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Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party??
#980850 - 10/21/02 08:00 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't understand why anyone would vote for either Republican or Democratic politicians.
Both the Republicans and the Democrats are career politicians. Career politicians base their decisions on what will get them elected or re-elected. They don't give a shit about you and I unless it's in their best interests.
Why do people vote for career politicians? I don't get it. These people are our oppressors.
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: Learyfan]
#980881 - 10/21/02 08:13 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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I agree with you somewhat. However, sometimes it is necessary to take the good with the bad. Let's face it, we have a two party system (at a national level). I'll use myself as an example. Here is a list of my agreements with Democrat and Republican views
Agree: R: Pro Gun R: Reduce taxes, reform SS, pro-business R: Pro-military D: Anti-abortion D: Pro-stem cell research
Granted there are a few more that I didn't list on both sides, but I tend to lean more towards the Republican side.
My other side says, "Fuck them all and vote Libertarian." This side seems to be gaining control with the War on Drugs becoming ever more intrusive and limiting on states' rights, and other Christian Right annoyances.
So I guess I am really torn between your arguement and the party system arguement. I'm hoping weed will be legalized in Nevada and that mentality will spread.
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: Anonymous]
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aren't democraps pro-choice?
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: Abudiwa]
#981168 - 10/21/02 09:42 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, it's the republicans that are pro-choice.
I think the feeling from a lot of people is that third parties are a waste of a vote because they won't get elected anyways, so they go for the lesser of two evils.
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: Learyfan]
#981894 - 10/22/02 03:40 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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I consider myself Libertarian, but almost never vote that way. Sadly many who vote Libertarian (IMO) would have voted Republican. As a result many votes which would have helped put a Republican in office instead wind up helping a Democrat into office. As most Dems are liberal, this has helped to create a country where many do not look out for themselves and instead look to the government to do it for them. The more the government gets it's fingers into things the worse off we all are. Do I agree with everything the Repubs stand for? Fuck no. Nor do I hate everything the Dems do. I do believe liberal policies have severly damaged the well being of our country with all their vote buying schemes.
Take care of yourselves and any friends or family that need it. Stay as far away from handout programs as you can. It will help keep you from being dependent on the government.
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: Learyfan]
#981899 - 10/22/02 03:47 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Most of the electorate do not vote.
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: Learyfan]
#981912 - 10/22/02 04:05 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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I am a bull-moose.
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: Phluck]
#981927 - 10/22/02 04:21 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Yeah, it's the republicans that are pro-choice.
Uh huh, and the democrats that are pro-abortion.  Abidawa was right the first time.
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: Abudiwa]
#981984 - 10/22/02 04:57 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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RE: "aren't democraps pro-choice?"
I am a Democrat, however some of of us are PRO-LIFE!
(people vote based on there billfolds)
Liberials rule!!!!!!!!
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: Phluck]
#982048 - 10/22/02 05:36 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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****Yeah, it's the republicans that are pro-choice.****
no most libbies are pro-death..er choice...consevatives tend to be pro-life
As a side note i would never vote for a third party until there is an actual candidate that really wants to win (unlike harry browne who thinks he should be elected just on the basis that he is a libertarian...same goes for the wackjobs like Nadar)
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: Innvertigo]
#982197 - 10/22/02 07:33 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Erm... that was a brain fart. I meant to type that democrats are pro-choice.
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: Phluck]
#982215 - 10/22/02 07:44 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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we're all alowed to have one...you used yours up.
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: Phluck]
#982217 - 10/22/02 07:45 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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In reply to:
I think the feeling from a lot of people is that third parties are a waste of a vote because they won't get elected anyways, so they go for the lesser of two evils.
That's the whole problem. Even though you're voting for the "lesser of two evils", you're STILL voting for evil. You're still voting for the man who would LOVE to lock your ass up for life for having an E pill or a tab of acid.
Vote your heart, not who or who doesn't have a chance to win. Things will never change if we keep voting in our oppressors.
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: Learyfan]
#982245 - 10/22/02 08:03 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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I agree.
And actually vote, you lazy fuckers.
Why the hell are half the people not even voting? I don't get it.
If you don't vote, you have absolutely no right to complain about who's in office.
