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purple_mule
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what is the strongest emotion?
#9793304 - 02/13/09 11:50 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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For you, what is/are the strongest emotion(s)?
How does it influence the way you think and act?
Does it affect your other emotions?
For me, its something i can only explain as empathy. It can make me want to cuddle a complete stranger, cry over someone elses situation and it can turn a fight into me feeling sorry for someone. I think it's one of love and forgiveness, and overrides other negative emotions.
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Re: what is the strongest emotion? [Re: purple_mule]
#9793332 - 02/13/09 11:57 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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For me, the strongest emotion is gloominess; when I am feeling gloomy, it's hard for me to lift my spirit(s).
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: what is the strongest emotion? [Re: Poid]
#9793349 - 02/14/09 12:00 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Im sorry to hear you feel like that. We all have gloomy times. Perhaps you should try concentrating on how you feel about other people, and take joy in the happiness of others? Never know, it may work?
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Re: what is the strongest emotion? [Re: purple_mule]
#9793368 - 02/14/09 12:06 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't always feel gloomy, it's just the most pervasive emotion I experience.
Sometimes, it's thinking about others that makes me feel gloomy, whether they're happy or not.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Sentient#6
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Re: what is the strongest emotion? [Re: Poid]
#9793645 - 02/14/09 01:33 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't know if the sense of "doom" is an emotion, but it fits my bill.
You know how people experience odd synchronology and extreme coincidence? I've felt for a long time that this realm, this dimension we live in, is one doomed to become wasted potential.
Throughout my life I see individual pieces aligning for something magnificent to happen, but then something goes awry, and the what would be a masterpiece turns into a distasteful joke.
I fear that will be the human races magnum opus. Missing the mark of unison communication and understanding by a hair, and burning to the ground over some petty bullshit.
And I fear that my life in the end will reflect this. Getting cut down moments before my form can assume grace, with my death being my own fault. Giving up at the final test.
But I posses a fools sense of hope, so I'll continue the forward march toward my chaos led destiny.
-------------------- Last night I was honored with the Nobel Prize in theoretical physics. This worldwide recognition has given me the opportunity to bring hope to a war-ravaged world. I vowed to myself I would work like a dog at this. But now, it's 10:30 in the morning and I'm just getting out of bed. I did get up earlier around 8:00am, but I just lied in bed for a while, and then...jerked off. I've got to stop masturbating, it makes me too lazy. Stop it Albert...stop it. ~Albert Einstein.
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Re: what is the strongest emotion? [Re: Sentient#6]
#9793723 - 02/14/09 02:05 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I never said "doom", I said gloom; there is no such thing as "doominess", but gloominess is a bona fide emotion.
"You know how people experience odd synchronology and extreme coincidence? I've felt for a long time that this realm, this dimension we live in, is one doomed to become wasted potential.
Throughout my life I see individual pieces aligning for something magnificent to happen, but then something goes awry, and the what would be a masterpiece turns into a distasteful joke.
I fear that will be the human races magnum opus. Missing the mark of unison communication and understanding by a hair, and burning to the ground over some petty bullshit."
I know exactly what you're saying.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: what is the strongest emotion? [Re: Poid]
#9793971 - 02/14/09 03:45 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think negative emotions such as anger or hate can be stronger, because they are easier for us to let them flow by themselves.
It's much harder to become happy when you're feeling depressed than it is to become upset when you're feeling great.
I dunno... that's just me I guess.
-------------------- That's why I always recommend a psychedelic experience because it makes you realize that all you've learned is in fact just learned and not necessarily the truth. - Bill Hicks
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Re: what is the strongest emotion? [Re: AdrianPsy]
#9794050 - 02/14/09 04:17 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, I think it depends on the person.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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jivJaN
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Re: what is the strongest emotion? [Re: Sentient#6]
#9794331 - 02/14/09 07:18 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sentient#6 said: I don't know if the sense of "doom" is an emotion, but it fits my bill.
You know how people experience odd synchronology and extreme coincidence? I've felt for a long time that this realm, this dimension we live in, is one doomed to become wasted potential.
Throughout my life I see individual pieces aligning for something magnificent to happen, but then something goes awry, and the what would be a masterpiece turns into a distasteful joke.
I fear that will be the human races magnum opus. Missing the mark of unison communication and understanding by a hair, and burning to the ground over some petty bullshit.
And I fear that my life in the end will reflect this. Getting cut down moments before my form can assume grace, with my death being my own fault. Giving up at the final test.
