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Monotubs: problems
    #9787840 - 02/12/09 09:56 PM (15 years, 20 days ago)

Currently in the first flush with my monotubs of GT and B+ strains.

I did 6 qt jars of WBS per tub to a substrate of Coir/coffee (ratio of 1 brick/1 quart coffee - is that too much coffee to use with that much coir??). I didn't add verm because I had none/couldn't find any. I'm also wondering if I did too much WBS per tub? It was spawned when the substrate reached room temps. They are uncased.

I have no idea on pH cause I have nothing to test it with nor rH.

It has been a very goofy flush because I messed up thinking it was fully colonized and put it in the FC and after the third day I found out it wasn't ready (had to remove the trashbags because it was holding way too much water under them) and I found that much of it wasn't colonized, I would say it was about 85% done.


I colonized it some more (3 more days) and it eventually fruited. There are lots of pins, but very small fruits.

I'm just wondering if I should toss it and start fresh or let this "flush" finish out, dunk, and hope for the best in the next flush?

Bluish/green areas are fruits I cut and removed cause they spored. It is a very uneven flush in both tubs.

B+: (broke apart in some areas while removing the trashbag, it was a bitch lol, also the brown/black area is coir that came up when I removed the trashbag, it's very thin and just left it cause I didn't want to touch it)

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Re: Monotubs: problems [Re: LiveInTheDream]
    #9787894 - 02/12/09 10:03 PM (15 years, 20 days ago)

gotta let that shit fully colonize my man


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Re: Monotubs: problems [Re: LiveInTheDream]
    #9787923 - 02/12/09 10:08 PM (15 years, 20 days ago)

Haha this I do know, I thought it was. Top layer was done for 3-4 days and turns out I goofed up. Just looking to see what I can do now at this point. Or what I should do..

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Re: Monotubs: problems [Re: LiveInTheDream]
    #9788090 - 02/12/09 10:37 PM (15 years, 20 days ago)

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LiveInTheDream said:
Haha this I do know, I thought it was. Top layer was done for 3-4 days and turns out I goofed up. Just looking to see what I can do now at this point. Or what I should do..





yeah sorry I kind of stated the obvious hah.

I'm not really sure what to do. I would probably pick those fruits and cover that tub in a garbage bag and let it fully colonize then try to re-fruit it.


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Re: Monotubs: problems [Re: Jitsu]
    #9788376 - 02/12/09 11:37 PM (15 years, 20 days ago)

Thanks for the input...anyone else? Gotta figure something out here...

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Re: Monotubs: problems [Re: Jitsu]
    #9788406 - 02/12/09 11:45 PM (15 years, 20 days ago)

you should be able to do everythng at room temp. with a monotub with nocasing layer just spawn and wait to harvest . iwould let it fruit until you see contams  :2cents:


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Re: Monotubs: problems [Re: bullfrog420]
    #9788453 - 02/12/09 11:57 PM (15 years, 20 days ago)

First thing.... Monotubs are Wonderful , but don't let that keep you from investing in a hygrometer and a thermometer.  If you're serious about what you are doing, then you need to keep tabs on those cultivating parameters.  You mentioned that too much water was collecting underneath them, which is why you removed the trash bag.  That tells me right away that your substrate was not at proper "field capacity"  That mistake was very costly from the beginning.  I would let it do it's thing and learn from your mistakes.  Some shrooms are better than NO SHROOMS.  Concentrate your efforts on your next project and just enjoy what this project yields you.  WHAT WILL YOU DO DIFFERENT NEXT TIME?  Those are the questions you should be asking yourself right now.


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Re: Monotubs: problems [Re: bullfrog420]
    #9788470 - 02/13/09 12:01 AM (15 years, 20 days ago)

Just keep on keeping on. Fruit it and harvest those mushrooms. Water it heavy after fruiting (just enough for a good deal to soak up, but not swimming in it. Then try to fruit it again. Hopefully it won't contam. I did this with one tub to great success. I remixed my bulk one day because I couldn't get the middle to colonize properly. I ended up getting no regrowth in terms of noticeable myc. But what ever was in the tub fruited. I plucked out well over 1/2 of a Lbs (for the first flush) out of that tub (I never gave it a total weight, because I was just handing out mushrooms to people). I'd say it was pretty successful considering my fuck up.


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Re: Monotubs: problems [Re: The shroomy 1]
    #9788645 - 02/13/09 12:42 AM (15 years, 20 days ago)

Well I know I've read plenty of threads on how water sits underneath the trashbags so I don't see how that was my issue...

I hand squeezed all of the substrate to "field capacity."

Could it have possibly been the coir/coffee ratio or what else was it? I'm trying to learn what the mistake was so I can fix it next time...at this time I do not know what it is.

