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Roger Fudd
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Cordyceps Mushroom 1
#9756478 - 02/07/09 07:15 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hi all, I was looking for some agar agar in my local Chinese market when I stumbled upon a jar of funny looking mushroom things. They turned out to be cordyceps mushrooms. They're still in the jar, growing on some sort of substrate (cant make it out). I was wondering whats going on, since they are supposedly rare and the cultures are jealously guarded. Also, is there any danger due to the parasitic nature of cordyceps? Lastly, what insect do you think this grows on, and can I propagate this strain without using insects? Ive seen a lot of teks using mealworms Thanks for replies!
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Roger Fudd] 1
#9756502 - 02/07/09 07:21 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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What did that run ya?
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Roger Fudd
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As in price?
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Roger Fudd] 1
#9756527 - 02/07/09 07:27 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes$$$ I have never seen anything like that. Awesome
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It cost me around 45 cents due to a series of fortunate events. The cashier couldn't get the bar code to work, so he just typed in a random number, which came up as some cocktail mix measured by the lb. Needless to say, the jar wasn't very heavy, and it cost me pennies.
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Roger Fudd] 1
#9756552 - 02/07/09 07:32 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nice find. I have seen cordyceps insects before on TV. That shit is insane!
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Roger Fudd] 1
#9756572 - 02/07/09 07:36 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I know! The little stalk sprouts from its head after it infects its brain.
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Roger Fudd] 1
#9756592 - 02/07/09 07:41 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I am looking at pic Its nuts I am trippin right now.
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Roger Fudd] 1
#9756614 - 02/07/09 07:45 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's crazy how a species only attacks a certain insect naturally.
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Roger Fudd] 1
#9756623 - 02/07/09 07:47 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I thought it could get any insect, or do you mean certain as in individually?
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Roger Fudd
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Each strain has its own preferred victim. Some attack ants, others attack larvae. The teks here on growing cordyceps are made by injecting the mealworms with the mycelium.
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Roger Fudd] 1
#9756665 - 02/07/09 07:54 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I did not know it could be grown. Do you eat or what why were they at the store?
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Roger Fudd] 1
#9756685 - 02/07/09 07:57 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ya, it's a Chinese medicine.
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Roger Fudd] 1
#9756691 - 02/07/09 07:58 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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for what ya know?
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Roger Fudd] 1
#9756700 - 02/07/09 08:00 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote from drugs.com Affects numerous human body systems, including the circulatory, respiratory, and immune systems, as well as the liver, kidneys, and sex organs. Cordyceps has been used as an adjuvant in cancer therapy.
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Roger Fudd] 1
#9756732 - 02/07/09 08:05 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wow, that is very interesting, you have no idea what that is fruiting from? What kind of lid was on that jar? inski.
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Roger Fudd] 1
#9756741 - 02/07/09 08:08 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Plastic lid w/ four pin holes. The stuff it's fruiting from is obscured by the mycelium and some weird discoloration (metabolites?). RR, come and save us from ignorance!
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: inski] 1
#9756742 - 02/07/09 08:09 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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great questions!
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Roger Fudd] 1
#9756747 - 02/07/09 08:10 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sorry, but I got to go for the night. Agar cultures, here I come!
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Roger Fudd] 1
#9757017 - 02/07/09 09:10 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nice find! and nice picture...
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: didjin_d]
#9758276 - 02/08/09 12:25 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thats amazing. your going to have to harvest that white fluff, which would be the spores then send some to me
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Roger Fudd]
#9758492 - 02/08/09 01:23 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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well, in the East Asia these cultures are not that rare at all but the price you paid is ridiculously low. Congratulations! These picturee are from some Korean webstore.
It will easily grow on any basic agar (i've grown my mainly on MYA with a pinch of whole wheat flour). I would just try isolate this strain from a fruiting bodies and from the middle of the cake. Naturally you can collect ascospores as well and thus maybe getting several strains of your own.
