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Over 15psi?
    #9833824 - 02/20/09 02:11 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

well i have to ask... ever since ive been using my protable burner it seems to jump around a tiny bit (psi's).  My question is, what happens when it does jump around?  mine goes from prob 15 to 15 1/2 usually but sometimes even reaches 15 3/4.  how does this effect the grains?  what about 16psi's? (note: breifly stays over 15psi, like i said it jumps a little here and there.)

What about when it goes under a bit? (trying to decide wheter its better to have it go over (up and down) or under (up and down)

Ive noticed w/ the rye, it seems to look a bit more "dehydrated" when it fluctuates.  Im doing wbs right now afetr doing rye for so long its a pian in the ass (especially after using RR's rye tek)


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Re: Over 15psi? [Re: ICdeadPeople]
    #9833854 - 02/20/09 02:15 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

If you have a rocker-weight type PC, then error on the side of under 15psi. You can even keep it at 14psi to completely stop the rocking. If you have one of the valve type, then you can do whatever you like.

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Re: Over 15psi? [Re: Shroominit]
    #9833925 - 02/20/09 02:26 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

well i have the 16 qt presto, it has the a automatic air valve/cover lock, pressure guage, and the "rocker". THIS ONE HERE

what are the effects of 16psi (curious), does it over cook the grains, burn them, or "dehydrate" them somehow??


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Re: Over 15psi? [Re: ICdeadPeople]
    #9833966 - 02/20/09 02:32 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Well, you're cooking at a higher temp.
The difference is gonna be like 1/3 of a degree, maybe a little more or less. I wouldn't worry about that.

The problem with a rocker at that high is that you're gonna lose water really fast. -> possible changes in pressure and possible drying of the PC.

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Re: Over 15psi? [Re: Shroominit]
    #9834118 - 02/20/09 03:03 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Going over pressure when you have a rocker type PC causes the rocker to go nuts, which also causes moisture in your grain jars to escape.  The pressure itself isn't the problem, it's the venting.  I replaced my weight/nozzle on the AA with a valve, and routinely PC at 20 psi.
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Re: Over 15psi? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #9834170 - 02/20/09 03:11 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Going over pressure when you have a rocker type PC causes the rocker to go nuts, which also causes moisture in your grain jars to escape.  The pressure itself isn't the problem, it's the venting.  I replaced my weight/nozzle on the AA with a valve, and routinely PC at 20 psi.
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really, didn't know that and good to know.  How long to u PC at 20 psi?
Also, where did u find such a valve?  the site/company or "created u're own"?


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Re: Over 15psi? [Re: ICdeadPeople]
    #9834279 - 02/20/09 03:39 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I just tape some extra weight on top of the rocker to keep it from going nuts.  In fact, I'm currently pc'ing some wbs and taped a couple of screw bits to it.  I just make sure that I monitor the pressure until it stabilizes.  I found that I can turn the heat down a lot because of it.


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Re: Over 15psi? [Re: vinnyvapor]
    #9834312 - 02/20/09 03:48 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

yep, i now hit 20 psi, and my new "unit" doesn't even make a sound unless it hits 26psi :eek:


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Re: Over 15psi? [Re: Oatman2000]
    #9834337 - 02/20/09 03:53 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

26!!! danm!!
so just tape extra shit to the.. top of the rocker?? what kind of tape do u use?  and again, when pcing at 20psi's, how long do u pc? 90min or less?


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Re: Over 15psi? [Re: ICdeadPeople]
    #9834373 - 02/20/09 03:59 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I would still run it the same amount of time.
Hey RR what are the effects of hitting 18-26psi when using filter patch bags.  they are the sporeworks ones or whatever.  I think that they all sell Unicorn bags anyway, but in smaller quantity


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Re: Over 15psi? [Re: ICdeadPeople]
    #9834396 - 02/20/09 04:03 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I just used regular ole scotch tape.  Since the rocker isn't, well, rocking, the tape holds up just fine


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Re: Over 15psi? [Re: vinnyvapor]
    #9834424 - 02/20/09 04:09 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Please be careful guys. PC's won't kill you, but they are dangerous and can detonate. I don't want to see any shroomerites in the hospital.

