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Offlinejohnnyfive
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Eminem and spirituality??
    #975485 - 10/19/02 10:11 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

What do you people think of this?

In one of eminems songs, the newest cd (the eminem show). In some of his lyrics track no#18 he says

"- millions of pac listenas/ your comin' with me feel it, or not your gonna fear it like i showed you the spirit of god lives in us"

:wink:


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: johnnyfive]
    #975650 - 10/19/02 11:37 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

He's also got a track or two about taking mushrooms.




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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: johnnyfive]
    #975759 - 10/20/02 12:29 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Chocolate or peanut?


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: johnnyfive]
    #976756 - 10/20/02 12:24 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

so what?


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: johnnyfive]
    #976804 - 10/20/02 12:54 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

When I saw the title of this thread, I couldn't wait to open it. Now I can't figure out what to say.



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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: johnnyfive]
    #977073 - 10/20/02 03:10 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

He also has songs about brutally beating and killing his (ex) wife, his mom...


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: Shroomism]
    #977221 - 10/20/02 04:04 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

In all honesty, I'd have to say eminem is definately planning something, or has an agenda.

His first CD was a bunch of rants and flames, as you'd call it on a message board, directed at many famous people, and his own family. Why? Out of hatred, but more importantly, probably to get attention.

Before you go and think he is some attention-craving lunatic, question WHY he wants attention. He wants people (in my opinion) to see his point of view, to adapt to his way of thinking. He wants them to become younger versions of him, which is why he targets younger adults.

His first CD started off with a bang, shock, wow, and who is this guy response. Second CD kept people wondering who he was, learning more about him, and him expanding his hate and opinions.

Third CD, with D-12 basically had the message to not open yourself up, to be who the hell you want to be, to supress women, and to take control of yourself and not let one person fuck with you, hold you down.

Now, suprisingly enough, the fourth CD talks about Government.

Does eminem have an agenda? you bet. What is it? Who knows, we'll just have to see.

My guess is he is the anti-christ, seriously. But that's another discussion.


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: tekramrepus]
    #977229 - 10/20/02 04:09 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

He's some eminem lyrics from his newest CD, the song "Square Dance"


"...the boogie monster of rap, yeah the man's back/ with a plan to ambush this bush administration / ??? / push this generation of kids to stand and fight / for the right to say something...."


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: tekramrepus]
    #977254 - 10/20/02 04:35 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

you think eminem is the anti-christ?? i had a vision of somebody in a higher power, not some whiteboy rapper :wink: :grin: 


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: tekramrepus]
    #977442 - 10/20/02 06:24 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

my guess is he's making a lot of $$$ and doesn't give a fuck. you have to get over the idea that pop stars have anything important to say, they only want your money and will come up with whatever crap they can to get it.


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: mr crisper]
    #977585 - 10/20/02 07:29 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I don't think eminem is the anti-christ, i REALLY believe that BUSH is the ANTI-CHRIST!!!!!

I love eminem's music, most people don't feel him, or don't understand him! i don't support the way talks about violence, or women.

Just as he says, "whats your see'in is a geinus at work, which to me isn't work, so its easy to misinterpreat at first"

I think his last cd is his BEST!!


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: johnnyfive]
    #977649 - 10/20/02 08:01 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

There is no Anti-Christ... it was a metaphor.

Goddammit am I tired of hearing that word...


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: johnnyfive]
    #977704 - 10/20/02 08:26 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I see no conection between the two. :grin:


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: johnnyfive]
    #977864 - 10/20/02 09:34 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Eminem lyrics from the Jay-Z song "Renegade"

In reply to:

See I'm a poet to some
A regular
Modern day Shakespeare
Jesus Christ the
King of these
Latter Day Saints here
To shatter the picture
In which of that
As they paint me
As a monger of hate and
Satan a scatter-brained atheist
But that ain't the case
See it's a matter of taste
We as a people decide
If Shady's as bad
As they say he is
Or is he the latter
A gateway to escape?
Media scapegoat
Who they can
Be mad at today
See it's easy as cake
Simple as whistlin' Dixie
While I'm wavin' the pistol
At sixty Christians against me
Go to war with the Mormons
Take a bath with the Catholics
In holy water
No wonder they try
To hold me under longer
I'm a motherf***in' spiteful
Delightful eyeful
The new Ice Cube
Motherf***ers hate to like you
What did I do?
(Huh?)
I'm just a kid
>From the gutter
Makin' this butter
Off these bloodsuckers
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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: Warped_Time]
    #978019 - 10/20/02 10:30 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

just my opinion, but..whether you love him or you hate him
eminem = genious in my mind.


