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 Re: Unidentified Psylocibes in Michigan  [Re: Workman]
#9779603 - 02/11/09 05:05 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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^Pluteus salicinus perhaps?
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: Unidentified Psylocibes in Michigan [Re: trigger]
#9779604 - 02/11/09 05:05 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Some of those things you list are typical for the bluing Stropharia, especially how it starts out blue and gets less blue as it ages. Psilocybin mushrooms only do that if the pins are really pissed off. Try to see if these mushrooms get bluer in the places where they are damaged.
Not sure about that print color for Stropharia though. Looks too orange.
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^Pluteus salicinus perhaps?
Incorrect cap texture for that.
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 inski
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I was going to say Stropharia aeruginosa but the rusty brown spore deposit and free gill attachment are not features of that species!
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Mr. Mushrooms
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Quote:
Alan Rockefeller said:
Yea probably a Conocybe, extremely cool! C. smithii seems to like moss so maybe this is C. cyanopus. It meets the description of both of those mushrooms pretty well.
A good technical description of C. cyanopus / smithii is here. (C. smithii on the next couple pages)
I think it is the long lost Conocybe cyanopus.
Congrats to Trigger! 
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inski
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Re: Unidentified Psylocibes in Michigan [Re: trigger]
#9780208 - 02/11/09 06:46 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Your other blue ones could be a Cortinarius species with that rusty brown spore deposit!
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Re: Unidentified Psylocibes in Michigan [Re: inski]
#9780420 - 02/11/09 07:20 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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That crossed my mind. You've found saprophytic Cortinarius in NZ havn't you?
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Mr. Mushrooms
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Re: Unidentified Psylocibes in Michigan [Re: landsnorkler]
#9780513 - 02/11/09 07:34 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm unaware of any Cortinarius that is saprophytic, most are terrestrial and mycorrhizal.
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landsnorkler
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Re: Unidentified Psylocibes in Michigan [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
#9780552 - 02/11/09 07:43 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Indeed. I've never seen anything other than a mycorrhizal Cort. But, I was remembering this find of Inski's from NZ. http://www.mushroomobserver.org/15402?search_seq=337632
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inski
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Re: Unidentified Psylocibes in Michigan [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
#9780559 - 02/11/09 07:45 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have found Cortinarius rotundisporus fruiting from the trunk of a tree fern, from what I can gather, all Cortinarius species are mycorrhizal.
It may be Stropharia caerulea which supposedly has a lighter coloured spore deposit compared to S. aeruginosa.
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Re: Unidentified Psylocibes in Michigan [Re: landsnorkler]
#9780561 - 02/11/09 07:45 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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trigger, when you said they (conocybe) started to grow in the brush after a few years and grew larger in size i thought of weilii.
I have noticed this many times with weilii.
Ive seen numerous weilii patches start off in bermuda/fescue grass on the edge of the wood-line, within a couple years they will move into the first yard or two of the woods and they grow in size once "switching" habitats as well as changing how they look and fruiting habits/frequency, its cool to see.
Awesome find  
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inski
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Re: Unidentified Psylocibes in Michigan [Re: landsnorkler]
#9780569 - 02/11/09 07:47 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's it, this was an unusual find and I have never seen the same species in that habitat again!
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Mr. Mushrooms
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Re: Unidentified Psylocibes in Michigan [Re: inski]
#9780618 - 02/11/09 07:58 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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inski said:
It may be Stropharia caerulea which supposedly has a lighter coloured spore deposit compared to S. aeruginosa.
inski.
The other mushroom is Stropharia caerulea, a very cool mushroom. St Thomas found this mushroom in Canada about 5 years ago, iirc.
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Re: Unidentified Psylocibes in Michigan [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
#9780732 - 02/11/09 08:17 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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trigger
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Quote:
Alan Rockefeller said:
Yea probably a Conocybe, extremely cool! C. smithii seems to like moss so maybe this is C. cyanopus. It meets the description of both of those mushrooms pretty well.
A good technical description of C. cyanopus / smithii is here. (C. smithii on the next couple pages)
Pictures of this quality are extremely rare, thanks for posting this!
I have no idea on the blue ones. They almost look like a Psilocybe or Stropharia. Do the stems blue too? Any idea what the spore print color is?
Are these some of the first things to fruit in the spring when the snow melts?
after comparing the descriptions of C. cyanopus and C. smithii to the mushroom in question here, smithii has a closer match, due to the smaller, thin, frail structure of the mushroom, as for the "cinnamon flush on the gills" as some of the larger mature mushrooms showed this. but what is my basis for comparison? nothing.... possibly smithii? definitely a conocybe?
just wait for the microscopy i guess...
the blue ones don't seem to bruise, there bluing comes with time, and dose not seem the same as an active bluing. ?....
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Edited by trigger (02/13/09 01:15 PM)
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landsnorkler
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Re: Unidentified Psylocibes in Michigan [Re: trigger]
#9790482 - 02/13/09 01:12 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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trigger said:
the blue ones don't seem to bruise, there bluing comes with time, and dose not seem the same as an active bluing. ?....
Yeah, probably not active.
There's several blue Stropharias which are blue but don't contain any active compounds. Yours is probably one of those.
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Phish_Dude
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Re: Unidentified Psylocibes in Michigan [Re: landsnorkler]
#9791429 - 02/13/09 04:45 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Those are sweet finds! I'll catch ya on the trails....
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