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OfflineSeussA
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Going after guns...
    #9777259 - 02/11/09 09:03 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I wonder how far this will make it with Obama at the helm...



HR 45 Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009 (Introduced in House)

(1) IN GENERAL- It shall be unlawful for any person other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to possess a qualifying firearm on or after the applicable date, unless that person has been issued a firearm license--

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SEC. 102. APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS.

      (a) In General- In order to be issued a firearm license under this title, an individual shall submit to the Attorney General (in accordance with the regulations promulgated under subsection (b)) an application, which shall include--

            (1) a current, passport-sized photograph of the applicant that provides a clear, accurate likeness of the applicant;

            (2) the name, address, and date and place of birth of the applicant;

            (3) any other name that the applicant has ever used or by which the applicant has ever been known;

            (4) a clear thumb print of the applicant, which shall be made when, and in the presence of the entity to whom, the application is submitted;

            (5) with respect to each category of person prohibited by Federal law, or by the law of the State of residence of the applicant, from obtaining a firearm, a statement that the individual is not a person prohibited from obtaining a firearm;

            (6) a certification by the applicant that the applicant will keep any firearm owned by the applicant safely stored and out of the possession of persons who have not attained 18 years of age;

            (7) a certificate attesting to the completion at the time of application of a written firearms examination, which shall test the knowledge and ability of the applicant regarding--

                  (A) the safe storage of firearms, particularly in the vicinity of persons who have not attained 18 years of age;

                  (B) the safe handling of firearms;

                  (C) the use of firearms in the home and the risks associated with such use;

                  (D) the legal responsibilities of firearms owners, including Federal, State, and local laws relating to requirements for the possession and storage of firearms, and relating to reporting requirements with respect to firearms; and

                  (E) any other subjects, as the Attorney General determines to be appropriate;

            (8) an authorization by the applicant to release to the Attorney General or an authorized representative of the Attorney General any mental health records pertaining to the applicant;

            (9) the date on which the application was submitted; and

            (10) the signature of the applicant.

      (b) Regulations Governing Submission- The Attorney General shall promulgate regulations specifying procedures for the submission of applications to the Attorney General under this section, which regulations shall--

            (1) provide for submission of the application through a licensed dealer or an office or agency of the Federal Government designated by the Attorney General;

            (2) require the applicant to provide a valid identification document (as defined in section 1028(d)(2) of title 18, United States Code) of the applicant, containing a photograph of the applicant, to the licensed dealer or to the office or agency of the Federal Government, as applicable, at the time of submission of the application to that dealer, office, or agency; and

            (3) require that a completed application be forwarded to the Attorney General not later than 48 hours after the application is submitted to the licensed dealer or office or agency of the Federal Government, as applicable.

      (c) Fees-

            (1) IN GENERAL- The Attorney General shall charge and collect from each applicant for a license under this title a fee in an amount determined in accordance with paragraph (2).

            (2) FEE AMOUNT- The amount of the fee collected under this subsection shall be not less than the amount determined by the Attorney General to be necessary to ensure that the total amount of all fees collected under this subsection during a fiscal year is sufficient to cover the costs of carrying out this title during that fiscal year, except that such amount shall not exceed $25.


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Offlinezappaisgod
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Re: Going after guns... [Re: Seuss]
    #9777342 - 02/11/09 09:32 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, I wonder too.  I suspect something like it will be passed and signed in the next four years.  Then slapped down by the Supreme Court like the mangy cur it is.  Unless somebody not Ginsberg or her avatars retires.


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Re: Going after guns... [Re: Seuss]
    #9778494 - 02/11/09 02:14 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I don't get it, it just says you need a firearm license, which you already needed right?


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Re: Going after guns... [Re: zouden]
    #9778557 - 02/11/09 02:25 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

No.  I have several firearms.  I do not need a license for any of them and I live in NY.


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Re: Going after guns... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9778561 - 02/11/09 02:25 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Not to mention that you can still take your kid hunting with you.


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Re: Going after guns... [Re: zouden]
    #9778564 - 02/11/09 02:26 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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zouden said:
I don't get it, it just says you need a firearm license, which you already needed right?




No that varies by state most don't require licenses. This also would be registration for all semi-auto's. And it is not shall issue. the AG would issue if they feel like it. That probably doesn't sound radical to an Aussie though.


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Re: Going after guns... [Re: buckwheat]
    #9778600 - 02/11/09 02:31 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I hadn't even seen that.  I guess that would include my big fat semi Franchi 12 gauge.  How fucking stupid.


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Re: Going after guns... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9778742 - 02/11/09 02:48 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
No.  I have several firearms.  I do not need a license for any of them and I live in NY.




Oh I really thought they had to be licensed. And don't they do a background check and have a 3-day waiting period before you can get a gun?

I learnt everything I know about US gun laws from TV, can you tell?


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Re: Going after guns... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9778778 - 02/11/09 02:54 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
I hadn't even seen that.  I guess that would include my big fat semi Franchi 12 gauge.  How fucking stupid.




I think it's only semi's with a detachable magazine,not sure about tube fed.

In a nutshell

"It is a bill that mandates licensing, registration and safe storage for handguns and semi-automatic rifles with detachable magazines. It also provides for inspection, so you surrender your fourth amendment rights by being licensed. It also requires reporting of Lost and Stolen firearms, and you must inform the federal government if you change addresses."


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Re: Going after guns... [Re: zouden]
    #9778858 - 02/11/09 03:10 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

zouden said:
Oh I really thought they had to be licensed. And don't they do a background check and have a 3-day waiting period before you can get a gun?





no, there's a background check but it's usually pretty fast, most
states dont have waiting periods, I can walk out in less than 5
minutes from the time I enter a store or gun show with a new firearm

if they do pass something like this, it wont bother me a bit, I
have no weapons as far as government is concerned and if I had a
need, I'd make some far more destructive than a little pistol or
rifle... my yard would look like this on 'confiscation day'




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Re: Going after guns... [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9778953 - 02/11/09 03:27 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I bought my .22 about 6 years ago.  It took about 3 days for the check.  The guy asked me about any domestic violence issues that might come up!!!!  Everything else I have had for some time so nobody knows I have it.


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Re: Going after guns... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9779001 - 02/11/09 03:34 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

one of the nice things about many states is that private sales
arent reported, money/guns change hands and that's it


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Re: Going after guns... [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9779062 - 02/11/09 03:46 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

That's not it here.  I've just had them for a long time.


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Re: Going after guns... [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9779210 - 02/11/09 04:14 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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one of the nice things about many states is that private sales
arent reported, money/guns change hands and that's it





That's how it is here in WI.

I bought my first handgun from a private seller at a gun show the week I turned 21. No waiting, no registration, no nothing.

And buying from a gun shop only entails a 24-hour waiting period for handguns, long gun sales are totally unregulated as long as you're over 18.


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Re: Going after guns... [Re: Seuss]
    #9779501 - 02/11/09 04:51 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

They're gonna have to move fast on this if they want it to have any impact.  Personally, I vow to break any laws which are in contradiction to my wishes by any means which are necessary and moral.


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