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Sexual Promiscuity & State Control
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“Thus, a good man, though a slave, is free; but a wicked man, though a king, is a slave. For he serves, not one man alone, but, what is worse, as many masters as he has vices.” – St. Augustine, City of God
The promotion of sexual promiscuity has the effect of increasing state control in peoples lives. By decreasing peoples pranic level people cloister into a herd mentality and are easily herded and manipulated.
The freedom of a society depends upon the moral state of the ordinary citizens. When people are virtuous a society is free... totalitarianism is the result of immorality.
Pranic level is a term that means a persons level of energy. How much energy their being possess's. Having a large pranic level is the result of avoiding sexual promiscuity and is the result of being virtuous. When people have a large pranic level a society is free. Thus those who believe in freedom should teach people to be virtuous. Thus people should act locally and think cosmically. That which is cosmic is society and to think cosmically means to think of how ones local actions affect society. To think locally means to be attentive to ones individual interactions with people.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: lines]
#9842852 - 02/22/09 08:07 AM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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The Greeks were perhaps the most sexually promiscuous people in the history of the earth, and were also some of the most free.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: xFrockx]
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xFrockx said: The Greeks were perhaps the most sexually promiscuous people in the history of the earth, and were also some of the most free.
Because of the masses of slaves they had.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: lines]
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Pranic level is a term that means a persons level of energy.
With what can this pranic level be measured?
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Having a large pranic level is the result of avoiding sexual promiscuity and is the result of being virtuous.
Really? This doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Promiscuity has nothing to do with one's independence and balance of mind, and, if anything, in some cases, it might even help relieve complexes and tabus which trap one's mind making it small and vicious. You can become the slave of anything, even to the idea of virtuosity, since the object of addiction is not responsible for one's weakness. The one who's responsible is the individual her/himself, and their addictive personality.
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Thus those who believe in freedom should teach people to be virtuous. Thus people should act locally and think cosmically. That which is cosmic is society and to think cosmically means to think of how ones local actions affect society. To think locally means to be attentive to ones individual interactions with people.
Too many shoulds for my taste, and too of an unsubstantiated opinion. A clear example of 2D thinking.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: Kukaracha]
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xFrockx said: The Greeks were perhaps the most sexually promiscuous people in the history of the earth, and were also some of the most free.
Because of the masses of slaves they had.
Still, this doesn't sustain the original posts and the ideas it presents.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: MushroomTrip]
#9842883 - 02/22/09 08:32 AM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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Pranic level can be felt.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: lines]
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Ahhh, it's one of those deals.
Regardless, you didn't answer the rest of my post.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: lines]
#9842902 - 02/22/09 08:42 AM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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I wouldn't necessarily hold up St. Augustine as an example of abstinence. He also had this great quote: "Give me chastity and continence, but not yet." Old man Augustine like to fuck for certain!
Personally, I don't think virtue is a concept that derives exclusively from monogamy. There are other much more important factors that determine whether a society is virtuous: love, education and tolerance to name a few.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: lines]
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I've actually found that being more sexually open helped shed a lot of insecurities.
I don't that that one can really make generalizations about things like that. Everything affects different people in different ways.
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If a neighborhood is violent that neighborhood will have a greater police presence than other neighborhoods. That's an example of a lack of virtue resulting in greater state control in peoples lives.
Here is another example.
Sexual promiscuity devalues a persons relationships(both sexual relationships and non-sexual relationships). Notice how in America many people often have "buddies" who they hang out with as opposed to having lifelong friends.
The destruction of true friendships results in society results in destroying a persons personal network of people and when people lack personal networks of friends they have to rely on the state rather than rely on their own personal cliques for various needs.
If people view others as sexual objects then they objectify other sorts of human interactions and thus the bonds of friendship become weak.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: lines]
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If a neighborhood is violent that neighborhood will have a greater police presence than other neighborhoods. That's an example of a lack of virtue resulting in greater state control in peoples lives.
Police which of course, will create even more violence and better and more skillful criminals.
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Sexual promiscuity devalues a persons relationships(both sexual relationships and non-sexual relationships).
I fail to see how it does that. Unless you're one of those freaks that think sex is dirty and degrading, but that's a whole new issue which is mental and personal and doesn't have anything to do with this forum.
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Notice how in America many people often have "buddies" who they hang out with as opposed to having lifelong friends.
The destruction of true friendships results in society results in destroying a persons personal network of people and when people lack personal networks of friends they have to rely on the state rather than rely on their own personal cliques for various needs.
Since when hanging out with buddies is of a poorer quality than having lifelong friends? Besides, people stop being friends when they don't get along, they don't contribute to the relationship in a meaningful and fulfilling way for all the parties involved, when they betray each other... maybe these people who don't stay friends for a lifetime don't put up with this shit, as opposed to those who stubborn themselves into staying in a friendship just for the year count.
Also, can you provide with some examples where people have to rely on the state because they don't have friends? I was unaware that the state has a dating service. Anyways, appealing to an institution, of any kind, doesn't have to imply that the person has become dependent on that institution.
