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New Fruiting Chamber! :O
    #9858671 - 02/24/09 07:54 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

So today I was looking around the house for a nicely sized container that would be ideal for a fruiting chamber.

I found an old Sterilite tub that I kept some Lego in.
The tub is pretty oldschool, and its about 7" tall, 9" wide, and a bit over a foot long.

I evenly mapped out 70 hole areas evenly throughout the siding of the box, and Im thinking of making the holes 1/2" in diameter.

The reason for the size of the holes is because the top will not be able to ventelate, and therfore I will not bother putting holes in it.

How does this sound?

Theres about an inch of room on the bottem left for Perlite where holes havent been mapped out. If there needs to be more, I can just change the mapping.

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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: Fryer Mike]
    #9858707 - 02/24/09 07:58 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

id figure out a way to have a lid with holes on top. but thats just if you want it to work.


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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: mycoharry]
    #9858724 - 02/24/09 08:00 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

It doesn't need holes in the lid to work.  Should work out fine, as long as you fan daily.

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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: mycoharry]
    #9858740 - 02/24/09 08:02 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Ahahah! Well it's just the area the chamber's going to be located. It doesn't allow airflow in through the top anyhow.

I think if I made some sort of drip-guide that allows the build up of water to flow down to the sides of the container, water won't be a problem.


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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: Fryer Mike]
    #9858741 - 02/24/09 08:03 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I'm no expert but I doubt 7" is going to give you the kind of headspace you need, a half pint jar is like 3.5", if you're humidifying with perlite you might be a little cramped in there.

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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: mycoharry]
    #9858746 - 02/24/09 08:04 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I'm curious, is 7inches tall a tad small for a fc. perlite/sub/fruitbodies?

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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: libertaire]
    #9858751 - 02/24/09 08:04 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I have a small fan that I can place a fair distance away or close to the chamber. It can be run all day, as it uses less energy than a high-efficiency light bulb when run on low.


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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: TheBrewer]
    #9858755 - 02/24/09 08:05 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

You could make it a lil monotub

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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: TheBrewer]
    #9858758 - 02/24/09 08:06 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

It'll work, the mushies will hit the roof and then grow out.  No major problem though.  Unless you get a pin on the top of the cake, which in my experience is less common.  But if it does happen...well, then it could be an issue.

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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: libertaire]
    #9858768 - 02/24/09 08:08 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks libertaire.

What's a monotub?


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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: Fryer Mike]
    #9858784 - 02/24/09 08:10 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)


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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: violentjoe0o]
    #9858805 - 02/24/09 08:13 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: justAdream]
    #9859164 - 02/24/09 08:58 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Is that too many holes? And should I cover them with something?


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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: Fryer Mike]
    #9859189 - 02/24/09 09:01 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

70 half inch holes on such a little thing sounds like a lot. you might as well just crumble the cakes into the little bin and case it. use it as a tray it'll work good, it would be better if it was taller though. Better air flow and more room.


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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: Stimpy913]
    #9859279 - 02/24/09 09:14 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Ahh yes I was thinking the same thing. The top isn't ventelated however, which compromises a bit.

No?


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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: Fryer Mike]
    #9859298 - 02/24/09 09:18 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

see if you can find 2 of them. that is the perfect pair for a mini double tub. height is important for fae if its too short then there wont be enough space for sub level holes and top level,to be properly spaced. you can still do it with the one lil tub but then you'd want to fan a lot at least 5 times a day. too many holes to compensate for fae, will compromise the humidity.


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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: Stimpy913]
    #9863253 - 02/25/09 02:30 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Sorry, I can only work with one. I'm thinkin' the headspace will do fine for now. I really haven't much room to work with as far as where the chamber is located. I've got a nice spot picked out though.

I'm still unsure on how many holes I should put in if the holes will be 1/2" and the top won't be ventelated.

Does the area the box is located need to be a preferred temurature? Or does it not matter?


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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: Fryer Mike]
    #9863449 - 02/25/09 02:50 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Does the area the box is located need to be a preferred temurature? Or does it not matter?




looks like it's time for you to read up dude

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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: TheBrewer]
    #9863553 - 02/25/09 03:00 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Yea man, you should have the logistics completely worked out already, or at least the overall idea worked out.  Before your proceed, read read read. 

The box needs to be around room temperature, which is usually in the mid 70's, but it will do mildly ok in the high 60's, and excellent in the 80's, since cubensis is a tropical mushroom.

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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: libertaire]
    #9864073 - 02/25/09 04:13 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Wow thanks. But I'm still totally unsure about the holes!

Can someone please clarify this for me? I need to know before I start cutting the holes.


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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: Fryer Mike]
    #9864105 - 02/25/09 04:18 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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I found an old Sterilite tub that I kept some Lego in.




Just out of interest, where are you keeping the Lego now?


