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Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03
    #9754169 - 02/07/09 10:09 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I have only one question. Why was nothing said about this in 2003?



http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090207&content_id=3806844&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb
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NEW YORK -- Alex Rodriguez tested positive for two anabolic steroids during his 2003 American League MVP season with the Texas Rangers, four sources independently told Sports Illustrated in a report published Saturday.

Rodriguez's name appeared on a list of 104 players who tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs in Major League Baseball's 2003 survey testing, according to a report on SI.com. That testing was conducted as part of a joint agreement with the MLB Players Association to determine if MLB needed to impose random drug testing for the '04 season.

When approached by Sports Illustrated on Thursday at a gym in Miami, Rodriguez reportedly declined to discuss his 2003 test results.

"You'll have to talk to the union," Rodriguez said. When asked if there was an explanation for his positive test, he said, "I'm not saying anything."

While MLB's drug policy has expressly prohibited the use of steroids without a valid prescription since 1991, there were no penalties for a positive test in 2003. The list of the 104 players who tested positive remains under seal in California.

SI.com reported that two sources familiar with the evidence that the government has gathered in its investigation of steroid use in baseball and two other sources with knowledge of the testing results said that Rodriguez is one of the 104 players identified as having tested positive, in his case for testosterone and an anabolic steroid known by the brand name Primobolan.

The SI.com report also indicated, citing three Major League players, that Rodriguez was tipped by MLBPA chief operating officer Gene Orza in early September 2004 that he would be tested later that month. Rodriguez declined to respond to SI when asked about the warning Orza allegedly provided him.

When Orza was asked on Friday in the union's New York City office about the tipping allegations, he told SI, "I'm not interested in discussing this information with you."

John Hart -- the Texas Rangers' general manager during the 2003 season and now a senior advisor with the club -- appeared on the MLB Network on Saturday, saying that he was saddened by the report but not completely surprised.

"I think in the climate that we have today, you don't have much shock anymore," Hart said. "Obviously Alex probably is the best player in baseball. This has always been a special talent and the guy has been putting up Hall of Fame numbers since the day he showed up in the big leagues. It saddens me. I've been in the game for almost 40 years and it hurts a little bit, if in fact this is true."

Hart -- who served as Texas' GM from November 2001 through October 2005 -- said that he believes Rodriguez will be impacted by the SI report as the Yankees' Spring Training camp prepares to open next week.

"Alex is a great kid, he's got a conscience and loves the game of baseball," Hart said. "I think, if anything, Alex tries to be a pleaser in a lot of ways. Looking up at what he's done and his career, I think it's going to affect him. He has the ability at times to tune it out, but he's in a huge media market there in New York.

"It's going to be a huge story, Spring Training is right around the corner, and you know what's going to happen when you show up at camp. I think it's going to be a little bit of an issue."

The revelations concerning Rodriguez follow information that was obtained through Sen. George Mitchell's 20-month investigation into the use of performance-enhancing substances in Major League Baseball. In many ways, the SI report helps to validate the credibility of the Mitchell Report document.

At the time of the Report's December 2007 release, Mitchell advised that the document was not intended to name names, but to paint an accurate picture of the flaws that existed prior to 2004 in baseball's testing program. In subsequent actions, much of what was problematic has been addressed.

Page 24 of the Mitchell Report reads: "Concerns have been raised about the collection procedures used, including allegations that some players received advance notice of testing." The San Francisco Chronicle reported that Barry Bonds' former personal trainer, Greg Anderson, received notice that Bonds would be tested in late May or early June 2004. Bonds was tested on May 28 and June 4 of that season.

In compiling the Report, the Mitchell Commission investigated the allegations that players received advance notice of tests in 2004. Mitchell interviewed personnel from Comprehensive Drug Testing, Inc., the company responsible for sample collection under the Major League Baseball joint drug program, but representatives denied that they provided advance notice to Bonds or anyone else.

The MLBPA had agreed to begin anonymous survey testing in 2003, for the purposes of determining the scope of the steroids problem in baseball. No penalties would be carried, but more than 5 percent of big league players tested positive, triggering real steroids testing to begin in 2004.

In April 2004, federal agents seized records from two private firms involved in the 2003 survey testing -- Comprehensive Drug Testing, Inc. and Quest Diagnostics, Inc. Those warrants sought drug testing records and samples for 10 Major League players connected with the investigation into the Bay Area Laboratory Co-operative (BALCO).