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If people view others as sexual objects then they objectify other sorts of human interactions and thus the bonds of friendship become weak.
It takes two to tango. If both parties agree with objectifying and being objectified, who are you to judge and measure the value of their relationship?
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: MushroomTrip]
#9843021 - 02/22/09 09:32 AM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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Judgment is an important mental faculty, to be without the ability to judge is to have a severe mental impairment.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: lines]
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Read slower if you have to. I never mentioned judgment as being a bad thing, or something that should be avoided. I asked you who you were to judge the value of other people's relations? If they're ok with it, how do you determine that it isn't good for them?
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: MushroomTrip]
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My judgments concerning peoples relationships are my business and I have a right to formulate them. Forming judgments about what other people do is an important mental faculty, to not be able to do that means that one is mentally impaired. If people are so insecure that they need people to think that what they are doing is acceptable behavior in order to feel comfortable doing what they are doing then either they are weak minded and can easily be convinced they are doing something wrong when they are not doing something wrong or they are doing something that they know is wrong and don't want to be reminded of it.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: lines]
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Why aren't you actually answering all of my other points? This is a debate forum, and, until now, you have done a lousy job at sustaining your points with logical arguments. The reason why I have asked you who you were in order to judge the value of the relationships between other people had a reason behind it. Your first post contained lots of shoulds, which made everything sound like you were seeing reality from an objective point, and you had a solution to humanity's problems. So, I am asking you again: are you going to explain your points or not? Your subjective and flawed view and understanding of the world mean nothing to a debate forum.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: MushroomTrip]
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Police which of course, will create even more violence and better and more skillful criminals.
How do you come to this conclusion?
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: Redstorm]
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I was just about to ask the same thing. Beat me to it.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said: How do you come to this conclusion?
Because criminals, usually, will never stop and think twice before committing a crime just because there's a better surveillance, in the same way prison, usually, won't stop recidivism, but will make the criminal more skillful and determined. I didn't come up with this conclusion out of the blue, but by reading different studies related to this subject. Here is one example.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: MushroomTrip]
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MushroomTrip said: Why aren't you actually answering all of my other points? This is a debate forum, and, until now, you have done a lousy job at sustaining your points with logical arguments. The reason why I have asked you who you were in order to judge the value of the relationships between other people had a reason behind it. Your first post contained lots of shoulds, which made everything sound like you were seeing reality from an objective point, and you had a solution to humanity's problems. So, I am asking you again: are you going to explain your points or not? Your subjective and flawed view and understanding of the world mean nothing to a debate forum.
With regards to the "shoulds"... saying the words "should" and "ought to" are what is often done when people state a philosophy on how to live life.
As far as who am I to judge other peoples relationships... that is like asking me who am I to have the ability to see things. Once again the ability to make judgments about human behaviors is an important mental faculty and to not be able to make judgments means one is mentally impaired.
One of my basic points is that acting virtuous decreases the power of the state over peoples lives because in a virtuous community people can trust one another and hence they don't live in fear of one another and hence they demand less state oriented mechanisms of control to keep the streets safe. One thing virtue consists of is behaving in a non-violent manner.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: lines]
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How does sexual promiscuity play a role in all that? I DO agree that the more responsible and self reliant a population is, the more independent it becomes from the state and its institutions. What happens though when ridiculous laws, which interfere with morality and not safety, are appearing and people are going to prison for their private preferences, and don't negatively affect anyone else's life? How does having multiple sexual partners, exploring all kinds of sex, take away from people's freedom, and how did you determine that long life friendships are of a better value than short term relations? Length does not guarantee that a relation is profound or sincere. Can you explain, also, how you concluded that relationships based only on sex are degrading people?
I understand, and never argued against the fact that you are entitled to your opinion. What you refuse to take to consideration, from what I have said regarding that, is that, as long as you are not able to logically sustain your assertions, these opinions don't mean anything and can't be taken as being true. You have avoided lots of my responses to specific points of your posts, choosing instead to give out simple and meaningless answers such as "pranic levels can be felt".
Can you or can't you answer the rest of my questions to you, hopefully in a reasonable manner?
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: lines]
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A major point though I was trying to make was that when people are sexually promiscuous they have low levels of prana because each orgasm drains the body of prana(energy).
I am not against procreation through, I think that engaging in the activity necessary to produce babies is not a waste of prana.
When peoples prana level is low they look outside themselves for fulfillment. People in The USA often have low prana levels and thus they often try to find fulfillment in trinkets. When people have high levels of prana they are able to find fulfillment within through meditation or whatever.
When people need trinkets in order to convince themselves they are feeling fulfilled in reality the emptiness is not filled because the feeling of emptiness is the feeling of having low prana.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: lines]
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A major point though I was trying to make was that when people are sexually promiscuous they have low levels of prana because each orgasm drains the body of prana(energy).
That's nothing but a bunch a crap. Is there any scientific evidence for this claim, or are you just posting meaningless shit from new age books?
