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youbreakyoubuy said: so a giant social organism--an ant colony, a beehive, (if you can call a 'colony' an organism))--doesn't have much intelligence because it doesn't have much of a capacity for memory?
No, an ant (or other insect) colony isn't very intelligent. They can produce structures and perform feats that are much larger than any individual, but it is only by having so many individuals all more or less working towards the same goal. Ants are not very smart, but they do possess a memory.
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its all relative
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Re: BRAINS!!! [Re: trendal]
#9848638 - 02/23/09 05:50 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I just learnt the other day that horses aren't very intelligent. They aren't capable of holding cause-and-effect links in their mind for longer than 10 seconds, unlike say dogs, which can understand all kinds of clever things. This discovery is important for people trying to train horses. You have to reward them immediately when they do something you like, you can't even wait 10 seconds because they won't understand while you're rewarding them.
It's unusual to learn that an animal isn't as smart as you think. Usually it's the other way around.
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Re: BRAINS!!! [Re: zouden]
#9848681 - 02/23/09 06:22 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have noticed a general imbalance in the intelligence of animals...with predatory animals having a higher intelligence and prey animals having a lower intelligence.
Watching a cat or a dog, I can see how they will plan something out. Watching the prey for a while, it is probably advantageous to have something of a good memory. Prey, however, probably do much better with a short memory - they are always living in the moment, ready to run away instantly.
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Re: BRAINS!!! [Re: trendal]
#9849091 - 02/23/09 09:25 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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So you are saying Ted Bundy was very smart and his female victims not so much.
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smmu said: its all relative
Are we still talking about aunts?
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Not quite...
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Re: BRAINS!!! [Re: trendal]
#9849123 - 02/23/09 09:37 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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So people here would tend to agree that intelligence and memory are closely related.
Not only do we have computational power, we have storage capacity.
And then emotion must factor in somewhere too right?
Saturday I was watching a program on PBS with Alan Alda. Something about memory and emotion. At one point they showed a psychological test being performed in a clinical lab. They'd show someone pictures with names displayed underneath for a very brief amount of time. When she was finished with the sequence her hand was placed in a bucket of ice cold water. Apparently this stimulates the well known physiological response "flight-or-fight." Which boosted her memory retention.
At another point they put folks under an MRI and did pretty much the same test. Under the MRI the testers could identify which areas of the brain are involved at what time. Apparently the amygdala and the hippocampus are very much involved with memory. They deduced from some simple tests that women will remember the details of an emotionally charged argument where men will remember the gist of the same argument. Pretty neat stuff.
If a creature didn't have physiologic emotional reactions would they be able to have intelligence?
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