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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: Redstorm]
#9845023 - 02/22/09 04:15 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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So wait, if I beat off frequently, the state suddenly gains additional control over me? Huh?
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: LSDreamer]
#9845044 - 02/22/09 04:18 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: daytripper23]
#9845046 - 02/22/09 04:19 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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daytripper23 said:
You might check out Michel Foucault's "History of Sexuality". He describes a similar theory in the way power structures, although he does not vest as much interest in a state apparatus.
http://ssr1.uchicago.edu//PRELIMS/Culture/cumisc1.html#FOUCAULT
This guy was an absolute freak I might add...
I read through that summary of the book he wrote. I was confused by some of it. What was he basically saying?
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: lines]
#9845093 - 02/22/09 04:26 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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Redstorm said:
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lines said: prana is manifest in peoples biochemicals.
Source?
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: MushroomTrip]
#9845167 - 02/22/09 04:42 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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jivJaN said: Addiction goes against freedom in my book..
My sentiments too. ...However... Where is the line drawn? Is loving a life partner an addiction, is this a restriction of freedom? But if you're happy with having a life partner, then why would it matter? You may be addicted, but its your choice. A weakness and detrimental affect of such an addiction would be that you want out of the relationship, but can't bare to let go. And in these cases i'm inclined to blame the person and not any sense of addiction for their lack of freedom.
This is just weakness no? Or is this just weakness to addiction, like inability to quit smoking? (shit i'm guilty of that - its not that hard - but its so fucking hard >:( ) I don't claim to know the answer.
But i will say...
Different strokes for different folks. Some people are quite happy to have "open" relationships, even with a life partner. Others prefer their relationships exclusive.
IMO. Freedom is in the eye of the beholder. It has different degrees and can mean different things to different people about the same ideas. Some certain government controls maybe necessary to protect some certain freedoms from being compromised by individuals or groups. Counter to that some government controls may restrict some freedoms of others, it may seem minor to some, major to others (i.e gun laws making gun ownership restricted to certain classes of weapons for those who like to hunt etc..)
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: flangenips]
#9847232 - 02/22/09 10:10 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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I have to agree with MushroomTrip for the majority of this discussion. However, I will add my own two cents.
#1 Sexual promiscuity by definition is not inherently good nor evil, right nor wrong. Barring any sort of religious or philosophical lawyering, animals are an excellent example. They have no social order that functions in a negative manner, its clean, efficient, and devoid of such pitiful and narrow minded restrictions. Our large heads like to think of ways to order and quantify. We create illogical correlations.
#2 To remain logical, it is impossible to take a correlation, and then assign a cause to one side or the other. I could just as easily argue that the more oppressive and controlling a state is, the more 'immoral' the people become.
There, all two cents. You can't argue correlation, its just not factual. It'd be like saying that, "Oh, since most people die go to funeral homes, funeral homes are toxic!"
You have no facts, only a series of past events that could be proven one way or another. This is why evolution is still a theory, it can never be repeated. Its simply a correlation like gravity.
One more thing: Find someone you know, but wouldn't normally hug or be affectionate to. Say, a cousin or a good friend. Give them a good hug. Better yet, see if you can get them to give you a hug.
Don't worry, hugs are the gateway drug. They lead to touching, and petting, and sex. Does that mean you'll fuck your cousin? Not likely. You are responsible for every action you take, every thought that races through your synapse. You don't have a choice. The sooner you accept yourself, the sooner you could give a crap about this sort of socio political nonsense and go get that hug.
I'm serious. You can go as far with this idea as you want to. It would be nice to be able to be intensely affectionate with someone, without a social wall forming in your mind, jumping frantically away from the idea because you just might have an intimate thought in your mind. Calm the storm, accept that you are ultimately a sexual being, and get used to it. Carried out responsibly, you can have an intense relationship with every person you ever meet, or you can dust them aside like a leaf in the wind. It all depends on the time and the place and the flow. Society developed when kinks showed up in that system.
Society is the rust on what used to be a well oiled machine, we see it, we know it serves a purpose, and sometimes its less intrusive than others....but we just can't get rid of that shit.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: lines]
#9847489 - 02/22/09 10:40 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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lines said: “Thus, a good man, though a slave, is free; but a wicked man, though a king, is a slave. For he serves, not one man alone, but, what is worse, as many masters as he has vices.” – St. Augustine, City of God
The promotion of sexual promiscuity has the effect of increasing state control in peoples lives. By decreasing peoples pranic level people cloister into a herd mentality and are easily herded and manipulated.
The freedom of a society depends upon the moral state of the ordinary citizens. When people are virtuous a society is free... totalitarianism is the result of immorality.
Pranic level is a term that means a persons level of energy. How much energy their being possess's. Having a large pranic level is the result of avoiding sexual promiscuity and is the result of being virtuous. When people have a large pranic level a society is free. Thus those who believe in freedom should teach people to be virtuous. Thus people should act locally and think cosmically. That which is cosmic is society and to think cosmically means to think of how ones local actions affect society. To think locally means to be attentive to ones individual interactions with people.