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: MushroomTrip]
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MushroomTrip said: How does sexual promiscuity play a role in all that? .... What happens though when ridiculous laws, which interfere with morality and not safety, are appearing and people are going to prison for their private preferences, and don't negatively affect anyone else's life? How does having multiple sexual partners, exploring all kinds of sex, take away from people's freedom...
I don't think there should be laws that interfere with peoples private preferences.
As far as sexual preferences go I do not think that homosexuality is bad however I do think that homosexuals should not have anal sex with one another because anal sex is unhealthy. Heterosexuals should not have anal sex either. Anal sex creates rips in a persons anus that results in feces polluting ones blood stream.
I think that all people who engage in sexual activity should make sure their partner has been tested for std's. Aids is very rampant among homosexuals due to the high levels of promiscuity experienced by homosexuals however heterosexuals also have to fear things such as aids and other std's and should make sure their partners are tested as well for std's.
Even though I think sexual promiscuity is not good that does not mean I think people should outlaw it.
I personally think that polygamy and polyamory should be legalized in The USA. Both men and women should be able to marry multiple partners.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: MushroomTrip]
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That's nothing but a bunch a crap. Is there any scientific evidence for this claim, or are you just posting meaningless shit from new age books?
Are you channeling Swami?
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: lines]
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The idea that the orgasm reduces ones pranic level might be mentioned in new age books, I don't know. As far as its origins it is actually an idea from the oldest set of religions on the planet(hinduism).
Once again I would like to stipulate that if people expend prana for the purpose of procreation then that is not a waste of prana.
The preservation of prana is engaged in in order for the purpose of attainment in meditation.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: MushroomTrip]
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If draining prana is wrong I don't wanna be right.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: lines]
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First you're going to have to show that "prana" actually exists and can be measured.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: lines]
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lines said: “Thus, a good man, though a slave, is free; but a wicked man, though a king, is a slave. For he serves, not one man alone, but, what is worse, as many masters as he has vices.” – St. Augustine, City of God
The promotion of sexual promiscuity has the effect of increasing state control in peoples lives. By decreasing peoples pranic level people cloister into a herd mentality and are easily herded and manipulated.
The freedom of a society depends upon the moral state of the ordinary citizens. When people are virtuous a society is free... totalitarianism is the result of immorality.
Pranic level is a term that means a persons level of energy. How much energy their being possess's. Having a large pranic level is the result of avoiding sexual promiscuity and is the result of being virtuous. When people have a large pranic level a society is free. Thus those who believe in freedom should teach people to be virtuous. Thus people should act locally and think cosmically. That which is cosmic is society and to think cosmically means to think of how ones local actions affect society. To think locally means to be attentive to ones individual interactions with people.
Is this another form of religious nuttiness? It sure looks like it to me. Is this what people learn from taking shrooms?
And I personally think it is fear based and sexually repressed thinking. It's quite yucky IMO. In fact this kind of thinking makes me want to give up on humanity. (in general)
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: Icelander]
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Is this what people learn from taking shrooms?
Naw man, haven't you heard? Shrooms make you gay.
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That's why I use cactus.
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Virus_with_Shoes said: If draining prana is wrong I don't wanna be right.
Put some music to those lyrics and you might have a hit song.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said: First you're going to have to show that "prana" actually exists and can be measured.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: lines]
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When a male has an orgasm the result is that semen is ejaculated from the body, semen contains vital hormones and nutrients. If the orgasm is avoided these hormones and nutrients keep on building up within the body. This is why body builders know that they should not have sex weeks before an event.
When a female has an orgasm she does not ejaculate the hormones and nutrients from her body immediately but rather the hormones and nutrients get ejaculated upon menstruating. If a female avoids the orgasm the result is that she keeps the nutrients and hormones in her body and does not ejaculate them upon menstruating.
The prana that one loses when one has an orgasm is called veerya. If one avoids the sexual orgasm one stores high levels of prana in ones body and one keeps adding to the amount of prana one has. This is one reason why sexual promiscuity is bad.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: lines]
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There is no scientific evidence to back this nonsense. Or can you show some?
I say sexual repression is bad.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: lines]
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If the orgasm is avoided these hormones and nutrients keep on building up within the body.
No they don't. You will eventually have a nocturnal emission.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: lines]
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Lines, I think you are on to something interesting. The study of any taboo and the relative power (state) is naturally something that many people are sensitive about though.
You might check out Michel Foucault's "History of Sexuality". He describes a similar theory in the way power structures, although he does not vest as much interest in a state apparatus.
http://ssr1.uchicago.edu//PRELIMS/Culture/cumisc1.html#FOUCAULT
This guy was an absolute freak I might add...
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: lines]
#9844929 - 02/22/09 04:00 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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As far as sexual preferences go I do not think that homosexuality is bad however I do think that homosexuals should not have anal sex with one another because anal sex is unhealthy.
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Heterosexuals should not have anal sex either. Anal sex creates rips in a persons anus that results in feces polluting ones blood stream.
That only goes for uneducated people who don't know what measures to take in order to safely have anal sex.
