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Ego Death
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Panaeolus Subbalteatus outdoor
#9806387 - 02/16/09 05:23 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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What would be the best methods for growing pan subs outdoor ?
I could spend hours reading but I'm a lazy mo fo. If someone could point me in the right direction then I'll start reading.
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Re: Panaeolus Subbalteatus outdoor [Re: Ego Death]
#9806420 - 02/16/09 05:46 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Is there any special reason why it's got to be Pan subbs? Because there are other much more potent mushrooms that grow in the same climate zone and which are faily easy to cultivate outdoors on wood chips. I got a Psilocybe azurescens print for free, for example.
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Re: Panaeolus Subbalteatus outdoor [Re: German Kahuna]
#9806424 - 02/16/09 05:49 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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See, it would be just about impossible to grow those azurescens here in GA, but from what I have heard, the outdoors holds some pretty damn big cubes...
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Re: Panaeolus Subbalteatus outdoor [Re: flip3084]
#9806458 - 02/16/09 06:12 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yes, I know that. Pan subbs grow in the same climate zone as the very potent woodlovers. In any case, Pan subbs (ore rather cinctulus) are weakly to moderately active only. In your climate zone I'd cultivate cubes outdoors, in the North I'd cultivate a woodlover, like P. cyanescens or azurescens.
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Re: Panaeolus Subbalteatus outdoor [Re: German Kahuna]
#9806466 - 02/16/09 06:24 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Oh, there is no confusion, I was only commenting. I know you were originaly referring to a northern climate. I just wish I was able to cultivate Flying Saucers down here... People wouldn't know what the hell hit them.
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Re: Panaeolus Subbalteatus outdoor [Re: flip3084]
#9806505 - 02/16/09 06:56 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm also trying to start Pan subbs in a garden for outdoors. Mushrooms are great recyclers and that's the reason for me.
You guys in Georgia should cultivate Weiliis! I hear they're FRIGGIN' AWESOME!
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they need to be spread out a bit. They aren't found outside of Northern GA.. Mostly Fulton county. that is over 200 miles from where I reside. I would love to get my hands on some weilis though.!!
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Re: Panaeolus Subbalteatus outdoor [Re: flip3084]
#9806594 - 02/16/09 07:31 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm going to do a big Panaeolus subbalteatus grow this spring,and I can hardly wait to get it going.Just waiting on my prints to arrive
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Re: Panaeolus Subbalteatus outdoor [Re: German Kahuna]
#9806703 - 02/16/09 08:21 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thats a very good point actually GK.
I live in the UK and our big harvest is liberty caps.
P. cyanescens would probably be the best alternative for an outdoor grow in my climate.
Whats the method?
I guess I have to sterilise a substrate and use a spore syringe on it. Let it build mycelium then put it out doors?
Would this then be likely to spread? Is it likely that my patch would grow back every year?
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Re: Panaeolus Subbalteatus outdoor [Re: Ego Death]
#9806760 - 02/16/09 08:32 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah every year with some wood added every couple of years.
What I'm going to do is plant Alder and Rhododendrons so I won't have to add a thing (hopefully).
The method is easy. Either syringe to grains then to wood (don't sterilize the wood), wood-lovers are awesome parasites. Or LC > Grains > wood.
Mix into bed, cover with cardboard over summer and keep them watered, but not completely soaked. Once it starts to turn into Autumn/Fall then uncover. Should have some potent ones shortly thereafter.
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Re: Panaeolus Subbalteatus outdoor [Re: Ego Death]
#9806776 - 02/16/09 08:35 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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some reasons to grow panaeolus subbalteatus would be that its considered a weed, so it grows extremely easily, it enjoys compost quite a lot and would probably spread easily. you might prefer the taste of it too. and if you wanted to eat it just for food, the weak potency might be good.
what is it about the climate in georgia that prevents you from growing azures? too cold? not enough moisture in the autumn?
sporeworks has weilii prints by the way.
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Re: Panaeolus Subbalteatus outdoor [Re: mush999]
#9806780 - 02/16/09 08:37 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Damn. I might have to hit sporeworks up for those!!
