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when to clone?
    #9856416 - 02/24/09 01:48 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

how much developed a plant will be in order to obtain viable clones?


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Re: when to clone? [Re: x7x_x7x]
    #9856426 - 02/24/09 01:49 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Of what? Marijuana?


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Re: when to clone? [Re: Prof. Astro]
    #9856435 - 02/24/09 01:51 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

look at the post icon, he's talking about cannabis


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Re: when to clone? [Re: haymaker]
    #9856455 - 02/24/09 01:55 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

So it does. I've heard before the plant flowers as long as it doesn't damage it.


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Re: when to clone? [Re: x7x_x7x]
    #9856463 - 02/24/09 01:57 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

let your momma get to at least 2 feet and nice and bushy before cloning

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Re: when to clone? [Re: weiliiiiiii]
    #9856504 - 02/24/09 02:03 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: when to clone? [Re: x7x_x7x]
    #9856689 - 02/24/09 02:36 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

with mothers i would recommend keeping them bushy by topping, this way you get more sites you can clone from

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Re: when to clone? [Re: x7x_x7x]
    #9856811 - 02/24/09 02:55 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

yeah you can clone at any stage of the veg cycle, keep topping it so it gets bushy as hell.
you want those nice fresh growing tips for your clones.


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Re: when to clone? [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #9856850 - 02/24/09 03:03 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

when is preferable to topping? young plants with leaves with 3 tips or more developed ones?


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Re: when to clone? [Re: x7x_x7x]
    #9856884 - 02/24/09 03:10 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

i used to top my plants fairly early to promote more branching.
if you are talking about seed grown plants then let them grow a few sets of leaves first.


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Re: when to clone? [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #9857004 - 02/24/09 03:32 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Are you cloning buds or plants? If you're cloning plants then do what Weiliii said and you'll get a ton of plants. If you're cloning the buds then grow the mother up to the point of flowering and take your cuttings from the flower sites. Don't worry about stop it flowering from taking cuttings, it'll branch out more and keep putting out flowers.

  Are you planing on growing your clones indoors or outside? If it's indoors than I would suggest cloning the buds because they take up less room and you can clone more of them than you could plants in the same amount of space.

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Re: when to clone? [Re: gandalf579]
    #9857021 - 02/24/09 03:35 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: when to clone? [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #9857118 - 02/24/09 03:49 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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i used to top my plants fairly early to promote more branching.
if you are talking about seed grown plants then let them grow a few sets of leaves first.


You should only clone from a mother that was grown from seed.

Never clone from clones.

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Re: when to clone? [Re: weiliiiiiii]
    #9857127 - 02/24/09 03:51 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Very true, cloned clones have weakened genetics and will produce less potent buds. At least in my experience.

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Re: when to clone? [Re: gandalf579]
    #9857826 - 02/24/09 05:45 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Are you cloning buds or plants? If you're cloning plants then do what Weiliii said and you'll get a ton of plants. If you're cloning the buds then grow the mother up to the point of flowering and take your cuttings from the flower sites. Don't worry about stop it flowering from taking cuttings, it'll branch out more and keep putting out flowers.

  Are you planing on growing your clones indoors or outside? If it's indoors than I would suggest cloning the buds because they take up less room and you can clone more of them than you could plants in the same amount of space.




I am totally lost. Bud cloning?

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Re: when to clone? [Re: gandalf579]
    #9858277 - 02/24/09 06:59 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Very true, cloned clones have weakened genetics and will produce less potent buds. At least in my experience.





yes exactly my point, and that is not just in your experience that is fact.

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Re: when to clone? [Re: weiliiiiiii]
    #9859648 - 02/24/09 10:16 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Very true, cloned clones have weakened genetics and will produce less potent buds. At least in my experience.





yes exactly my point, and that is not just in your experience that is fact.




And I totally disagree. Totally. Its always going to be a copy of its mother, UNLESS you start doing stupid or drastic things to it.

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Re: when to clone? [Re: ethnoguy]
    #9860373 - 02/25/09 12:47 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Very true, cloned clones have weakened genetics and will produce less potent buds. At least in my experience.





yes exactly my point, and that is not just in your experience that is fact.




And I totally disagree. Totally. Its always going to be a copy of its mother, UNLESS you start doing stupid or drastic things to it.

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Lets say you are growing a strain called strain X, you take a clone of this strain and make it your mother plant, so your using a clone as your mother.

The clones that you take from that mother will be further away from the true growth characteristics/vigor/potency of the original strain X, this is a fact and there many good books explaining this.

Dont get me wrong if you take a clone from a mother plant that was made from a clone your still going to get sum good herb, just not what it could be and to a pot snob like myself thats a big deal.

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Re: when to clone? [Re: weiliiiiiii]
    #9860855 - 02/25/09 03:51 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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i used to top my plants fairly early to promote more branching.
if you are talking about seed grown plants then let them grow a few sets of leaves first.


You should only clone from a mother that was grown from seed.

Never clone from clones.




well i know that, but the fact is that many people start with a clone so they have little choice but to clone from the clone :shrug:
i always grew from seed and selected my own mother plants from the original seed grown batch.
i have upon occasion cloned from clones and they are a bit less vigorous but not hugely so.


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Re: when to clone? [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #9861315 - 02/25/09 08:16 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I've never seen the difference, but then again the only time I've seen this occur was in someone elses indoor garden. The plant health along with bud potency remained after the 3rd gen of clones.

