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    #9869517 - 02/26/09 01:07 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Reason for deletion: I have learned a lot this is irrealvent and old, i dont want to pullute the site with bad info. Thanks.


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Re: Plans/Grow Log B+ Spawned on Rye [Re: cjiggz]
    #9870462 - 02/26/09 03:33 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

any input?

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Re: Plans/Grow Log B+ Spawned on Rye [Re: cjiggz]
    #9883660 - 02/28/09 11:09 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

1.  Your plans do sound alright, you dont need to mix verm with coir for your bulk substrate, but you should look into various additives.  A more diverse substrate is always preferable, perhaps add some spend coffe grounds, worm castings, blood meal, gypsum etc... Its not necessary though, straight coir will work fine.

2.  Once your jars are fully colonized, prepare your bulk substrate by hydrating the coir and pasteurizing it.  Once cooled, break your rye apart by smacking the jar against a roll of duct tape or a phone book.  Now, sprinkle some spawn on the bottom of your tray or monotub, then add a layer of coir, then sprinkle spawn, then add layer of coir etc until your substrate is about 4 inches thick.  Cover your tray/seal monotub and allow the coir to colonize for 7-10 days.  Once fully colonized add a casing layer (or not, up to you) wait for mycelium to poke through casing then patch and introduce to fruiting conditions. 

I would recommend trays in a fruiting chamber, it gives you more control than a monotub.

3.  Granted they don't sprout it should be fine.

4.  Monotubs are easy, trays require more effort but give you more control over the environment.  If this is your first time, a monotub would be easier.

5.  Use coir for a bulk substrate, it will increase fruit size and yield.  You pasteurize your bulk substrate, get it to field capacity and it's ready to go.  No vermiculite is necessary in a bulk substrate, use it for your casing.  Look up a 50/50+ casing tek, this uses vermiculite and peat moss with some additives for pH balance.

6.  You can use any ratio you'd like up to 1:5, i use a 1:4 spawn:bulk.  So 4 pints of coir to one pint of colonized rye.  Put spawn in first so the bottom colonizes.  Layer this until you get about 4 inches of substrate.  Top it with a good layer of spawn, then a thin layer of coir.  Outdated information will tell you to put spawn on top to create a contam barrier, this is not true, the top layer should be bulk substrate.


Your post was very erratic and it seems you don't have a good understanding of what you're doing.  Do some more reading to narrow down your questions if you want clear answers.

Monotub tek: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9634344#9634344

50/50+ tek: http://www.shroomery.org/54/50-50-Casing-Tek

Coir tek: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/7953949/an/0/page/0

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Re: Plans/Grow Log B+ Spawned on Rye [Re: darkshine]
    #9883790 - 02/28/09 11:28 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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darkshine said:
1.  Your plans do sound alright, you dont need to mix verm with coir for your bulk substrate, but you should look into various additives.  A more diverse substrate is always preferable, perhaps add some spend coffe grounds, worm castings, blood meal, gypsum etc... Its not necessary though, straight coir will work fine.

2.  Once your jars are fully colonized, prepare your bulk substrate by hydrating the coir and pasteurizing it.  Once cooled, break your rye apart by smacking the jar against a roll of duct tape or a phone book.  Now, sprinkle some spawn on the bottom of your tray or monotub, then add a layer of coir, then sprinkle spawn, then add layer of coir etc until your substrate is about 4 inches thick.  Cover your tray/seal monotub and allow the coir to colonize for 7-10 days.  Once fully colonized add a casing layer (or not, up to you) wait for mycelium to poke through casing then patch and introduce to fruiting conditions. 

I would recommend trays in a fruiting chamber, it gives you more control than a monotub.

3.  Granted they don't sprout it should be fine.

4.  Monotubs are easy, trays require more effort but give you more control over the environment.  If this is your first time, a monotub would be easier.

5.  Use coir for a bulk substrate, it will increase fruit size and yield.  You pasteurize your bulk substrate, get it to field capacity and it's ready to go.  No vermiculite is necessary in a bulk substrate, use it for your casing.  Look up a 50/50+ casing tek, this uses vermiculite and peat moss with some additives for pH balance.