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Edited by Phluck (10/22/02 08:03 AM)
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: Phluck]
#982254 - 10/22/02 08:11 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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***If you don't vote, you have absolutely no right to complain about who's in office. ***
This has to be the smartest thing you have ever said in your entire life here at the shroomery.....i sense you're in the midst of some sort of philosophical change......either that or you're sober
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: Innvertigo]
#982288 - 10/22/02 08:35 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Huh? No, I've always felt that way, and I've voted every chance I've had. For leftists.
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: Phluck]
#982800 - 10/22/02 12:32 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Let's hear from some Republicans and Democrats.
Why would you vote for career politicians who would love to lock you up for your drug use? Career politicians who are owned by corporations?
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: Learyfan]
#982814 - 10/22/02 12:38 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Im all Green Party baby!!! I thought a lot more people here would be Green too!
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: bluesky]
#982823 - 10/22/02 12:40 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Still if everyone in the country voted for the Green party, they still wouldnt get elected. The voters dont even have control over the polls. This is definately not a citizen affected society.
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: Learyfan]
#982902 - 10/22/02 01:11 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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GREEN PARTY
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: angryshroom]
#983010 - 10/22/02 01:28 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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I voted for Ralph. BTW I heard Winona LaDuke talk on the radio the other day. I had no idea what a cool woman she was. No idea. It made me proud that I pulled the Green Party lever in 2000 --despite all the flack I had to take for it later. Anybody that doesn't know who Winona LaDuke is here issomething I dug up quickly on the web.
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: bluesky]
#983373 - 10/22/02 02:46 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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i can't stand Nadar and his tin foil hat brigade
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: Phluck]
#983392 - 10/22/02 02:52 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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"If you don't vote, you have absolutely no right to complain about who's in office. "
You're absolutly right about that.......... However, if you are uninformed about the issues/candidates, or are just ignorant in general, you should abstain from voting.
If you are going to the booth every chance you get but are still unsure are about which party line typically supports the Roe V. Wade decision, I think you should re-evaluate your competency to vote. Wouldn't want you having a "brain fart" when you went to cast your decsion.
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: bluesky]
#983411 - 10/22/02 02:56 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nader and the Green Party have high and worthy ideals...................
However, the Nader agenda would mean more government intrusion into people's lives and commerce than ever before in Amerikan history.
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: Viveka]
#983420 - 10/22/02 02:58 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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****However, the Nader agenda would mean more government intrusion into people's lives and commerce than ever before in Amerikan history. ****
that was my point.
i'm pro-individualism
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: bluesky]
#983601 - 10/22/02 03:40 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Actually, yes, if everyone in the country did vote for the green party, they would get elected.
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: Phluck]
#983694 - 10/22/02 03:57 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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And the world is changing fast... Change will come soon whether we like it or not. I think we're seeing that now since the war on terrorism began -at least a facet of that change. I think the Green Party's ideals are more realistic than the current partys'.
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: frogsheath]
#983697 - 10/22/02 03:59 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes, I was wrong way way up above. I agree with the Democtrats' pro-choice view, I just worded it wrong.
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: Anonymous]
#983871 - 10/22/02 04:38 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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****I was wrong way way up above***
tooo late....your first opinion still stands.......
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: Learyfan]
#983884 - 10/22/02 04:42 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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In reply to:
Why would you vote for career politicians who would love to lock you up for your drug use?
Because I'm not a single issue voter.
Here's the way I see it. Candidate 1 = Evil Candidate 2 = Not as evil Candidate 3 = Good Guy
Let's say it's a close race between 1 & 2. You like 3 but he has no chance of winning. You vote for 3 because he's "your guy". 3 gets 10 %, 2 gets 43%, 1 gets 47%. Now I realize we have no way of being sure that those who voted for 3 would have voted for 2, but your vote for 3 helped ensure that we are stuck with an evil asshole for 4 years.
Another analogy..... you have a choice betweeh someone who kicks you in the ass, or someone who kicks you in the balls. You can't stop either from kicking you. Who would you choose?
Now.... I truly wish an actual Libertarian stood a chance of getting elected. Face it though, with our current system they don't. (now anyway) That leaves me with two imperfect choices. I'm going to vote for the lesser of two evils.
I find liberal politicians by far the more evil of the two.
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#984097 - 10/22/02 05:50 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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In reply to:
I find liberal politicians by far the more evil of the two.
I know your republican or Libertarian, and agree with more of their veiws than the liberals, however, you really think they are more evil?