The agents seized data that could determine the identities of 104 Major League players who tested positive during the 2003 "survey testing" -- tests which were intended to remain strictly confidential, with names known only to the lab that conducted them.

In response to the government's actions, MLB and the MLBPA cut a deal. MLB postponed testing of those 104 players until the union notified them that they had tested positive in 2003 and were vulnerable to federal search warrants.

According to the Mitchell Report, Mitchell wrote that between August and September 2004, MLB's executive vice president of labor relations Rob Manfred pressed Orza to notify the players as soon as possible so that they could be tested. By September 2004, all players had been informed.

But one player told Mitchell he received advance notice from Orza that the next round of testing would occur within two weeks. Mitchell could not reveal the player's identity, but confessed steroids dealer Kirk Radomski wrote this year that the player was David Segui.

The program required that each player be tested only once during the 2004 season, and Mitchell wrote that other players may have received similar notice. The Mitchell Commission looked into allegations of other players receiving advance notice, but was unable to include additional confirmation.

SI.com's report is not the first time that Rodriguez has been connected to allegations concerning MLB's drug policy. Each time, Rodriguez has unequivocally denied having used steroids, human growth hormone or any other performance-enhancing substance.

"I've never felt overmatched on the baseball field," Rodriguez told CBS' Katie Couric in December 2007, shortly after the Mitchell Report's release. "I've always been a very strong, dominant position. And I felt that if I did my work as I've done since I was a rookie back in Seattle, I didn't have a problem competing at any level. So, no, [I never was tempted]."

Asked in that "60 Minutes" interview if he witnessed steroid use or had suspicions, Rodriguez responded, "You hear a lot of things. I mean, I came up in 1993. And you heard whispers from the '80s and '90s. But I never saw anything. I never had raw evidence. And, quite frankly, I was probably a little bit too naïve when I first came up to understand the magnitude of all this."

Rodriguez's first comments of Spring Training 2008 raised eyebrows when he told reporters that he was tested "nine or 10 times" for performance-enhancing drugs in '07.

That throwaway remark sent enough red flags up that Rodriguez released a statement later that evening, clarifying that he had exaggerated the number of tests to prove a point and wasn't being specific.

Under current drug testing rules, players must be tested at least twice during the season. There are also provisions for random testing -- though it is unlikely Rodriguez would have undergone that many tests, unless he flunked a test for a stimulant. That would have subjected him to six additional unannounced tests over the following year.

A first positive test for a stimulant is not subject to discipline and is not announced. Rodriguez said then that he has never failed a test that would subject him to additional testing.

Jose Canseco's 2008 book, "Vindicated," also alleged that the former big league slugger introduced Rodriguez to a known steroids supplier identified only as "Max" in the late 1990s.

Canseco did not claim to have seen Rodriguez use performance-enhancing drugs, but wrote that he "did everything but inject the guy myself." His motives were clouded, however, when Canseco freely admitted that he "hates" Rodriguez and it was revealed Canseco and Rodriguez were at odds over a personal matter.

Rodriguez side-stepped questions on the subject in advance of the book's release, saying that it was "over, as far as I'm concerned," and declining further comment.

It has been yet another tumultuous period for Rodriguez, who is entering the second season of his new 10-year, $275 million contract with the Yankees -- one that could pay him more than $300 million if he becomes baseball's all-time home run king. Two sources familiar with Rodriguez's contract told SI.com that there is no language about steroids in the contract that would put Rodriguez at risk of losing money.

Last week, excerpts surfaced from Joe Torre's book "The Yankee Years," in which it is revealed Rodriguez was referred to as "A-Fraud" in the clubhouse during the 2004 season.




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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #9754597 - 02/07/09 11:57 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Because it would be awful for the game. Let me tell you how surprised I am :rolleyes:

What a lot of people don't get is that with gear, you don't have to be "on" all the time to have increases in muscle mass or strength. You will of course lose some when you come off (how much depends on a lot of different factors) but if done properly, even 1 or 2 cycles can radically change a person's body, pushing them well beyond the limits that they would have, or already did meet, naturally.

And again, all I can say is :shrug:

There will be more of this.