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Re: when to clone? [Re: ethnoguy]
    #9861413 - 02/25/09 08:55 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

i have noticed a slight difference in yield between seed grown plants and the first generation of clones produced from those plants, but it was very slight.
despite the fact that they were grown in exactly the same setup, you could say that environmental factors were what made the difference, and by no means can i prove otherwise :grin:

i do believe that you would have to clone from clones for a few generations before there was any real noticable difference in vigor.


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Re: when to clone? [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #9861560 - 02/25/09 09:36 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I hear if you spay a plant with seaweed tea it will make it clone faster..


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Re: when to clone? [Re: Brainiac]
    #9862997 - 02/25/09 01:54 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe its an age issue? IDK.

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Re: when to clone? [Re: ethnoguy]
    #9864845 - 02/25/09 06:25 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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I am totally lost. Bud cloning?

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  What, you never heard of cloning buds? It's basically the same as cloning plants. The only difference is you wait until the plant starts to flower then find the branches with flowers at the tips, cut about 5 inches down from the flower and root the same way you would a plant clone. Once it roots it will continue to flower as long as you keep the lighting cycles the same. The mother will continue to put out flowers.

  If you do everything right you'll end up with really big buds because all of the nutrients that would normally go into the whole plant just goes into the bud. When I do it my buds average 2 to 6 ounces each.

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Re: when to clone? [Re: gandalf579]
    #9868723 - 02/26/09 10:50 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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I am totally lost. Bud cloning?

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  What, you never heard of cloning buds? It's basically the same as cloning plants. The only difference is you wait until the plant starts to flower then find the branches with flowers at the tips, cut about 5 inches down from the flower and root the same way you would a plant clone. Once it roots it will continue to flower as long as you keep the lighting cycles the same. The mother will continue to put out flowers.

  If you do everything right you'll end up with really big buds because all of the nutrients that would normally go into the whole plant just goes into the bud. When I do it my buds average 2 to 6 ounces each.




Each bud yields 2 to 6 ozs. What are your specs? What strain?

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Re: when to clone? [Re: ethnoguy]
    #9868918 - 02/26/09 11:23 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

6oz bud from a clone that started 5" tall, i call bullshit.

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Re: when to clone? [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #9869132 - 02/26/09 11:56 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, I was going to be a bit more nice :lol:.

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Re: when to clone? [Re: ethnoguy]
    #9869158 - 02/26/09 12:01 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

well i'm usually a little more diplomatic than that but that statement is just ridiculous.
unless he weighs his buds fresh :smirk:

as you know i have plenty of experience going straight from clone to flower so i know what plants of this size are capable of.


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Re: when to clone? [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #9869845 - 02/26/09 01:55 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Bud cloning :lol:

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Re: when to clone? [Re: ethnoguy]
    #9869968 - 02/26/09 02:18 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

same difference :tongue:


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Re: when to clone? [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #9870957 - 02/26/09 04:56 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I thinks hes talkin the whole plant. cannabis doesent show signs of sennecence that fast. you can clone a clone if needed but its best to try to cross it with some new genetics if thats possible so you can get yourself sone seed stock and some new shit. or just flower them. Ive had mothers plant that I pull clones off of for years.


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Re: when to clone? [Re: ethnoguy]
    #9872079 - 02/26/09 07:23 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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I am totally lost. Bud cloning?

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  What, you never heard of cloning buds? It's basically the same as cloning plants. The only difference is you wait until the plant starts to flower then find the branches with flowers at the tips, cut about 5 inches down from the flower and root the same way you would a plant clone. Once it roots it will continue to flower as long as you keep the lighting cycles the same. The mother will continue to put out flowers.

  If you do everything right you'll end up with really big buds because all of the nutrients that would normally go into the whole plant just goes into the bud. When I do it my buds average 2 to 6 ounces each.




Each bud yields 2 to 6 ozs. What are your specs? What strain?

:picdidnthappen:

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  That's wet trimmed weight. When dried and cured they weigh a little less than half that.
 
  I use Northern Lights #5 x Haze and other crosses, Skunk varieties and crosses and AK47 hybrids.

  I use a version of "Supper Cropping" that I first came across in an issue of High Times, Feb. '99 to be specific.

  I grow them in a 8x8 foot room painted hospital white on the ceiling, walls and floor using 8 600 watt air cooled HPS lamps on chains from the ceiling with 16 54 watt double tubed fluorescent shop lights mounted low on the walls and between the clones. The ones in between are movable. I use fans to circulate the air and I enrich with CO2. I can't remember the ratio right off hand, I would have to look at my notes. I grow on tables so that I don't have to constantly bend over everything. Because of how bright it is inside the room I have to wear really dark wielder's goggles or go in there during the dark cycle using green lights just to make sure everything is running right and to replenish nutrients. Everything is on timers. About a week to a week and half before harvest I flush everything with filtered water and continue with the feeder solution. A few days right before harvest I switch to filtered water and let them use what ever nutrients that are left in the soil.

  I don't always get such heavy weights but I usually get buds that weigh over an ounce a piece. The biggest ones came from an AK47 hybrid a few years ago.

  And I never take pictures of what I grow for safety reasons. My property here in West Virginia has already been searched twice because someone told the drug task force that I grow, but the only things they found were a few bowls and bongs and less than an ounce of bud. My grow rooms are in hidden spots for just that reason. I keep notes on my previous grows in my grow rooms for the same reason. But if you don't know the cipher for them no else would be able to understand them.

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