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Re: Jesus was a Jew *DELETED* [Re: 667]
    #9841962 - 02/21/09 11:05 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

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Re: Jesus was a Jew [Re: voiceofvancouver]
    #9842083 - 02/21/09 11:44 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

An absolutely and refreshing view you have on the bible.
It is a great fucking read!
I can agree with the way things should be...ya know like an eye for an eye and if a mfkr sleeps with another mfkrs wife he should beat him about the ass and ears with a crow bar.......no wait that was something else,anyway you know.
Cool dude!


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Re: Jesus was a Jew *DELETED* [Re: 667]
    #9842169 - 02/22/09 12:10 AM (15 years, 29 days ago)

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Re: Jesus was a Jew [Re: voiceofvancouver]
    #9842225 - 02/22/09 12:31 AM (15 years, 29 days ago)

God fuckin dammmmmit.
Man I love that shit.
Your right the fuck on!
Dude its like a non analogy of the times we live in.
I don't think things were written for the future tense like most people would think,I think that things were going bad for a long time.
I think that mufukas wuz rollin tuff in gowns with fat ass pig stickaz.
Hell yea man.
The Bible... most think is bullshit,and maybe all the Jesus shit never happened and whatnot.But ya know even if it was drenpt up by a madman I have belief in the mufukin code of some of the stuff that was goin down!

Yea the Bible kicks ass as long as it isn't read in terms of,as you say little Bible school boys,because they were freaking ruthless back then like a bunch of gangstaz against God and Gods people against those that were in de`Nile.

Fukna I dig the Bible and I like the fact that your attuned to this in such a way that you can see it for what it is...its a guideline to life...well some of it.
You can take from it what it really means and apply it to things like say...history that keeps,for some reason repeating itself.

Isn`t that funny,we have a guideline and still history repeats itself and the good folk can do nothing to stop it.


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Re: Jesus was a Jew *DELETED* [Re: 667]
    #9842246 - 02/22/09 12:43 AM (15 years, 29 days ago)

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Re: Jesus was a Jew [Re: voiceofvancouver]
    #9842259 - 02/22/09 12:47 AM (15 years, 29 days ago)

Nice man until tomorrow goodnight


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Re: Jesus was a Jew [Re: 667]
    #9842287 - 02/22/09 01:00 AM (15 years, 29 days ago)

goodnight !

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Re: Jesus was a Jew [Re: 667]
    #9842663 - 02/22/09 05:47 AM (15 years, 28 days ago)

Quote:

667 said:
Yea me neither but I would like to know why people believe.
Science denies the fact.





Simple, really. People believe because they choose to.
Just as you don't believe, because you choose not to.
That's one of the great beauties of this frequency. We are, essentially, unfettered, unbound, free to do what we will. BUT, we must pay the price for it, and be prepared to accept the concequences of our choosing, should there turn out to be any.

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Re: Jesus was a Jew [Re: Mycomyth]
    #9842791 - 02/22/09 07:19 AM (15 years, 28 days ago)

Jesus was a human being, and a pretty fucking good one. What happened with Christianity can hardly be blamed on him.

“...the primary epiphenomena of any religion's foundation are the production and flourishment of hypocricy, meglomania and psycopathy, and the first casualties of a religion's establishment are the intentions of its founder." Louis de Bernieres


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Re: Jesus was a Jew [Re: mr_kite]
    #9842823 - 02/22/09 07:40 AM (15 years, 28 days ago)

I know that Babylon is symbolic of evil in The Bible. Or at least that's what I heard. What was happening in Babylon that was evil? What was Babylon like?

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Re: Jesus was a Jew [Re: Mycomyth]
    #9842895 - 02/22/09 08:37 AM (15 years, 28 days ago)

Heres one for you.
My Dad is a scientologist...spelling..?,his sister is a devout catholic.
She has nothing but the Lord in her life.
My Dad wanted to make a few points to her that sent his sister off too ask many questions of her priest.
Well a catholic priest off all....had no answers for her.
And she started asking more questions and more and more
till finally her faith was faltered and she was miserable and alone.

This pissed me off and I called my Dad and told him just because your right in your mind,and I as well think your smart and right ,Does not mean that you can take the one fairy tale from someone that gets them through alot of tough times in life just because you want to make a fucking point.

If your so fucking smart you would have thought of this first.

Some people just have to believe in something even if its not believing at all.

BAD DADDY you go restore your sisters fucking faith immediately!
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Re: Jesus was a Jew [Re: 667]
    #9843195 - 02/22/09 10:44 AM (15 years, 28 days ago)

there's a bit in the gospel of John where Jesus is sitting by a well and a Samaritan woman comes up and he asks her to pull up a bucket of water for him. She asks why a jew would accept water from a Samaritan? Then he makes a subversive point about racism and they become friends.