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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #9754704 - 02/07/09 12:24 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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matt said:
I have only one question. Why was nothing said about this in 2003?



http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2005-01-12-steroid-policy_x.htm
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Evolution of the steroid policy

2002

• Before 2002, Major League Baseball had no official policy on steroid use among players. As part of a collective bargaining agreement, players and owners agree to hold survey testing in 2003. If more than 5% of results from the anonymous tests are positive, formal testing and penalties will be put into place the next year.

2003

• Baseball announces after the season that 5% to 7% of test results were positive, triggering the new policy in 2004.

2004

• Each player is tested once a year in season. A first positive test results in treatment, followed by a 15-day suspension for a second positive and up to a year suspension for a fifth positive. The result is no player is suspended for steroid use.

2005

• Baseball agrees to a new policy. Banned substances include steroids, steroid precursors, designer steroids, masking agents and diuretics. There will be one unannounced mandatory test of each player during the season. In addition, there will be testing of randomly selected players, with no maximum number. And there will be random testing during the offseason. The penalties for a positive result are, first positive, 10 days; second, 30 days; third, 60 days; fourth, one year, and all without pay.



In 2003 the testing was done as part of a survey solely to determine the extent of use.  The union agreed only to anonymous testing for this purpose.  No names were attached to any samples.  But there was a major cock up in which somebody put numbers on the samples and then kept a list cross referencing the names with the numbers.  This was directly in violation of the agreement with the union.  Anonymity had been preserved for a few years until Nowitzki and his gang got a subpoena for those samples and the list in the course of his BALCO investigation.  However, that subpoena was supposed to be restricted to only certain players:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9902E6DC1E3FF935A35750C0A9629C8B63
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For their latest trick, the union lawyers have succeeded in persuading the United States attorney's office in San Francisco to winnow its request for results of baseball's steroids tests last year from all 1,438 players to fewer than 15, a lawyer who has seen the second subpoena said yesterday.

The new subpoena resulted from talks between the United States attorney's office in San Francisco and lawyers for the players union.

But the union may still fight the subpoena on the ground that it attempts to circumvent the players' Fourth Amendment (privacy) rights, no matter how few players are involved.

The lawyer who talked about the subpoena would not identify the players named in the new subpoena but confirmed names when they were mentioned to him: Barry Bonds, Jason Giambi, his brother Jeremy, Gary Sheffield, Benito Santiago, Armando Rios, Marvin Benard, Bobby Estalella and Randy Velarde.

The lawyer said the subpoena also named fewer than another handful of players, making the new list fewer than 15.

All of the players are believed to have testified under grants of immunity before the grand jury in its investigation of the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative, or Balco, of Burlingame, Calif.

All of the players except Sheffield play for or have played for the Giants or the Oakland Athletics.



Rodriguez didn't testify and has never played for either San Fran or Oakland.  So MY question is, since the 2003 tests were anonymous and Rodriguez was not included in the subpoena to break the code numbers, where is this story coming from?
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Last week, excerpts surfaced from Joe Torre's book "The Yankee Years," in which it is revealed Rodriguez was referred to as "A-Fraud" in the clubhouse during the 2004 season.







That's just gratuitous assholery throwing that in there.  This has been explained numerous times as a joke for the past boring week.  These reporters either know that or are incompetent.


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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9754746 - 02/07/09 12:36 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

A disturbing sentence from the SI report:
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The list of the 104 players whose urine samples tested positive is under seal in California. However, two sources familiar with the evidence that the government has gathered in its investigation of steroid use in baseball and two other sources with knowledge of the testing results have told Sports Illustrated that Rodriguez is one of the 104 players identified as having tested positive, in his case for testosterone and an anabolic steroid known by the brand name Primobolan. All four sources spoke on the condition of anonymity due to the sensitive nature of the evidence.



http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/02/07/alex-rodriguez-steroids/index.html#?eref=T1
Their names are not being withheld because the evidence is sensitive.  Their names are being withheld because they broke the law.  The same thing happened to Giambi.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/12/AR2007071201888.html
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Thursday, July 12, 2007; 7:54 PM

SAN FRANCISCO -- An attorney who admitted leaking the confidential grand jury testimony of Barry Bonds and other athletes was sentenced Thursday to two and a half years in prison, by far the harshest penalty to result from the government's steroids investigation.

Troy Ellerman, 44, pleaded guilty in February to allowing a San Francisco Chronicle reporter to view transcripts of testimony by Bonds, Jason Giambi, Gary Sheffield and other athletes embroiled in the probe. He initially blamed federal investigators for leaking the testimony.