Ascospores collected from Elaphocordyceps ophioglossoides
And no, there is no danger to humans from these mushrooms to my knowledge. And yes, you can propagate it without using insects. If the strain is good that is, a bad (or degenerated) strain won't fruit at all. (see for example my journal for some cultivation methods)
Edited by Speeker (02/08/09 04:18 AM)
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Speeker]
#9758810 - 02/08/09 03:32 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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You would be collecting ascospores, asci are the sexual spore bearing cells that resemble a tube, usually containing 8 ascospores! inski.
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: inski]
#9758885 - 02/08/09 04:42 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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i wonder which substrate is used to make it fruit?
and btw.... is that Cordyceps militaris?
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No idea. The substrate is probably some type of silkworm, I saw a documentary on it some time ago. I could be wrong though. Kinda made me squeamish at first when I found out I was holding dead insects with shrooms popping out of their heads. If I wanted to fruit these, I guess I could, since the same Asian market that I got these from had frozen larvae...
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Roger Fudd]
#9759299 - 02/08/09 09:11 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey guys, I have a question. What would be the preferred agar for the cordyceps to grow on. So far I'm using agar with a very high protein content, to mimic insects. Any ideas?
Update! I took a time lapse of the shroom, and absolutely no growth. I guess it's a slow growing guy huh? That's good for me, more time to make cultures
Edited by Roger Fudd (02/08/09 09:26 AM)
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yep.. it is C. militaris. As it says in the label.
Cannot see the first characters well enough but the last ones says "Cordyceps militaris". The second one is probably "fresh".. first??
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Speeker]
#9759908 - 02/08/09 11:57 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I use cricket agar for cordyceps. Either collect 20 crickets per liter of agar from around your yard, or go to a pet store and get 20 live crickets, where they're sold as reptile food. Grind them in a blender, mix in the agar agar, and PC for fifteen minutes. RR
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Speeker]
#9761034 - 02/08/09 03:48 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Speeker said: yep.. it is C. militaris. As it says in the label.
Cannot see the first characters well enough but the last ones says "Cordyceps militaris". The second one is probably "fresh".. first??
Are you talking about the Mandarin? If so, yes, the first character means fresh, and the whole thing says fresh winter worm summer grass. How do you know it is Cordyceps militaris?
Thanks for the recipe RR, I'll try it out. Poor crickets
Edited by Roger Fudd (02/08/09 03:51 PM)
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Quote:
RogerRabbit said: I use cricket agar for cordyceps. Either collect 20 crickets per liter of agar from around your yard, or go to a pet store and get 20 live crickets, where they're sold as reptile food. Grind them in a blender, mix in the agar agar, and PC for fifteen minutes. RR
That is positively awesome. Can you fruit them directly off that subsrate, or do you move them onto a solid fruiting formula?
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Servator]
#9761617 - 02/08/09 05:27 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Also, how do you pass the "single species attacks single victim" problem. As far as I know, the cordyceps only attacks a specific victim species? Or am I wrong?
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Roger Fudd]
#9763532 - 02/08/09 11:11 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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i don't know much about Chinese, but fortunately there is dictionaries.. you forget the "northern", so it is "northern winter worm summer grass" it is that "northern" that makes it militaris, otherwise it would be sinensis.
北冬虫夏草
other names for militaris can be 蛹虫草 = pupa cordyceps 北虫草 = nothern cordyceps 北蛹虫草 = ...
金虫草 = golden cordyceps 虫草花 = cordyceps flower
so Fudd, do you understand Chinese/Mandarin? I've dozens of Chinese mushroom cultivation videos waiting to be translated. In my journal is some of them.. and dozen of them are about Cordyceps.. so, just watch and learn! and if you (or somebody else) can help to get some of them translated that would be superb!
Edited by Speeker (02/14/09 02:34 AM)
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Speeker]
#9764269 - 02/09/09 02:57 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm gonna like this one!
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: JaComet]
#9767405 - 02/09/09 06:03 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I can understand Mandarin, but I think translating videos is way out of my liege. Imagine the hordes of angry people who's only job is to find mistakes in my translations! The horrors, the horrors. Plus, I've forgotten a lot of it...