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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: johnny_poke]
    #9864148 - 02/25/09 04:25 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I have a couple other containers that were nearly half empty/full. So I just spread it out in catagories.

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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: Fryer Mike]
    #9864185 - 02/25/09 04:34 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I don't think it's an exact science honestly.  Just do what you think is a reasonable amount.  Not too many and not too few.  Since they're a bit bigger, space them out more and do fewer of them.  I can tell you right now that a year or even a few months from now, if you decide to continue this hobby, you won't be using this tub, so just give it a shot and see what happens.  If it doesn't work as well as it could have, then try different way with a different tub.  The only way to find what's best for your situation is to give it a shot.  It's all about experimentation.

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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: libertaire]
    #9864203 - 02/25/09 04:38 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Oh yea, and I suppose I should mention, I have a small bucket that is about 8-10 inches across by 12 inches high that I'm using right now and I only punched some nail sized holes in the very bottom of the chamber and I have a lid with some holes around the perimeter.  It's working out great, I'm getting lots of fat pins.  I fan and mist several times a day.  So there's no set way to do it.  Try something different and see what happens.

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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: libertaire]
    #9864217 - 02/25/09 04:40 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Sounds good. I'll get started tomorrow.

I tried cutting a hole in one of the other tubs and it just ripped it apart. I don't know how that happened, maybe I should just be more careful.


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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: libertaire]
    #9864226 - 02/25/09 04:41 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

agreed, the holes are probably not going to make or break this grow for you. Cut some holes (probably less than the 70 you mentioned) and if you get squared away on the other teks you'll be using then you'll probably get reasonable results.

i'd get an oil lamp or a candle and heat tip of the knife up before you cut the holes.  a drill obviously works too

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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: Fryer Mike]
    #9864233 - 02/25/09 04:42 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Using a drill prevents cracking, but not everyone has a drill.  I hold a nail in a lighter for about 30 seconds and push the nail through the plastic.

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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: libertaire]
    #9864367 - 02/25/09 05:01 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Not 1/2 inch holes, 1/4 inch holes.  If you making a Shotgun the idea is for the perlite to put enough moisture in the air that it changes the temperature and cause air exchange out of the tank.  Since a 1/2 holes has <b>FOUR</b> it will not hold enough "pressure" to have the air flow out and the likely hood of contams falling into your unfiltered terrarium higher.  1/4 inch holes.  Follow the tek.


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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: PreyToGod]
    #9864397 - 02/25/09 05:07 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Contams don't matter once the cake is colonized....for the most part.

I've never heard that about perlite, I thought it just existed to keep the humidity up.  I think you're mistaken and are thinking too much into it.  Air is constantly moving whether we can feel it or not, so I think no matter what size the holes are, they will work.  Plus the mushroom is taking in oxygen and expelling carbon dioxide, so that adds to the air currents as well.

The only issue I would worry about with holes that size is retaining the humidity.  Smaller holes couldn't hurt, but it couldn't hurt to try larger ones I think.

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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: libertaire]
    #9865916 - 02/25/09 09:01 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah that's the thing too, the one I tried before I was drilling it with a 1/2" bit. I have loads of experience in that feild anyways.

I'm gunna go with the 1/4" now, as I'm sure the bit won't tear apart the plastic.

Thanks for all the help fellows, I'll be sure to let you know how everything goes when I'm done!

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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: Fryer Mike]
    #9866096 - 02/25/09 09:28 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: libertaire]
    #9867022 - 02/25/09 11:35 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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RogerRabbit said:
  The only problem I see is those appear to be larger than 1/4" holes(6mm).  It must be remembered that a 1/2" hole is 4 times as large as a 1/4" hole, so by going larger you can screw things up.
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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: PreyToGod]
    #9867981 - 02/26/09 06:59 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Not 1/2 inch holes, 1/4 inch holes.  If you making a Shotgun the idea is for the perlite to put enough moisture in the air that it changes the temperature and cause air exchange out of the tank.  Since a 1/2 holes has <b>FOUR</b> it will not hold enough "pressure" to have the air flow out and the likely hood of contams falling into your unfiltered terrarium higher.  1/4 inch holes.  Follow the tek.




Sorry for doubting you, I found RR's description of this process:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6880451#Post6880451

Very interesting things to consider.  I'm probably gonna add some holes under my perlite after this flush to make use of this effect.

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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: libertaire]
    #9868166 - 02/26/09 08:04 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I'm a bit sleep deprived, so maybe i missed it, but what are you planning to do for lighting?

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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: libertaire]
    #9868356 - 02/26/09 09:05 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I have pretty much the same size as you and has not been causing an issue/
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It'll work, the mushies will hit the roof and then grow out.  No major problem though.  Unless you get a pin on the top of the cake, which in my experience is less common.  But if it does happen...well, then it could be an issue.



well heres my top of cake pinning [:



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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: FirstAvailable]
    #9869940 - 02/26/09 02:14 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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I'm a bit sleep deprived, so maybe i missed it, but what are you planning to do for lighting?