Violating the sanctity of secret testimony is far more serious than using steroids to cheat at a game.


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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9754793 - 02/07/09 12:49 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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SAN FRANCISCO -- An attorney who admitted leaking the confidential grand jury testimony of Barry Bonds and other athletes was sentenced Thursday to two and a half years in prison, by far the harshest penalty to result from the government's steroids investigation.




:lol:

Amusing.  Certainly deserved, but amusing nonetheless.


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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #9754969 - 02/07/09 01:26 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

All things considered it is a far greater crime to subvert the justice system than to cheat at a game.


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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9755194 - 02/07/09 02:28 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

No argument whatsoever.


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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #9755214 - 02/07/09 02:37 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I agree 100%.


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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: whattheheck]
    #9756275 - 02/07/09 06:35 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I thought this, from Mr. Bryant of ESPN.com summed it up well

"The debate over the next few days undoubtedly will shift to the leak, to who spoke to Sports Illustrated and why. And why, if the anonymous source had access to the entire list, was Rodriguez the only person named? The legality of the leak should not be underestimated. Someone has compromised the confidentiality of an agreement. But these questions are important, although they aren't as important as this fact: The full scope of the steroids era is coming into even clearer focus.

Don't forget that the most important informant in American history -- W. Mark Felt, aka Deep Throat -- took down a president in part because he didn't receive the promotion he wanted. Nobody complained then, because the information he leaked was legitimate."


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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: whattheheck]
    #9756349 - 02/07/09 06:46 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Actually Felt was quite careful not to leak anything at all.  He just confirmed things Woodward and Bernstein got elsewhere.  Nobody complained then because nobody knew.  Once we found out the deal more than a few people thought Felt should have been prosecuted. 

If this moron thinks baseball players cheating is remotely important on the scale of a Presidential cover-up he needs to be severely beaten with a clue bat and get a brain transplant from a baboon.  What is far more important is the sanctity of the justice system.  Unless, of course, you are a professional rumor monger who is more than a little worried about being compelled to reveal your sources.  I believe the reporter Troy Ellerman revealed his information to spent some time in the slammer before Ellerman fessed up.  That kind of thing might make Mr Bryant's underwear a little heavy.


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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #9756557 - 02/07/09 07:33 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

The Roid-ball Saga continues!! :lol:


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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9756772 - 02/07/09 08:16 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I hear where you're coming from Zap, but it's all a mess, so personally, I'm just enjoying the rodeo.

Theses guys, who make a ton of money by being held up as our icons, lying their arses off when anybody with any experience with PED's can see that they are lying, deserve to be outed. I am NOT saying that the way that it went is correct, but I'm glad the truth is coming out.

And speaking of a load in their pants, I wonder how the other 103 players on that list feel?


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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: whattheheck]
    #9760186 - 02/08/09 12:56 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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whattheheck said:
I hear where you're coming from Zap, but it's all a mess, so personally, I'm just enjoying the rodeo.

Theses guys, who make a ton of money by being held up as our icons, lying their arses off when anybody with any experience with PED's can see that they are lying, deserve to be outed. I am NOT saying that the way that it went is correct, but I'm glad the truth is coming out.

And speaking of a load in their pants, I wonder how the other 103 players on that list feel?




Betrayed.  Or, rather, about to be.


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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9760475 - 02/08/09 01:56 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Well, I guess the old adage of, "there's nothing to worry about if you got nothing to hide" is especially true in this case.

Maybe they should also feel like cheaters and liars who got caught. :shrug:


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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: whattheheck]
    #9760652 - 02/08/09 02:31 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I believe in deals.  A deal is a deal is a deal.  I also believe in court orders, like the one that sealed this information.  I also believe a man has the right to face his accuser.  The people who revealed this information are either liars or criminals, maybe both.  Remember the Bonds sample from that year that tested negative?  Well after they seized it they retested it and it was positive.  That is just one test we know for a fact was wrong.  Can you guarantee that was the only one?  The feds had Bonds' sample retested because they didn't think that lab was competent.  These are just some of the many things wrong with this.


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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9761167 - 02/08/09 04:13 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I hear all of that, but man Zap, these guys juiced. It's that easy. I'm not judging them. Personally, I think the only way for the playing field to be level is to let everyone go at it.

