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Senate Bill 42 in Alabama to classify Salvia as a Schedule I substance
#9864154 - 02/25/09 04:26 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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SB42 By Senator Erwin RFD Judiciary Rd 1 03-FEB-09
SYNOPSIS: Under existing law, salvia divinorum and Salvinorin A are not listed as controlled substances. This bill would list salvia divinorum and Salvinorin A as Schedule I controlled substances.
A BILL TO BE ENTITLED AN ACT
To amend Section 20-2-23 of the Code of Alabama 1975, relating to Schedule I controlled substances, to list salvia divinorum and Salvinorin A.
Is this really necessary? Why can't the rest of the country adopt drug policies which are similar to California's?
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From Legal Status of Salvia Divinorum - Wikipedia
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On February 5, 2007 Assembly Member Anthony Adams (R) proposed Assembly Bill 259.[55] The bill wording was amended on March 12, 2007 to include salvinorin A. The bill proposed adding Salvia divinorum and salvinorin A to Califorina's list of Schedule I controlled substances.
The bill was referred to the Committee on Public Safety with a due date for public hearing on March 27, 2007. [1] The bill analysis [2] indicated that opposition to the bill was registered by, among others, Daniel Siebert and the Drug Policy Alliance. The bill was defeated in Committee by a 3-2 vote. A reconsideration was granted and the second hearing was on January 15, 2008.[55]
The bill wording was significantly amended on January 7, 2008. The proposal for Schedule I classification was dropped and replaced instead with restrictions on the sale to minors. Section 379 to be added to the penal code - "Every person who sells, dispenses, distributes, furnishes, administers, gives, or offers to sell, dispense, distribute, furnish, administer, or give Salvia divinorum or Salvinorin A, or any substance or material containing Salvia divinorum or Salvinorin A, to any person who is less than 18 years of age, is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding six months, or by a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both that fine and imprisonment."
The amended bill was passed out from the Assembly Committee on Appropriations to 'Consent Calendar' with a recommendation 'Do Pass' (Ayes 16, Noes 0) on January 24, 2008, having passed the Assembly Committee on Public Safety (Ayes 7, Noes 0) the previous week.[56]
Adams said he was initially asked to address the issue of Salvia divinorum by officials from the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department. Lt. Barbara Ferguson, the department's legislative liaison, said "I am not real happy with the limited bill that we have. Our intention, when we started this, was to make it completely illegal. ... But because of how liberal the legislature is here in California, that was impossible to do. There will come a time when we can completely outlaw it here in California."[57]
It was reported that Anthony Adams had met Kathy Chidester during discussions over the bill. Kathy Chidester believes salvia was a contributing factor to her son's suicide, which occurred in January 2006. She argued for an outright ban in her home state of Delaware. Schedule I classification was introduced there three months after the teenager's death in the form of "Brett’s law". Since then Kathy Chidester has campaigned more widely to see bans introduced in other states.[57]
Adams amended bill passed unanimously in the Assembly on January 29, 2008 (Ayes: 76, Nays: 0). It passed in the Senate on July 2, 2008 (ayes: 23, nays: 5). Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger (R) signed the bill into law on July 22, 2008. It goes into effect on January 1, 2009.
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Re: Senate Bill 42 in Alabama to classify Salvia as a Schedule I substance [Re: Poid]
#9864216 - 02/25/09 04:39 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think salvia should be legal for the sole purpose of scaring kids away from drugs.
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Re: Senate Bill 42 in Alabama to classify Salvia as a Schedule I substance [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
#9864235 - 02/25/09 04:42 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Why would we want kids to believe that all drugs are the same as, or even similar to each other?
I think that kids should be encouraged to do their own independent research on drugs, starting with becoming familiar with Erowid.org.
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Re: Senate Bill 42 in Alabama to classify Salvia as a Schedule I substance [Re: Poid]
#9864329 - 02/25/09 04:54 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah, I hate that this is happening all over the country. I asked a lawyer if criminalinzing Salvia violates the freedom of religion. He said it isn't looked at like that, since there is no religion complaining. Salvia is pretty obscure. However, I feel that there is a certain spirituality associated with people who appreciate psychedelics.
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Re: Senate Bill 42 in Alabama to classify Salvia as a Schedule I substance [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
#9864380 - 02/25/09 05:04 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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From Salvia Divinorum - WIkipedia:
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Salvia divinorum is native to certain areas of the Sierra Mazateca in Oaxaca, Mexico, where it is still used by the Mazatec. While it is primarily taken to facilitate shamanic visions in the context of curing or divination, it is also used remedially at lower dosages. For example, it is prescribed as a diuretic and to treat ailments including diarrhea, anemia, headaches, rheumatism, and a semi-magical disease known as panzón de borrego, or a swollen belly (literally, “lamb belly”).[8][10] Salvia divinorum was first recorded in print by Jean Basset Johnson in 1939 while he was studying Mazatec shamanism.[11] He later documented its usage and reported its effects through personal testimonials.[12] It was not until the 1990s that the psychoactive mechanism was identified by a team led by Daniel Siebert.