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: ekomstop]
    #978726 - 10/21/02 04:53 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

as far as eminem being a lyrical genius, I won't dispute that, in fact I agree.

If only he could drop his ego, he'd be christ in my eyes. It's the ego that drives him though, and he feeds it too much.


But as a bigger picture, this could all be a money scheme. Either way 1) I downloaded all of his CDs from kazaa, and 2) He's very talented


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: tekramrepus]
    #978741 - 10/21/02 05:02 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Eminem in my opinion is a complete piece of garbage. Think about all the kids that are getting the messages that he coveys. Somebaody should just assassinate him.


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: postanaldrip]
    #979304 - 10/21/02 09:38 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

"Somebaody should just assassinate him"

yeah .... and why don't you just get the village to stone him. thats obviously a better message to teach children.

look .... he is garbage, remember he is a marketed and advertized artist, just like the boybands and pop divas he talks so much about on his CDs and interviews. he is a dope emcee but remember its dre who is producing the albums and leading his career. it was dre who decided came to out with a pop hip hop song "my name is" to capture a younger target audience (Line and Sinker) and then introduce eminem's darker music. lol ... i bet the album surprized the hell out of the parents. "oh he's such a good looking young man with funny songs .... OMG what is this, his mouth is more dirty then a negro's kids"

without dre eminem would be another nameless underground emcee doing local shows and working at wendys.

now a better emcee then eminem is Necro .... that would be a good battle.


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: Kemist]
    #979741 - 10/21/02 02:02 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

You know the old timers thought that way about 60's and 70's rock back then.

They probibily hated them like that too; its shock value, and some hate it, some love it!


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: Kemist]
    #979785 - 10/21/02 02:25 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I like his musical arrangements and also the lyrics tone and beat, i think he's very good but the message has no consistence and it's sometimes negativelly directed towards somes.
I can give you examples just like this, SlipKnot, Marilyn Manson and almost every black/death metal band. They all have nice musical arrangements but the message sucks.
At least me and Eminem have something in common, we both hate Moby....

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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: MAIA]
    #979851 - 10/21/02 02:53 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

If Eminem does have some sort of agenda, I sure hope it's one where he rips apart the economy so fierce that the people in positions of power are so thrown off, they stay stunned for years, government falters, all hell breaks loose, and all systems are forced to be rebuilt better than ever before.

Satan? I don't think so... Son of God? Laughably enough, I'd have to admit I feel it's a possibility....
He *IS* wearing all white when the rest of his 'crew' is wearing all black in that one video.. can't remember the name though...


Anyways... In my opinion, Eminem is the Einstein of today's music industry. If kids are taking his music the wrong way, then they probably aren't old enough to be listening to it in the first place, in which I think the blame falls onto the parents.

that's just my opinion


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: MAIA]
    #979853 - 10/21/02 02:53 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Actually... I think Manson has a positive message in many of his songs (haven't heard them all though).


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: Sclorch]
    #979889 - 10/21/02 03:13 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

how is he a genious

dre's the puppet master

dre's puppet master is the label

if theres any genious here its the old white guy smoking his cuban ... banging his secretary

the man dosn't do anything but gather 70% to 80% of eminem's profits ... thats genious


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: Kemist]
    #980058 - 10/21/02 04:30 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

how is he a genious? listen to his lyrics. i dont see how anyone who has truly listened to his words could disagree hes obviously alot more creative then the average person.

"Eminem in my opinion is a complete piece of garbage. Think about all the kids that are getting the messages that he coveys. Somebaody should just assassinate him. "

what? do you think 'kids' listening to nsync and britney spears is much better? your very ignorant. sure maybe 'some' kids shouldnt really listen to some of his music..but thats their parents problem. not yours, not mine, not his. "Somebody should just assassinate him" ... *sigh*
maybe you should try listening to the song 'stan'.. or any other of his songs for that matter.

i agree with nubious that eminem is the einstein of todays music industry. he is.