I've been an A-Rod (and Mac, and Sammy and a lot of other guys who juiced) fan for a long time. I used to follow A-Rod on SSA on ESPN when he was in high school. One of the greatest talents to ever step on a diamond. I feel for these guys. You have people like Brett Boone and John Rocker (and even lesser talents) juiced out to the max, chasing you down, what are YOU going to do?

But still, a spade needs to be called a spade. These guys did this, and your desire to find any reason possible to do anything but admit the obvious (unless you really are that ignorant about weight training, supplementing, and PED's) is a little odd.

None of us are saints, I'm not judging them, but these guys' numbers need to be put into the correct light. I'm also interested in what the commissioner knew. I'd like to see him up on some charges if he was aware of this.

Either way, this is going to get REAL messy. :popcorn:


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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: whattheheck]
    #9761247 - 02/08/09 04:26 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Whatever Rodriguez was doing did not appear to alter his appearance as much as the cases of Sosa, McGwire and Bonds.  Nor did he have a sudden leap in production ala Palmiero and those 3.

Maybe he did and maybe he didn't.  The whole ongoing process strikes me as pretty horrendous, though, and I would like to see whoever made these accusations have to stand up and face the music for their law breaking.  Here is my suggested A-Rod press release:

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Mr Rodriguez has no intention of responding to these scurrilous rumors spread by nameless and faceless cowards.  He has no knowledge of the results of any of these tests but notes that we are well aware of at least one false result from this laboratory as a result of the Bonds case.  Further, at the very least, these cowards have broken US law, either by slander or by violating a court order.




Like I said, maybe he did, maybe he didn't but I think he should take a hard line and just not respond so that this kind of heinous behavior might one day stop.  Clemens at least had a named accuser to confront.


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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9761289 - 02/08/09 04:34 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I see where you're coming from with that, due process is important. And your press release brings up a question that I can't seem to find an answer to, and that is do players who flunked know they flunked? Did the commish know?

You could see a good jump in A-Rod's growth, but yeah, no where near Sosa. As far as Mac goes, the guy mashed 49 in 1987 and comes from a family of beasts. His look, in my mind, changed the least. And I would imagine a lot of his desire to use was rooted in the injuries, especially the feet issues he had in the early 90's.

Again, it's a lose/lose for everyone. Bonds and A-Rod were HOF from birth, but now, their reps are tainted. I don't blame them for using. I think the steroid laws in general are about as archaic as the ones we have for MJ. OF course that doesn't cross over into sports, but the vilification of these guys needs to end.

I just want the truth.


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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9761343 - 02/08/09 04:45 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Whatever Rodriguez was doing did not appear to alter his appearance as much as the cases of Sosa, McGwire and Bonds.  Nor did he have a sudden leap in production ala Palmiero and those 3.

Maybe he did and maybe he didn't.  The whole ongoing process strikes me as pretty horrendous, though, and I would like to see whoever made these accusations have to stand up and face the music for their law breaking.  Here is my suggested A-Rod press release:

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Mr Rodriguez has no intention of responding to these scurrilous rumors spread by nameless and faceless cowards.  He has no knowledge of the results of any of these tests but notes that we are well aware of at least one false result from this laboratory as a result of the Bonds case.  Further, at the very least, these cowards have broken US law, either by slander or by violating a court order.




Like I said, maybe he did, maybe he didn't but I think he should take a hard line and just not respond so that this kind of heinous behavior might one day stop.  Clemens at least had a named accuser to confront.




QFMFT.


I think it's bullshit that all of the major headlines are titled "A-Rod tested positive in 2003". They should read something like "It is rumored by faceless individuals that A-Rod tested positive in 2003".


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Re: Report: A-Rod tested positive in '03 [Re: whattheheck]
    #9761434 - 02/08/09 05:00 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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whattheheck said:
I see where you're coming from with that, due process is important. And your press release brings up a question that I can't seem to find an answer to, and that is do players who flunked know they flunked? Did the commish know?





I don't think they could have.  Nobody ever put the names together with the numbers until the feds got there.  Further, the feds subpoena was supposed to be restricted to only those players involved with BALCO.  Rodriguez had nothing to do with that.  Here's another aspect.  These tests were supposed to be for one purpose only, which was to take a survey of the general prevalence of steroid use and as such the accuracy of any one test was unimportant.  But when it becomes an issue of individual test results the accuracy is of paramount importance.  Just a hideous stench arising from this.


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