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I think that all people who engage in sexual activity should make sure their partner has been tested for std's. Aids is very rampant among homosexuals due to the high levels of promiscuity experienced by homosexuals however heterosexuals also have to fear things such as aids and other std's and should make sure their partners are tested as well for std's.
Even though I think sexual promiscuity is not good that does not mean I think people should outlaw it.
I personally think that polygamy and polyamory should be legalized in The USA. Both men and women should be able to marry multiple partners.
You still didn't bring any evidence that shows HOW sexual promiscuity enslaves people, nor did you prove that prana exists.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: lines]
#9844951 - 02/22/09 04:04 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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..i dont like it.
I like to give my love and energy to more than one female. Choosing this addictive interdependency we call a relationship , only invokes ideas of separation from the infinite creator. We are all unique portions.. only seemingly separated from this intelligent infinity , in order to better experience all different facets of the creator.. of ourselves. Restricting our sexual energy out pour to only one individual , does in fact IMO contradict freedom in its very core.
Although i would agree that taking sexual activity to an extreme can have unwanted effects. When i drink ayahuasca , i refrain from any form of sexual activity for days before.. more specifically the ejaculation. This is also a form of releasing energy , and can hinder the healing and/or visionary process involved in this experience which i deem highly spiritual.
So.. i would argue that variety in sexual partners is not a negative thing no matter what anybody tells you. Neither is nymphomania.. it just depletes your energy unless there is a green ray energy transfer in which case the complete opposite takes place , which is rejuvenation and healing. In the , let me say , unwanted situation.. on or more person/s will have their yellow/orange ray active which is usually caused by the persons desire to control or be controlled.. in which case the one in control has a very strong urge to prolong the experience. The hunger increases.. and addiction quietly finds its way to morph this ,originally spiritual experience of energy transfer into a satisfaction of the ego.
Addiction goes against freedom in my book.. And freedom introduces novelty instead of habit.. abundance instead of scarcity.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: MushroomTrip]
#9844971 - 02/22/09 04:06 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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prana is manifest in peoples biochemicals.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: lines]
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lines said: prana is manifest in peoples biochemicals.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: Redstorm]
#9845023 - 02/22/09 04:15 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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So wait, if I beat off frequently, the state suddenly gains additional control over me? Huh?
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: LSDreamer]
#9845044 - 02/22/09 04:18 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: daytripper23]
#9845046 - 02/22/09 04:19 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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You might check out Michel Foucault's "History of Sexuality". He describes a similar theory in the way power structures, although he does not vest as much interest in a state apparatus.
http://ssr1.uchicago.edu//PRELIMS/Culture/cumisc1.html#FOUCAULT
This guy was an absolute freak I might add...
I read through that summary of the book he wrote. I was confused by some of it. What was he basically saying?
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: lines]
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lines said: prana is manifest in peoples biochemicals.
Source?
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: MushroomTrip]
#9845167 - 02/22/09 04:42 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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jivJaN said: Addiction goes against freedom in my book..
My sentiments too. ...However... Where is the line drawn? Is loving a life partner an addiction, is this a restriction of freedom? But if you're happy with having a life partner, then why would it matter? You may be addicted, but its your choice. A weakness and detrimental affect of such an addiction would be that you want out of the relationship, but can't bare to let go. And in these cases i'm inclined to blame the person and not any sense of addiction for their lack of freedom.
This is just weakness no? Or is this just weakness to addiction, like inability to quit smoking? (shit i'm guilty of that - its not that hard - but its so fucking hard >:( ) I don't claim to know the answer.
But i will say...
Different strokes for different folks. Some people are quite happy to have "open" relationships, even with a life partner. Others prefer their relationships exclusive.
IMO. Freedom is in the eye of the beholder. It has different degrees and can mean different things to different people about the same ideas. Some certain government controls maybe necessary to protect some certain freedoms from being compromised by individuals or groups. Counter to that some government controls may restrict some freedoms of others, it may seem minor to some, major to others (i.e gun laws making gun ownership restricted to certain classes of weapons for those who like to hunt etc..)
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: flangenips]
#9847232 - 02/22/09 10:10 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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I have to agree with MushroomTrip for the majority of this discussion. However, I will add my own two cents.
#1 Sexual promiscuity by definition is not inherently good nor evil, right nor wrong. Barring any sort of religious or philosophical lawyering, animals are an excellent example. They have no social order that functions in a negative manner, its clean, efficient, and devoid of such pitiful and narrow minded restrictions. Our large heads like to think of ways to order and quantify. We create illogical correlations.
#2 To remain logical, it is impossible to take a correlation, and then assign a cause to one side or the other. I could just as easily argue that the more oppressive and controlling a state is, the more 'immoral' the people become.
There, all two cents. You can't argue correlation, its just not factual. It'd be like saying that, "Oh, since most people die go to funeral homes, funeral homes are toxic!"
You have no facts, only a series of past events that could be proven one way or another. This is why evolution is still a theory, it can never be repeated. Its simply a correlation like gravity.
One more thing: Find someone you know, but wouldn't normally hug or be affectionate to. Say, a cousin or a good friend. Give them a good hug. Better yet, see if you can get them to give you a hug.