Yes, the link between Salvia and spirituality is very well known, although not too recognized by the media.
Also, there is no established religion which holds Salvia as a divine sacrament, so making laws prohibiting it wouldn't be unconstitutional; spirituality and religion is not necessarily the same thing.
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Re: Senate Bill 42 in Alabama to classify Salvia as a Schedule I substance [Re: Poid]
#9864412 - 02/25/09 05:10 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Right but whose to say that a religion could not be centered around Salvia Divinorum. The fact that they are criminalizing it makes a Salvia-based religion impossible to get off the ground. If a group of people wanted to meet with the intention of gaining some spirituality by fellowshipping with folks, some of whom would be partaking of Salvia, this bill will make it illegal.
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Re: Senate Bill 42 in Alabama to classify Salvia as a Schedule I substance [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
#9864450 - 02/25/09 05:16 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well the Native American Church is allowed to use peyote for religious purposes, largely because it is a significant part of their spiritual heritage; I don't see why our government wouldn't allow a group of Mexicans to start a 'Mexican American Church' whose divine sacrament is Salvia.
The only thing, though, that seems to prevent this sort of thing from actually happening is that most Mexicans are Roman Catholics, very devout ones at that, and they are extremely against the use of any drug other than alcohol, and maybe tobacco.
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Re: Senate Bill 42 in Alabama to classify Salvia as a Schedule I substance [Re: Poid]
#9864528 - 02/25/09 05:28 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah, they Mazatec indians are Catholic too. They used Salvia long before the Spanish influence of Christianity. From what I understand, Christianity is accepted along with their traditional religion, which was probably kept pretty covert during the Mexican Inquisition.
I think Christianity and Salvia use could go hand in hand.
Christianity has alot of bad connotations for me though.
I could see a Salvia church being a place where people come together, regardless of race, age, gender, sexual identity, or belief that a Higher Power even exists at all.
People could have a meeting. People could make confessions to each other. Then at the end of the meeting: Salvia session for whoever is moved to partake!
Soul food dinner and fellowship afterward!
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Re: Senate Bill 42 in Alabama to classify Salvia as a Schedule I substance [Re: Poid]
#9864563 - 02/25/09 05:34 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Salvia is some heavy shit. Good thing it only lasts a minute or so, and the comedown is enjoyable.
I'm suprised they didn't do this sooner. Well, it's back to airplane glue for curious kids who are looking for their kicks. Brain damaged people make better drones anyways.
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Re: Senate Bill 42 in Alabama to classify Salvia as a Schedule I substance [Re: carbonhoots]
#9864590 - 02/25/09 05:38 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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LOL! Yeah no shit! All the recent articles about Salvia, but you never hear anything about inhalant abuse. Arosol manufacturers must have a lobby.
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Re: Senate Bill 42 in Alabama to classify Salvia as a Schedule I substance [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
#9864595 - 02/25/09 05:39 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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They are? I had no idea...
Mexican-Americans, though, would not receive the idea of drug use very well, and I know because I am Mexican-American.
In any case, it would take a lot of persuasion to change the views that Mexican-Americans maintain on drugs, and if you've ever talked to a Mexican-American Roman Catholic priest, you would know what I'm talking about; priests are sheepishly worshiped practically as gods....
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Re: Senate Bill 42 in Alabama to classify Salvia as a Schedule I substance [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
#9864611 - 02/25/09 05:44 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Inhalants cost money and are only made available by manufacturers, whereas Salvia is relatively cheap, or even practically free if you grow it yourself; you can't "grow" inhalants.
So, obviously, it's a money thing.
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Re: Senate Bill 42 in Alabama to classify Salvia as a Schedule I substance [Re: Poid]
#9864681 - 02/25/09 05:58 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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That sounds about right.
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Re: Senate Bill 42 in Alabama to classify Salvia as a Schedule I substance [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
#9864705 - 02/25/09 06:03 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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So yeah, if it's a known fact that some people in this world use Salvia for religious purposes, why then would anyone in this country want to make a law which prohibits its use altogether?
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Re: Senate Bill 42 in Alabama to classify Salvia as a Schedule I substance [Re: Poid]
#9864855 - 02/25/09 06:26 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Its a known fact that people use marijuana for religious purposes. so the "its used for religion" argument is not a very strong argument to keep salvia legal.
