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Virus_with_Shoes
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Re: Welfare mom now has 14 children under the age of 8.... [Re: Lakefingers]
#9794241 - 02/14/09 06:25 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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You can't take a story like this and use it to decry the entire welfare system. It's an extreme argument and an extreme case of a stupid, irresponsible woman.
For all of the moronic shit your tax dollars are wasted on such as unnecessary wars and gargantuan bailouts for people to be singling out the welfare system of all things is just absurd.
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Madtowntripper
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Re: Welfare mom now has 14 children under the age of 8.... [Re: Virus_with_Shoes]
#9794442 - 02/14/09 08:01 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hmmm?
Entitlement programs make up the vast majority of the budget, dwarfing the bailout or the various foreign wars we're fighting.
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Virus_with_Shoes
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Re: Welfare mom now has 14 children under the age of 8.... [Re: Madtowntripper]
#9794719 - 02/14/09 09:26 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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That doesn't change the fact that it's an argumentum ad extremum using a ridiculously rare example to try and cast aspersion on the entire system.
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Baby_Hitler
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Re: Welfare mom now has 14 children under the age of 8.... [Re: Madtowntripper]
#9794727 - 02/14/09 09:28 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Madtowntripper said: Hmmm?
Entitlement programs make up the vast majority of the budget, dwarfing the bailout or the various foreign wars we're fighting.
[citation needed]
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zappaisgod
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Re: Welfare mom now has 14 children under the age of 8.... [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#9794736 - 02/14/09 09:32 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Citations for that have been provided many many times.
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Baby_Hitler
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Re: Welfare mom now has 14 children under the age of 8.... [Re: zappaisgod]
#9794747 - 02/14/09 09:35 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well good, it shouldn't be too hard then.
I'll just assume it to be wrong until then.
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zappaisgod
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Re: Welfare mom now has 14 children under the age of 8.... [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#9794758 - 02/14/09 09:37 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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You can do whatever you want. Google is a helpful tool.
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RogerRabbit
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Re: Welfare mom now has 14 children under the age of 8.... [Re: zappaisgod]
#9794808 - 02/14/09 09:51 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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They should make that bitch a corporate, stock market, or bank executive. She obviously knows how to exploit the system like a true professional, and make the rest of us pay for it. RR
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Re: Welfare mom now has 14 children under the age of 8.... [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#9794824 - 02/14/09 09:54 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Three growing entitlement programs consumed nearly half of all federal spending in 2004, and budget analysts expect them to make up an even bigger share in the future.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10609044/
I would pull you up the actual budget, but I'm way too lazy. That was one of the google results that came up.
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zappaisgod
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Re: Welfare mom now has 14 children under the age of 8.... [Re: Redstorm]
#9795100 - 02/14/09 11:12 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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He doesn't really care.
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AnonymousRabbit
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Seuss
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Re: Welfare mom now has 14 children under the age of 8.... [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
#9795551 - 02/14/09 12:52 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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> You can't take a story like this and use it to decry the entire welfare system.
Of course I can. It puts a face on the waste the federal welfare system creates. What the states want to do is their business, but the federal government should stay out of the issue.
> For all of the moronic shit your tax dollars are wasted on such as blah blah blah
And? Just because there is a lot of other waste doesn't mean I should forgive this waste, does it?
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zappaisgod
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Re: Welfare mom now has 14 children under the age of 8.... [Re: Seuss]
#9795564 - 02/14/09 12:55 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Of course it does. And it leads to calls for more waste ala where the fuck is mine? I want some money wasted on my ass since most of my money is already being wasted on the bums' asses.
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zappaisgod
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Re: Welfare mom now has 14 children under the age of 8.... [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
#9795668 - 02/14/09 01:21 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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When and if you start paying for the waste instead of consuming it you will change your tune. Probably.
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acid_kiss
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Re: Welfare mom now has 14 children under the age of 8.... [Re: RogerRabbit]
#9797102 - 02/14/09 06:11 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: They should make that bitch a corporate, stock market, or bank executive. She obviously knows how to exploit the system like a true professional, and make the rest of us pay for it. RR
That would take too much intelligence, I'd say head of the senate banking committee, secretary of treasury, or at least put her on Obama's economic advisory board.
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Seuss
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Re: Welfare mom now has 14 children under the age of 8.... [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
#9797251 - 02/14/09 06:45 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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> The waste is too much for you, it isn't too much for me.
Again, that is because you don't pay for it... you receive it. Of course it isn't too much for you in this instance. You can claim that you won't change your mind once you start to pay for it rather than receive it, but until that happens, you really don't know. Give yourself twenty years, with a family to support, and then lets see how you feel about the issue.
> We disagree fundamentally on letting the states do whatever they want when it comes to welfare.
Yes, you want a nanny government to take care of everybody and I want a minimal government that protects the individuals right (and the Constitution) and nothing more.
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zouden
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Re: Welfare mom now has 14 children under the age of 8.... [Re: Seuss]
#9797265 - 02/14/09 06:49 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'll ask again: what's the alternative? She can't pay, but the hospital needs money. Someone has to foot the bill. Selling the children into slavery is not really an option.
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Re: Welfare mom now has 14 children under the age of 8.... [Re: zouden]
#9797283 - 02/14/09 06:51 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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> what's the alternative?
Bill the dumbass doctors that implanted a welfare case that couldn't afford their services with the 3.5 million dollar bill to raise the kids (along with the multimillion dollars it cost to deliver them.) Seems the obvious and simple solution to me.
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Re: Welfare mom now has 14 children under the age of 8.... [Re: Seuss]
#9797323 - 02/14/09 07:00 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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It might not be possible though. I imagine that fertility clinics have legal protection from this sort of thing. Otherwise you could just sue your doctor and make him pay for your child's costs because you "didn't really want a kid".
She shouldn't have been allowed to get any kids, but I don't know if that makes the clinic liable.
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