
I just ordered the strains Golden Teacher, B+, Ecuador, and Malabar Coast from Sporeworks!!! How many cans can be inoculated with 4 syringes?
I also got some tape, which I think is the right one?? It is Nexcare brand first aid clear flexible tape. On the container it says "Stretches and breaths." It also says that it's hospital name is 3M Transpore Surgical Tape. I also picked up two more clear plastic totes, more 1/2 pint wide mouth canning jars, and some perlite. I have all the other ingredients I need and I am ready to go!!
Now I just need to wait for my new spores!!! I don't think I will use that batch I made last night, because I heard such terrible things about thesporestore.com, which is where I got the spores I used in those jars.
I am truly grateful for everyone's help here and I feel a lot more confident about growing these shroomies~~! I can not thank everyone enough.....Thanks!!! 
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Re: New to growing shroomies :) [Re: Maryjanegirl]
#9886958 - 02/28/09 09:07 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: New to growing shroomies :) [Re: Maryjanegirl]
#9886987 - 02/28/09 09:11 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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all is good doodle:)
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I got my spores a little over a week ago and knocked up 18 jars.
- 5 Jars with PF Albino
5 Jars with Malabar Coast 4 Jars with Ecuador 4 Jars with Golden Teacher All using BRF in half pint jars
So far the only ones colonizing are Golden Teacher and Malabar Coast. The Golden Teacher is doing really well and all the jars are colonizing and look soo good. Only 3 of the Malabar Coast have mycelium. Each of the three jars of Malabar have one spot of mycelium in them at one of the inoculation points. I am not sure why the other inoculation points don't have mycelium. I am worrying about my other jars of Albino and Ecuador, because those are not colonizing at all. It has been a week today!
Any ideas/advise??
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Re: New to growing shroomies :) [Re: Maryjanegirl]
#10016985 - 03/21/09 10:13 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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P.S I was also wondering if I should worry about if my jars will dry out?
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Re: New to growing shroomies :) [Re: Maryjanegirl]
#10019127 - 03/22/09 11:11 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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A week is still on the short side for a multispore inoculation. Give it another few weeks.
Coming from a person who has a history of WAY overestimating the moisture content, it takes quite a bit to dry out a jar if you've followed the tek. You're doing PF cakes right? They'll hold the moisture content fine for a month+, probably even longer.
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Re: New to growing shroomies :) [Re: kiyote]
#10021179 - 03/22/09 05:02 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thank you so much for the info!!! Big help 
My Golden Teachers are doing so well! The mycelium are so pretty and white. I will have to post some pictures. I am just so excited about them. Hopefully my other ones start growing faster.
I am going to get a small space heater today to put in my closet so I can control the temperature better.
I also just bought the 2 disk "Let's Grow Mushrooms," so I am really excited to learn more advanced methods so I can learn better ways to grow them. I definitely would like to grow some medicinal mushrooms too.
Thanks so much! Everyone has helped me out so much and I am really grateful.
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Re: New to growing shroomies :) [Re: Maryjanegirl]
#10022068 - 03/22/09 07:06 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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check out roger rabbits videos more up to date then the rest of em.
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Maryjanegirl
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Re: New to growing shroomies :) [Re: Doodle]
#10022085 - 03/22/09 07:08 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Doodle said: check out roger rabbits videos more up to date then the rest of em.
What do you mean? Is there a different video I should have gotten instead?
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Re: New to growing shroomies :) [Re: Maryjanegirl]
#10022107 - 03/22/09 07:12 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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oh shit im sorry, i miss read your post, there is an out dated dvd out there that most pick up, but you got the right one, sorry. its a great video with tons of good info
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Maryjanegirl
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Re: New to growing shroomies :) [Re: Doodle]
#10022316 - 03/22/09 07:49 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ok thanks!!! I got so worried, because I paid $50 so it would have sucked if I got the wrong one. Yay!!!!! I am sooo excited!
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