Don't worry, hugs are the gateway drug. They lead to touching, and petting, and sex. Does that mean you'll fuck your cousin? Not likely. You are responsible for every action you take, every thought that races through your synapse. You don't have a choice. The sooner you accept yourself, the sooner you could give a crap about this sort of socio political nonsense and go get that hug.
I'm serious. You can go as far with this idea as you want to. It would be nice to be able to be intensely affectionate with someone, without a social wall forming in your mind, jumping frantically away from the idea because you just might have an intimate thought in your mind. Calm the storm, accept that you are ultimately a sexual being, and get used to it. Carried out responsibly, you can have an intense relationship with every person you ever meet, or you can dust them aside like a leaf in the wind. It all depends on the time and the place and the flow. Society developed when kinks showed up in that system.
Society is the rust on what used to be a well oiled machine, we see it, we know it serves a purpose, and sometimes its less intrusive than others....but we just can't get rid of that shit.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: lines]
#9847489 - 02/22/09 10:40 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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lines said: “Thus, a good man, though a slave, is free; but a wicked man, though a king, is a slave. For he serves, not one man alone, but, what is worse, as many masters as he has vices.” – St. Augustine, City of God
The promotion of sexual promiscuity has the effect of increasing state control in peoples lives. By decreasing peoples pranic level people cloister into a herd mentality and are easily herded and manipulated.
The freedom of a society depends upon the moral state of the ordinary citizens. When people are virtuous a society is free... totalitarianism is the result of immorality.
Pranic level is a term that means a persons level of energy. How much energy their being possess's. Having a large pranic level is the result of avoiding sexual promiscuity and is the result of being virtuous. When people have a large pranic level a society is free. Thus those who believe in freedom should teach people to be virtuous. Thus people should act locally and think cosmically. That which is cosmic is society and to think cosmically means to think of how ones local actions affect society. To think locally means to be attentive to ones individual interactions with people.
"As political and economic freedom diminishes, sexual freedom tends compensatingly to increase."
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: Poid]
#9848451 - 02/23/09 03:14 AM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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wow i was contemplating this about when this thread got started but it all went on in my mind up til now which i say im way to late to stick any 2 cents in cause this thing is loaded with dimes. aside from the quarter,
hmm i dunno where to touch this at all.
but any who i dont think prana has to do with sex persay s much as it has to deal with jus over all full fillment. im gona have now just reguritate and vomit something from a website.
In Ayurveda, the Prana is further classified into subcategories, referred to as pranas. According to Hindu philosophy these are the vital principles of basic energy and subtle faculties of an individual that sustain physiological processes. There are five pranas or vital currents in the Hindu system:[2]
Prana : Responsible for the beating of the heart and breathing. Prana enters the body through the breath and is sent to every cell through the circulatory system.
Apana : Responsible for the elimination of waste products from the body through the lungs and excretory systems.
Udana : Responsible for producing sounds through the vocal apparatus, as in speaking, singing, laughing, and crying. Also it represents the conscious energy required to produce the vocal sounds corresponding to the intent of the being. Hence Samyama on udana gives the higher centers total control over the body.
Samana : Responsible for the digestion of food and cell metabolism (ie. the repair and manufacture of new cells and growth). Samana also includes the heat regulating processes of the body. Auras are projections of this current. By meditational practices one can see auras of light around every being. Yogis who do special practise on samana can produce a blazing aura at will.
Vyana : Responsible for the expansion and contraction processes of the body, eg. the voluntary muscular system.
i guess thats all im really saying about that. in other words all parana is being responsible for your self, i do so how having sex with someone can make you reliant on them or something.
as i said when i was thinking about this sort of thing when this started being posted by you i was in a snow storm then watch my friend and his girl friend fight then just talked with her for like an hour or 2 about their relationship while trip/rollin.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: flangenips]
#9848482 - 02/23/09 03:44 AM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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"But if you're happy with having a life partner, then why would it matter?" Some people say that a large amount of money would make them "happy".. furthermore , they would constantly strive to hold on to this "happiness" by increasing the amount of money. I would argue that its far from happiness. Heroin addicts want nothing more than to have an endless supply of the substance..it would make them happy.
Well.. some people say i take it too far.. But yes.. i believe long term relationships are like addictions. If you honestly think about it.. families are just like that. To me it seems like the whole scheme is somehow set up to separate people more and more. Take a look at society at this point in time.. We all live in our houses/apartments.. leave to go to work , isolated in a car.. come back to the family environment tired as hell .. go to sleep and do the same thing tomorrow. So the working father , has had it.. everybody wants something.. the wife bitches even though he works his ass off.. the kids dont understand , so they proceed to be annoying in the brief moments of peace this man will get in the comfort of his home.. So it turns out that the only time he can actually relax , is when he goes drinking with his buddies. As time goes by.. this "buddy time" becomes shorter and shorter as the friends get married and carry on having the same dull life he does and as he gets a promotion and his chill time is reduced. Soon enough.. he starts drinking at home.. But they dont get a divorce.. because of the kids... preserving the family. So the father is trying to get away from it all.. The wife starts having an affair because hes not around.. so shes getting away too.. The children are growing up too.. basically using the family to give them shelter and spending money , since the parents are too occupied with their own needs Its like a little web of exploitation.. knowing that you can rely on somebody .. just because hes blood. So the drinking situation in the house gets worse.. he molests the daughter.. the son kills him because of it.. and the mother proceeds to take her own life. ... A bunch of bullshit right ? .. so what kind of families will these kids have when they "grow up" What kind of relationships ? You see where im going with this .. it is somehow constructed to increase the retarded behavior with each new generation. And i believe it all starts with sexual partnership..