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Re: Jesus was a Jew [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #9843728 - 02/22/09 01:10 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

A Samaritan woman came to draw water, and Jesus said to her “Give me a drink”. (His disciples had gone to the city to buy food.) The Samaritan woman said to him “How is it that you, a Jew, ask a drink of me, a woman of Samaria?” (Jews do not share things in common with Samaritans.) Jesus answered her “If you knew the gift of God and who it is that is saying to you ‘Give me a drink’ you would have asked him, and he would have given you living water”.’
I like the story as I do many in the bible.

If Jews are so religious and take presidency over most of the bible,why is it I don't see Jews in Christian or catholic or agnostic,Etc..churches?
Surely we are all of the same faith if this is the book that is read in my church.
Jesus was a Jew and yet there are no Jews in my church and we read from the same book and the leading character Jesus is a Jew
whats up with that.
I know Judaism is an ancient belief,so is it that the Bible was a Jew based belief and all the other denominations stole these beliefs and put the name Christianity on it or catholic.
We are all reading the same book yet I see no Jews in my church.

Your post is a subtle stab to my ribs.
Again I will say "I am not a stormtrooper".I dont share the programmed Nazi point of view I speak of free will.
Your cool though:thumbup:

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Re: Jesus was a Jew [Re: 667]
    #9851908 - 02/23/09 06:33 PM (15 years, 27 days ago)

Do you really want answers, or do you just enjoy ranting, because you are comparing apples to oranges when you compare probable historicity with what people believe.
If you really want answers about who, how, and why the New Testament narratives were constructed, read Rev. John Shelby Spong's book Liberating the Gospels: reading the Bible With Jewish Eyes. I just met Rev. Spong a couple of weeks ago and got my copy autographed because it opened my eyes like never before.

Then, if you want to shift conceptual gears and take a more radical stance, read The Jesus Mysteries by Freke & Gandy, who do not assume that Jesus existed as a specific historical figure, but a collage of Mystery Religion demigods recast as the Jewish Messiah.

The whole problem in my own opinion is with literalists. Mythologist Joseph Campbell once defined religion as "mythology misinterpreted," and I concur. That does not mean that religious truth is not true. It means that the truth of religion is to be found in archetypal themes that have occurred to human beings at least since the Gilgamesh Epic was written. It means that life involves a purpose that transcends the physical purpose for mere survival and reproduction, and that they very physical organisms of life reflect Pure Design. If one wishes to extrapolate a Divine Designer, it simply should not be an 'Old Bearded Guy in the Sky,' or else one has a Yahweh or a Zeus or some other projection. On the other hand, God is not necessarily a projection of human mentality; human beinghood can also be the concretization of Divine Ideas.

Divine Heroes - born of gods and mortal women - as in the Incarnation - is pure Hellenism like Heracles or Dionysus. Matthew misread the Old Testament prophesy in the Greek OT (Septuigint) and thus 'young woman' in Hebrew was translated as 'virgin,' because Greek had only one word for both words. The Hebrew original reads 'young woman,' not 'virgin.' The whole virgin birth is 1) based on a mistranslation (Spong) and/or 2) intentional Hellenization of Jewish ideas about the Messiah.

So, study and learn, then complain about why humans choose to remain superstitious instead of working out their enlightenment. Do not wonder why Jews (like myself) did not assume a Christian stance. It was purely Hellenistic in nature. God may "anoint" a man as Messiah, but the Messiah is NOT 'God clothed with flesh!' This is Greek mythos, a hero, a demigod. The Johannine theology has colored the theology of the Synoptics ('same view') of Mark, Matthew and Luke, and took over the mind-set of Christianity. The 'Word' is the 'Logos,' as Philo of Alexandria (a contemporary of Jesus) wrote about it. The author called John no doubt read Philo when he wrote his Gospel some 90-120 years after the Jesus event (whatever it actually was). As Jesus was said to have said (to the Jews): "I am not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance" - Luke 5:32. Therefore, there WERE righteous people according to Jesus' words, despite the bigotry of literalist Christianity.

From a Jewish perspective, Jesus points always to God, not himself. Christian theology equated the two, Jesus never would have. "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered.
"No one is good -- except God alone" - Mark 10:18.

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Re: Jesus was a Jew [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #9851920 - 02/23/09 06:36 PM (15 years, 27 days ago)

Agreed and thanks for the read.
And you can read waiting for Agnus by Joe Bullard.
Its not religious its just some cool reading,
That is if you want.

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Re: Jesus was a Jew [Re: 667]
    #9852006 - 02/23/09 06:52 PM (15 years, 27 days ago)

Let me check it out at Amazon.com, thanks. I read Spong some years ago. My Lady is reading The Jesus Mysteries presently. These perspectives will keep the baby while one tosses out the bathwater. We renew ourselves daily with thoughts and contemplation. There's gold beneath the barnacles my friend.

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Re: Jesus was a Jew [Re: 667]
    #9852034 - 02/23/09 06:57 PM (15 years, 27 days ago)

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Seriously? Well, I can more cheaply visit Coral Castle from where I am in Miami. That's a little steep for a book, even though it seems intriguing. An ingenious engineer doesn't really need occult powers (as Atlantians were said to command).

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