But I posses a fools sense of hope, so I'll continue the forward march toward my chaos led destiny.
In order to have hope , one must first believe that what he is hoping for will never happen. Hope is denial. Dont hope.. KNOW that you will reach that grace. I always tell people but somehow i end up sounding wacko.. You can convince yourself into anything. So why convince yourself into a doom and gloom scenario ? Utterly pointless.. Even if it were true which it isnt in my humble opinion , what possible use would you have from being in this state of mind ? Everything you know and believe in is just a persuasion. It is on us to choose what we see and feel. And our choices determine the reality we experience. People who think they are sick .. end up getting sicker and sicker. Placebo my friend. You need to change your focus. You only see the shit cause your following the smell. just trying to help
The most powerful emotions are love and fear , acting as opposites and nullifying one another , yet connected and interdependent.
-------------------- --------------------- All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional. They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively. I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal. If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..
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Re: what is the strongest emotion? [Re: jivJaN]
#9794353 - 02/14/09 07:28 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I feel most powerful when I'm feeling passionate. It's like an angry kind of love or desire. It's almost overwhelming to me.
-------------------- We're All Mad Here My Dials Are Pupilated. Our subconscious minds have no sense of humor, play no jokes, and cannot tell the difference between reality and an imagined thought or image. What we continually think about will manifest itself in our lives. JAMAIS VU- No matter how well you know someone, They're always a stranger. Did perpetual happiness in the Garden of Eden maybe get so boring that eating the apple was justified?
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Re: what is the strongest emotion? [Re: jivJaN]
#9800996 - 02/15/09 03:09 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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"So why convince yourself into a doom and gloom scenario ? Utterly pointless.. Even if it were true which it isnt in my humble opinion , what possible use would you have from being in this state of mind ?"
When I feel gloomy, it's not because I've convinced myself to feel this way; there are many reasons I feel this way at times, and all those reasons as a whole are relatively complex, so much so that attempting to logically convince myself to not feel that way always ends up being an indefatigably futile effort.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
Edited by Poid (02/15/09 03:19 AM)
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Quote:
intenttoDeMenT said: I feel most powerful when I'm feeling passionate. It's like an angry kind of love or desire. It's almost overwhelming to me.
"But chastity means passion, chastity means neurasthenia. And passion and neurasthenia mean instability. And instability means the end of civilization....These things are symptoms of political inefficiency."
- Mustapha Mond
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: what is the strongest emotion? [Re: Poid]
#9801261 - 02/15/09 06:48 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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"it's not because I've convinced myself to feel this way"
I would argue that you have now convinced yourself into this.
You process information. Constantly.. From all that came streaming in and made enough impact to be selected into your memory , you draw what is definable, explainable and you connect the dots until there is an entire picture which represents YOU and what you feel , think and say. But.. there is one important factor many seem to have a difficult time understanding.. YOU are undefinable. Every time you state something about yourself with certainty , it is the equivalent of an image you are trying to enforce upon yourself. I feel this way because of that.. NO. You feel what you feel on a totally unconscious level and then you try to explain it. The negativity rises from the inability to do this without distortion. The inability stems from an inadequate language which has been embedded into your thought process and creates loops when you strike a topic that requires a much more , as you say, complex approach than you can afford with these pathetic symbols.
I dont mean to get this thread off topic or to enforce my theories on you... So ill quit writing what could be an entire book and end it with a simple..
- I dont believe you. Neither do you.
I would like to continue this discussion though.. because i understand you and i know ..
And i wanna mess with your head a bit ... ..if u dont mind that is... cause some EMOTION !
-------------------- --------------------- All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional. They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively. I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal. If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..
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Re: what is the strongest emotion? [Re: Poid]
#9801287 - 02/15/09 07:03 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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you guys (&girls) are confusing state of mind (eg. gloominess) with emotion which is an associative experience that often triggers a shift in state of mind.
like confusing a gun with a murder, or a car with a road.
when an emotion happens, the mind recalls experiences (from cues in the situation) and some of the recalled experiences have strong body sensation memories (pain or pleasure); and this memory recall event regenerates the body sensations (in the gut or in the musculature - often metaphorically called body armor) causing a momentary chemical shift.
in the wake of that shift, the body and mind recoil to the extent of the impact of those chemicals. that is where the strength of the emotion is - how much it diverts your stream of consciousness from its dum de dum daily routine.
the importance of this diversion is arguably an adaptive requirement, extending our flight or fight reflex, mating urges, and more complex social behaviors. This is the zone of action of emotion, temporary diversions in the stream of consciousness(, which can be quite rigidly habitual like sleep walking - emotion is supposed to wake you from some routine).
state of mind, relates to how flat or how layered (stacked up and enriched) your mind is, and this can be tied to the effects of emotion, absorption meditation, dreams, or psychedelic drugs etc.