George W, and Slick Willy are both not good examples of party leaders however, do you really think Bill was more evil than GW? It seems like GW is willing to kill anyone for his oil, and wrap up anything that happend in the middle East with his father.
I mean, there aren't many foriegn country leaders who really appreciate his views either. Seems at least Clinton was more for peace, and less killing. (Or you could say he was just trying to ignore it?)
Maybe its just me, but there seems to be a lot more violence since the election of GW. Seems like we are always "going to war".
Another thing about GW...and yes, most democrats...they dont give a fuck about the envoirnment. Tell me how are we going to live w/o clean water and oxygen? And my most important question...whats going to happen with all the cars, boats, planes, trains and motorcycles when we run out of oil, or have to pay $10/gal ?
His more well known anti-envoirnmental action was backing out of the global-warming treaty. He didn't want to cost his soft money providers any expenses into cleaner technology... or at least what I think.
Like to hear a response from you, luvdemshrooms,(if your not too sick from replying to the same questions everyday...hah) I like reading your posts, I can tell you are an educated individual... I enjoy opening my mind to other opinions.
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: angryshroom]
#984173 - 10/22/02 06:15 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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In reply to:
you really think they are more evil?
Yes I do. However if the word evil isn't to your liking, how about misguided? Basically though, I don't care for most politicians and generally vote (since the choices are so poor) for the lesser of two evils.
In reply to:
do you really think Bill was more evil than GW?
Hell yes. By far. If oil is a factor in Bush's actions, and I don't believe it is, then it at least isn't the major factor. I believe he's a far better man (and president) than Clinton. I would have rather seen a better choice from the Republicans though.
In reply to:
Seems at least Clinton was more for peace
I think the only thing Clinton was for was for Clinton and his personal gain.
In reply to:
whats going to happen with all the cars, boats, planes, trains and motorcycles when we run out of oil, or have to pay $10/gal ?
I think we'll be using hydrogen or some other source for our power long before we run out of oil.
In reply to:
His more well known anti-envoirnmental action was backing out of the global-warming treaty.
That treaty was flawed. If Bush had signed it I would have been very disappointed in him. It was biased against the US. Clinton was unable to get the Senate to ratify it even with a Democratic majority. Should we do something to help protect the enviroment? Yes, but the Kyoto treaty wasn't it.
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: angryshroom]
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"I mean, there aren't many foriegn country leaders who really appreciate his (GW's) views either. "
So what, man. I used to care about this, but now i just think so fucking what. Our "allies" are never gonna support the "American Way" but America is going to do what its going to do anyway, basically regardless or wether a repub. or demo. is in office..................also, FUCK FRANCE! And Germany too, those bastards. We bailed them all out big time on more than one occasion.
"Maybe its just me, but there seems to be a lot more violence since the election of GW. Seems like we are always "going to war"."
You may have forgotten, but about a year ago two planes were flown into the world trade center........this MIGHT have something to do with it. Do you think if Gore was elected there would have been no retaliation from the US?
"And my most important question...whats going to happen with all the cars, boats, planes, trains and motorcycles when we run out of oil, or have to pay $10/gal ?"
Sad as it is, I think our only hope for ever embracing alternative energy is when all the oil does run out. Then, there will be no more money to be made in it. Right now, there are too many giant companies with too much money to be made in it (which really has nothing to do with who is president right now, which you seem to realize.)
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: Phluck]
#984369 - 10/22/02 07:14 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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"Actually, yes, if everyone in the country did vote for the green party, they would get elected."
Not necesarilly. The electoral college does not have to vote the same way the populous does. Yes, I know it sounds discouraging but it is an essential balance in the system. The executive branch needs to be checked, the legislative branch needs to be checked, the Judicial branch needs to be checked, and so do the people.
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: Viveka]
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If one hundred percent of the popular vote went to the greens, and another party was placed in office, I think I might just have to flee the country.
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
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No shit!
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
#984636 - 10/22/02 08:12 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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If one hundred percent of the popular vote went to the greens, I think I might just have to flee the country.
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#984922 - 10/22/02 09:33 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Still, think about it... Ford, GMC, Chevy are still mainly advertising large SUV's and larger trucks. I mean, I have never seen so many deisel trucks (that aren't used for commercial usage).
Seems like we will just repeat history, as Japan created lighter, more durable metals back in the 70's to make cars more efficent (among other engine changes), we created heavier gas-guzlers...