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Roger Fudd]
#9767430 - 02/09/09 06:09 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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By the way, what is POTM, I saw someone post that earlier
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Roger Fudd]
#9767579 - 02/09/09 06:31 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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POTM = Picture of the Month, a contest here.
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Jonat]
#9767610 - 02/09/09 06:35 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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How do you enter? Could you provide a link too? All I see when I search is updates and suggestions. Thanks
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Roger Fudd]
#9767713 - 02/09/09 06:52 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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go to the "Grow Logs and Pictures" area --> there is a tread stickied in there called "February POTM nominations". It has an explanation.
Btw, someone has to nominate your pic (like I did). There are no self-nominations allowed.
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: didjin_d]
#9768525 - 02/09/09 08:51 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ok, thanks for the info and the nomination! Unfortunately, I can't find the place for the life of me, and any links I find are met with a "Cannot Proceed" page.
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Roger Fudd]
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Roger Fudd]
#9768687 - 02/09/09 09:14 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Another "We cannot Proceed" Message!!!! Maybe there is some kind of post/time requirement, similar to visiting the marketplace forum...Oh well...
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Roger Fudd]
#9768724 - 02/09/09 09:20 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, there must be. I don't remember how long it is though.
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Roger Fudd]
#9768737 - 02/09/09 09:21 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Noooooooo...how will I know who won. I imagine there are a lot of pretty cool pictures, I saw some of the nominated pics on someone's post...
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Roger Fudd]
#9768762 - 02/09/09 09:24 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you win, someone will probably let you know. If not, once the amount of time required for you to view the forum has lapsed, you can check for yourself.
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Roger Fudd]
#9768826 - 02/09/09 09:34 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ok, thanks again.
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Roger Fudd]
#9769713 - 02/09/09 11:31 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Roger Fudd said: I can understand Mandarin, but I think translating videos is way out of my liege. Imagine the hordes of angry people who's only job is to find mistakes in my translations! The horrors, the horrors. Plus, I've forgotten a lot of it...
yeah.. it's would be a big task, that's for sure.. i wouldn't mind few errors though as long as the main points are about correctly translated.
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RogerRabbit said: I use cricket agar for cordyceps. RR
So, doesn't your culture grow on some simple agar like MYA, PDA, etc? Also RR, could you tell us more about your experiments with militaris..
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Speeker]
#9772586 - 02/10/09 03:04 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'd start with regular agar first, my Cordyceps militaris culture likes it just fine. No one got it to fruit though, I suspect that this strain is a better fruiter. Or maybe they are using bugs.
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yeah.. well, i 've now bought silkworms so we'll hopefully soon see if the silkworms have somekind of magic in them.. (i've my doubts about it though..)
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Speeker]
#9773808 - 02/10/09 06:49 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Are those dried silkworms or dried silkworm pupae? Serving suggestion sounds nice, maybe I should get me some of those. The cordycep clones are jumping onto the agar pretty well, I have 9 dishes going, ready to fill all those requests.
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Roger Fudd]
#9776942 - 02/11/09 05:32 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Roger Fudd said: The cordycep clones are jumping onto the agar pretty well, I have 9 dishes going, ready to fill all those requests.
Delightful.
I have got to get to the city and hit the markets with package pic in hand, to see if the Asian Community can (once again) provide.
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Roger Fudd]
#9777262 - 02/11/09 09:05 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Roger Fudd said: Are those dried silkworms or dried silkworm pupae? Serving suggestion sounds nice, maybe I should get me some of those. The cordycep clones are jumping onto the agar pretty well, I have 9 dishes going, ready to fill all those requests.
they look like pupae to me. Same as here:
Edited by Speeker (02/11/09 09:10 AM)
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Speeker]
#9779965 - 02/11/09 05:59 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yummmm...how do you get the cordyceps to fruit off the pupae? As far as I know, the cordyceps is species specific? Do you use subcutaneous injection?