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Re: Over 15psi? [Re: Shroominit]
    #9834462 - 02/20/09 04:19 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I'm actually irrationally paranoid about the pc blowing up.  That's why I watch it like a hawk until it stabilizes around 15 psi.  I'm too scared to make it go any higher.  Mine has a rubber plug as an emergency release and I always make sure that it's on the far side of the pc when I check the pressure.  I have a picture in my head of the scalding water bursting forth all over me, which is why I treat my pc like a loaded gun.

RR, what kind of modifications did you make to your pc?


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Re: Over 15psi? [Re: ICdeadPeople]
    #9834471 - 02/20/09 04:21 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

over 9000!!!!!!!


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Re: Over 15psi? [Re: kami]
    #9834520 - 02/20/09 04:33 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I actually treat my PC better than a loaded gun... guess that's why I almost shot myself in the foot that one time. Thought I was out of bullets and pulled the trigger. Ended up with a hole about 1/4" away from my foot.

The PC (non-electric ones) gets my attention until it reaches 15psi, then I stay in the room until it completes.

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Re: Over 15psi? [Re: Shroominit]
    #9834599 - 02/20/09 04:50 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I replaced the nozzle and weight assembly with a 1/8" NPT(national pipe thread) stopcock, available at any NAPA auto parts store. They're intended for use as radiator drain valves. I open it up to allow the PC to vent and then slowly close it after ten minutes or so of venting.  The valve itself only cost $1.50, so it's a lot cheaper than the rocker valve AA sells.  I like it better because I can leave it slightly cracked if I want to.

However, I don't recommend the above modification to anyone who tends to drink or smoke out while the PC is running.  You're defeating half your safety factor by doing so.  With that valve closed, the only thing to keep the PC from blowing is that black rubber plug, and if it blows out, you're screwed because it usually destroys it, and you're down until you order and receive another.

I don't use less time when I go 20 PSI because I live at altitude in the mountains, so the extra few PSI in actuality only give me roughly the same temp as I had when I lived in Seattle at sea level.  I PC quart/liter grain jars for 90 minutes, and 5 lb filter patch bags for 120 minutes.
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Re: Over 15psi? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #9834647 - 02/20/09 04:59 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks for the info!


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Re: Over 15psi? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #9834759 - 02/20/09 05:21 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

RR do you have any pictures of this valve?  I'd love to see.


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Re: Over 15psi? [Re: shroomzey]
    #9834840 - 02/20/09 05:37 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

this is the AA #65 valve.  Just my MO but I stick to factory parts when it comes to my PC.  Not saying anything bad about the alternative valve but I paid 450$ for this bad boy and an additional 15$ is chump change to me if something should fail with the aftermarket one.



Yes agreed most definetly.  I fell asleep once and pc'd some jars for 4 hrs and the the jiggle woke me up.  On the other hand I like doing my bags and just turning the stove off and going to bed.  The stopcock valve will not suck in any contam air.  I have a 100% contam free success rate opening my PC the following day after venting it via alcohol towel.  sealing the bags in open air.  lots of oust, central heat and air shut off, medical mask, bouffant cap, gloves, tyvek sleeves, OH and alcohol 70%.

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Re: Over 15psi? [Re: ICdeadPeople]
    #9835424 - 02/20/09 08:22 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

i cook at 24 psi. i feel safer that way. i do pack mine full of bags though so 2hrs at 24 psi promises success.

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Re: Over 15psi? [Re: durban_poison]
    #9835483 - 02/20/09 08:37 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

fuck yeah.  what kind of spawn bags do you use.  I pack 9 bags in there with 40lbs of dry seed/hydrated and bagged however much that weighs per bag.  it works though but it took me awhile to get it down.  I cook at 15+ psi for 2.5 hrs.

if I can reduce that too 2 hrs that would be great but I used to do 4 hrs at the suggestion of another user.  I did have a lot of trouble with pin holes in the bags for awhile and never could determine if it was from heat spikes in excess of 18+ lbs

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Re: Over 15psi? [Re: Shroominit]
    #9835601 - 02/20/09 09:13 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Please be careful guys. PC's won't kill you, but they are dangerous and can detonate. I don't want to see any shroomerites in the hospital.



yea thats what i thought therefore i asked.  my guage say "Danger" over 20 lol.  thats y i was a bit suprised by ppl doing 20.