In order to be persistent, gloominess (a very flat state of mind) which can be triggered by an emotional thought or memory will need other factors in the person's life (eg nutrition, habitat, relationships etc.); the emotional memory itself is not enough to make such a long lasting diversion in the stream of consciousness.
the cultivation of gloominess can be developed to the point that it will trigger body memories and create a difficult to break feedback loop with painful emotional responses. it mixes up the result back into the cause, and psychiatry often treats this with antidepressants, hoping to uncement the habit.
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Re: what is the strongest emotion? [Re: redgreenvines]
#9801342 - 02/15/09 07:35 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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hehehe.. I knew you would reply ! As i was writing my response i thought how the (myth)mindbuster/salvia man will come to clear things up.
And i think you are confusing average , unconscious pattern following guys/girls with the wackos which reside among these boards. I know your logic. The thing is once you comprehend (to a certain degree) how you, or parts of you work ... Your not dealing with the same concepts or the same you anymore. I smoked pot with a fat smelly man when i was on lsd and for days later i would smell him when i smoke.This happened a while ago , and ive been on the subject since. Memory that is , to which you have given such importance i humbly presume. The emotion/associative experience triggers a shift in the state of mind and that mind will never shift the same way again , whether its a new concept or a memory. And both will trigger more memories. I have trained myself to react differently to memory, simply by catching it red handed. Its communication between the mind , spirit and body and it beckons with pain and unease until you hear its call. If you have experienced ayahuasca, you might know why i have this kind of attitude towards these equations and connections you often present.
I challenge you to a duel .. we shall only use white gloves as weapons !
theres a triggered memory ! right there.. out of curiousity...did we share it ?
-------------------- --------------------- All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional. They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively. I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal. If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..
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Re: what is the strongest emotion? [Re: redgreenvines]
#9801458 - 02/15/09 08:14 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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redgreenvines said: you guys (&girls) are confusing state of mind (eg. gloominess) with emotion which is an associative experience that often triggers a shift in state of mind.
You're wrong; gloominess, as well as happiness and giddiness, are all bona fide emotions.
How are emotions not states of mind?
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: what is the strongest emotion? [Re: jivJaN]
#9801474 - 02/15/09 08:22 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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"I would argue that you have now convinced yourself into this."
Into what? I'm just stating a fact; when I happen to feel gloomy, it's not because I have convinced myself to. I never said that I'm preoccupied with gloominess.
"You process information. Constantly.. From all that came streaming in and made enough impact to be selected into your memory , you draw what is definable, explainable and you connect the dots until there is an entire picture which represents YOU and what you feel , think and say. But.. there is one important factor many seem to have a difficult time understanding.. YOU are undefinable. Every time you state something about yourself with certainty , it is the equivalent of an image you are trying to enforce upon yourself. You feel what you feel on a totally unconscious level and then you try to explain it. The negativity rises from the inability to do this without distortion. The inability stems from an inadequate language which has been embedded into your thought process and creates loops when you strike a topic that requires a much more , as you say, complex approach than you can afford with these pathetic symbols."
"I dont mean to get this thread off topic or to enforce my theories on you... So ill quit writing what could be an entire book and end it with a simple..
- I dont believe you. Neither do you.
I would like to continue this discussion though.. because i understand you and i know ..
And i wanna mess with your head a bit ... ..if u dont mind that is... cause some EMOTION !
"
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-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: what is the strongest emotion? [Re: Poid]
#9801503 - 02/15/09 08:30 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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, let me just lay it out flat:
When I feel gloomy, it's a fundamental result of being aware of society (and by extension, humanity); I feel gloomy because there are people that actually follow society, people that are essentially mindless sheep. Sure, they have "souls", but the vast majority of them aren't strong enough to fight off society's influence; they are, in the most literal sense possible, lunatics.
I still love them, though...
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: what is the strongest emotion? [Re: purple_mule]
#9802077 - 02/15/09 12:00 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Each energy is strong in its own way...
Despair seems to be stronger than bliss sometimes, but sometimes my despair can create empathy.
Infact, ive never felt so close and caring to other people and living things than when I have felt despair.
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Re: what is the strongest emotion? [Re: purple_mule]
#9802105 - 02/15/09 12:09 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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