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Tub has a significant amount of metabolites... (Pics)
    #9758203 - 02/08/09 12:08 AM (15 years, 18 days ago)

One of my tubs has a significant amount of metabolites.  I just want to know if there is anything I can do, and what should I do?







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Re: Tub has a significant amount of metabolites... (Pics) [Re: Texmex]
    #9758284 - 02/08/09 12:26 AM (15 years, 18 days ago)

nothing. its natural leave it be.


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Re: Tub has a significant amount of metabolites... (Pics) [Re: doze]
    #9758487 - 02/08/09 01:21 AM (15 years, 18 days ago)

possibly excess of standing water on myc introduced bacteria.


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Re: Tub has a significant amount of metabolites... (Pics) [Re: Jitsu]
    #9758565 - 02/08/09 01:43 AM (15 years, 18 days ago)

The bulk sub is uncased, and in my FC (room), the RH is at 99%+.  My digital hygrometer only goes to 99.  I was told that uncased needs 100%RH. 

I have opened 7 6" portholes for FAE, and I haven't misted at all because mist from the fog is beeding on my sub.  I've asked in previous threads if that was an issue, and they said "make sure I mist and fan them".

I do fan them 4x a day.

I think the problem may have occured because the bulk substrate was too wet when I added the grain spawn.  It looked damp the entire colonization process, but it colonized so I put it in the fruiting chamber.


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Re: Tub has a significant amount of metabolites... (Pics) [Re: Texmex]
    #9758599 - 02/08/09 01:51 AM (15 years, 18 days ago)

It's just too wet I think. Might have to rethink how long the fogger is on, or use another method.


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Re: Tub has a significant amount of metabolites... (Pics) [Re: Shrink]
    #9759157 - 02/08/09 08:23 AM (15 years, 18 days ago)

lower RH TO 90%, you don't need 100% for uncased

-Also would you please post picture of the fruiting chamber and set-up?


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Re: Tub has a significant amount of metabolites... (Pics) [Re: cReEp 1nc]
    #9759176 - 02/08/09 08:32 AM (15 years, 18 days ago)

pics arent that clear.. but I dont see metabolites.. in the pic looks like black mold, or thats ur substrate. looks like u did a frosting layer.. which introduced some uncolonized grain to open air. Pics arent very clear though may I add again, I cant tell unless I was standing next to it. Is that ur substrate or mold?


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Re: Tub has a significant amount of metabolites... (Pics) [Re: Shr00mZ]
    #9759434 - 02/08/09 09:45 AM (15 years, 18 days ago)

That picture looks pretty clear to me.  In the 2nd one you can plainly see all of the yellow beads of water on top of the substrate.  The black stuff appears to be wet substrate that didn't get overtaken by mycelium.


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Re: Tub has a significant amount of metabolites... (Pics) [Re: cReEp 1nc]
    #9759494 - 02/08/09 10:02 AM (15 years, 18 days ago)

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lower RH TO 90%, you don't need 100% for uncased

-Also would you please post picture of the fruiting chamber and set-up?




Incorrect.

Primordia form in near saturation humidity, so you want 95% or greater humidity. 100% is even better if you have lots of fresh air.  What you DON'T want is mist from your fogger raining down on your substrate.  You need to put it on a timer so it shuts off now and then, or build a shield over the substrate to prevent the fog from settling on it.

Evaporation of moisture from a substrate is one of the biggest pinning triggers, and it can't pin if there is total saturation of the substrate.

The metabolites are secreted to help break down the substrate, and as a response to stress.  That's an awfully thick substrate there, so the mycelium is working overtime to colonize it.
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Re: Tub has a significant amount of metabolites... (Pics) [Re: archivist]
    #9759504 - 02/08/09 10:04 AM (15 years, 18 days ago)

Yeah thats a lot. You'll be most likely able to get 1 flush out of that thing. Don't be shocked if it gets contamed to all hell by the second. I had a similar looking tub not too long ago and eventually got a bacteria contam and a case of the green meany. If it starts to smell overwhelmingly sweet or fishy, I'd chuck it out. Thats just my opinion. You also might get lucky and it could clear up like everyone else said or it could totally be harmless and it will just pop up on top. Best to use your best judgment at this point. With something so early in your grow its most likely the reasons RR told you.  In any case I just use a paper towel to recollect that liquid. With a good paper towel you won't need to touch the sub, just the metabolite's droplets. It should just absorb it right up.


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Re: Tub has a significant amount of metabolites... (Pics) [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #9759554 - 02/08/09 10:17 AM (15 years, 18 days ago)

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lower RH TO 90%, you don't need 100% for uncased

-Also would you please post picture of the fruiting chamber and set-up?




Incorrect.

Primordia form in near saturation humidity, so you want 95% or greater humidity. 100% is even better if you have lots of fresh air.  What you DON'T want is mist from your fogger raining down on your substrate.  You need to put it on a timer so it shuts off now and then, or build a shield over the substrate to prevent the fog from settling on it.

Evaporation of moisture from a substrate is one of the biggest pinning triggers, and it can't pin if there is total saturation of the substrate.

The metabolites are secreted to help break down the substrate, and as a response to stress.  That's an awfully thick substrate there, so the mycelium is working overtime to colonize it.
RR




Will the wax paper method put the pin zone up to high 90s if the tub is only around 80-85%? This might help my pinsets.


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Re: Tub has a significant amount of metabolites... (Pics) [Re: Stimpy913]
    #9759607 - 02/08/09 10:29 AM (15 years, 18 days ago)

It might however remember that mushrooom fruitbodies have to protective skin and will exchange gases directly with the surrounding air. If rh is low moisture will avap faster than the my network can pump to the fruit.

You may get pinning but your fruits may sufer. Being small and possibly even split caps.

Id suggest working out why ur rh is so slow

If you built your fc as shown in the terrarium tek section (linked in my signiture) you will have at east 90%


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Re: Tub has a significant amount of metabolites... (Pics) [Re: veda_sticks]
    #9759638 - 02/08/09 10:40 AM (15 years, 18 days ago)

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Re: Tub has a significant amount of metabolites... (Pics) [Re: Stimpy913]
    #9760092 - 02/08/09 12:37 PM (15 years, 18 days ago)

I just went and bought some wax paper.

I'll post pic's of my FC in a little bit (camera is charging).


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Re: Tub has a significant amount of metabolites... (Pics) [Re: Texmex]
    #9760298 - 02/08/09 01:23 PM (15 years, 18 days ago)

Heres the pic of my FC...



I recently unplugged the fan on the bottom left because it only comes on for a short period (1min.) every 1 1/2 hours.  I figure that if I open the hole at all times, it will allow for better FAE.


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Re: Tub has a significant amount of metabolites... (Pics) [Re: Texmex]
    #9760390 - 02/08/09 01:41 PM (15 years, 18 days ago)

wow..using a plant grow tent to grow mushrooms./.um piuck up some nirvana ak48 and get growin'!!!


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