I know this can be attributed to other qualities of the individuals comprising the family whole.. but im trying to approach the subject from a different perspective..
f.e. Early civilizations according to McKenna , were conducting mass orgies to avoid the dominator society type, by suppressing the male ego , because once he claims his child... his woman.. his house.. his family.. etc.. the whole notion of a hierarchical society can be traced back to these "values" ,that are somehow developed from evolutionary regressive properties of the humankind.
1.Why wouldnt we all be a family ? All participating in teaching our children instead of limiting their knowledge to teachings of only select few in the inner circle of the family.
2. I dont believe.. however "true" ones love is for his/her partner.. than he/she will not , at some point feel the urge to be unfaithful .. And denying such an urge based on the cultural norm of monogamy that has been enforced ..must somehow be a limitation of "freedom". Which is not to say we should blindly follow all of our urges.. but at least have a good enough reason for it
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: jivJaN]
#9848499 - 02/23/09 04:02 AM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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There are different societies. What do you mean by being "all" a family? All humans? Or whole societies? In fact, all humans are not linked. So, that idea leads to a bigger group, a bigger family, still not "everyone".
Family is also a shelter against hostile individuals. Or at least it should be. A "big family" could have many unwanted individuals inside.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: Kukaracha]
#9848519 - 02/23/09 04:15 AM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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In fact, all humans are not linked.
Actually the reverse could be said.
No more recently has it become quite clear that we are operating in a Global economy.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: Kukaracha]
#9848521 - 02/23/09 04:16 AM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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Kukaracha said: There are different societies. What do you mean by being "all" a family? All humans? Or whole societies? In fact, all humans are not linked. So, that idea leads to a bigger group, a bigger family, still not "everyone".
Family is also a shelter against hostile individuals. Or at least it should be. A "big family" could have many unwanted individuals inside.
you mean like hippies?
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: TameMe]
#9848560 - 02/23/09 04:47 AM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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What about sea, mountains and deserts?
And I think that the idea of "a big family" is a bad one, I'm not a hippy no. : )
Edited by Kukaracha (02/23/09 04:48 AM)
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: Kukaracha]
#9848565 - 02/23/09 04:50 AM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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Kukaracha said: What about sea, mountains and deserts?
And I think that the idea of "a big family" is a bad one, I'm not a hippy no. : )
whats that in reference to
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: thedudenj]
#9848577 - 02/23/09 05:03 AM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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jivJaN's post.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: Kukaracha]
#9849256 - 02/23/09 10:07 AM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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Kukaracha said: There are different societies. What do you mean by being "all" a family? All humans? Or whole societies? In fact, all humans are not linked. So, that idea leads to a bigger group, a bigger family, still not "everyone".
Family is also a shelter against hostile individuals. Or at least it should be. A "big family" could have many unwanted individuals inside.
"One day , when you grow up .. you will have a family of your own " Even our limited language is implying ownership.. possession.
The entire concept of a family .. seems to be a faulty one. My previous statement which you quoted was more like a metaphor leaning towards unity and shared responsibility in the upbringing of children. I agree that the larger the structure , the better chance is for these "unwanted" guests , as you say.. But.. this is not to say that even small families have individuals prone to be "hostile" I even think that when the family circle is smaller.. there is a lesser chance that these negative actions will leave the "circle of trust" , instead of a larger community where these issues will come to the attention of other adults very fast.
In fact.. single mothers that introduce new males to the family have a bigger chance of getting their children mistreated. Again.. because they are not biologically connected.. (or so they think) and they, ironically, do this to gain more stability/protection and to fit in better with the societal norm.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: jivJaN]
#9849616 - 02/23/09 11:26 AM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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jivJaN said: The entire concept of a family .. seems to be a faulty one. My previous statement which you quoted was more like a metaphor leaning towards unity and shared responsibility in the upbringing of children. I agree that the larger the structure , the better chance is for these "unwanted" guests , as you say.. But.. this is not to say that even small families have individuals prone to be "hostile" I even think that when the family circle is smaller.. there is a lesser chance that these negative actions will leave the "circle of trust" , instead of a larger community where these issues will come to the attention of other adults very fast.
In fact.. single mothers that introduce new males to the family have a bigger chance of getting their children mistreated. Again.. because they are not biologically connected.. (or so they think) and they, ironically, do this to gain more stability/protection and to fit in better with the societal norm.