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Roger Fudd]
#9781890 - 02/11/09 11:11 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hello, the tissue clones from the cordyceps are jumping onto the agar, but the spore stalks are doing the best, with aggressive growth, including aerial mycelium. I'm taking a time lapse, but I don't know if light adversely effects the mycelium. Oh well, since I'm only videotaping two plates. One is on a 50mm plastic petri, and the other is in a deli cup with cling wrap over it-my poorman's petri dish Look out for updates!
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Roger Fudd]
#9781937 - 02/11/09 11:18 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Roger Fudd said: Yummmm...how do you get the cordyceps to fruit off the pupae? As far as I know, the cordyceps is species specific? Do you use subcutaneous injection?
I would bet that it's the method of infection that is species specific, rather than the fruiting parameters, and cultures that come from a commercial source have probably been selected for (comparitively) easy fruiting.
Course I'm not a Chinese cordyceps farmer, so that's all just speculation.
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Servator]
#9781975 - 02/11/09 11:23 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ya, I see what you mean. Finally can visit the grow logs and pictures forum Also, does anyone here know why grod31 was banned, he approached my recently with an offer, and I just want to know if I'm getting myself into something that I would regret later...
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Roger Fudd]
#9782089 - 02/11/09 11:38 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't know.
I know he had some problems in the marketplace with people not receiving trades or receiving poor quality prints. He seemed genuine and I don't want to talk shit, but he pm'd me about a trade a while back, and I really got a bad vibe from him.
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Servator]
#9782145 - 02/11/09 11:48 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oh well, I'm giving em away for other cultures or for free so it doesn't matter. He seemed nice enough, and his other account has good feedback.
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Roger Fudd]
#9782254 - 02/12/09 12:02 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's very cool of you. You're making a hell of a start here at the Shroomery.
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Roger Fudd]
#9782390 - 02/12/09 12:26 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Roger Fudd said: Yummmm...how do you get the cordyceps to fruit off the pupae? As far as I know, the cordyceps is species specific? Do you use subcutaneous injection?
fruiting it should not be much of a problem. if you have good strain, that is. As one Japanese-Chinese company (which sells similar jars as yours) puts it, "it is much easier than grow flowers".**
injection is not needed, the mycelium will find its way inside the pupas.
edit: **there are strains that really fruit without much effort, but some changes in temperature, humidity, lightness, etc. may help with less superior strains. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/9430191
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Servator]
#9786508 - 02/12/09 06:13 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Servator said: That's very cool of you. You're making a hell of a start here at the Shroomery.
Thanks Servator! Speeker, thanks for the fruiting tips. I'll see what happens when I try to fruit them. Cordyceps might be too complicated for me though, and I might just use them to trade for other species. However, I will try to fruit it!
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Roger Fudd]
#9793682 - 02/14/09 01:46 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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everything else is quite easy to carry out but that 10C/50F difference in night and day temperatures (if it is needed) can be harder to achieve in indoors. last year i had some cultures outside from spring until winter but that didn't help either.
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Speeker]
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Speeker said: everything else is quite easy to carry out but that 10C/50F difference in night and day temperatures (if it is needed) can be harder to achieve ...
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10C ~= 20F
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Jonat]
#9808699 - 02/16/09 03:06 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm back! Cultures will start being sent out very soon! I wanted to ask all of you for what you think is the best mushroom species overall. So far I've got reishi, hen of the woods, hericium, and the elm oyster. Those of you that asked me earlier for a culture, PM me your address, and I'll send the agar out soon. If you want one, but haven't PMed me, I'll put you on my waiting list. Happy shrooming. P.S. I'd appreciate trade rating
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Roger Fudd]
#9811026 - 02/16/09 10:12 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think that hericium is the best overall.. it tastes good, is easy to cultivate and has even some interesting medicinal properties..
Jonat, i thought that you may want to remove your message but now you've corrected that 25F to 20F.. ?? ( F = 9/5 * C + 32 )
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Speeker]
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Yeah, I was thinking of the delta factor for centimeters to inches instead of C to F, then realized my goof.
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Jonat]
#9817363 - 02/17/09 10:09 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm sending out the cultures tomorrow or the day after, so PM me with addresses! Just to let you know what I used for agar, I used a 3% agar by weight and 6% powdered non-fat milk (for protein). The mycelium loves it. When watered down, the mycelium didn't like it half as much.