I'd love to try some Weiliis.
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Re: Panaeolus Subbalteatus outdoor [Re: Ego Death]
#9806785 - 02/16/09 08:38 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ego Death said: Would this then be likely to spread? Is it likely that my patch would grow back every year?
If you take care of the patch, add some sawdust and wood chips then it is likely. I have cubes come back in my vegetable garden every year, I add compost and manure in the spring and before replanting stuff later. I also had pan subs grow back every year when I kept the garden border mulched... after I stopped adding mulch they stopped coming back.
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Re: Panaeolus Subbalteatus outdoor [Re: camtech]
#9806793 - 02/16/09 08:40 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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I add grass clippings, leaves, and eggshells every Autumn.
Would that work for Pan subbs?
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i would think GA would be to hot not too cold.............
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Re: Panaeolus Subbalteatus outdoor [Re: Ego Death]
#9806854 - 02/16/09 09:03 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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P. cyanescens or the even more potent azurescens will grow well in your whereabouts. What you'll need is soaked and sterilized wood shavings to make spawn which you will use to knock up the outside beds of wood chips and shavings. The stuff they sell in pet shops as rodent bedding will work like a treat for spawn. I soak them thoroughly and then PC them in autoclavable bags. In the meantime I have mycelium growing on rye berries which I use to inoculate my spawn bags later. You don't use wild prints directly on your substrate, because they are never clean. You'll have to work with agar for cleaning up. However, if you are not sure about the lab work part, I'd send you some premade spawn, so all you'll have to do is to drop it into your bags or jars of sterilized wood shavings and let it colonize, then out into the beds.
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Re: Panaeolus Subbalteatus outdoor [Re: mush999]
#9806905 - 02/16/09 09:16 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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grass leaves and egg shells that arent decomposed or mulched with a mulcher wouldnt work that well, unless if you covered it with something to hold moisture in, then maybe. the leaves and grass where i live take forever to decompose. i dont know about your leaves though. worm shit would be a good addition to a subbalteatus substrate.
red worms reproduce extremely fast. if you raise them youll have thousands more in just a few months. id make sure the worms werent in the shit before adding spawn, cause they might eat the spawn before it has a chance to dominate the substrate. the yield of worm shit is much higher in a proper worm farm than it is in compost cause with worms in a large compost youll have tons of other stuff mixed in, and its hard to see which is worm shit and which isnt, and the layering just makes it easy for a proper worm farm to separate the worm shit from the worm food.
i looked up the climate for atlanta georgia, and it seems that it would work well for azures with a fairly long growing season. i dont know about the rest of georgia but its probably similar.
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Re: Panaeolus Subbalteatus outdoor [Re: mush999]
#9806975 - 02/16/09 09:34 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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"This describes Baeocystin if i know my literature well. The Pan Sub truly provides a *different*, less threatening trip because it has a huge Baeocystin component which is "calmer" than Psilocybin."
sounds like another reason to grow them. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4173648#4173648
less mindfuck while still having the visuals. sounds great. mindfuck can be very useful but sometimes id just like a calmer trip.
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Edited by mush999 (02/16/09 09:35 AM)
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Re: Panaeolus Subbalteatus outdoor [Re: mush999]
#9807065 - 02/16/09 09:56 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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I hate the mindfuck. 
I think the mindfuck is what causes lots of bad trips. Especially with my former LSD usage. So Pan subbs might just be what I need.
What I do in the Autumn is let the grass/leaves/eggshells compost over winter then turn it into the ground after the snow melts. You can't even tell there is compost in there.
So what I'll do is after turning the compost into the ground, I'll spray mycelium over the top of the whole garden. Hopefully that will get it going.
Thanks
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Re: Panaeolus Subbalteatus outdoor [Re: German Kahuna]
#9807111 - 02/16/09 10:04 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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German Kahuna said: I'd send you some premade spawn, so all you'll have to do is to drop it into your bags or jars of sterilized wood shavings and let it colonize, then out into the beds.
I'm pretty sure that would be breaking quite a few laws, right? Spores and prints are one thing but active spawn will get you locked up if customs finds that shit.
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