I agree with you, small families tend to make isolated groups. But isn't a bigger group a form of communism? Organization would be difficult. School is already a form of "big family", and we also observe that it's a form of normalization. It seems to me that there is a choice to be made there.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: Kukaracha]
#9849748 - 02/23/09 11:56 AM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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it depends how the group is organized. is it organized culturally or is it organized by the state?
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: lines]
#9849842 - 02/23/09 12:12 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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lines said: “Thus, a good man, though a slave, is free; but a wicked man, though a king, is a slave. For he serves, not one man alone, but, what is worse, as many masters as he has vices.” – St. Augustine, City of God
The promotion of sexual promiscuity has the effect of increasing state control in peoples lives. By decreasing peoples pranic level people cloister into a herd mentality and are easily herded and manipulated.
The freedom of a society depends upon the moral state of the ordinary citizens. When people are virtuous a society is free... totalitarianism is the result of immorality.
Pranic level is a term that means a persons level of energy. How much energy their being possess's. Having a large pranic level is the result of avoiding sexual promiscuity and is the result of being virtuous. When people have a large pranic level a society is free. Thus those who believe in freedom should teach people to be virtuous. Thus people should act locally and think cosmically. That which is cosmic is society and to think cosmically means to think of how ones local actions affect society. To think locally means to be attentive to ones individual interactions with people.
My wife and I polyamorous which means we are free to explore love and sexual relationships with others. People who live honest lives are not easier to control. Enjoying life to its fullest with other open-minded individuals is something we could all strive for. The real problem is all the lying and betrayal going on because of the stupid notion that having many lovers is wrong. It makes sense that a society full of lying and cheating spouses would be easier to control and that maybe the real government control comes from convincing society that promiscuity is wrong.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: lines]
#9850013 - 02/23/09 12:45 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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Which differences do you see? Changing culture is long, state control is hard when you cross a certain line.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: zen buddy]
#9850444 - 02/23/09 02:19 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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My wife and I polyamorous which means we are free to explore love and sexual relationships with others. People who live honest lives are not easier to control. Enjoying life to its fullest with other open-minded individuals is something we could all strive for. The real problem is all the lying and betrayal going on because of the stupid notion that having many lovers is wrong. It makes sense that a society full of lying and cheating spouses would be easier to control and that maybe the real government control comes from convincing society that promiscuity is wrong.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: Icelander]
#9850715 - 02/23/09 03:07 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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lines nothing in history has caused more perversions and mental illness that the prohibitions on sex that you advocate
my guess is that most saints were mentally ill (rather than spiritually enlightened ) from trying to suppress there sex drive
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: arainbow]
#9850721 - 02/23/09 03:08 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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Like the Priests for instance.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: Icelander]
#9851322 - 02/23/09 04:48 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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priestess used to be whores back in the day. im sure it was something simlar for priest in the fact that they did rituals of a sexual nature with priestesses
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: thedudenj]
#9851332 - 02/23/09 04:50 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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ahh... the good ol days.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: Icelander]
#9851367 - 02/23/09 04:58 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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yeah werd its why im not abstainate anymore
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: Icelander]
#9878595 - 02/27/09 04:14 PM (15 years, 23 days ago) |
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My wife and I polyamorous which means we are free to explore love and sexual relationships with others.
That's awesome. I had a feeling about you.
It is my personal opinion that the more you can let go of the common social restrictions placed on relationships, the more control you have of your own. That is not to say that you have 'control' over a partner but rather your self.
Think for a moment, about what exactly jealousy would mean to most people if it were not programmed into them from the beginning? I witnessed a terrible destruction of countless relationships because it was not possible for people in my life to conform to the social restraint. The personal torture they experienced as a result of this programming was devastating to say the least.
Humans are strangely uncomfortable with their sexual nature. People are tense. They hold up all this stress about interaction with each other because of social implications. What the fuck? Examine yourself! Don't pretend you do not lust, love and seek comfort. Sometimes conditions make sense...inbreeding and shit like that...it has a point. But feeling as though you can't hug your family. Or feeling awkward about cuddling up with your friends, your family? That's messed up.
Maybe I'm just a weirdo. This weirdo likes the idea of affection though, I've seen enough fucked up shit happen due to people trying to ignore and control it that I'm sure that its best left to follow its own course and to hell with the rest.
I've probably posted this before, but I agree with it whole heartily.
"Indecency, vulgarity, obscenity--these are strictly confined to man; he invented them. Among the higher animals there is no trace of them. They hide nothing; they are not ashamed. Man, with his soiled mind, covers himself. He will not even enter a drawing room with his breast and back naked, so alive are he and his mates to indecent suggestion. Man is "The Animal that Laughs." But so does the monkey, as Mr. Darwin pointed out; and so does the Australian bird that is called the laughing jack-ass. No--Man is the Animal that Blushes. He is the only one that does it--or has occasion to." - "The Lowest Animal"
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: justamonkey]
#9878687 - 02/27/09 04:24 PM (15 years, 23 days ago) |
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Dood, I don't think that quote was from me. However I do agree.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: Icelander]
#9879305 - 02/27/09 05:58 PM (15 years, 23 days ago) |
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Icelander said: Dood, I don't think that quote was from me. However I do agree.
