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Offlinejohnnyfive
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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: johnnyfive]
    #982764 - 10/22/02 02:13 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

what do you think shroomery


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: johnnyfive]
    #982824 - 10/22/02 02:41 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

i agree. very well put.


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: ekomstop]
    #982879 - 10/22/02 03:01 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I hate rap. It is the crappiest music to date. As far as the second comming of the massiah OR anti-christ, Id have to say that David Blane is him. That guy is amazing. :shocked: 


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: nubious]
    #982981 - 10/22/02 03:24 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I find it amusing that so many people are willing to offer their negative opinions on a matter with which they have no experience in the field to base there statement on. It's like how everyone is willing to enlighten you with how to make your money cover all your needs, and yet they themself admit to not having enough.

I find it amusing that someone makes assumptions about others they know nothing about.
One can make a judgement when they DO have knowledge in the area, and being a musician and a music student, i feel i can do that. I can also make a judgement of the type of person he is by all the comments, interviews, song lyrics and whining and bitching he does. And since he sells millions of records, i can assume he has a large fanbase, which means a lot of people like bad music.
But, since you don't know me, you assumed.

Bah. I don't have time for people like this.


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: Blastrid]
    #984124 - 10/22/02 08:00 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I think the term "genius" is used far too liberaly today.
So you make a few good albums..."genius!" Yeh now sell those albums out the back of a truck with no help from the media hype machine..."Eminem who!"

You can trick people into thinking you can levitate! Ok, do it right here in front of my face, no you can't walk a few metres ahead and why should I only see you from this angle! "Who's David blane!"

The term genius today can mean any of the following:
rich
charasmatic
rich
obscene
rich
shrewd
rich
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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: johnnyfive]
    #984257 - 10/22/02 08:47 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Genius.....no
lucky whiteboy with a talent for rhyming words......absolutley
I used to love hiphop. I listened to it almost exclusively. Then it started to get very cookie cutter. I've heard enough about 20's (now up to 22's), Ice, Chains, Rolexes, bitches, Crystal and the likes. I wont listen to that shit anymore. I want the origionality and expression back that was a staple of early hiphop. I would say Rakim, but guess what he just signed with DRE too. Oh well. Eventually everyone will get tired of the Nelly's, the Ja Rule's, and the Jay Z's, and it will have to revert back to something that it was before.


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: MentalHygene]
    #984602 - 10/22/02 10:06 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Rap and hip hop in my opioin is just about as musically simplistic as it gets. I need something with a little more intricacy and soul. A few examples:


Metallica-Kirk Hammett inparticular
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Tool
Any classical piano or symphony
Incubus




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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: postanaldrip]
    #985127 - 10/23/02 12:36 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Rap and hip hop in my opioin is just about as musically simplistic as it gets.

Maybe pop-rap (the majority of the shite played on MTV) is simplistic.
Metallica? I thought they all died in a plane crash after the black album... and the record company put androids in their place. That would explain the haircuts and the Napster mess (think of this: would the Ride the Lightning Metallica really give a shit about Napster? ---> NOPE).


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: Sclorch]
    #985332 - 10/23/02 01:44 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

thank you Sclorch

man not all hip hop is the same .... punkrawk and hardcore are not the same right?

i posted a list on this thread with a whole new side of hip hop ... music that MTV wont play. why? because it doesn't fit in with how they present hip hop. whats thier hip hop ... comsumerism and sex. if you convince your target audience that looking fresh and blinb bling is the way to go hell you can sell those commercial slots very easy to your sponsers. next time you see direct effects or TRL look at the commercials!


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: Kemist]
    #985350 - 10/23/02 01:48 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

No shit, man.


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: Sclorch]
    #985405 - 10/23/02 02:06 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

it just gets me thinking ...

i'll drive almost anywhere in cali to see an underground show. i've been a hip hop DJ for since the 9th grade. some of the greatest moments in my life have been at a hip hop show. i once got the chance to see KRS One doing a show just for 20 people. then i read this:

Rap and hip hop in my opioin is just about as musically simplistic as it gets


just because a musical genre in produced/played in a new format doesn't make it anything less then music. then again i listen to hip hop for me and not to convince others ... sooooo

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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: Kemist]
    #985679 - 10/23/02 05:20 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I havent heard a rap or hip hop song worth a crap in a long time.  Im not trying to say that its "anything less than music" thanks for twisting my statement around by the way.    Its just that all I hear is violent and negative guys barking into a mic with a hoarse ass voice.  Most of it is the same , one catchy melody over exhausted throughout the song.  Jesus, most of them they dont even touch a musical instrument its all done electronically.  How much talent does it take to program a drum machine?  I personally like music that has unrepetative melodys and harmonizing.  I like voices that sound pleasant and have a range of more than one octave.  i like intelligent and positive lyrics and most of all I like to hear the mucical instrument being played.  There is a lot to be said for the musicians who have mastered their instruments enough to nail every note and all the timing throughout a six minute song.  I definantely dont want to stereotype all rap and hip hop because thats just wrong and I havent heard it all.  There are a few artists out there that i do like and think are very talented.  In no way am I trying to berate anyone elses opinions either.  To each their own. :wink:   
 


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: postanaldrip]
    #985911 - 10/23/02 09:23 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I havent heard a rap or hip hop song worth a crap in a long time. Im not trying to say that its "anything less than music" thanks for twisting my statement around by the way

oh im sorry ... i didnt know that you had to confirm that you thought hip hop was for shit, how did i twist it?