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: ekomstop]
    #980093 - 10/21/02 04:42 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

There are millions of alternatives to eminem, other than britney and nsync. i wouldn't start calling him ignorant...
if he can flow or not, he's an asshole, leading impressionable kids to hate their parents and get in fights and shit. ha, he shouldn't be killed tho. I have no problem with him making music, and STRIVING SO HARD for attention, thus money.. I just wish people had better insight into good music and good people. which eminem is neither.
it's a shame he's getting exactly what he wants. he pisses people off, he gets more attention, he gets more money. now if people would just ignore him, i'm sure he'd go insane and hopefully take dre with him.


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: ekomstop]
    #980129 - 10/21/02 04:54 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I think a better choice than Eminem would be Jurassic 5.
Talent with a message.
Also...
The Roots, Mos Def, there's a few others (I'm not so into hip hop/rap/whatever... so I'm rather ignorant in this area).


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    #980139 - 10/21/02 04:57 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

He'll be gone in a year or so... just like Limp Bisquick (thank god!).


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: nubious]
    #980245 - 10/21/02 05:43 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Everybody needs to stop giving this size 27 clown shoe attention. Its the reason his ego is the size of Montana. As for him being some sort of "lyrical genius" thats just a fucking joke. Any pissed off 20 year old can rhyme 4 letter words. His tone never chages. You want lyrical genius, pay close attention to Incubus and Tool.


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: Sclorch]
    #980251 - 10/21/02 05:46 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

He is a teen idol that will pass soon with time.


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: Sclorch]
    #980254 - 10/21/02 05:47 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

"The Roots, Mos Def, there's a few others (I'm not so into hip hop/rap/whatever... so I'm rather ignorant in this area). "

I wouldn't say you're ignorant in this area. 
Just knowing who Jurassic 5, The Roots and Mos Def are and what they're about shows you know more about hip hop than the average Jay-Z fan (where I'm from anyway....).
Hip hop is sadly misunderstood by most people thanks to MTV.

The first musical group was a rap group I guarantee it.  :laugh:

 


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: johnnyfive]
    #980317 - 10/21/02 06:21 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

if he was spiritual, he wouldnt be dissing moby... or anyone for that matter... and he would behave differently, imo...
also, he wouldnt have to play the "tough guy" every time he gives an interview or is in public... he would just be himself... and lose the ego... he is talented, admitted... but he could do more than what hes doing...


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: postanaldrip]
    #980332 - 10/21/02 06:29 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

In reply to:

You want lyrical genius, pay close attention to Incubus and Tool.




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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: dee_N_ae]
    #980336 - 10/21/02 06:35 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I wouldn't say you're ignorant in this area.
Well that's good to know.

Hip hop is sadly misunderstood by most people thanks to MTV.

This is one of the reasons why I'm not into hip hop. When it stops being popular, I can give it the proper attention... it's easier to find the treasure when the muck settles.


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: Sclorch]
    #980467 - 10/21/02 07:41 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

poor limp bizkit... their first CD showed some real potential.

all i gotta say about eminem is he seems very honest, which is a hell of alot more than i can say for alot of the shit out there...
i can kind of get into his groove sometimes, but yea... he's a slave to the $ like every other artist thats big.

i like to maybe think of him as a very angry 1st grade kid with some real hidden creative potential if only he'd chill out a little bit. but then again, even if he did or IS chilled out, then we'd never hear it on the records cuz thats not whats makin the $$$.

yea, then theres groups like Tool that captivate your spirit so greatly that of course your gonna go buy the CD... so that solves their problem.. theyre just living off the flow of what people like.. if they werent so popular, i guarantee theyd be doing the same thing anyways... some things are just a million times more valuable that cash.


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: Sclorch]
    #980470 - 10/21/02 07:43 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Hip hop is sadly misunderstood by most people thanks to MTV.

yeah but thats a good thing. tool is a very good band and have no help from MTV. i mean there is so much hip hop out there that IS good music its a shame the MTV generation groups them all together.

eminem lyrical genious .... PLEASE!

i have lived hip hop for the last 10 years and when i hear things like this it really does make me sad. i do believe in to each his own but to call him a genious .... please look a little deeper the your bestbuys, targets, and tower records for hip hop.

zion 1
the grouch
living legends
talib kweli
hi tek
mos def
the roots
krs one
nas
souls of mischief
hieroglyphics
slum village
scarub
saukrates
blueprint
pharoahe monch
people under the stairs
peanut butter wolf
necro
mystic journeyman
mr lif
mf doom
jedi mind tricks
gangstarr
eligh
de la soul
a tribe called quest
aceyalone
aseop rock
cannibol ox

.... and theres much more to add. if you want to listen to good music turn off the radio and dont listen to MTV!