"As political and economic freedom diminishes, sexual freedom tends compensatingly to increase."
- Aldous Huxley
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: Poid]
#9848451 - 02/23/09 03:14 AM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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wow i was contemplating this about when this thread got started but it all went on in my mind up til now which i say im way to late to stick any 2 cents in cause this thing is loaded with dimes. aside from the quarter,
hmm i dunno where to touch this at all.
but any who i dont think prana has to do with sex persay s much as it has to deal with jus over all full fillment. im gona have now just reguritate and vomit something from a website.
In Ayurveda, the Prana is further classified into subcategories, referred to as pranas. According to Hindu philosophy these are the vital principles of basic energy and subtle faculties of an individual that sustain physiological processes. There are five pranas or vital currents in the Hindu system:[2]
Prana : Responsible for the beating of the heart and breathing. Prana enters the body through the breath and is sent to every cell through the circulatory system.
Apana : Responsible for the elimination of waste products from the body through the lungs and excretory systems.
Udana : Responsible for producing sounds through the vocal apparatus, as in speaking, singing, laughing, and crying. Also it represents the conscious energy required to produce the vocal sounds corresponding to the intent of the being. Hence Samyama on udana gives the higher centers total control over the body.
Samana : Responsible for the digestion of food and cell metabolism (ie. the repair and manufacture of new cells and growth). Samana also includes the heat regulating processes of the body. Auras are projections of this current. By meditational practices one can see auras of light around every being. Yogis who do special practise on samana can produce a blazing aura at will.
Vyana : Responsible for the expansion and contraction processes of the body, eg. the voluntary muscular system.
i guess thats all im really saying about that. in other words all parana is being responsible for your self, i do so how having sex with someone can make you reliant on them or something.
as i said when i was thinking about this sort of thing when this started being posted by you i was in a snow storm then watch my friend and his girl friend fight then just talked with her for like an hour or 2 about their relationship while trip/rollin.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: flangenips]
#9848482 - 02/23/09 03:44 AM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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"But if you're happy with having a life partner, then why would it matter?" Some people say that a large amount of money would make them "happy".. furthermore , they would constantly strive to hold on to this "happiness" by increasing the amount of money. I would argue that its far from happiness. Heroin addicts want nothing more than to have an endless supply of the substance..it would make them happy.
Well.. some people say i take it too far.. But yes.. i believe long term relationships are like addictions. If you honestly think about it.. families are just like that. To me it seems like the whole scheme is somehow set up to separate people more and more. Take a look at society at this point in time.. We all live in our houses/apartments.. leave to go to work , isolated in a car.. come back to the family environment tired as hell .. go to sleep and do the same thing tomorrow. So the working father , has had it.. everybody wants something.. the wife bitches even though he works his ass off.. the kids dont understand , so they proceed to be annoying in the brief moments of peace this man will get in the comfort of his home.. So it turns out that the only time he can actually relax , is when he goes drinking with his buddies. As time goes by.. this "buddy time" becomes shorter and shorter as the friends get married and carry on having the same dull life he does and as he gets a promotion and his chill time is reduced. Soon enough.. he starts drinking at home.. But they dont get a divorce.. because of the kids... preserving the family. So the father is trying to get away from it all.. The wife starts having an affair because hes not around.. so shes getting away too.. The children are growing up too.. basically using the family to give them shelter and spending money , since the parents are too occupied with their own needs Its like a little web of exploitation.. knowing that you can rely on somebody .. just because hes blood. So the drinking situation in the house gets worse.. he molests the daughter.. the son kills him because of it.. and the mother proceeds to take her own life. ... A bunch of bullshit right ? .. so what kind of families will these kids have when they "grow up" What kind of relationships ? You see where im going with this .. it is somehow constructed to increase the retarded behavior with each new generation. And i believe it all starts with sexual partnership..
I know this can be attributed to other qualities of the individuals comprising the family whole.. but im trying to approach the subject from a different perspective..
f.e. Early civilizations according to McKenna , were conducting mass orgies to avoid the dominator society type, by suppressing the male ego , because once he claims his child... his woman.. his house.. his family.. etc.. the whole notion of a hierarchical society can be traced back to these "values" ,that are somehow developed from evolutionary regressive properties of the humankind.
1.Why wouldnt we all be a family ? All participating in teaching our children instead of limiting their knowledge to teachings of only select few in the inner circle of the family.
2. I dont believe.. however "true" ones love is for his/her partner.. than he/she will not , at some point feel the urge to be unfaithful .. And denying such an urge based on the cultural norm of monogamy that has been enforced ..must somehow be a limitation of "freedom". Which is not to say we should blindly follow all of our urges.. but at least have a good enough reason for it
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: jivJaN]
#9848499 - 02/23/09 04:02 AM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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There are different societies. What do you mean by being "all" a family? All humans? Or whole societies? In fact, all humans are not linked. So, that idea leads to a bigger group, a bigger family, still not "everyone".
