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yakub ben yosef
    #982584 - 10/22/02 01:05 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

cnn:
a funeral box with aramaic inscription translating "james, son of joseph, brother of jesus" has been made public in jerusalem...
james the just, martyred early leader of the jerusalem christian community (death utterance: 'forgive them, they do not know what they are doing' ; mentioned in josephus' history of the jewish rebellion, late 1st century c.e.)
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Re: yakub ben yosef [Re: gnrm23]
    #982694 - 10/22/02 01:46 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Can you imagine being the little bro' of Jesus? That's some pretty damn high expectations to meet...


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Re: yakub ben yosef [Re: gnrm23]
    #982763 - 10/22/02 02:12 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

but a brother who would show you the way, and most certainly NOT by making you read the bible...  :grin:


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Re: yakub ben yosef [Re: In(di)go]
    #982783 - 10/22/02 02:21 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

true enough, and I don't mean to get Sclorch-ish on you, but the bible wasn't written when Jesus was up and kicken' it




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Re: yakub ben yosef [Re: nubious]
    #982790 - 10/22/02 02:25 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

sclorch-ish... lol

i know i know... but the bible used to contain a lot of jesus' teachings... until the church removed everything he ever said about reincarnation and meditation from it... so it has sadly become a mass manipulation tool...


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Re: yakub ben yosef [Re: In(di)go]
    #982821 - 10/22/02 02:40 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

you know i dont really know much about the teachings of jesus ... well i mean what the church didn't touch, before it was fucked up.

any links, books, or a elabortion by you.

thanx in advance


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Re: yakub ben yosef [Re: Kemist]
    #983408 - 10/22/02 04:55 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

do a websearch on the gospel of thomas


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Re: yakub ben yosef [Re: Kemist]
    #983416 - 10/22/02 04:58 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

gnrm23- I read that today, too... I was wondering how soon it would be posted here. hehehe

Kemist: you know i dont really know much about the teachings of jesus ... well i mean what the church didn't touch, before it was fucked up.
any links, books, or a elabortion by you.


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Re: yakub ben yosef [Re: Sclorch]
    #983450 - 10/22/02 05:06 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

so what all did the church remove from the bibles teachings?


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Re: yakub ben yosef [Re: GrowingVines]
    #983501 - 10/22/02 05:17 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

It isn't so much what the removed as what the decided not to include...

Basically anything that could not be "proven" legit and anything that they didn't understand or that went against the churches motives was left out...

Read the gospel of thomas for a good example of something that was left out...


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Re: yakub ben yosef [Re: GrowingVines]
    #983567 - 10/22/02 05:32 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

In reply to:

so what all did the church remove from the bibles teachings?




Many things. Relating to this case, Josephus writings have some importance for judaism not christianism, although he describes some part of the christian rising, the church doesn't give almost any credit to him.
To some, his books about judaic insurection should not be taken as historicals facts by many reasons. One that causes many disputes is the history about Masada insurection, there are several aspects on Josephus writtings that contradic many archeological findings, his description are taken as dubious in some points. Some even refuse to quote him.

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Re: yakub ben yosef [Re: In(di)go]
    #984633 - 10/22/02 10:12 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Transmigration - metempsychosis - called 'gilgul' in Jewish mysticism (Kabbala) first appeared in the Sefer ha Bahir in 1180 A.D. Except for the passage attributed to Jesus in John 3:3, which is about a spiritual birth ("...Spirit gives birth to spirit"), there is no real doctrine of either reincarnation or rebirth in the New or Old Testaments. That certain Church fathers such as Origen, who was considered heretical later on, spoke of transmigration, and the doctrine thrown out of Christianity at the Council of Chalcedon in 553 A.D. (because it afforded too much time for the process of salvation), it has never had a real place in Christianity proper, and only in mystical Jewish circles. Jesus did not teach this for the good reason that the essence of Man (called the Inner Man by Paul) is of a spiritual nature, not a psychic nature. It is a 'psychic' understanding of man (as soul or psyche, not spirit) that understands man to be a discreet entity capable of transmigrating.

Meditation in a Biblical sense means a dwelling upon scriptural words. Contemplation of a wordless, imageless apprehension of God's immediate Presence, was never layed out systematicaly as it was in say, Indian religion. In Christianity, the Ultimate state is only partly available to us (partially realized eschatology it is called) unless we are mystics. John's Gospel, and moreso, Thomas' Gospel takes us to an contemplative awareness of God's presence, here and now. This is developed most systematically by the Greek Orthodox Hesychast (Tranquility) monks of Mt. Athos, Greece, who seek to 'find the Place of the Heart' by way of the Jesus Prayer.


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Re: yakub ben yosef [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #985181 - 10/23/02 12:56 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

escellent post markos! thanks for your info... it is greatly apprecieated


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Re: yakub ben yosef [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #985373 - 10/23/02 01:56 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: yakub ben yosef [Re: World Spirit]
    #985821 - 10/23/02 07:44 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Hey Dude, in your zeal to show me up, you failed to actually comprehend my post. Read it again - slow-ly. It does speak to being born of the Spirit. I was referring to the Hindu and Buddhist conceptions of Reincarnation and Rebirth - RESPECTIVELY, because those doctrines of metempsychosis are markedly different from one another.

The reappearance of Elijah is so taken-for-granted in Jewish culture, that it was established in the crucifixion stories, so that when Jesus prayed the 22nd Psalm's first line: "Eli, Eli lama sabachthani?" ["My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken me?"], onlookers thought He was calling for 'Eli,' or Elijah to reappear, as predicted. Moreover, throughout childhood, at Passover; a child was asked to go to the door and answer a knock. In my family, the folks would prop up a mop with a bag and face, that would fall into the room and startle the child. Jewish joke - you'd have to be there. See, at Passover, you set an extra place setting for Elijah the Prophet to join you at the table.

LIGHTEN UP enter. You take the serious stuff lightly, and the light stuff too
seriously. This Elijah stuff is Jewish folklore - has been since the time of Jesus - it ain't doctrine or immutable Truth. Silly Goyim.


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Re: yakub ben yosef [Re: In(di)go]
    #985825 - 10/23/02 07:48 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks. We all seek clarity - can't stand the haze of half-truths m'self - hard to live by 'em.


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    #986224 - 10/23/02 12:21 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: yakub ben yosef [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #986238 - 10/23/02 12:25 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

in the christian gospels, jesus asks his followers who people say that he is; and recieves answers such as: elijah, moses, john the baptist...
when he asks simon peter ("rocky") the answer is "the annointed, the messiah, the son of the living god"...
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Re: yakub ben yosef [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #986263 - 10/23/02 12:34 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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in man's center lives the truth
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(oy, like 35+ years since latin classes for me... can a dead language acquire rust? or at least patina? :wink: ...)
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heh, remember what happens to heretics who fall into the hands of those who keep pure the truth...
hus
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censure
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excommunication
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Re: yakub ben yosef [Re: gnrm23]
    #987163 - 10/23/02 06:10 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

'Truth Lives in the Inner Person' was the translation I used, but I like yours even better! Wow! How is it that you took Latin? Catholic school?


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