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: Grav]
    #980474 - 10/21/02 07:44 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I hated Eminem since the beginning. Then I checked out his new CD. I loved it. It seems like a parody of all that rap stands for. Limp Bizkit, on the other hand, always has sucked and always will. PRIMUS FOREVER!


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: Anonymous]
    #980508 - 10/21/02 07:59 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

i liked three dollar bill alot
cool instrumentals
it flowed

i think everything else they ever made was fuckin lame.


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: Blastrid]
    #981309 - 10/22/02 12:17 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I just wish people had better insight into good music and good people. which eminem is neither.

I find it amusing that so many people are willing to offer their negative opinions on a matter with which they have no experience in the field to base there statement on. It's like how everyone is willing to enlighten you with how to make your money cover all your needs, and yet they themself admit to not having enough.

Bah. I don't have time for people like this.


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: nubious]
    #981493 - 10/22/02 01:20 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Oh come on!

In the bible jesus, says "nobody, will can point to christ(means quit looking for a long haired dude to float down from heaven), for the coming of christ will be found in YOU!" God in self, and the anti-christ is a man who DOESN'T want you to know that YOUR A GOD IN AMMENISA, sounds funny eh? No i don't think eminem is the son of god, but he's talking about God in self, and thats closer to the truth then say a christian?

Thats just my way of looking at it.

"- millions of pac listenas/ your comin' with me feel it, or not your gonna fear it like i showed you the spirit of god lives in us "

Eminem trying to bring shock value to it critical mass, religons created our taboos. Come on shroomery, i understand he's awful negative, and its disgusting the way he talks about women, BUT he believes in god inself, not god=external. I KNOW many of you guys believe that god inself right?


Oh course the best thing about the shroomery is were all are idealist of theory!

YES eminem has a plan. His plan is:

"A visionary, vision is scary, could start a revolution, pollutin the air waves a rebel"

TO START A REVOLUTION, something that been in dyer need FOR A LONG TIME. But were to comfortable, with our budwiser, and our football. All though i don't even think an american revolution would topple the New World Order, but anyways yes he does have a plan.

He's bonding the white and black races, cus in america racism has aways been an issue, but eminem is saying fuck that you can both agree on rap?

There truely is some deep philisophy (i can't spell :grin:), and spirtuallity to eminem.


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: johnnyfive]
    #982764 - 10/22/02 02:13 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

what do you think shroomery


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: johnnyfive]
    #982824 - 10/22/02 02:41 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

i agree. very well put.


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: ekomstop]
    #982879 - 10/22/02 03:01 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I hate rap. It is the crappiest music to date. As far as the second comming of the massiah OR anti-christ, Id have to say that David Blane is him. That guy is amazing. :shocked: 


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: nubious]
    #982981 - 10/22/02 03:24 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I find it amusing that so many people are willing to offer their negative opinions on a matter with which they have no experience in the field to base there statement on. It's like how everyone is willing to enlighten you with how to make your money cover all your needs, and yet they themself admit to not having enough.

I find it amusing that someone makes assumptions about others they know nothing about.
One can make a judgement when they DO have knowledge in the area, and being a musician and a music student, i feel i can do that. I can also make a judgement of the type of person he is by all the comments, interviews, song lyrics and whining and bitching he does. And since he sells millions of records, i can assume he has a large fanbase, which means a lot of people like bad music.
But, since you don't know me, you assumed.

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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: Blastrid]
    #984124 - 10/22/02 08:00 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I think the term "genius" is used far too liberaly today.
So you make a few good albums..."genius!" Yeh now sell those albums out the back of a truck with no help from the media hype machine..."Eminem who!"

You can trick people into thinking you can levitate! Ok, do it right here in front of my face, no you can't walk a few metres ahead and why should I only see you from this angle! "Who's David blane!"

The term genius today can mean any of the following:
rich
charasmatic
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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: johnnyfive]
    #984257 - 10/22/02 08:47 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Genius.....no
lucky whiteboy with a talent for rhyming words......absolutley
I used to love hiphop. I listened to it almost exclusively. Then it started to get very cookie cutter. I've heard enough about 20's (now up to 22's), Ice, Chains, Rolexes, bitches, Crystal and the likes. I wont listen to that shit anymore. I want the origionality and expression back that was a staple of early hiphop. I would say Rakim, but guess what he just signed with DRE too. Oh well. Eventually everyone will get tired of the Nelly's, the Ja Rule's, and the Jay Z's, and it will have to revert back to something that it was before.