Same things happening now. We are creating larger cars when the fact that oil could run out within 15 years.
The heavier cars, the less pollution standards for the car. If you have a large car that has to use a high-output engine, the smog standards are higher.
Whats going to happen to all the internal combustion engines? (===> Ocean?) doh!
Im glad you do care about the envoirnment in some sense. I do understand that we can not change to a Naturalist economy to solve everything, however I think its something that everyone should start to realize...the envoirnment is something not to toy with. Our destruction will kill us soon enough! I have read a book in my resource and economics class called the Naturalist revolution which I think is extremely optimistic, but, boy it would be a eutopia if only half of the changes took place...(and well helped our economy like the author hoped for!)
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You may have forgotten, but about a year ago two planes were flown into the world trade center........this MIGHT have something to do with it. Do you think if Gore was elected there would have been no retaliation from the US?
To be honest with you, (may call me crazy heh) but, I dont think it would have happend if anyone else was elected. I feel that it was a threat against the Bush regime in America. **I have heard*** his foriegn policies aren't very favorable...and whoever did it (supposidly the middle eastern region of the world) did not like him in office .
You call that crazy, but think what we are doing to Afganistan, we are killing inocent civilians because we are against their government. Same with Iraq, of course we have not begun to bomb them just yet.
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FUCK FRANCE! And Germany too, those bastards. We bailed them all out big time on more than one occasion
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You may have forgotten, but about a year ago two planes were flown into the world trade center
Dont seem to mix that well
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: Learyfan]
#996105 - 10/27/02 01:39 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Because the third party never wins so you pick the lesser of two evils since you know it's going to come down to one of them regardless.
I'm 21 and haven't ever voted before. 99% of politicians are bullshitters. If I notice one who is decidedly independant and not for keeping the status quo, and not running on some platform of issues that really aren't the real issues, by all means I'll vote for them. I couldn't even name one right now.
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: ]
#996375 - 10/27/02 07:53 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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****99% of politicians are bullshitters****
99%? that's a pretty conservative guess isn't it...i say 99.999999%..if not 100%
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: Learyfan]
#1024022 - 11/05/02 11:09 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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here in PA the ballet had three state offices wich the ballet had only two people running. For each office there was a libertarian running against either a dem or rep. I voted libertarian on all three. But for gov I voted rep so that the dem would not win (even though he is probly going to anyway). I think libertarians are trying to take over state offices and I hope they do. A libertarian ran state would be very good.
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: ehud]
#1024118 - 11/05/02 11:36 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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A libertarian run country would be even better.
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1024615 - 11/05/02 02:19 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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I just voted.
I voted for a female independent, and a Democrat(only other choice was Rep).
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1032692 - 11/07/02 01:37 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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>>Because I'm not a single issue voter.
Here's the way I see it. Candidate 1 = Evil Candidate 2 = Not as evil Candidate 3 = Good Guy
Let's say it's a close race between 1 & 2. You like 3 but he has no chance of winning. You vote for 3 because he's "your guy". 3 gets 10 %, 2 gets 43%, 1 gets 47%. Now I realize we have no way of being sure that those who voted for 3 would have voted for 2, but your vote for 3 helped ensure that we are stuck with an evil asshole for 4 years.<<
Jesus Christ, it's a fucking election, not a horse race. You vote for the guy you like, not the one WHOM YOU THINK will win.
>>Now.... I truly wish an actual Libertarian stood a chance of getting elected. Face it though, with our current system they don't. <<
You're not helping.
This philosophy is just as bad as choosing not to vote.
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: YidakiMan]
#1033005 - 11/07/02 02:49 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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You vote for the guy you like, not the one WHOM YOU THINK will win.
To me, that's just foolish. By voting for the guy you like whom has no chance of winning, you take a vote away from the guy, who while not perfect, is at least better than the bad guy. If hovever we had a runoff system, where if no candidate got more than 50% there would be a runoff election, then I'd agree with you.
I don't like having to vote for the lesser of two evils. I'd rather do that though than help the more evil of the two into office.
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You're not helping.
If you believe that... fine. I believe that I am by keeping the more evil candidate out of office.
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This philosophy is just as bad as choosing not to vote.
No, deliberatley voting for a candidate who cannot win, while allowing the more evil of the two to win, is far far worse.
Now, if evil had 30%, not as evil had 60%, I certainley vote for the best man to send a message.