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Re: Monotubs: problems [Re: LiveInTheDream]
    #9788671 - 02/13/09 12:49 AM (15 years, 20 days ago)

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LiveInTheDream said:
Well I know I've read plenty of threads on how water sits underneath the trashbags so I don't see how that was my issue...

I hand squeezed all of the substrate to "field capacity."

Could it have possibly been the coir/coffee ratio or what else was it? I'm trying to learn what the mistake was so I can fix it next time...at this time I do not know what it is.




Maybe I misunderstood you when you said that Water was collecting underneath the trash bags.  You want your substrate to be consistent THROUGHOUT.  The water content on top should be the same as the bottom.  You achieve that at field capacity.  When you have too much water, it will have a tendency to collect at the bottom. (gravity is a bitch!)  This will saturate the substrate to the point that it is not healthy for mycelium to colonize that area.  Although, it is PERFECT for bacteria to colonize that area.  Your problem was not the coir.coffee ratio.  Your substrate ratios would not have any bearing on the moisture content of the substrate.


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Re: Monotubs: problems [Re: The shroomy 1]
    #9788681 - 02/13/09 12:51 AM (15 years, 20 days ago)

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First thing.... Monotubs are Wonderful , but don't let that keep you from investing in a hygrometer and a thermometer.  If you're serious about what you are doing, then you need to keep tabs on those cultivating parameters.  You mentioned that too much water was collecting underneath them, which is why you removed the trash bag.  That tells me right away that your substrate was not at proper "field capacity"  That mistake was very costly from the beginning.  I would let it do it's thing and learn from your mistakes.  Some shrooms are better than NO SHROOMS.  Concentrate your efforts on your next project and just enjoy what this project yields you.  WHAT WILL YOU DO DIFFERENT NEXT TIME?  Those are the questions you should be asking yourself right now.




That's AWESOME advice man...

Also, to follow up on the "what will you do next time" : Take good notes dude... really good notes...
So when you've got hella random projects going with minor tweaks here and there, you wont have to sit and rethink all of the variables...


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Re: Monotubs: problems [Re: The shroomy 1]
    #9788697 - 02/13/09 12:59 AM (15 years, 20 days ago)

What I mean by the water collecting is that it goes behind (not into the substrate) to the bottom of the container. All the water that would condense on the side of the tub would fall down and then no longer come back up because the bag held it down.

I'm not saying the ratio would change moisture content, I'm saying is it way too acidic of a substrate for them to grow in? I'm figuring it is, I just don't have pH test strips to find out.

Also, when this "flush" finishes should I dunk it or should I just mist the hell out of it? Or what should I do?

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Re: Monotubs: problems [Re: LiveInTheDream]
    #9788734 - 02/13/09 01:17 AM (15 years, 20 days ago)

You're not going to be able to dunk it if you've been having problems with it being 100% colonized.  It's going to fall apart.  You could be right about it being too acidic.  You should have off set it with calcium cabonate.  Live and learn.:shrug:


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Re: Monotubs: problems [Re: The shroomy 1]
    #9788762 - 02/13/09 01:27 AM (15 years, 20 days ago)

Yeah probably true...just didn't have the money at the moment for calcium carbonate.

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Re: Monotubs: problems [Re: LiveInTheDream]
    #9788790 - 02/13/09 01:44 AM (15 years, 20 days ago)

would gypsum be a good alternative to help stabilize that there ph?  I had the same problem with my last bulk...  But gypsum was added to some coir and chicken crap....  Nah screw it, the sub was prolly too saturated...:banghead:


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Re: Monotubs: problems [Re: wasting_space]
    #9788907 - 02/13/09 02:28 AM (15 years, 20 days ago)

yeah man it sucks but puree some drywall in an old blender till the motor blows.  that is your CC.

get some litmus strips.  they are cheap and effective.
dont be overzealous about putting it in the FC its not gonna hurt an uncased sub to sit another day.
I am pretty sure its too acidic but it does seem to have decent colonization so i would not throw the cow out.  Like old dude said pay close attention to what its doing.
I fucked up like 200lbs of poo mixing too much vermiculite in it.  It was field capacity but not the right consistency at all.  I had white tops on some tubs.  flipped them over.  2 out of 30 had maggots on the underside.  BLAH BLAH BLAH FUCKING GROSS ABOUT VOMITED.


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Re: Monotubs: problems [Re: JSshroom]
    #9791805 - 02/13/09 05:59 PM (15 years, 19 days ago)

Well today my GT tub seemed to have decided it wanted to push out some bigger fruits and more pins. I think it's just one big flush that is just not going to quit for awhile, at least I hope.

Not exactly sure how I'm going to get the pins on the side and bottom out when they're finished though :\

I do think the substrates are too acidic, but I don't think there's anything I can do about that now.

I still don't know if I should dunk and flush again or what? The substrates seem to be pretty colonized now...

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