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 OrgoneConclusion
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 What is a 'bad person"? 
#9784731 - 02/12/09 02:32 PM (12 years, 18 days ago) |
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I contend there is no such thing.
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MushmanTheManic
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I am overpowered by your argument.
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OrgoneConclusion
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Are you saying it was a bad argument?
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MushmanTheManic
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There is no argument, hombre.
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Icelander
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Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said:
I contend there is no such thing.
I agree. However I think their are "bad" actions and I try to avoid those engaging in to much of that shit.
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
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The more knowledge, the more grief.
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OrgoneConclusion
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Can one present an argument for the non-existence of something?
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In the "enlightened" and compassionate sense that we are all human and therefore are subject to mistakes, there is no such thing as a bad person, only bad acts.
Even though bad and good are subjective, I think a "bad" person is one who has internal problems or negativity and spreads them externally, onto others.
Edited by NastyDHL (02/12/09 02:42 PM)
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 Re: What is a 'bad person"? [Re: NastyDHL]
#9784781 - 02/12/09 02:44 PM (12 years, 17 days ago) |
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Humans that take other life in order to live must certainly qualify as bad then.
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So it's decided. Humans are all bad.
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Re: What is a 'bad person"? [Re: NastyDHL]
#9784797 - 02/12/09 02:48 PM (12 years, 17 days ago) |
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Humanity tends toward unskillfulness IMO. We can't handle the brain we have.
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
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Re: What is a 'bad person"? [Re: NastyDHL]
#9784813 - 02/12/09 02:53 PM (12 years, 17 days ago) |
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NastyDHL said:
So it's decided. Humans are all bad.
OK, we can move on then. We finally resolved an issue.
Seriously, how can a lesser act (a negative vibe) be worse than taking a life?
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Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said:
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NastyDHL said:
So it's decided. Humans are all bad.
OK, we can move on then. We finally resolved an issue.
Seriously, how can a lesser act (a negative vibe) be worse than taking a life?
I think many people aren't happy with their lives, and would rather be dead, except for the fact that they don't know what death is, so they would rather just be non-existent.
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Re: What is a 'bad person"? [Re: Icelander]
#9784879 - 02/12/09 03:06 PM (12 years, 17 days ago) |
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I read an article my psych professor gave me a while back about how humans have reptilian brains. Humans have some reptilian structures in the brain. Since we came after reptiles and have additional brain structures, we can assume that humans possess an evolved reptilian brain. The article discusses the idea that the more evolved human brain structures have to function at the speed or level of the older, reptilian structures. If that idea is correct, we pretty much have a super-charged Ford Pinto.
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Hmmm...I would say that there are some people who lack any morals or who have the wrong morals. Does "bad person" mean "immoral person"? If so, I would say that such people exist.
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Re: What is a 'bad person"? [Re: Silversoul]
#9784914 - 02/12/09 03:14 PM (12 years, 17 days ago) |
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Your judgment or mine?
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
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Re: What is a 'bad person"? [Re: Icelander]
#9784930 - 02/12/09 03:17 PM (12 years, 17 days ago) |
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Icelander said:
Your judgment or mine?
What are you referring to? Moral standards? While I would certainly recognize that morality is not absolute, it can generally be measured in terms of compassion and integrity.
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Re: What is a 'bad person"? [Re: Silversoul]
#9784937 - 02/12/09 03:19 PM (12 years, 17 days ago) |
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I think morals are irrelevant, same with good and bad. Different situations call for different behaviors. Maybe a few 'morals' or golden rules such as "treat others how you wish to be treated." Besides that, most morals seem to just be an overflow of Christian beliefs into society (obviously a loose generalization).
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Re: What is a 'bad person"? [Re: NastyDHL]
#9785239 - 02/12/09 04:36 PM (12 years, 17 days ago) |
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While I would certainly recognize that morality is not absolute, it can generally be measured in terms of compassion and integrity.
I feel pretty compassionate for those live animals I dissect, I am morally sound. 
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Re: What is a 'bad person"? [Re: Silversoul]
#9785393 - 02/12/09 05:06 PM (12 years, 17 days ago) |
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While I would certainly recognize that morality is not absolute, it can generally be measured in terms of compassion and integrity.
A baby is born severely physically disabled and retarded. You say all life is precious and being the compassionate person you are you say let it live. I see the same situation and say the quality of life this being will have to endure will most likely be hellish from my standpoint. It would be the height of cruelty to let it live. Put it gently to death. Who is "right" and "moral"?
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: What is a 'bad person"? [Re: Icelander]
#9785416 - 02/12/09 05:11 PM (12 years, 17 days ago) |
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Quote:
Icelander said:
While I would certainly recognize that morality is not absolute, it can generally be measured in terms of compassion and integrity.
A baby is born severely physically disabled and retarded. You say all life is precious and being the compassionate person you are you say let it live. I see the same situation and say the quality of life this being will have to endure will most likely be hellish from my standpoint. It would be the height of cruelty to let it live. Put it gently to death. Who is "right" and "moral"?
That's why I said morality is not absolute. There's a judgment call to be made in that situation, and both sides have their points to be made. It would nonetheless be clearly immoral to murder a healthy baby born to a willing mother.
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