Def will check those valves out tho... well c.  do u think the one RR was talking bout be good for a Presto (like mine, link above).  not sure if the rockers are a universal size or differ in AA.


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Re: Over 15psi? [Re: ICdeadPeople]
    #9835654 - 02/20/09 09:25 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I don't recommend anyone modify their PC.  I modified mine, but often don't practice what I preach.  I'm an engineer by profession, and don't drink or get high anymore, so am willing to do things my own way if I judge it in my professional opinion to be safe.  No one should EVER go to sleep while running a pressure cooker, and even when staying awake, always set a timer.
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Re: Over 15psi? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #9835681 - 02/20/09 09:31 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

yeah my 941 sometimes its such a sweet baby and other times it creeks and hisses on occasion which sends me bolting into the kitchen to check on it.  Its always fine though.  I did not go to sleep on purpose it was just one of those long long long nights of prepping stuff up.

also.  If something should go wrong and the stop cock valve does not trip and the blowout plug doesnt blow which would make a huge mess anyway.  The PC is like a gigantic pipe bomb so kiss your kitchen goodbye if that happens.  the cops are probably gonna show up too.
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Re: Over 15psi? [Re: JSshroom]
    #9837070 - 02/21/09 03:27 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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fuck yeah.  what kind of spawn bags do you use.  I pack 9 bags in there with 40lbs of dry seed/hydrated and bagged however much that weighs per bag.  it works though but it took me awhile to get it down.  I cook at 15+ psi for 2.5 hrs.

if I can reduce that too 2 hrs that would be great but I used to do 4 hrs at the suggestion of another user.  I did have a lot of trouble with pin holes in the bags for awhile and never could determine if it was from heat spikes in excess of 18+ lbs

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Re: Over 15psi? [Re: durban_poison]
    #9838065 - 02/21/09 11:06 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

the black plug will blow. I forget what pressue is needed to blwo the plug but it is a lot lower then needed to blow up an aluminium pot.


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Re: Over 15psi? [Re: tahoe]
    #9840306 - 02/21/09 05:46 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

well that would defeat the purpose of the blowout plug which is 30 lbs.  An AA pressure cooker will take the heat though.  I cant speak for any of the lower models though as I have never used them.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/1352708

someone else's experience to back it up.  Also the legend user agar has several posts about his blowout plug coming out in his forgetful moments and making a huge fucking mess!


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Re: Over 15psi? [Re: ICdeadPeople]
    #28441003 - 08/20/23 07:18 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I have an instapot type cooker that operates at 80 lbs. Will this still work? Or will it kill any nutrients not only in the grain but the lme?

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    #28441028 - 08/20/23 07:37 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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I have an instapot type cooker that operates at 80 lbs. Will this still work? Or will it kill any nutrients not only in the grain but the lme?




Those run at 80 kPa, not 80 pounds. 80 kPa = 11.6 psi. The brand name instantpots work better than the off-brands for sterilizing. They are usable but not recommended because you can't fit much in it and the cycle times are super long.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6289433/

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=2&Number=27090797&fpart=&PHPSESSID=

I've been running everything on high for at least 150 mins. Also, I'm too new at this to say if it's effective or not. Good luck!

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Re: Over 15psi? [Re: NotFromGeorgia]
    #28463997 - 09/10/23 05:23 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Those run at 80 kPa, not 80 pounds. 80 kPa = 11.6 psi.




They go a little past 15psi at the start. And I have yet to test, but I think if you continually restarted the unit it might go up to 15psi repeatedly.

There is also a way to adjust sensors inside which can get it up higher, but obviously the repeated cycling is safer and most would not be comfortable adjusting things.


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