Its just that all I hear is violent and negative guys barking into a mic with a hoarse ass voice. Most of it is the same , one catchy melody over exhausted throughout the song. Jesus, most of them they dont even touch a musical instrument its all done electronically

have you been to an underground or at least a better of the commercial artists shows ... they always have a live band doing thier rythems. and i guess your talking about DMX or Ja rule, in no way do these guys represent hip hop. like i said if you want to listen to real hip hop please look elsewhere then MTV or cooperate radio. BTW metallica is as cooperate as you can get.

There is a lot to be said for the musicians who have mastered their instruments enough to nail every note and all the timing throughout a six minute song.

OK .... just because theres a different means of making music doesn't make it any less of music. have you ever worked with a drum machine, syths, keyboards, or even fruity loops. in no way is that shit easy. its the same process that a band would go through creating the song ... once you learn the song its not that hard to preform. how do i know this ... i use to play in a harcore band.

I definantely dont want to stereotype all rap and hip hop because thats just wrong and I havent heard it all

you just did.

There are a few artists out there that i do like and think are very talented. In no way am I trying to berate anyone elses opinions either. To each their own.

no ... there are many talented people that dont make it to radio or MTV. i mean most of them dont want to because its an art and selling out subjects thier art to the cooperate world of teeny boppers who have no attention span., wearing thier gap, atticus, and hurley whilst drinking thier starbucks mocha with the fresh scent of noxema on thier face.




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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: Kemist]
    #985977 - 10/23/02 09:58 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

here ... a list of hip hop for you to check out:

the grouch - wish you a good day
mos def - hip hop
de la soul - ego trippin'
gangstarr - you know my steez
blackalicious - make you feel that way


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: Blastrid]
    #986725 - 10/23/02 03:43 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

(edit)Hey Blastrid (sp?) (/edit)
I've acknowledged your response and re-directed it to none other than... YOUR MOM!

pfft.

good point.



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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: Kemist]
    #987533 - 10/23/02 09:09 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

"oh im sorry ... i didnt know that you had to confirm that you thought hip hop was for shit, how did i twist it?"

music is music regardless of what anybody thinks of it. NEVER did I say that rap is less than music or anything even close to that. I said that I do not like that specific genre, backed up by my reasoning, and that I though it was very simplistic. thats how you twisted it.

"BTW metallica is as cooperate as you can get."

Explain to me how metallica is coorperate or did you mean corporate. They are huge because they have like 50 good songs. to me thats successful. By the way have you ever listened to kirk hammett sols? If not i suggest checking some of the older stuff out.

"OK .... just because theres a different means of making music doesn't make it any less of music."

Once again youve put words in my mouth. I never said that because its made differently that it is less than music. I said thats its less enjoyable to ME because i think electronically created music lacks soul. As for the talent aspect, where does hand eye coordination come into play when using a drum machine? To me it seems like a lazy and easy way out of putting in the time it takes to practice and get good at a real set.

"you just did."

did i ever say that every single rap and hip hop song ever made was terrible? If I had than that would be stereotyping. I said that it has been a long time since ive heard a song that i liked. I even said that i liked a few artists, how is that stereotyping.

"no ... there are many talented people that dont make it to radio or MTV."

In response to my original statement, that just makes no sense at all. I never said that there werent many talented people out there. Nor did I say that they had to be talented to make it to MTV. to refresh your memory i said "There are a few artists out there that i do like and think are very talented" (meaning out of the artists ive heard), so what do you mean "no ..."?

I love how youve taken my opinion statements, totally misinterpreted them, and then turned it into an arguement. Everything I have said throughout this entire post is my opinion and is based on the material Ive HEARD. I havent judged any music that I havent listened to, and I havent specifically picked on anybody elses opinions. Quit taking it so personal, and stop putting words in my mouth.

Im done wasting time on this. I think ive proved my point.

Ill definantely listen to some of your suggestions with an unbiased point of view and let you know what I think.


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: Sclorch]
    #987544 - 10/23/02 09:14 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

In reply to:

think of this: would the Ride the Lightning Metallica really give a shit about Napster? ---> NOPE).




Nope.. and if Cliff had not departed the Loads would have never happened either.


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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: Shroomism]
    #987790 - 10/23/02 10:48 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

postanaldrip thats why i hate forums in a way .. sometimes you dont get what the other person is getting at because were lacking facial expressions and tones. so yeah ... im tired of proving my point. peace, truce, ... if you ever come by fresno CA i'll show you some good hip hop. you came off as alot of people i know that refuse to except some good hip hop but go buck wild i dont like metallica. this is however not a good way to state one's points and opinions.

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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: ]
    #987811 - 10/23/02 10:57 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Chocolate or peanut?


Mr_Mushrooms i didnt even get this till now. im retarded but i laughed for about 5 minutes. damn oysters!



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Re: Eminem and spirituality?? [Re: Kemist]
    #988181 - 10/24/02 01:05 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

A delayed laugh can be the best laugh of all. :wink:

The only thing better than that is the last one. 


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