P.S. Remember to clean the mycelium via agar transfers!
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Roger Fudd]
#9825888 - 02/19/09 11:21 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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This is amazing! What a great find man, WOW
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: kandymews]
#9844941 - 02/22/09 04:02 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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Ok, all the cultures are out. Happy growing!
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Roger Fudd]
#9868449 - 02/26/09 09:42 AM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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Thanks!
So, have you tasted cordyceps tea yet? If not, here is a simple recipe for Cordyceps militaris tea (from www.chemlife.com.tw ): 1 - 3 grams dried cordyceps militaris 500 - 1000 cc/ml hot water steep for 2 - 5 minutes
drink, and remember to eat the fruitbodies too.
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Speeker]
#9870939 - 02/26/09 04:54 PM (15 years, 24 days ago) |
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Thanks, sounds nice
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Roger Fudd]
#9886910 - 02/28/09 09:00 PM (15 years, 22 days ago) |
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Hi all! I harvested the cordyceps today, and here's a look at the substrate that we've all been looking forward to. It is really hard, and reminds me of chopped nuts.
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Roger Fudd]
#9888187 - 03/01/09 01:58 AM (15 years, 22 days ago) |
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you may have crumble a bit more to find out the main substrate. maybe it's beans or something.. Nuts may need that warning on the label: Contains Nuts! And bugs are probably out of the question in the US..
here is picture of crumbled cordyceps cake (again from www.chemlife.com.tw)
the main ingredient seem to be rice here.
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Speeker]
#9888987 - 03/01/09 09:06 AM (15 years, 21 days ago) |
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Ya, that's pretty much what mine looks like. How do they fruit it off rice though? On that note, has anyone had success fruiting off RR's cricket agar? Or can the cordyceps fruit off any high protein substrate. Just checking. Thanks speeker
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Roger Fudd]
#9893337 - 03/01/09 09:47 PM (15 years, 21 days ago) |
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Check this out Four Mushrooms.
Troopin cordyceps (Cordyceps militaris )is also called north Chinese caterpillar fungus, north awe to in China. It belongs to Corcyceps, Clavicipitales, Pyrenomycetes, Ascomycotina, Troopin cordyceps and awe to that is widely known in China are both Corcyceps, because it's a typical breed in Cordyceps, its widely received by the scholars all over the world. The artificial cultivation of Troopin cordyceps has achieved success and a series of produces has been opened up. This will open a new route for nourishing food and functional food. In pace with development of science and technology, the cultivation and processing of Troopin cordyceps would have brilliant prospects.
As cultivating Troopin cordyceps, firstly inoculating spawn in medium to form a large number of conidiums. Secondly, choosing conidiums to make suspended spore liquid by aseptic water, then inoculate it at host, which means pupa. Protect the pupa until it become stiff. Then put the stiff pupa in simulated natural environment like wild Troopin cordyceps in it and culture it. The seed stand that grows from pupa will be exactly alike as from wild pupa.
The detailed method of operation follows:
1. Screening strain Rejuvenate Troopin cordyceps through live pupas to screen a spawn which sensitizer is strong and easy to form spores. 2. Making suspended spore liquid Inoculate the strain in medium and culture it at 20°C. When conidiums produce, choose a part of it to make suspended spore liquid by aseptic water. It will be used later. 3. Preparing hosts Disinfect with smoke after the silkworms go up a small bundle of straw to spin cocoons on. Cut open the cocoon and take the pupa a week later. Clean out the bad and sick pupas. Choose healthy pupas in growth phase. Or choose the five-years-old silkworms to be hosts which have not gone up a small bundle of straw to spin cocoons on. 4. Inoculation Sting into the pupa by an inoculation needle, which has dipped in spores suspended liquid. The rate of infection may be upon 95%. 5. Protecting the pupas which have been infected Spread out the pupas which have been infected in a big round shallow basket, protect the pupas to stiff at indoor temperature. 6. Breeding the fruit body Imitate natural environment of Troopin cordyceps. Culture the stiff pupas to form fruit body. The method is covering the stiff pupas with a coat of porous material such as bits of sponge, small piece of coal, etc. Breed the fruit body under circumstances of indoor temperature and 95% air humidity. 7. Directive breeding of fruit body The purpose of directive breeding of fruit body is to make the fruit body long and stiff. The method is stick the upward head of pupa into porous material such as sponge, breed it under the aforementioned conditions. 8. Collecting and preserving the strain of Troopin cordyceps Dig up the fruit body as it has been matured, clean it and disinfect its body with edible alcohol. Then dry it at 60°C. Seal up and store it at a cool, dark, and arid place.