Nah I've said nothing about lighting. To be honest, I don't know what sort of lighting is required.

Any ideas?


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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: Fryer Mike]
    #9869951 - 02/26/09 02:16 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

psycho that is one bad fuckin cake!

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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: TheBrewer]
    #9870073 - 02/26/09 02:37 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I read that the chamber should have light 12 hours of the day.

Is this accurate?


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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: psychotropic89]
    #9870517 - 02/26/09 03:40 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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I have pretty much the same size as you and has not been causing an issue/
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It'll work, the mushies will hit the roof and then grow out.  No major problem though.  Unless you get a pin on the top of the cake, which in my experience is less common.  But if it does happen...well, then it could be an issue.



well heres my top of cake pinning [:






Good god is that a 1/2 pint cake?


And lighting isn't like growing weed the amount of light won't play a big part on how you flush grows.  Look at eatyualive's journal he shows how the tubs can be set up so when they are fruiting, they have to reach for the light


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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: Stimpy913]
    #9870550 - 02/26/09 03:44 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

In that case, they will be reaching sideways, which is a good thing in my case because of the low ceiling.

Now I just need Verm to make the cakes and roll them, Brown rice powder to make the cakes, and perlite to layer the bottom of my chamber.

Do you pour an inch of water in the chamber, THEN add the perlite?


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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: Fryer Mike]
    #9870574 - 02/26/09 03:47 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

dude you have to read some teks, these are really basic questions

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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: TheBrewer]
    #9870581 - 02/26/09 03:48 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

You're right, I'm being pretty lazy.


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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: Fryer Mike]
    #9870701 - 02/26/09 04:11 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

it's not even that, you're spending a lot of time asking and trying to figure stuff out. 

if you start reading the complete teks you'll start to get more of a big picture understanding that will really serve you in the long run

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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: TheBrewer]
    #9870738 - 02/26/09 04:19 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

nah dont leave standing water in a perlite chamber. Put the perlite into a colander or strainer, and rinse it under the sink really well, let it strain till most of the drips stop coming out repetetively and then dump it into the bottom of the chamber. This way all the perlite is wet but there's no standing puddles of water to harbor contams or diminish evaporation which creates the humidity in the chamber's air.


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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: Stimpy913]
    #9872543 - 02/26/09 08:28 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

That's what I was going to do... after I read some tek instructions. :smile:

I'm nearly ready to start colonization. All I need is verm, perlite and brown rice powder!

I'm mildly excited.


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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: Fryer Mike]
    #9873424 - 02/26/09 10:52 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Big cake in my grow was a mycobag cake, second cake was a 1/2 pint


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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: psychotropic89]
    #9873806 - 02/27/09 12:22 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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I'm mildly excited.




You'll be even more excited when you see your first pins.  :grin:

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Big cake in my grow was a mycobag cake, second cake was a 1/2 pint




They're both very kick ass.  You're doing something right.

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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: libertaire]
    #9873893 - 02/27/09 12:50 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Ha thanks man except now i picked them all and i have to hope they can dry well since i totalllyyy forgot about how much weight i would be drying in the end. For now they are under a black tshirt with a light shining on them. Hopefully that works for now. In the future im going to get a Nesco dehydrator. As for me doing something right..i couldnt even tell you. The mycobag cake screamed failiure in the beginning
heres an example


So honestly i dont know what i did any differently other than Fan more often and for 30 second counts as well as mist every so often.
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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: psychotropic89]
    #9874839 - 02/27/09 07:20 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Yea, that's very strange, never seen that.  My one cake is doing something funky, I'm not sure it's the same thing as yours though.  All the pins are very light in color and taking a while to mature.  I know it's not just primordia either, since I can see like full pins, they're just all very pale.  I don't know if they're like albino or what, but it's freaking me out.

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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: libertaire]
    #9875122 - 02/27/09 08:34 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Mine were disgusting in the beginning, peeling stems, white caps and completely wouldnt grow any bigger upwards but did turn into fat asses. They wee disgusting looking but the trip was AMAZINNNNGGGG wow they were so potent so i cant exactly complain especially now since the cakes have bloomed so nicely. Second flush time, currently dunking them.


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Re: New Fruiting Chamber! :O [Re: Fryer Mike]
    #10103493 - 04/04/09 01:01 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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I'm a bit sleep deprived, so maybe i missed it, but what are you planning to do for lighting?



Nah I've said nothing about lighting. To be honest, I don't know what sort of lighting is required.

Any ideas?




I've had good success using blue cold cathode lights, like the kind that are intended for use inside of a tricked-out computer.  They are nice because they run on 12v and usually are in the form of 18"-24" sticks.

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