Ha, I see now. You quoted someone else, but I thought you said it.
Its all good though.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: justamonkey]
#9894074 - 03/01/09 11:26 PM (15 years, 21 days ago) |
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dude i love having alot of female friends i can cuddle with and the ones that i have a more sexual relationship. i think love is the real key when everyone has love and respect for each other and everyone else, society takes on a different course and doors open up. when its about love and not control.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: thedudenj]
#9895444 - 03/02/09 09:31 AM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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Well of course.
Even if the sex is casual that doesn't mean you have no good will or regard for the other party.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: Icelander]
#9895548 - 03/02/09 09:52 AM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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yeah casual sex in alot of situations isnt a good thing, people are bars disgust me, the type that are like i just fucked this bitch blah blah
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: thedudenj]
#9895563 - 03/02/09 09:57 AM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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mostly bullshit anyway. But that's what some chicks are looking for too. I knew chicks in college that only wanted to fuck and then get away from you.
Actually in a prefect world friendly uncommitted fucking would be the norm.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: Icelander]
#9895664 - 03/02/09 10:25 AM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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yeah they are called whores...
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: thedudenj]
#9896158 - 03/02/09 11:56 AM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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No they're not. They're people just like the guys that fuck them.
Take your bullshit elsewhere.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: Icelander]
#9896295 - 03/02/09 12:17 PM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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Icelander said: Actually in a prefect world friendly uncommitted fucking would be the norm.
I do agree.
Humans are innately sexual beings. We have all these inner drives and metaphysical motivations. We eat when hungry. We fuck when horny. We sleep when tired. To distance yourself from your natural drives makes you feeling incomplete; wanting more. It's almost like drinking water when your hungry. It physically fills up your stomach, but it doesn't fully satisfy.
From a biological standpoint, humans can't help but be sexual creatures. We evolved to stand upright, ultimately revealing our genetilia, making us more inclined to use them. Women, like any other female mammalia, have certain times of the year when they are most likely to get pregnant; or in other words, are in heat. The only problem is that there are little to no physical signs signifying the beginning of ovulation, the period of the menstrual cycle that is optimum for copulation. So what did our ancestors do to make sure their genetics are being passed down? Fucked savagely, and with no remorse.
So, in retrospect, we have evolved to be some sexual mother fuckers. Embrace sexuality, and be comfortable with your own. In the long run, you will be happier satisfying your sexual hungers, rather than trying to silence them.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: meatcakeman]
#9896466 - 03/02/09 12:40 PM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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Interesting how we became so sexually inhibited as a species. Why do you think that was?
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: Icelander]
#9896529 - 03/02/09 12:48 PM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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Icelander said: Interesting how we became so sexually inhibited as a species. Why do you think that was?
I don't know, but perhaps it at least helped delay the spread of sexually transmitted diseases.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: deCypher]
#9897024 - 03/02/09 02:22 PM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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yeah those guys are whores too...
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: thedudenj]
#9897172 - 03/02/09 02:57 PM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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prude
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: Icelander]
#9897254 - 03/02/09 03:11 PM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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nah i have sex with people i love and cuddle with them not people i dont love lol and that makes all the difference
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: thedudenj]
#9897291 - 03/02/09 03:17 PM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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To you. But who care's about you?
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: Icelander]
#9898158 - 03/02/09 05:18 PM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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Icelander said: Interesting how we became so sexually inhibited as a species. Why do you think that was?
This might be a stretch, but I think our ancestors wanted to fuck so much because they needed to.
Quite possibly, our earliest ancestors weren't equipped with the perfect set of biological tools to allow them to be the Top Dogs in the food chain. Homo erectus couldn't exactly fight a wooly mammoth. Evolution, being on our side, allowed us to develop keen senses to combat other species and potential predators, subsequently keeping our species alive and thriving. Our vision became sharper, allowing us to see oncoming danger from far away. Our brains became smarter, allowing us to quickly calculate how to evade any danger and possibly death. And we grew to want to fuck a lot, so we grew in number, preventing our extinction.
That was just a theory, though. I could very well be wrong.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: meatcakeman]
#9901587 - 03/03/09 02:28 AM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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duh the people that love me and its fucking sweet
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: thedudenj]
#9907068 - 03/03/09 09:42 PM (15 years, 19 days ago) |
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Hey, that's peachy if that's what you look for. Its just a matter of personal preference. I've never had "relations" with someone I didn't know well, but I have had fleeting intimate moments with friends that I continue to be friends with, and it was an all around positive thing.
As long as nobody is getting hurt, I don't see anything wrong with whatever people want to do with whoever.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: sorahtak]
#9909207 - 03/04/09 09:22 AM (15 years, 18 days ago) |
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As long as nobody is getting hurt, I don't see anything wrong with whatever people want to do with whoever.
Funny that this simple concept is so difficult for the majority of Americans and much of the rest of the world.
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