Family is also a shelter against hostile individuals. Or at least it should be. A "big family" could have many unwanted individuals inside.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: Kukaracha]
#9848519 - 02/23/09 04:15 AM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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In fact, all humans are not linked.
Actually the reverse could be said.
No more recently has it become quite clear that we are operating in a Global economy.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: Kukaracha]
#9848521 - 02/23/09 04:16 AM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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Kukaracha said: There are different societies. What do you mean by being "all" a family? All humans? Or whole societies? In fact, all humans are not linked. So, that idea leads to a bigger group, a bigger family, still not "everyone".
Family is also a shelter against hostile individuals. Or at least it should be. A "big family" could have many unwanted individuals inside.
you mean like hippies?
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: TameMe]
#9848560 - 02/23/09 04:47 AM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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What about sea, mountains and deserts?
And I think that the idea of "a big family" is a bad one, I'm not a hippy no. : )
Edited by Kukaracha (02/23/09 04:48 AM)
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: Kukaracha]
#9848565 - 02/23/09 04:50 AM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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Kukaracha said: What about sea, mountains and deserts?
And I think that the idea of "a big family" is a bad one, I'm not a hippy no. : )
whats that in reference to
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: thedudenj]
#9848577 - 02/23/09 05:03 AM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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jivJaN's post.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: Kukaracha]
#9849256 - 02/23/09 10:07 AM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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Kukaracha said: There are different societies. What do you mean by being "all" a family? All humans? Or whole societies? In fact, all humans are not linked. So, that idea leads to a bigger group, a bigger family, still not "everyone".
Family is also a shelter against hostile individuals. Or at least it should be. A "big family" could have many unwanted individuals inside.
"One day , when you grow up .. you will have a family of your own " Even our limited language is implying ownership.. possession.
The entire concept of a family .. seems to be a faulty one. My previous statement which you quoted was more like a metaphor leaning towards unity and shared responsibility in the upbringing of children. I agree that the larger the structure , the better chance is for these "unwanted" guests , as you say.. But.. this is not to say that even small families have individuals prone to be "hostile" I even think that when the family circle is smaller.. there is a lesser chance that these negative actions will leave the "circle of trust" , instead of a larger community where these issues will come to the attention of other adults very fast.
In fact.. single mothers that introduce new males to the family have a bigger chance of getting their children mistreated. Again.. because they are not biologically connected.. (or so they think) and they, ironically, do this to gain more stability/protection and to fit in better with the societal norm.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: jivJaN]
#9849616 - 02/23/09 11:26 AM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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jivJaN said: The entire concept of a family .. seems to be a faulty one. My previous statement which you quoted was more like a metaphor leaning towards unity and shared responsibility in the upbringing of children. I agree that the larger the structure , the better chance is for these "unwanted" guests , as you say.. But.. this is not to say that even small families have individuals prone to be "hostile" I even think that when the family circle is smaller.. there is a lesser chance that these negative actions will leave the "circle of trust" , instead of a larger community where these issues will come to the attention of other adults very fast.
In fact.. single mothers that introduce new males to the family have a bigger chance of getting their children mistreated. Again.. because they are not biologically connected.. (or so they think) and they, ironically, do this to gain more stability/protection and to fit in better with the societal norm.
I agree with you, small families tend to make isolated groups. But isn't a bigger group a form of communism? Organization would be difficult. School is already a form of "big family", and we also observe that it's a form of normalization. It seems to me that there is a choice to be made there.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: Kukaracha]
#9849748 - 02/23/09 11:56 AM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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it depends how the group is organized. is it organized culturally or is it organized by the state?
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: lines]
#9849842 - 02/23/09 12:12 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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lines said: “Thus, a good man, though a slave, is free; but a wicked man, though a king, is a slave. For he serves, not one man alone, but, what is worse, as many masters as he has vices.” – St. Augustine, City of God
The promotion of sexual promiscuity has the effect of increasing state control in peoples lives. By decreasing peoples pranic level people cloister into a herd mentality and are easily herded and manipulated.
The freedom of a society depends upon the moral state of the ordinary citizens. When people are virtuous a society is free... totalitarianism is the result of immorality.
Pranic level is a term that means a persons level of energy. How much energy their being possess's. Having a large pranic level is the result of avoiding sexual promiscuity and is the result of being virtuous. When people have a large pranic level a society is free. Thus those who believe in freedom should teach people to be virtuous. Thus people should act locally and think cosmically. That which is cosmic is society and to think cosmically means to think of how ones local actions affect society. To think locally means to be attentive to ones individual interactions with people.
My wife and I polyamorous which means we are free to explore love and sexual relationships with others. People who live honest lives are not easier to control. Enjoying life to its fullest with other open-minded individuals is something we could all strive for. The real problem is all the lying and betrayal going on because of the stupid notion that having many lovers is wrong. It makes sense that a society full of lying and cheating spouses would be easier to control and that maybe the real government control comes from convincing society that promiscuity is wrong.
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Re: Sexual Promiscuity & State Control [Re: lines]
#9850013 - 02/23/09 12:45 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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Which differences do you see? Changing culture is long, state control is hard when you cross a certain line.
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