6.  You can use any ratio you'd like up to 1:5, i use a 1:4 spawn:bulk.  So 4 pints of coir to one pint of colonized rye.  Put spawn in first so the bottom colonizes.  Layer this until you get about 4 inches of substrate.  Top it with a good layer of spawn, then a thin layer of coir.  Outdated information will tell you to put spawn on top to create a contam barrier, this is not true, the top layer should be bulk substrate.


Your post was very erratic and it seems you don't have a good understanding of what you're doing.  Do some more reading to narrow down your questions if you want clear answers.

Monotub tek: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9634344#9634344

50/50+ tek: http://www.shroomery.org/54/50-50-Casing-Tek

Coir tek: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/7953949/an/0/page/0




Thank you so much for the answers. You're the first person to actually help me out. Also as far as mycelium growth, I should expect to see some within the week correct? No more than 2 weeks also?

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Re: Plans/Grow Log B+ Spawned on Rye [Re: cjiggz]
    #9883888 - 02/28/09 11:41 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

You will most likely see growth within a week, granted you inoculated against the glass.  I usually see growth from spore inoculation within about 5-10 days.  Don't panic if there is no growth though, some spores take awhile to germinate.  Also, be sure the temperature you're incubating at is not much above 80f, this will encourage contaminants.  I incubate my jars at room temperature (70-75f).


EDIT:  After re-reading your post i saw you planned to shake the jars as soon as you see growth, don't do that.  Wait til the jars are about 30% colonized before shaking.

Edited by darkshine (02/28/09 11:45 AM)

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Re: Plans/Grow Log B+ Spawned on Rye [Re: darkshine]
    #9884023 - 02/28/09 11:59 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks again. Okay I will not shake until the jars are 30% colonized. And I will follow the steps you gave me hopefully we have a successful grow here.

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Re: Plans/Grow Log B+ Spawned on Rye [Re: cjiggz]
    #9884054 - 02/28/09 12:06 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Be sure and read those teks I listed and familiarize yourself with the procedures.  You'll have some time while those jars are colonizing to look around here on the shroomery and read different procedures and you can pick one based on what you like.

One of the most important things when reading on this website is to pay attention to the date it was posted, the boards are littered with outdated information.

Great thread: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/9435695/page/0/fpart/1/vc/1

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Re: Plans/Grow Log B+ Spawned on Rye [Re: darkshine]
    #9885819 - 02/28/09 05:13 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

As far as trays in a shotgun chamber vs. Monotubs...

How much greater yields will I see with a monotub if any? I've seen lots of stuff on here saying bad things about trays and I've heard good things too. Anybody wanna chime in with some pros and cons for each.? Thanks, and thanks darkshine for all your help.

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Re: Plans/Grow Log B+ Spawned on Rye [Re: cjiggz]
    #9887196 - 02/28/09 09:54 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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cjiggz said:
As far as trays in a shotgun chamber vs. Monotubs...

How much greater yields will I see with a monotub if any? I've seen lots of stuff on here saying bad things about trays and I've heard good things too. Anybody wanna chime in with some pros and cons for each.? Thanks, and thanks darkshine for all your help.




Anybody willing to help out??

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Re: Plans/Grow Log B+ Spawned on Rye [Re: cjiggz]
    #9892397 - 03/01/09 07:27 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

^^?

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Re: Plans/Grow Log B+ Spawned on Rye [Re: cjiggz]
    #9892616 - 03/01/09 08:10 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

*Update*

So I just checked my jars. The 5 that were prepped via the sporeworks method have some mycelium forming!!! It feels like its been forever, although, its only been a couple days. The batch that I prepped RR Grain Prep have no growth yet, I am hoping to see some within the next few days, as these are the jars that I took my time with. I will post pics tomorrow and I will begin making my shotgun terrarium tomorrow also.

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Re: Plans/Grow Log B+ Spawned on Rye [Re: cjiggz]
    #9910521 - 03/04/09 01:38 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

*Update*

So the 5 jars I prepped using a simple tek filtering and adding water the PC are growing faster than the RR Tek. I did two batches the RR Tek Grain prep took more time and I felt saver and the sporeworks tek was just easy so I tried it.

I inoculated the jars about a week ago. The 5 from the sporeworks method were all shaken up at about 30% colonization or so (2 days ago). And now the mycellium is growing back is hard to explain. It almost seems milky instead of fuzzy. Is this normal? The best way to explain it is that it looks like the milk in one of those cereal bars. Is that right?