Troopin cordyceps cultured in fore mentioned way, it needs 35-45 days from inoculation to mature period of the fruit body. It will harvest 50g-350g per square meter. According to examination, Cordyceps militaris artificial cultured has a great deal of awe to acid, awe to element, amino acid, trace element and alkaloid, etc. It can enrich the marrow, resist cancer, calm and diminish inflammation, stop blooding and reduce phlegm. It has a good curative effect to nephritis, hepatitis, asthma and neurasthenia.
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: didjin_d]
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Fantastic Find
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: makutzi]
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Roger Fudd]
#9901591 - 03/03/09 02:30 AM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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Roger Fudd said: Ya, that's pretty much what mine looks like. How do they fruit it off rice though? On that note, has anyone had success fruiting off RR's cricket agar? Or can the cordyceps fruit off any high protein substrate. Just checking. Thanks speeker
hmm.. I really suggest that you (all) read some of the materials that i've already mentioned. Or see the videos if you understand Chinese.
After five days I can tell that your strain too, as I expected, grows well on standard MYA (with some whole wheat flour). No contams present that I can see.
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Speeker]
#9905746 - 03/03/09 06:57 PM (15 years, 19 days ago) |
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Nice. Hope it works well for you. What happened to your sig?
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Roger Fudd]
#9907321 - 03/03/09 10:16 PM (15 years, 19 days ago) |
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bump for the best cordyceps thread in a long time.
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bawwwwww, I killed it.
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I have dried cordyceps sinesis. Is there anything I can do with dried cordyceps? Or is pretty hopeless?
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: ABC]
#9932851 - 03/08/09 10:36 AM (15 years, 14 days ago) |
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ABC said: I have dried cordyceps sinesis. Is there anything I can do with dried cordyceps? Or is pretty hopeless?
you can revive the dried tissue. it will show mycelium after a time and then it can be transfered to agar.
there are some threads about this procedure on this board. i will post them if i find them
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If it was commercially prepared C sinesis, they were required to autoclave it before shipping, thus you can't revive the tissue. RR
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Ah. Thanks, that makes sense. It was packaged from an Asian market, so it was probably autoclaved
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: ABC]
#9989005 - 03/17/09 02:25 PM (15 years, 5 days ago) |
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Do i have to add some kind of protein to my agar for cordycep, or do you think MEA will be alright?
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: dd12783]
#9989140 - 03/17/09 02:50 PM (15 years, 5 days ago) |
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This is what I could find via, commercial talk of cultivating it, although I don't think it'd hurt to give it a try so we'd know if you can buck the usual methodology.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/17134911.html
Ctrl+F and search Agar, when I tried to quote it, it was a mess.
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Im gonna try a bit and see what the turn out is, if all else fails ill make some agar with protein
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: dd12783]
#9990333 - 03/17/09 05:42 PM (15 years, 5 days ago) |
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If you have access to a pet store, they usually have live crickets. Use 20 live crickets and 20 grams of agar agar per liter of water. I just chop the crickets in a blender with the water and agar, and then sterilize. RR
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I just used reg light malt agar works great
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: poboy]
#9992172 - 03/17/09 10:30 PM (15 years, 5 days ago) |
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Does anybody have cheap source of agar? bulk lab supply maybe?