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Re: Senate Bill 42 in Alabama to classify Salvia as a Schedule I substance [Re: Tedwilto]
#9865051 - 02/25/09 06:53 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Here is some reasons Salvia should not be scheduled as a controlled substance. Check out one of the letters I have sent to legislators in Alabama:
Dear Honorable Representative _______, I would greatly appreciate for you to please consider opposing SB42, in regards to adding Salvia Divinorum and its active molecule, Salvinorin A, to the list of Schedule I controlled substances. The characteristics of such drugs are generally understood to be as follows: (A) The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse. (B) There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision (C) The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States. There is definitely no high potential for abuse of Salvia Divinorum. Vendors agree that the average rate of repeat customers is less than ten percent. According to the Office of Diversion Control, only one out of two hundred Americans have ever used Salvia Divinorum, while one out of five hundred have used it in the past year. Out of that fraction of a percentage, users 18 years of age and older outweigh underage users by three times. This is likely a result of Salvia Divinorum vendors voluntary insistence of only selling their product to customers age 18 and older. Even the most daring of users consider Salvia to be something of a novelty. The rare few who claim to gain benefits from quite infrequent use of Salvia Divinorum should not even be labeled as abusers of the substance. We are simply spiritual folks who enjoy pondering our place in life. We have been very grateful that a substance like Salvia Divinorum exists, and is legal in most states to use for its beneficial physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual effects that are so unparalleled by the effects of pharmaceuticals, of which we have been prescribed for relief of numerous maladies. Opponents of Salvia Divinorum's legality may point to the Youtube videos of young adults who were brazen enough to upload footage of themselves using the drug. It should be noted that there are nearly as many videos on Youtube of young adults ingesting syrup of ipecac, for the amusing purpose of vomiting for their buddies. Assuming that the users of Salvia are not "playing it up" for the camera, it is a little shocking to see the hypnotic effect of Salvia Divinorum take hold on the user, but this is not proof of the substance being abused. Salvia Divinorum is its own deterrent from potentially irresponsible users. Most of the Salvia videos on Youtube are the user's first and last trip on Salvia. What is more shocking than the videos themselves, is the fact that with a lack of scientific evidence proving any actual danger from using Salvia Divinorum, these videos and fear-mongering newspaper articles are the main exhibits used to persuade legislators to criminalize a nonaddictive substance. Not only is Salvia Divinorum safe to use under medical supervision, it is safe to use in the privacy of our own homes. Salvia Divinorum is totally non-toxic, as it leaves the user's system within minutes of ingestion. Responsible users of Salvia Divinorum remain still while the effects of the plant take hold, in order to avoid a fall. The fact that hospitals do not get patients complaining of injuries related to Salvia Divinorum, out of 1.8 million users is proof of the products safety. Most doctors have never even heard of Salvia Divinorum. Its lack of addictive quality has surely helped to keep it out of the radar. Is it not interesting that the only people who assert the public of the dangers of Salvia are journalists, and of course the occasional legislator. While Salvia Divinorum is not currently used medically, it certainly has a great deal of promise for legitimate laboratory research. The active molecule in Salvia Divinorum, Salvinorin A has proven to be hot topic in the field of mental health. Only six years ago, Dr. Brian Roth, a biochemist and neuroscientist at Case Western Reserve University, discovered how Salvinorin A affects the brain. The compound's specificity for a single receptor site on the brain makes it a huge breakthrough for potential future research which could lead to cures for depression, addiction, Alzheimer's disease, and schizophrenia, just to name a few. Scientists are worried about the future of their research with Salvinorin A, if it is placed in the category of Schedule I substances. As has been the case with marijuana and LSD, few scientists are willing to go through the scrutinizing process of conducting research with substances that carry such a stigma with the government. While it is would be irresponsible to classify Salvia Divinorum and Salvinorin A as Schedule I controlled substances, some regulation is absolutely necessary! Our children are our most valuable resource, and it is our responsibility to protect them. The brains of people under the age of eighteen are still developing. Youngsters have no business with this stuff. Maine and California have enacted this type of legislation, setting an age limit on Salvia Divinorum. It is no coincidence that these two states share a common problem with Alabama: limited funding and overcrowding in the state prison system. It would be a shame to incarcerate more non-violent people who are now considered to be law-abiding citizens. Is age restriction of Salvia Divinorum's consumers not the more logical route for Alabama than an outright ban? Sincerely,
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Re: Senate Bill 42 in Alabama to classify Salvia as a Schedule I substance [Re: Tedwilto]
#9865081 - 02/25/09 06:58 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Marijuana should be legal, too.
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Re: Senate Bill 42 in Alabama to classify Salvia as a Schedule I substance [Re: Poid]
#9865141 - 02/25/09 07:10 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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No doubt Poid. Maybe that can be our next thread!
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Re: Senate Bill 42 in Alabama to classify Salvia as a Schedule I substance [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
#9865311 - 02/25/09 07:35 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Senate Bill 42 in Alabama to classify Salvia as a Schedule I substance [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
#9865350 - 02/25/09 07:39 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I mean, there are so many more reasons why Salvia should be legal than there are why it shouldn't be legal; our politicians don't seem to be able, or otherwise willing to accept this. When one makes a law prohibiting the use of a psychedelic, one needs to have a more logical supporting reason for the existence such a law than just merely, "Drugs are bad.".
Most of today's politicians are .
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