Now the jars prepped via the RR Grain Prep are taking a bit longer and I'd say are about a day or two behind. I am not worried about this as its only been a week. But what do you guys think about the others? I tried to take pics, but my camera is being shitty and cannot get a good shot.

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Re: Plans/Grow Log B+ Spawned on Rye [Re: cjiggz]
    #9910900 - 03/04/09 02:41 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Sounds kind of like the grains have "exploded" or come open, yes or no? because ive had this problem, and it takes much  longer over all for that to colonize

also did you use an LC? because a week is quick, and you should be counting your blessings and hoping its not a contam. thats quick, my jars took 16 days to fully colonize and didnt really take off till the second week.

My LC's on the other hand took off in about 6 days...

Good luck


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Re: Plans/Grow Log B+ Spawned on Rye [Re: cdubbz111]
    #9911173 - 03/04/09 03:18 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

cdubbz111 said:
Sounds kind of like the grains have "exploded" or come open, yes or no? because ive had this problem, and it takes much  longer over all for that to colonize

also did you use an LC? because a week is quick, and you should be counting your blessings and hoping its not a contam. thats quick, my jars took 16 days to fully colonize and didnt really take off till the second week.

My LC's on the other hand took off in about 6 days...

Good luck




I used a spore syringe from sporeworks. I saw some growth in 4 days and nice growth on the 6ths day so I shook them up after shaking is when the myc looks milky and clumpy instead of fuzzy on flowing. I am going to upload the best pic I can take for now. If this description isnt enough hopefully a picture can help. Thanks. I darkened the pictures up a little bit because the flash was overpowering. Sorry for the quality.



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Re: Plans/Grow Log B+ Spawned on Rye [Re: cjiggz]
    #9911251 - 03/04/09 03:32 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

props on getting growth dude, i got nada so far......my b+ has been it its jars for about a week now, i havent checked lately.....i've been told to drop the temp to 70? idk, i did 82-86 first, now i'm at 78-82.............i'm jealous dude.

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Re: Plans/Grow Log B+ Spawned on Rye [Re: johnwayne]
    #9911268 - 03/04/09 03:36 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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props on getting growth dude, i got nada so far......my b+ has been it its jars for about a week now, i havent checked lately.....i've been told to drop the temp to 70? idk, i did 82-86 first, now i'm at 78-82.............i'm jealous dude.




Thanks man, I noticed growth faster on the batched that were prepped from sporeworks.com method. I noticed you prepped yours the RR Grain Prep way, I did half of mine that way to be safe, they show minimum growth after 6 days. Don't get worried yet. Goodluck

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Re: Plans/Grow Log B+ Spawned on Rye [Re: cjiggz]
    #9911296 - 03/04/09 03:40 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

do u have the link dude? i'm searching weeeee--tared

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Re: Plans/Grow Log B+ Spawned on Rye [Re: johnwayne]
    #9911332 - 03/04/09 03:46 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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johnwayne said:
do u have the link dude? i'm searching weeeee--tared




Yea im not going to recommend it over RR Grain tek b/c its no where near as thorough. But here you go:

http://sporeworks.com/labnotes/ryetek.html

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Re: Plans/Grow Log B+ Spawned on Rye [Re: cjiggz]
    #9911880 - 03/04/09 05:09 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

cjiggz said:
Quote:

cdubbz111 said:
Sounds kind of like the grains have "exploded" or come open, yes or no? because ive had this problem, and it takes much  longer over all for that to colonize

also did you use an LC? because a week is quick, and you should be counting your blessings and hoping its not a contam. thats quick, my jars took 16 days to fully colonize and didnt really take off till the second week.

My LC's on the other hand took off in about 6 days...

Good luck




I used a spore syringe from sporeworks. I saw some growth in 4 days and nice growth on the 6ths day so I shook them up after shaking is when the myc looks milky and clumpy instead of fuzzy on flowing. I am going to upload the best pic I can take for now. If this description isnt enough hopefully a picture can help. Thanks. I darkened the pictures up a little bit because the flash was overpowering. Sorry for the quality.







Can anyone let me know if this looks normal or not? Im like bugging out!! Thanks.

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Re: Plans/Grow Log B+ Spawned on Rye [Re: cjiggz]
    #9912567 - 03/04/09 07:25 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

nobody has any input^^^^

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