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: MentalHygene]
    #984602 - 10/22/02 10:06 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Rap and hip hop in my opioin is just about as musically simplistic as it gets. I need something with a little more intricacy and soul. A few examples:


Metallica-Kirk Hammett inparticular
Infected mushroom
Santana
Tool
Any classical piano or symphony
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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: postanaldrip]
    #985127 - 10/23/02 12:36 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Rap and hip hop in my opioin is just about as musically simplistic as it gets.

Maybe pop-rap (the majority of the shite played on MTV) is simplistic.
Metallica? I thought they all died in a plane crash after the black album... and the record company put androids in their place. That would explain the haircuts and the Napster mess (think of this: would the Ride the Lightning Metallica really give a shit about Napster? ---> NOPE).


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: Sclorch]
    #985332 - 10/23/02 01:44 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

thank you Sclorch

man not all hip hop is the same .... punkrawk and hardcore are not the same right?

i posted a list on this thread with a whole new side of hip hop ... music that MTV wont play. why? because it doesn't fit in with how they present hip hop. whats thier hip hop ... comsumerism and sex. if you convince your target audience that looking fresh and blinb bling is the way to go hell you can sell those commercial slots very easy to your sponsers. next time you see direct effects or TRL look at the commercials!


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: Kemist]
    #985350 - 10/23/02 01:48 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

No shit, man.


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: Sclorch]
    #985405 - 10/23/02 02:06 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

it just gets me thinking ...

i'll drive almost anywhere in cali to see an underground show. i've been a hip hop DJ for since the 9th grade. some of the greatest moments in my life have been at a hip hop show. i once got the chance to see KRS One doing a show just for 20 people. then i read this:

Rap and hip hop in my opioin is just about as musically simplistic as it gets


just because a musical genre in produced/played in a new format doesn't make it anything less then music. then again i listen to hip hop for me and not to convince others ... sooooo

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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: Kemist]
    #985679 - 10/23/02 05:20 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I havent heard a rap or hip hop song worth a crap in a long time.  Im not trying to say that its "anything less than music" thanks for twisting my statement around by the way.    Its just that all I hear is violent and negative guys barking into a mic with a hoarse ass voice.  Most of it is the same , one catchy melody over exhausted throughout the song.  Jesus, most of them they dont even touch a musical instrument its all done electronically.  How much talent does it take to program a drum machine?  I personally like music that has unrepetative melodys and harmonizing.  I like voices that sound pleasant and have a range of more than one octave.  i like intelligent and positive lyrics and most of all I like to hear the mucical instrument being played.  There is a lot to be said for the musicians who have mastered their instruments enough to nail every note and all the timing throughout a six minute song.  I definantely dont want to stereotype all rap and hip hop because thats just wrong and I havent heard it all.  There are a few artists out there that i do like and think are very talented.  In no way am I trying to berate anyone elses opinions either.  To each their own. :wink:   
 


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: postanaldrip]
    #985911 - 10/23/02 09:23 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I havent heard a rap or hip hop song worth a crap in a long time. Im not trying to say that its "anything less than music" thanks for twisting my statement around by the way

oh im sorry ... i didnt know that you had to confirm that you thought hip hop was for shit, how did i twist it?

Its just that all I hear is violent and negative guys barking into a mic with a hoarse ass voice. Most of it is the same , one catchy melody over exhausted throughout the song. Jesus, most of them they dont even touch a musical instrument its all done electronically

have you been to an underground or at least a better of the commercial artists shows ... they always have a live band doing thier rythems. and i guess your talking about DMX or Ja rule, in no way do these guys represent hip hop. like i said if you want to listen to real hip hop please look elsewhere then MTV or cooperate radio. BTW metallica is as cooperate as you can get.

There is a lot to be said for the musicians who have mastered their instruments enough to nail every note and all the timing throughout a six minute song.

OK .... just because theres a different means of making music doesn't make it any less of music. have you ever worked with a drum machine, syths, keyboards, or even fruity loops. in no way is that shit easy. its the same process that a band would go through creating the song ... once you learn the song its not that hard to preform. how do i know this ... i use to play in a harcore band.