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Do you have a Chinese food store.That's were i get mine. Very cheep.Works great
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: poboy]
#9992566 - 03/18/09 12:01 AM (15 years, 5 days ago) |
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I got some colored sticks, but they weren't all that cheap really. I guess I should just stick with that, thanks.
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: poboy]
#9993451 - 03/18/09 05:35 AM (15 years, 5 days ago) |
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I'll second the asian market comment. A 25g package of agar agar powder for $1.19.
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: LokelYokel]
#9993505 - 03/18/09 06:10 AM (15 years, 5 days ago) |
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all the whole food markets around my house have agar in the asian section, if you have any of those around.The hardest part is to find the agar in the store
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: dd12783]
#9999322 - 03/19/09 05:12 AM (15 years, 4 days ago) |
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Agar is also called “Vegetarian Gelatin”.
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irishspaniard said: Does anybody have cheap source of agar? bulk lab supply maybe?
Nutrition stores like GNC often carry agar powder. The food grade stuff works just fine.
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Thanks guys, I've only been able to find those agar-agar bar things at a distant AZN grocery but I'll keep looking for other sources. You have given me hope.= D
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irishspaniard said: Does anybody have cheap source of agar? bulk lab supply maybe?
Nutrition stores like GNC often carry agar powder. The food grade stuff works just fine.
Thats weird,I have 2 good friends who work at separate GNC's and have never seen it a single time when I visit either of them at work in either store,what on earth section of the store is it in,I have been wanting to play with agar now that I'm playing with edibles but haven't felt like ordering it online and have NEVER seen it in person anywhere.If they have it there it will be so amazingly cheap,they get 30% off even stuff thats on sale,Ive seen them bring home things for nearly free when its marked down 80% off due to its expiration date and than they take the employee discount off of that.. Hell I will buy it,return it and have them take it home and give it back to me when they are supposed to throw returned supplements in the garbage
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Blutjager]
#10003267 - 03/19/09 06:43 PM (15 years, 3 days ago) |
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once you buy it once you will end up seeing it in every store you go to, thats what happened to me. what section of the us you from?
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: dd12783]
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dd12783 said: once you buy it once you will end up seeing it in every store you go to, thats what happened to me. what section of the us you from?
I live in the Midwest,its a fairly urban area,I know they always usually have it in Asian grocery stores but I don't have one near me.I just got off the phone with one of the girls who works there and she never heard of it and I left a voice mail for the other girl,hopefully she will have better news If all else fails I will just order some.You say you see it everywhere..Like where,I have looked in the "Ethnic" aisle at regular grocery stores and have not found it.Its probably better to just order it ready to use anyway is it not,seems easier that way because you don't have to add any nutrients to it.I remember seeing a thread here a long time ago someone posted about preparing it from scratch(This stuff wasn't even powered though ) and it looked amazingly complicated.
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Blutjager]
#10006093 - 03/20/09 03:55 AM (15 years, 3 days ago) |
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Go to amazon dot com and search for "agar powder". You can get it cheap.
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I am not all that sure what it should cost as I have not compared prices at all that many places since .. well to be honest its just that EVERY single time I have played with it.It grew every possible color(Including some that don't even have names)I am surprised I didn't invent a disease in my closet as a teenager .Anyway,I am going to give it a go again since with edibles I feel more "Legitimate" now because I don't feel like I have to be hiding everything like how I was always so sketchy when I had cubes around .Plus I'm MUCH better with being clean with things now than I was last time I tried.Anyway now that I'm done rambling I think I clicked on it last time I was at Mycosupply scoping out some things and it seemed to be a reasonable price to me
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: Blutjager]
#10018601 - 03/22/09 07:51 AM (15 years, 23 hours ago) |
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Does anyone have pic of cordycep on the cricket agar done around the 18th? I was interested in comparing the growth rate to my mea.
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Re: Cordyceps Mushroom [Re: dd12783]
#10085935 - 04/01/09 08:46 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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What price do fresh cordyceps sell for? I can't find any info on this.
edit: Nevermind. Seeker sent me the site, it's 6,000 korean won, or $4.39 per jar for C. militaris
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