Until better candidates are selected or a runoff system of elections is put into place, I'll stick with my system.
I'm a realist.
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: YidakiMan]
#1033104 - 11/07/02 03:22 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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on the ballot the other day there was a position for represenative where two men man. One was Republican the other Libertarian. I voted Libertarian because I figured why the hell not. The race was of course not even close. like 88 to 12 I guess you would think that if everybody really wanted third parties in office they would be winning things. The country is designed for two parties. Who would be the minorty leader if there were two minorities. Or even ten minorities. I may not be worse, but it would def be diffrent.
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1035705 - 11/08/02 10:07 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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>>I'll stick with my system. <<
Then reap the consequences without opening your mouth in protest. For you are responsible for the consequences you shall receive.
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: YidakiMan]
#1040154 - 11/10/02 12:53 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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you people have to understand that the libertarians, as any other groups, have their own agenda... they want to get rid of the minimum wage for god's sake!!! now imagine going to taco bell (or whatever other shit job) and get paid $1.85 an hour!!!! jeeebus! that's fucked up! what about meat inspection? sorry, the gov't does that, and libertarians don't want gov't doing anything so you have to get sick from salmonella and eat cat food at restaurants. how about enviromental standards? try that leaded gasoline in your engine. a 3rd party is needed, but the libertarians are NOT it. we need more humane republicans that are willing to stand up for end of War On Drugs and the enviroment, while retaining our liberty to buy whatever we want and sell whatever (mostly) we want. to keep the economy in good shape and keep us safe. to make good foreign policy decisions and be good to other countries. that's what we need. but before we get these magical politicians, we have to think what gets a politician in office. WE DO. so we have to GET OUT AND VOTE and vote for those that stand behind the issues we want so politicans don't have any choice but back our decisions or get booted (that's representative democracy, folks!)
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: dickdeadly]
#1040834 - 11/10/02 11:37 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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The Green Party are IT.
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: dickdeadly]
#1086307 - 11/26/02 12:19 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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RE: "they want to get rid of the minimum wage for god's sake!!! now imagine going to taco bell (or whatever other shit job) and get paid $1.85 an hour!!!!"
There are a lot of other changes this party (Libertarians) would endorse to change to change America as well. As I understand it the only real purpose for the Goverment would be National Defense... nothing more... no driver licence... no IRS... no social security... nothing...
Most see a vote for this party as a "protest vote" to wake others up, nothing more.
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: Phluck]
#1086348 - 11/26/02 12:40 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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"Why the hell are half the people not even voting? I don't get it.
If you don't vote, you have absolutely no right to complain about who's in office. "
Why the hell should I have voted? There's no use.
But I don't really complain.
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#1087775 - 11/26/02 01:35 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: ]
#1087968 - 11/26/02 02:34 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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They are totally incompetant in actually finishing what they start- why would they be competant? Theyve never had decent experience in running a country.
The most competant politicians become dictators. The most competant managers are in business, not government. Do you think our current government is efficiently run? If any business were to cook the books like the federal government, the managers would be arrested, their accounting practices are worse than Enron's. When they make bad decisions, instead of cutting off the funding (as would happen in the private sector), they throw more money at the problem... and more... and more... Examples: the 'war on poverty' (started during Lyndon Johnson's Administration - BILLIONS spent and generations of dependants created), public education (lower quality product for more money than private education), social security (a pyramid or 'ponzi' scheme destined for bankruptcy - it's practices are illegal in private pension funds), the 'war on drugs.'
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: ]
#1088086 - 11/26/02 03:20 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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"third parties suck because theyre dumb."
And this separates them from the big parties how?
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: ]
#1088777 - 11/26/02 08:22 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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youd rather have a bunch of slaphappy people poking around doing silly crap? its like having toddlers.. but politically
You are describing the current state of affairs, but I wouldn't compare them to toddlers, they are more dangerous, like adolescents. I think it was P.J. O'Rourke who said, "Giving money and power to congress is like giving alcohol and car keys to teenage boys."
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: Learyfan]
#1158075 - 12/20/02 12:07 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dems&pubs have it set up where they will be in power for a very long time.You have to go after them one vote at a time.Check out the free state project,they have a workable plan to put the leash on the dog.
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Re: Why would anyone NOT vote 3rd party?? [Re: bluesky]
#1158096 - 12/20/02 12:21 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Green all the way, baby!
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