I definantely dont want to stereotype all rap and hip hop because thats just wrong and I havent heard it all

you just did.

There are a few artists out there that i do like and think are very talented. In no way am I trying to berate anyone elses opinions either. To each their own.

no ... there are many talented people that dont make it to radio or MTV. i mean most of them dont want to because its an art and selling out subjects thier art to the cooperate world of teeny boppers who have no attention span., wearing thier gap, atticus, and hurley whilst drinking thier starbucks mocha with the fresh scent of noxema on thier face.




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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: Kemist]
    #985977 - 10/23/02 09:58 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

here ... a list of hip hop for you to check out:

the grouch - wish you a good day
mos def - hip hop
de la soul - ego trippin'
gangstarr - you know my steez
blackalicious - make you feel that way


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: Blastrid]
    #986725 - 10/23/02 03:43 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

(edit)Hey Blastrid (sp?) (/edit)
I've acknowledged your response and re-directed it to none other than... YOUR MOM!

pfft.

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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: Kemist]
    #987533 - 10/23/02 09:09 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

"oh im sorry ... i didnt know that you had to confirm that you thought hip hop was for shit, how did i twist it?"

music is music regardless of what anybody thinks of it. NEVER did I say that rap is less than music or anything even close to that. I said that I do not like that specific genre, backed up by my reasoning, and that I though it was very simplistic. thats how you twisted it.

"BTW metallica is as cooperate as you can get."

Explain to me how metallica is coorperate or did you mean corporate. They are huge because they have like 50 good songs. to me thats successful. By the way have you ever listened to kirk hammett sols? If not i suggest checking some of the older stuff out.

"OK .... just because theres a different means of making music doesn't make it any less of music."

Once again youve put words in my mouth. I never said that because its made differently that it is less than music. I said thats its less enjoyable to ME because i think electronically created music lacks soul. As for the talent aspect, where does hand eye coordination come into play when using a drum machine? To me it seems like a lazy and easy way out of putting in the time it takes to practice and get good at a real set.

"you just did."

did i ever say that every single rap and hip hop song ever made was terrible? If I had than that would be stereotyping. I said that it has been a long time since ive heard a song that i liked. I even said that i liked a few artists, how is that stereotyping.

"no ... there are many talented people that dont make it to radio or MTV."

In response to my original statement, that just makes no sense at all. I never said that there werent many talented people out there. Nor did I say that they had to be talented to make it to MTV. to refresh your memory i said "There are a few artists out there that i do like and think are very talented" (meaning out of the artists ive heard), so what do you mean "no ..."?

I love how youve taken my opinion statements, totally misinterpreted them, and then turned it into an arguement. Everything I have said throughout this entire post is my opinion and is based on the material Ive HEARD. I havent judged any music that I havent listened to, and I havent specifically picked on anybody elses opinions. Quit taking it so personal, and stop putting words in my mouth.

Im done wasting time on this. I think ive proved my point.

Ill definantely listen to some of your suggestions with an unbiased point of view and let you know what I think.


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: Sclorch]
    #987544 - 10/23/02 09:14 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

In reply to:

think of this: would the Ride the Lightning Metallica really give a shit about Napster? ---> NOPE).




Nope.. and if Cliff had not departed the Loads would have never happened either.


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: Shroomism]
    #987790 - 10/23/02 10:48 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

postanaldrip thats why i hate forums in a way .. sometimes you dont get what the other person is getting at because were lacking facial expressions and tones. so yeah ... im tired of proving my point. peace, truce, ... if you ever come by fresno CA i'll show you some good hip hop. you came off as alot of people i know that refuse to except some good hip hop but go buck wild i dont like metallica. this is however not a good way to state one's points and opinions.

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    #987811 - 10/23/02 10:57 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Chocolate or peanut?


Mr_Mushrooms i didnt even get this till now. im retarded but i laughed for about 5 minutes. damn oysters!



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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: Kemist]
    #988181 - 10/24/02 01:05 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

A delayed laugh can be the best laugh of all. :wink:

The only thing better than that is the last one. 


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: Kemist]
    #988380 - 10/24/02 02:17 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I couldnt agree with you more.  Thats precisely why I only have 50 posts.  Sorry if I ever came across as harsh.    Thanks for youre suggestions too.  Im 100%open to any new music.  Ill get back to you and let you know if I like them.    By the way, have you ever heard of Infected Mushroom?  Peace :smile: 


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